I didnrCOt think Buddhist monks cared about JFK. ...
marika posted:
I didnrCOt think Buddhist monks cared about JFK. ...
JFK and his policies
might have motivated people, polarized
various factions and whether a lone man
or a conspiracy was involved is curious.
During the war, napalm
was used to destroy the jungles and
a saying was how it clings to children.
The war was televised.
Burning one's body on television
drew attention to the situation and helped
influence public opinion. A recollection is
of more than one immolation at the time.
We had a television at the time.
It might not have been in living color.
My memory is a bit grey about that feature.
In terms of Taoist philosophy, to bomb
people and other beings is probably not
what would be deemed following Tao.
War tends to be not Tao, imo.
Peace is more of a Way two be.
Not to mention not-two being a
kind of a type of unification.
Today, wondering about lester-mosley,
he appears to have been a legend of sorts.
A usenet type if not archetype or stereotype.
- thanks! aye. Cheers!
Today, thus far, is good enough.
It's almost beer o'clock.
- thanks! Cheers!
marika posted:
aye wrote:
Today, wondering about lester-mosley,
he appears to have been a legend of sorts.
A usenet type if not archetype or stereotype.
Lester was a friend. He (or somebody for him) set up the group.
Ultimately, whoever set it up, really did it for me to stash posts. As far >> as his being a legend, I think that was just a bit of humor.
He is on vacation now. I am going to try and get him to start posting
again.
The Taoist group was set up in the 90s
by people who wanted to talk about Taoism
but kept getting flack in other groups.
Back in the daze, it was funny, I thought,
to read various flames, insults and words
pertaining to Taoist philosophy.
Sometimes when pondering the Way, or Ways,
a spark occurs to pen them here to capture
what can't be captured using words.
There is a zone, the Zone, at times known
as Flow, or by some other term for a spell.
Like when cooking with gas, metaphorically.
Going with the Flow.
Being in the Zone.
At times, life is good.
By contrast, not always.
Today, thus far, is good enough.
It's almost beer o'clock.
- thanks! Cheers!
In the distant past, I read a lot of stuff, including on Tao.
aye writes:
It's almost beer o'clock.
Enjoy your beer :-) .
marika posted:
In the distant past, I read a lot of stuff, including on Tao.
In the ever present, at times an awareness, of Tao.
A noun, a verb. Tao of creation and of re-
creational making of things, like magic.
Mix a batch of stuff, put in to an
oven of all things and bake.
Being half-baked is normal for me.
- thanks again! aye. Cheers!
aye <user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
marika posted:
I checked the archives to see when I last posted in apt prior to 2026.
2009. I was seemingly trying to apply tao to investment portfolios.
Someone got annoyed with me and told me to get some sunflower seeds and go feed the birds. Translation: go away, get out of here, you bug me,mkid.
Then someone started accusing me of being a wanderriver sock.
That is when the place lost interest for me
In the distant past, I read a lot of stuff, including on Tao.
Today, I had lunch with some friends. One of them recommended I start
reading a blog written by Terry Tao. Funny coincidence.
In the ever present, at times an awareness, of Tao.
And then I rewatched the movie rCLBeing ThererCY. Chance seems the epitome of Tao.n
A noun, a verb. Tao of creation and of re-
creational making of things, like magic.
Mix a batch of stuff, put in to an
oven of all things and bake.
Being half-baked is normal for me.
- thanks again! aye. Cheers!
I checked the archives to see when I last posted in apt prior to 2026.
2009. I was seemingly trying to apply tao to investment portfolios.
... wanderriver
... I rewatched the movie rCLBeing ThererCY.
marika wrote:
Today, I had lunch with some friends. One of them recommended I start reading a blog written by Terry Tao. Funny coincidence.
TT is fabulous.
His two videos on Cosmic Distance Ladder work for a civilian like me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdOXS_9_P4U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFMaT9oRbs4
marika posted:
I checked the archives to see when I last posted in apt prior to 2026.
What archives are you using?
After Deja News vanished, searching became
more of a chore for me if not impossible.
marika posted:
I checked the archives to see when I last posted in apt prior to 2026.
What archives are you using?
After Deja News vanished, searching became
more of a chore for me if not impossible.
2009. I was seemingly trying to apply tao to investment portfolios.
How that might work is beyond me.
If a technique worked once, or appeared to,
it might not on down the line over time.
... wanderriver
There's a vague recollection of wanderriver
stored somewhere in a bank of memory.
Can't recall the objection or problem
some people had with what was written.
