• Re: Dark moon once again

    From aye@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Thu Mar 19 21:36:02 2026
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    David posted:
    jojo wrote

    why do you say instigate? because of cosmic inertia?

    Well, I am attempting to start a global new age,

    Instigate, as a word, tends to have a connotation
    that is less positive than start or initiate.

    Names name, may say DDJ 1.2.a.
    Ming ke ming, in other words.

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  • From David Dalton@dalton@nfld.com to alt.philosophy.taoism on Thu Mar 19 20:39:48 2026
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    On Mar 19, 2026, aye wrote
    (in article <1773956162-8028@newsgrouper.org>):


    David posted:
    jojo wrote

    why do you say instigate? because of cosmic inertia?

    Well, I am attempting to start a global new age,

    Instigate, as a word, tends to have a connotation
    that is less positive than start or initiate.

    Names name, may say DDJ 1.2.a.
    Ming ke ming, in other words.

    - thanks! Cheers!

    True, perhaps I should have said initiate.
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  • From aye@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Fri Mar 20 12:55:33 2026
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    David posted:
    David posted:

    ... by flapping my higher dimensional butterfly wings

    Maybe I should say moth wings, since I am pretty nocturnal,
    and since I got some significant signs from giant moths
    in the summer of 1995.

    As a metaphor, chaos theory can be
    among the Ways that work to a point.

    Connecting dots,
    to see how a sensitive initial condition
    may or might not influence a phenomenon is possible.

    A mystic has a hurricane experience.

    Within that experience paranormal events
    take place and, with a shred of ego, an identity,
    he or she thinks a doing was done naturally.

    Being, involved, a so-called, individual, exists.

    As involution turns to evolution, a mystic knows
    how what was, is not the entire story. There is more.
    Much more. A realization can be how powerful a potential is.

    If only that potential is able to be, initiated.

    Initiates into the higher levels of esoteric lore,
    alchemical means, transform. Transformations occur.

    A winged being flaps.
    A mystic has an experience.

    Between Zhuangzi and the butterfly
    an unknown was known to a point.

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  • From one@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Fri Mar 20 13:02:29 2026
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    aye posted:
    David posted:
    David posted:

    ... by flapping my higher dimensional butterfly wings

    Maybe I should say moth wings, ...

    A winged being flaps.
    A mystic has an experience.

    Between Zhuangzi and the butterfly
    an unknown was known to a point.

    Once upon a time, a man thought he was
    really some kind of a being, a messiah.

    He'd had an experience and, as it went, he
    was driven into the wilderness for forty days
    and forty nights, which is a long time.

    He fasted yet was not hungry.
    He dehydrated without thirst.

    Then, he was shown many potentials.

    A deity told him he could change stones
    into bread, or that he could fly, or be a
    king of the world. All of which he declined.

    He began to teach instead.
    Followers began to follow and
    thought he was divine or a god.

    Eventually, when his role was about to end,
    he wished all of his followers were able
    to realize how they are divine as well.

    Buddhists have a greeting for that.

    - namaste
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  • From eye@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Fri Mar 20 13:10:18 2026
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    one posted:
    aye posted:
    David posted:
    David posted:

    ... by flapping my higher dimensional butterfly wings

    Maybe I should say moth wings, ...

    A winged being flaps.
    A mystic has an experience.

    Between Zhuangzi and the butterfly
    an unknown was known to a point.

    Once upon a time, a man thought he was
    really some kind of a being, a messiah.

    Buddhists have a greeting for that.

    - namaste

    In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna tells a tale.
    Arjuna didn't want to kill his cousins, naturally.

    Krishna tries to explain to the driver of the chariot,
    Arjuna, how not to worry. It's all a great dream drama.

    Metaphors vary.

    A fun feature of David, as a soul who found a Way a round
    town and other places to be and not to be, is his quest.

    To square the root of a click.
    A chakra perhaps, near the base,
    of a right triangle given an altitude.

    Energy travels along a spinal chord making
    a sound heard by ancient mystics long ago.

    Aum is used, similar to Dao.
    The notes may be viewed.

    At times, they are a foot.
    At times they are at the end.

