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David posted:

jojo wrote

why do you say instigate? because of cosmic inertia?

Well, I am attempting to start a global new age,

Instigate, as a word, tends to have a connotation
that is less positive than start or initiate.

Names name, may say DDJ 1.2.a.
Ming ke ming, in other words.

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On Mar 19, 2026, aye wrote
(in article <1773956162-8028@newsgrouper.org>):

David posted:

jojo wrote

why do you say instigate? because of cosmic inertia?

Well, I am attempting to start a global new age,

Instigate, as a word, tends to have a connotation
that is less positive than start or initiate.

Names name, may say DDJ 1.2.a.
Ming ke ming, in other words.

- thanks! Cheers!

True, perhaps I should have said initiate.
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David posted:

David posted:

... by flapping my higher dimensional butterfly wings

Maybe I should say moth wings, since I am pretty nocturnal,
and since I got some significant signs from giant moths
in the summer of 1995.

As a metaphor, chaos theory can be
among the Ways that work to a point.

Connecting dots,
to see how a sensitive initial condition
may or might not influence a phenomenon is possible.

A mystic has a hurricane experience.

Within that experience paranormal events
take place and, with a shred of ego, an identity,
he or she thinks a doing was done naturally.

Being, involved, a so-called, individual, exists.

As involution turns to evolution, a mystic knows
how what was, is not the entire story. There is more.
Much more. A realization can be how powerful a potential is.

If only that potential is able to be, initiated.

Initiates into the higher levels of esoteric lore,
alchemical means, transform. Transformations occur.

A winged being flaps.
A mystic has an experience.

Between Zhuangzi and the butterfly
an unknown was known to a point.

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aye posted:

David posted:

David posted:

... by flapping my higher dimensional butterfly wings

Maybe I should say moth wings, ...

A winged being flaps.
A mystic has an experience.

Between Zhuangzi and the butterfly
an unknown was known to a point.

Once upon a time, a man thought he was
really some kind of a being, a messiah.

He'd had an experience and, as it went, he
was driven into the wilderness for forty days
and forty nights, which is a long time.

He fasted yet was not hungry.
He dehydrated without thirst.

Then, he was shown many potentials.

A deity told him he could change stones
into bread, or that he could fly, or be a
king of the world. All of which he declined.

He began to teach instead.
Followers began to follow and
thought he was divine or a god.

Eventually, when his role was about to end,
he wished all of his followers were able
to realize how they are divine as well.

Buddhists have a greeting for that.

- namaste
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one posted:

aye posted:

David posted:

David posted:

... by flapping my higher dimensional butterfly wings

Maybe I should say moth wings, ...

A winged being flaps.
A mystic has an experience.

Between Zhuangzi and the butterfly
an unknown was known to a point.

Once upon a time, a man thought he was
really some kind of a being, a messiah.

Buddhists have a greeting for that.

- namaste

In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna tells a tale.
Arjuna didn't want to kill his cousins, naturally.

Krishna tries to explain to the driver of the chariot,
Arjuna, how not to worry. It's all a great dream drama.

Metaphors vary.

A fun feature of David, as a soul who found a Way a round
town and other places to be and not to be, is his quest.

To square the root of a click.
A chakra perhaps, near the base,
of a right triangle given an altitude.

Energy travels along a spinal chord making
a sound heard by ancient mystics long ago.

Aum is used, similar to Dao.
The notes may be viewed.

At times, they are a foot.
At times they are at the end.

Of a chapter or a book.

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eye posted:

one posted:

aye posted:

David posted:

David posted:

... higher dimensional butterfly wings

... moth wings, ...

A winged being flaps.
A mystic has an experience.

Between Zhuangzi and the butterfly
an unknown was known to a point.

Zz wasn't sure if he was the butterfly
dreaming about being Zhuangzi or if he were
Zhuangzi dreaming about being the butterfly.

One is reminded of how a deity could be
dreaming of being all things at times.

Some people with minds don't mind
if the word, Mind, is used to describe.

At other times a dreamer might be dreaming
of being a universe of all things including
yet not limited to being a deity.

To hallucinate or to realize.
What a phenomenon is called
could make a difference.

Once upon a time, a man thought he was
really some kind of a being, a messiah.

Lots of people are attracted to figures
who are able to project authority. Speaking
as if they know beyond any doubt what is
going on at various levels.

Convinced by a dream they are involved
with dreaming they are and are not.

Some are called, delusional.
Others are called, inspired.

- namaste

To think there is an other,
to salute and say, I see you,
I see the divine within and
there is of course, the walrus.

... It's all a great dream drama.

Once upon a time, the walrus was Paul.
Paul wasn't Jesus nor was Jesus the Father
like Odin was being All naturally.

Metaphors vary.

While a butterfly or a moth flapping wings
could be traced to being involved thousands
of miles across an ocean, a notion mite may
go surfing on a board when the surf is up.

Aum is used ...

A wave of an ocean
is a notion of a wave.

The surfing mite, the board, the water,
to think there are three or more things
can be quite a thought found in a train.

Between duality, unity and non-duality
in a stream of consciousness evaporating.

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David posted:

David posted:

... higher dimensional butterfly wings

... moth wings, ...

A hurricane occurs and thinks
it caused the moth wings to flap.

The moth wasn't thinking about any particular
event which might be involved in the future.
It was simply flying a round for a spell.

Long ago it heard of Zen
and the sound of a hurricane
without ears.

The hurricane had an eye, of course.
Some say it's where the Dao is found.

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aye posted:

The moth wasn't thinking about any particular
event which might be involved in the future.
It was simply flying a round for a spell.

Long ago it heard of Zen
and the sound of a hurricane
without ears.

The hurricane had an eye, of course.
Some say it's where the Dao is found.

Of all the saviors recorded, how many actually initiated
or instigated a new world order could be a question. And,
if any did, was it an intentional new beginning.

Now-a-daze, many people reckon time by the birth
of a body and there is a before and after that year.
Some call it the Common Era. Chang is able to mean, common.

Ways that are ways may be common ways.
In the future, perhaps time will be computed
from Before David and After David, the Moth.

Krishna might not have changed the world
by his incarnation with Arjuna. Perhaps few
saw their own selves as being Atman/Brahman.
Most remained stuck on the Wheel of Eighty-four.

Siddhartha may have helped with his no permanent self.
Maybe to balance the scales over people's eyes, he did.
Whether his Four Noble Truths started a new order as it
spread across geographical areas could be a world-view.

Lao Tzu was simply tired of war.
Chuang Tzu laughed.

Fei-chang, uncommon, unusual may be the Dao.
The dao that is the Dao of Daojia. As a form of Wu,
as if Wu had a form, perhaps it is always, chang wu ming.
As an activity, being inactive, it's said to be chang wu wei.

David may sit and wait for mud to settle.
Then, with a click or a shift, he divines.
Being divine at the same time as all are,
to change the Great Dream Drama is his dao.

Bullwinkle Moose takes the stage.

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