Early on, some posters wanted Tao to be God.
For several people, that was a no-no.
At first, for me, what the problem was,
was beyond conception. Then, after learning
about how differences exist in various terms,
it made more sense. Semantics and contexts.
Even to equate Tao with the 10k-things
was shown to be not quite right, given
what appears in the texts.
... I rewatched the movie rCLBeing ThererCY.
Being unconscious,
a Mr. Magoo type and in the groove,
could be a trope used and yet, there is
a kind of knowing by characters in the Chuang-tzu
which suggests a different level of activity.
Maybe a difference is between being
a bumbling idiot and poetry in motion.
For both, a similar or same Tao could be.
One has no idea. The other made practice perfect.
- thanks!
On 14/06/2026 12:47, eye wrote:
marika posted:
I checked the archives to see when I last posted in apt prior to 2026.
What archives are you using?
After Deja News vanished, searching became
more of a chore for me if not impossible.
Deja News became Google Groups in Feb 2001 and then froze the archive
in Feb 2024. So, it still allows searching of the archive up to 2024.
Considering the 10's if not 100's of $bn Google is "investing" in AI
it seems a bit mean and, to an extent, self harming, to deny themselves
the fresh training data, all for saving a pittance of cloud and compute.
That said, economics probably wasn't the reason to diminish Usenet even further.
ps. Is there a local etiquette about leaving the rest of a postBTW who is Lester Mosley?
in situ after diving in to make a comment such as mine?
Asking for a friend...-a Well, my imaginary one.-a :)
ps. Is there a local etiquette about leaving the rest of a post
in situ after diving in to make a comment such as mine?
Asking for a friend... Well, my imaginary one. :)
marika posted:
I checked the archives to see when I last posted in apt prior to 2026.
What archives are you using?
After Deja News vanished, searching became
more of a chore for me if not impossible.
2009. I was seemingly trying to apply tao to investment portfolios.
How that might work is beyond me.
If a technique worked once, or appeared to,
it might not on down the line over time.
... wanderriver
There's a vague recollection of wanderriver
stored somewhere in a bank of memory.
Can't recall the objection or problem
some people had with what was written..
Early on, some posters wanted Tao to be God.
For several people, that was a no-no.
At first, for me, what the problem was,
was beyond conception. Then, after learning
about how differences exist in various terms,
it made more sense. Semantics and contexts.
Even to equate Tao with the 10k-things
was shown to be not quite right, given
what appears in the texts.
... I rewatched the movie rCLBeing ThererCY.
Being unconscious,
a Mr. Magoo type and in the groove,
Being unconscious,
a Mr. Magoo type and in the groove,
could be a trope used and yet, there is
a kind of knowing by characters in the Chuang-tzu
which suggests a different level of activity.
Maybe a difference is between being
a bumbling idiot and poetry in motion.
For both, a similar or same Tao could be.
One has no idea. The other made practice perfect.
- thanks!
eye <user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Snip,
On Being There
Being unconscious,
a Mr. Magoo type and in the groove,
could be a trope used and yet, there is
a kind of knowing by characters in the Chuang-tzu
which suggests a different level of activity.
Maybe a difference is between being
a bumbling idiot and poetry in motion.
For both, a similar or same Tao could be.
One has no idea. The other made practice perfect.
- thanks!
Initially, I would draw comparisons to Forrest Gump. I disliked that character and so disliked that film. I was left with the lesson that to be successful in America, all you need is to be in the right place at the
right time. I have met that moron, and sadly, he has been my boss more
than once.
I have never had a class in religion or philosophy. Everything I present
here is very amateurish.
By contrast, KosinskirCOs Chance is an allegorical character. The characters around him all sought meaning and answers and found answers that were
already available well within their own being. The second lesson was, of course, KosinskirCOs view of politics and gullibility. There was probably more.
The book and movie end very differently. The movie makes it clear Chance
is an avatar, rather than an actual human. IQ isnrCOt something that applies to him. Chance dresses very formally, in well tailored clothes. He is
never seen working in the garden in work clothes. Yet his garden is well kept.
All he ever talks about is gardening. Like a parrot, he repeats what he
sees on TV and sometimes what others say to him. But all he ever meaningfully talks about is gardening. When he talks about the seasons, it evokes Ecclesiastes. And other philosophies, perhaps?
There is a suggestion that ChancerCOs place is to give courage to those afraid of making decisions. He explains how the economy is just like gardening, subject to seasons. In some cases, he gives comfort to those facing death. He is sort of a grim reaper. Except, more like a benevolent reaper. He explains how death is a natural stage, just like the garden.