    Of a chapter or a book.

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  • From one@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Sat Mar 21 12:48:44 2026
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    eye posted:
    one posted:
    aye posted:
    David posted:
    David posted:

    ... higher dimensional butterfly wings

    ... moth wings, ...

    A winged being flaps.
    A mystic has an experience.

    Between Zhuangzi and the butterfly
    an unknown was known to a point.

    Zz wasn't sure if he was the butterfly
    dreaming about being Zhuangzi or if he were
    Zhuangzi dreaming about being the butterfly.

    One is reminded of how a deity could be
    dreaming of being all things at times.

    Some people with minds don't mind
    if the word, Mind, is used to describe.

    At other times a dreamer might be dreaming
    of being a universe of all things including
    yet not limited to being a deity.

    To hallucinate or to realize.
    What a phenomenon is called
    could make a difference.

    Once upon a time, a man thought he was
    really some kind of a being, a messiah.

    Lots of people are attracted to figures
    who are able to project authority. Speaking
    as if they know beyond any doubt what is
    going on at various levels.

    Convinced by a dream they are involved
    with dreaming they are and are not.

    Some are called, delusional.
    Others are called, inspired.

    - namaste

    To think there is an other,
    to salute and say, I see you,
    I see the divine within and
    there is of course, the walrus.

    ... It's all a great dream drama.

    Once upon a time, the walrus was Paul.
    Paul wasn't Jesus nor was Jesus the Father
    like Odin was being All naturally.

    Metaphors vary.

    While a butterfly or a moth flapping wings
    could be traced to being involved thousands
    of miles across an ocean, a notion mite may
    go surfing on a board when the surf is up.

    Aum is used ...

    A wave of an ocean
    is a notion of a wave.

    The surfing mite, the board, the water,
    to think there are three or more things
    can be quite a thought found in a train.

    Between duality, unity and non-duality
    in a stream of consciousness evaporating.

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  • From aye@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Sun Mar 22 11:32:11 2026
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    David posted:
    David posted:

    ... higher dimensional butterfly wings

    ... moth wings, ...

    A hurricane occurs and thinks
    it caused the moth wings to flap.

    The moth wasn't thinking about any particular
    event which might be involved in the future.
    It was simply flying a round for a spell.

    Long ago it heard of Zen
    and the sound of a hurricane
    without ears.

    The hurricane had an eye, of course.
    Some say it's where the Dao is found.

    - naturally! thanks! aye. Cheers!
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  • From one@user8028@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.philosophy.taoism on Mon Mar 23 12:02:26 2026
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    aye posted:

    The moth wasn't thinking about any particular
    event which might be involved in the future.
    It was simply flying a round for a spell.

    Long ago it heard of Zen
    and the sound of a hurricane
    without ears.

    The hurricane had an eye, of course.
    Some say it's where the Dao is found.

    Of all the saviors recorded, how many actually initiated
    or instigated a new world order could be a question. And,
    if any did, was it an intentional new beginning.

    Now-a-daze, many people reckon time by the birth
    of a body and there is a before and after that year.
    Some call it the Common Era. Chang is able to mean, common.

    Ways that are ways may be common ways.
    In the future, perhaps time will be computed
    from Before David and After David, the Moth.

    Krishna might not have changed the world
    by his incarnation with Arjuna. Perhaps few
    saw their own selves as being Atman/Brahman.
    Most remained stuck on the Wheel of Eighty-four.

    Siddhartha may have helped with his no permanent self.
    Maybe to balance the scales over people's eyes, he did.
    Whether his Four Noble Truths started a new order as it
    spread across geographical areas could be a world-view.

    Lao Tzu was simply tired of war.
    Chuang Tzu laughed.

    Fei-chang, uncommon, unusual may be the Dao.
    The dao that is the Dao of Daojia. As a form of Wu,
    as if Wu had a form, perhaps it is always, chang wu ming.
    As an activity, being inactive, it's said to be chang wu wei.

    David may sit and wait for mud to settle.
    Then, with a click or a shift, he divines.
    Being divine at the same time as all are,
    to change the Great Dream Drama is his dao.

    Bullwinkle Moose takes the stage.

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