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Foreign Media: In recent years, an increasing number of foreign tourists have been seeking medical treatment in China. In 2025, mainland hospitals received 1.28 million foreign patients, marking a 73% increase compared to three years ago.

This trend has gained attention as overseas bloggers share their experiences of receiving medical care in China. The implementation of visa-free policies for citizens of a growing number of countries has further facilitated this shift.
Overall, the experience of seeking medical treatment in China can be summarized as fast, high-quality, and affordable.

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Flying in for medical treatment in China, then enjoying food, fun, and finally shopping until all bags are packed. Compared to the slower, more expensive, and lower-quality healthcare processes back home, the results are quite evident. It's a fantastic deal! However, Chinese citizens are now taking note of this trend, and their feelings are mixedrCounsure whether to be pleased or displeased. Some have already called for stricter controls to prevent foreigners from crowding out medical resources for locals. It is unlikely that the government will intervene in the short term (personal speculation).
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Insta360 fan posted:

Overall, the experience of seeking medical treatment in China

can be summarized as fast, high-quality, and affordable.

Extreme Efficiency: Patients frequently report
completing registrations, specialist consultations,
and multiple diagnostic tests (like MRIs or blood work)
within a single afternoon without prior appointments.

Public vs. Private: Public "Level 3, Grade A" hospitals
are the top choice for many. International medical departments (IMDs)
in these hospitals operate independently, with fees typically 6 to 12 times higher than standard outpatient rates.

Foreigners visit both public and private hospitals,
but the experience and costs vary significantly between them.
In 2026, public hospitals remain the primary choice for "extreme value,"
while private hospitals are used by those seeking Western-style comfort
and English-speaking staff.

Public Hospitals (Standard Departments)
These are the most affordable and are where the "shockingly low" prices reported on social media occur.

Cost: Foreigners without local insurance typically pay the same low rates
as locals. A general consultation often costs only $3rCo$7 USD (approx. 20rCo50 RMB).

Pros: Extreme efficiency and low cost.
Complex tests like MRIs can cost as little as $70rCo$215 USD (500rCo1,500 RMB),
compared to thousands in the U.S..

Cons: Crowded, long wait times, and minimal English.
Patients must often pay for each step (consultation, then blood test, then meds)
separately and in advance.

Public Hospitals (International/VIP Departments)
Most top-tier public hospitals have an "International Medical Department" (IMD) or VIP wing to bridge the gap.

Cost: Fees are significantly higher than standard public departmentsrCo
often 6 to 12 times higher. For example, a consultation might jump
from $5 to $50rCo$100 USD.

Pros: English-speaking doctors, better privacy,
and much shorter wait times while still being cheaper
than Western private care.

Private International Hospitals
These facilities (e.g., United Family Healthcare, Parkway Health)
cater primarily to expats and wealthy locals.

Cost: Prices can be 10 to 30 times higher than public hospitals
and may even exceed costs in Europe or the U.S..

A single consultation can cost $150rCo$225 USD.

Pros: Entirely English-speaking environments,
direct billing with international insurance, and amenities
similar to luxury hotels.

- Gemini
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Gemini wrote:

Insta360 fan posted:

Overall, the experience of seeking medical treatment in China

can be summarized as fast, high-quality, and affordable.

Extreme Efficiency:

Pondering Daoism, as if that were a topic,
when everyone knows what is efficient, then
what is more or less, even to an extreme, emerges.

Public vs. Private:

When there is public, there is not-public.

DDJ 2 goes on and to where may be topical.

Foreigners

When us exist, not-us can be a thought.

Western-style comfort

Where there is north, south is a line.

The emperor once
upon a time and in a reality
was known to sit and face
given a direction.

Daoist yoga may suggest poses.
Aye has no idea if to face east,
west, north or south is advised.

and English-speaking

When a language is spoken, a Dao
that goes without saying could be
a kind of a type of a realm.

- thanks! aye. Cheers!
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aye posted:

Gemini wrote a bout:

Extreme Efficiency:

Pondering Daoism, as if that were a topic,
when everyone knows what is efficient, then
what is more or less, even to an extreme, emerges.

Public vs. Private:

When there is public, there is not-public.

DDJ 2 goes on and to where may be topical.

A form of a ChatGPT writes:

<< The chapter points to relativity and non-attachment.

All judgments create their opposites. Calling something beautiful creates ugly. Calling something good creates bad. None of these stand alone. They arise together and depend on each other.

Because of this, the sage does not cling to labels, achievements, or control. Action happens without forcing. Work is done without claiming credit.
Teaching happens without arguing.

The quiet conclusion:
Harmony comes from not taking sides,
not grasping results, and not interfering
with the natural balance of things. >>

<< The power is De (o++).

Not force. Not authority. Not dominance.

It is the quiet potency that comes from being aligned with the Dao.
The kind of power that works without strain, influences without pushing,
lasts because it does not exhaust itself.

When action leaves no ego-tracerCono claiming, no clinging, no priderCo
this power keeps flowing. When results are seized or owned, the flow breaks.

So the chapter points to this:
True power is effectiveness without self-assertion.
It endures precisely because it is not grasped. >>

- thanks! Cheers!
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aye posted:

The emperor once
upon a time and in a reality
was known to sit and face
given a direction.