He advises that the place after death is a wonderful place? How would he know?
Then there is the garden itself, a symbol of awakening (Eden? E.g.,). Is it an accident that Shirley MacLainerCOs character is called Eve?
As I said, I donrCOt have enough learning to give a better analysis of what I felt seeing it again. But it did start me thinking.
Would be hilarious if god or a similar being watches the world this way, clicking away. Maybe that is why some prayers are missed.
Julian posted:
marika wrote:
Today, I had lunch with some friends. One of them recommended I start
reading a blog written by Terry Tao. Funny coincidence.
TT is fabulous.
His two videos on Cosmic Distance Ladder work for a civilian like me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdOXS_9_P4U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFMaT9oRbs4
Mathematics has often seamed magical.
In order to solve many problems, first
move everything over to one side of a sign
and set whatever that is, equal to nothing, zero.
Ideas of emptiness return.
How to be and what to do.
Nothing could be a key.
- thanks!
On 14/06/2026 12:47, eye wrote:
marika posted:
I checked the archives to see when I last posted in apt prior to 2026.
What archives are you using?
After Deja News vanished, searching became
more of a chore for me if not impossible.
Deja News became Google Groups in Feb 2001 and then froze the archive
in Feb 2024. So, it still allows searching of the archive up to 2024.
Considering the 10's if not 100's of $bn Google is "investing" in AI
it seems a bit mean and, to an extent, self harming, to deny themselves
the fresh training data, all for saving a pittance of cloud and compute.
That said, economics probably wasn't the reason to diminish Usenet even further.
On 14/06/2026 12:47, eye wrote:
marika posted:
I checked the archives to see when I last posted in apt prior to 2026.
What archives are you using?
After Deja News vanished, searching became
more of a chore for me if not impossible.
Deja News became Google Groups in Feb 2001 and then froze the archive
in Feb 2024. So, it still allows searching of the archive up to 2024.
Considering the 10's if not 100's of $bn Google is "investing" in AI
it seems a bit mean and, to an extent, self harming, to deny themselves
the fresh training data, all for saving a pittance of cloud and compute.
That said, economics probably wasn't the reason to diminish Usenet even further.
ps. Is there a local etiquette about leaving the rest of a post
in situ after diving in to make a comment such as mine?
Asking for a friend... Well, my imaginary one. :)
2009. I was seemingly trying to apply tao to investment portfolios.
How that might work is beyond me.
If a technique worked once, or appeared to,
it might not on down the line over time.
... wanderriver
There's a vague recollection of wanderriver
stored somewhere in a bank of memory.
Can't recall the objection or problem
some people had with what was written.
Early on, some posters wanted Tao to be God.
For several people, that was a no-no.
At first, for me, what the problem was,
was beyond conception. Then, after learning
about how differences exist in various terms,
it made more sense. Semantics and contexts.
Even to equate Tao with the 10k-things
was shown to be not quite right, given
what appears in the texts.
... I rewatched the movie rCLBeing ThererCY.
Being unconscious,
a Mr. Magoo type and in the groove,
could be a trope used and yet, there is
a kind of knowing by characters in the Chuang-tzu
which suggests a different level of activity.
Maybe a difference is between being
a bumbling idiot and poetry in motion.
For both, a similar or same Tao could be.
One has no idea. The other made practice perfect.
- thanks!
On 14/06/2026 14:25, Julian wrote:
On 14/06/2026 12:47, eye wrote:BTW who is Lester Mosley?
marika posted:
I checked the archives to see when I last posted in apt prior to 2026.
What archives are you using?
After Deja News vanished, searching became
more of a chore for me if not impossible.
Deja News became Google Groups in Feb 2001 and then froze the archive
in Feb 2024. So, it still allows searching of the archive up to 2024.
Considering the 10's if not 100's of $bn Google is "investing" in AI
it seems a bit mean and, to an extent, self harming, to deny themselves
the fresh training data, all for saving a pittance of cloud and compute.
That said, economics probably wasn't the reason to diminish Usenet even
further.
ps. Is there a local etiquette about leaving the rest of a post
in situ after diving in to make a comment such as mine?
Asking for a friend...-a Well, my imaginary one.-a :)
Julian posted:
ps. Is there a local etiquette about leaving the rest of a post
in situ after diving in to make a comment such as mine?
Asking for a friend... Well, my imaginary one. :)
It's okay with me, basically, how people post.
At present a laptop is being used and it's easy
enough to traverse messages to a point.
Scrolling beyond a response to find nothing new
is nothing new. Some posters top-post.
I recall people adding
[nothing new beyond this]
to signify what else was and was not.
Another indicator could be a signature.
Checking with a bot, a term used is bloat.
If someone is using a phone to read content,
their experience might be a different form
and various formats could make a difference.
In terms of local etiquette/netiquette,
there aren't many active posters in a.p.t.
Most of what shows up are cross-posts.
I don't know about lester-mosely
nor the rec.cooking group.
- Cheers!
eye <user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Julian posted:
ps. Is there a local etiquette about leaving the rest of a post
in situ after diving in to make a comment such as mine?
Asking for a friend... Well, my imaginary one. :)
It's okay with me, basically, how people post.
At present a laptop is being used and it's easy
enough to traverse messages to a point.
Scrolling beyond a response to find nothing new
is nothing new. Some posters top-post.
I recall people adding
[nothing new beyond this]
to signify what else was and was not.
Another indicator could be a signature.
Checking with a bot, a term used is bloat.
If someone is using a phone to read content,
their experience might be a different form
and various formats could make a difference.
In terms of local etiquette/netiquette,
there aren't many active posters in a.p.t.
Most of what shows up are cross-posts.
I don't know about lester-mosely
nor the rec.cooking group.
- Cheers!
The only thing I know about the cooking group is they are almost always engaged in some sort of flame war. Downloading their group and then wading thru it takes more effort than I want. Their flame wars are more
voluminous than those found in the politics groups, where you expect flame wars.
I read it infrequently.
I should add here that the lester group has essentially turned into my journal. Lester has been busy with school, work, girlfriend and travel.
When he returns from his last vacation, I will try to get him to post
again, especially now that services like newsgrouper provide free access.
marika posted:
Would be hilarious if god or a similar being watches the world this way,
clicking away. Maybe that is why some prayers are missed.
Thanks for the posts.
I didn't know what arbitrage was.
Had heard of the word but not a definition.
Deities are curious characters in the Chuang-tzu.
There's a lord, duke or chief, River Earl who
is proud of being great during autumn floods
until entering the sea and meeting Jo who
is the god of the North Ocean.
Jo tells Earl how things are with he
being not as great compared to Earth
and the vast emptiness beyond.
Perspectives flip-flop.
Prayers and other paranormal or supernatural phenomena
appear to be consistently inconsistent in my experience
and actually can't be relied upon as much as wished for.
At times there seams to be, obviously, a mysterious Way
with synchronicities and even a total solar eclipse which
is totally amazing suggesting there is something happening.
Something beyond conception, naturally or supernaturally.
With a dao, there could be with and without design,
planning, intent and such including mundane and profound.
A unity of dualities occurs frequently in a stream of
consciousness or a train of thought processes.
Daoist philosophy might lean toward spontaneity, without
thinking nor minding the store as a way. Gnarly is the tree
which being good for nothing lives long and prospers.
Ways work until they don't.
The honkless goose got cooked for dinner
because it wasn't of any use to the farmer.
Zhuangzi laughed.
The fish are happy.
- thanks again! aye. Cheers!
aye <user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
marika posted:
Would be hilarious if god or a similar being watches the world this way, >>> clicking away. Maybe that is why some prayers are missed.
Thanks for the posts.
I didn't know what arbitrage was.
Had heard of the word but not a definition.
Deities are curious characters in the Chuang-tzu.
There's a lord, duke or chief, River Earl who
is proud of being great during autumn floods
until entering the sea and meeting Jo who
is the god of the North Ocean.
Jo tells Earl how things are with he
being not as great compared to Earth
and the vast emptiness beyond.
Perspectives flip-flop.
Prayers and other paranormal or supernatural phenomena
appear to be consistently inconsistent in my experience
and actually can't be relied upon as much as wished for.
At times there seams to be, obviously, a mysterious Way
with synchronicities and even a total solar eclipse which
is totally amazing suggesting there is something happening.
Something beyond conception, naturally or supernaturally.
With a dao, there could be with and without design,
planning, intent and such including mundane and profound.
A unity of dualities occurs frequently in a stream of
consciousness or a train of thought processes.
Daoist philosophy might lean toward spontaneity, without
thinking nor minding the store as a way. Gnarly is the tree
which being good for nothing lives long and prospers.
Ways work until they don't.
The honkless goose got cooked for dinner
because it wasn't of any use to the farmer.
Why is the honking useful for the farmer?