Daoist yoga may suggest poses.
Aye has no idea if to face east,
west, north or south is advised.

Daoist yoga does use postures, yet they are secondary.
The core is internal alignment, breath, and qi flow, not external shape.

Rough equivalents:

Standing practices (Zhan Zhuang)
Still, upright postures. Look simple. Extremely demanding internally.
Build structure, root, and qi circulation.

Seated postures
Used for breathing, visualization, and inner alchemy.
Spine alignment matters more than flexibility.

Lying practices
Often for deep relaxation, marrow washing, or restoring qi.

Moving forms
Dao Yin, Qi Gong, and Tai Chi.
Slow, continuous movements that guide qi through the channels.
Less rCLpose holding,rCY more flow.

Key difference from asanas:
No emphasis on stretching to extremes
No display of form

Posture serves energetics, not aesthetics
The rCLposerCY is considered correct when qi moves freely
and the body feels unified, not when it looks impressive.

In short:
Daoist yoga has postures, but the real practice happens inside.

Direction matters, but it is contextual, not absolute.

General tendencies (not rigid rules):

Facing south
Most traditional.
South symbolizes life, warmth, and clarity.
Emperors, sages, and practitioners often faced south when sitting or teaching.

Facing east
Favored for morning practice.
East aligns with sunrise, growth, and rising yang.

Facing north
Used for storing, cooling, or deep stillness practices.
North corresponds to water and yin.

Facing west
Less common. Sometimes used for closing practices, release, or evening work.

Standing (Zhan Zhuang):
South or east most common.
What matters more is feeling rooted and balanced.

Sitting:
South for clarity and regulation. East at dawn. North for quiet, inward work.

Lying:
Often head to the north or east to calm the system and stabilize breath.

Moving practices (Qi Gong, Tai Chi):
Direction is flexible. Movement through all directions is preferred to avoid fixation.

Underlying principle:
Direction supports intention rCo it does not create it.

If attention, breath, and alignment are correct,
direction becomes a refinement
rather than a requirement.

In Daoist terms:
Orientation helps the current, but the river still flows without it.

- ChatGPT
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Insta360 fan <user11874@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:

Foreign Media: In recent years, an increasing number of foreign tourists have been seeking medical treatment in China. In 2025, mainland hospitals received 1.28 million foreign patients, marking a 73% increase compared to three years ago.

This trend has gained attention as overseas bloggers share their experiences of receiving medical care in China. The implementation of visa-free policies for citizens of a growing number of countries has further facilitated this shift.
Overall, the experience of seeking medical treatment in China can be summarized as fast, high-quality, and affordable.

https://p3-sign.toutiaoimg.com/tos-cn-i-ezhpy3drpa/cfa96c082fab4100a8e56e28c4cc87cc~tplv-obj:894:876.image?_iz=97245&bid=15&from=post&gid=1856526987689988&lk3s=06827d14&x-expires=1778284800&x-signature=i%2FCQzbN2wp7YQwcZbEjMtwZRaD0%3D

Flying in for medical treatment in China, then enjoying food, fun, and finally shopping until all bags are packed. Compared to the slower, more expensive, and lower-quality healthcare processes back home, the results are quite evident. It's a fantastic deal! However, Chinese citizens are now taking note of this trend, and their feelings are mixedrCounsure whether to be pleased or displeased. Some have already called for stricter controls to prevent foreigners from crowding out medical resources for locals. It is unlikely that the government will intervene in the short term (personal speculation).

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Looks to be a link about winning something.

A picture of some sort. No idea what it has to do
with Taoism. Maybe about shopping for medical treatment.

Could be referring to playing golf
against a brick wall.

- strange! thanks! aye. Cheers!

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aye posted:

Insta360 fan posted:

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Looks to be a link about winning something.

The article begins with:

<< By Steven Rattner

Mr. Rattner, a contributing Opinion writer,
served as counselor to the Treasury secretary
in the Obama administration.

A few weeks ago in New York,
I was sitting at a dinner organized to discuss American trade
when the conversation swiftly turned to China.

Well-credentialed experts took opposite stances:
Some supported President TrumprCOs muscular, aggressive positions,
while others pushed for a less confrontational, more conventional approach. >>

That actually reminds me of dao!

How dao are dao, like opinions.

And whether who likes an opinion or
a rhetorical question, who doesn't like
an opinion occurs as wells.

- thanks! Cheers!
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who posted:

aye posted:

Insta360 fan posted:

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Looks to be a link about winning something.

<< ... Well-credentialed experts took opposite stances:
Some supported President TrumprCOs muscular, aggressive positions,
while others pushed for a less confrontational, more conventional approach. >>

That actually reminds me of dao!

How dao are dao, like opinions.

Not to mention winning.
The win that is a win is a win.
Exactly what that means may well vary.

Also reminds me of yang and yin.

- thanks! aye. Cheers!
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who posted:

The article begins with: ...

<< I am no expert on trade, but ... >>

So, a guy writes an opinion article
stating how experts disagree and then,
perhaps as a caveat, says he's no expert.

People are funny.
At times, they can be funnier.

- thanks! Cheers!
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