Or was the goose useless for some other reason?
aye <user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
marika posted:
Would be hilarious if god or a similar being watches the world this way, >>> clicking away. Maybe that is why some prayers are missed.
Thanks for the posts.
I didn't know what arbitrage was.
Had heard of the word but not a definition.
Deities are curious characters in the Chuang-tzu.
There's a lord, duke or chief, River Earl who
is proud of being great during autumn floods
until entering the sea and meeting Jo who
is the god of the North Ocean.
Jo tells Earl how things are with he
being not as great compared to Earth
and the vast emptiness beyond.
Perspectives flip-flop.
Prayers and other paranormal or supernatural phenomena
appear to be consistently inconsistent in my experience
and actually can't be relied upon as much as wished for.
At times there seams to be, obviously, a mysterious Way
with synchronicities and even a total solar eclipse which
is totally amazing suggesting there is something happening.
Something beyond conception, naturally or supernaturally.
With a dao, there could be with and without design,
planning, intent and such including mundane and profound.
A unity of dualities occurs frequently in a stream of
consciousness or a train of thought processes.
Daoist philosophy might lean toward spontaneity, without
thinking nor minding the store as a way. Gnarly is the tree
which being good for nothing lives long and prospers.
Ways work until they don't.
The honkless goose got cooked for dinner
because it wasn't of any use to the farmer.
Why is the honking useful for the farmer?
Or was the goose useless for some other reason?
On 17/06/2026 17:18, marika wrote:
eye <user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Julian posted:
ps. Is there a local etiquette about leaving the rest of a post
in situ after diving in to make a comment such as mine?
Asking for a friend... Well, my imaginary one. :)
It's okay with me, basically, how people post.
At present a laptop is being used and it's easy
enough to traverse messages to a point.
Scrolling beyond a response to find nothing new
is nothing new. Some posters top-post.
I recall people adding
[nothing new beyond this]
to signify what else was and was not.
Another indicator could be a signature.
Checking with a bot, a term used is bloat.
If someone is using a phone to read content,
their experience might be a different form
and various formats could make a difference.
In terms of local etiquette/netiquette,
there aren't many active posters in a.p.t.
Most of what shows up are cross-posts.
I don't know about lester-mosely
nor the rec.cooking group.
- Cheers!
The only thing I know about the cooking group is they are almost always
engaged in some sort of flame war. Downloading their group and then wading >> thru it takes more effort than I want. Their flame wars are more
voluminous than those found in the politics groups, where you expect flame >> wars.
I read it infrequently.
I should add here that the lester group has essentially turned into my
journal. Lester has been busy with school, work, girlfriend and travel.
When he returns from his last vacation, I will try to get him to post
again, especially now that services like newsgrouper provide free access.
I can't find alt.usenet.legends.lester-mosley on my ES server.
On 17/06/2026 17:22, marika wrote:
aye <user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
marika posted:
Would be hilarious if god or a similar being watches the world this way, >>>> clicking away. Maybe that is why some prayers are missed.
Thanks for the posts.
I didn't know what arbitrage was.
Had heard of the word but not a definition.
Deities are curious characters in the Chuang-tzu.
There's a lord, duke or chief, River Earl who
is proud of being great during autumn floods
until entering the sea and meeting Jo who
is the god of the North Ocean.
Jo tells Earl how things are with he
being not as great compared to Earth
and the vast emptiness beyond.
Perspectives flip-flop.
Prayers and other paranormal or supernatural phenomena
appear to be consistently inconsistent in my experience
and actually can't be relied upon as much as wished for.
At times there seams to be, obviously, a mysterious Way
with synchronicities and even a total solar eclipse which
is totally amazing suggesting there is something happening.
Something beyond conception, naturally or supernaturally.
With a dao, there could be with and without design,
planning, intent and such including mundane and profound.
A unity of dualities occurs frequently in a stream of
consciousness or a train of thought processes.
Daoist philosophy might lean toward spontaneity, without
thinking nor minding the store as a way. Gnarly is the tree
which being good for nothing lives long and prospers.
Ways work until they don't.
The honkless goose got cooked for dinner
because it wasn't of any use to the farmer.
Why is the honking useful for the farmer?
Or was the goose useless for some other reason?
"For a farmer, the honking of geese is incredibly useful because it acts
as a highly effective, natural alarm system. Geese have excellent
hearing, keen eyesight, and strong territorial instincts. When they spot strangers or sense unusual activity on the farm, they erupt into loud, piercing honks."
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