• Are ghosts real and what are they?

    From JTEM@jtem01@gmail.com to alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.conspiracy,alt.christnet.christianlife on Tue Dec 9 00:18:46 2025
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    So, how do you describe a ghosts?

    A foggy apparition?

    A disarticulated limb or head?

    A cold spot?

    Noises?

    A 100% normal appearing human that is later discovered
    to have died years ago?

    Objects moving or breaking, doors opening?

    Etc.

    Ghost are commonly described as ALL OF THE ABOVE!

    Hmm. If an animal was described with such wildly
    varying descriptions you'd conclude that people were
    seeing different animals. That, more than one animal
    was being given the same label...

    Why not ghosts? Why suddenly change the rules for
    ghosts?

    What I'm saying is that for pretty much another other
    thing, stepping away from the topic of the supernatural,
    the many varied descriptions of ghosts would EXCLUDE a
    single phenomenon at play.

    Yes, something that appears invisible and passes through
    solid matter would be a different phenomena than
    something that looks like an ordinary person and interacts
    with the world as a real person would.

    Two different things. And between them spans a number of
    other very different things...

    The simpleton approach would be to shout "They don't
    exist" and leave it at that. But, that is objectively
    false in many cases.

    There are noises. People do feel cold spots. There are
    EMFs detected. EVPs are recorded. Multiple witnesses do
    report the same sighting... on & on.

    The experiences are real and in countless cases external
    in origins. All I'm saying is that there's more than one
    explanation.

    More than two explanations.
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.conspiracy,alt.christnet.christianlife on Wed Dec 10 22:41:51 2025
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    On 9/12/2025 1:18 pm, JTEM wrote:

    So, how do you describe a ghosts?


    Until I meet one... no I don't wanna meet one. :)
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  • From Dawn Flood@Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com to alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.conspiracy,alt.christnet.christianlife on Wed Dec 10 09:46:32 2025
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    On 12/8/2025 11:18 PM, JTEM wrote:

    So, how do you describe a ghosts?

    A foggy apparition?

    A disarticulated limb or head?

    A cold spot?

    Noises?

    A 100% normal appearing human that is later discovered
    to have died years ago?

    Objects moving or breaking, doors opening?

    Etc.

    Ghost are commonly described as ALL OF THE ABOVE!

    Hmm. If an animal was described with such wildly
    varying descriptions you'd conclude that people were
    seeing different animals. That, more than one animal
    was being given the same label...

    Why not ghosts? Why suddenly change the rules for
    ghosts?

    What I'm saying is that for pretty much another other
    thing, stepping away from the topic of the supernatural,
    the many varied descriptions of ghosts would EXCLUDE a
    single phenomenon at play.

    Yes, something that appears invisible and passes through
    solid matter would be a different phenomena than
    something that looks like an ordinary person and interacts
    with the world as a real person would.

    Two different things. And between them spans a number of
    other very different things...

    The simpleton approach would be to shout "They don't
    exist" and leave it at that. But, that is objectively
    false in many cases.

    There are noises. People do feel cold spots. There are
    EMFs detected. EVPs are recorded. Multiple witnesses do
    report the same sighting... on & on.

    The experiences are real and in countless cases external
    in origins. All I'm saying is that there's more than one
    explanation.

    More than two explanations.


    Simple. There are no ghosts. If you disagree, cite the peer-reviewed
    paper, preferably, from Science, Nature, Proceedings of the National
    Academy of Sciences, or some other society or at least reputable journal
    (such as the New England Journal of Medicine.)

    Dawn

    P.S. Don't hop on your conspiracy bandwagon; I have too much going on
    today to deal with that!
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  • From jojo@f00@0f0.00f to alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.conspiracy,alt.christnet.christianlife on Wed Dec 10 17:12:19 2025
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    JTEM wrote:

    So, how do you describe a ghosts?

    A foggy apparition?

    A disarticulated limb or head?

    A cold spot?

    Noises?

    A 100% normal appearing human that is later discovered
    to have died years ago?

    Objects moving or breaking, doors opening?

    Etc.

    Ghost are commonly described as ALL OF THE ABOVE!

    Hmm. If an animal was described with such wildly
    varying descriptions you'd conclude that people were
    seeing different animals. That, more than one animal
    was being given the same label...

    Why not ghosts? Why suddenly change the rules for
    ghosts?

    What I'm saying is that for pretty much another other
    thing, stepping away from the topic of the supernatural,
    the many varied descriptions of ghosts would EXCLUDE a
    single phenomenon at play.

    Yes, something that appears invisible and passes through
    solid matter would be a different phenomena than
    something that looks like an ordinary person and interacts
    with the world as a real person would.

    Two different things. And between them spans a number of
    other very different things...

    The simpleton approach would be to shout "They don't
    exist" and leave it at that. But, that is objectively
    false in many cases.

    There are noises. People do feel cold spots. There are
    EMFs detected. EVPs are recorded. Multiple witnesses do
    report the same sighting... on & on.

    The experiences are real and in countless cases external
    in origins. All I'm saying is that there's more than one
    explanation.

    More than two explanations.


    i am open to there being remnants of kind... problem is trillions
    of creatures have lived and died and i dont see any remnants.

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  • From JTEM@jtem01@gmail.com to alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.conspiracy,alt.christnet.christianlife on Wed Dec 10 13:19:36 2025
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    Dawn Flood wrote:

    On 12/8/2025 11:18 PM, JTEM wrote:

    There are noises. People do feel cold spots. There are
    EMFs detected. EVPs are recorded. Multiple witnesses do
    report the same sighting... on & on.

    The experiences are real and in countless cases external
    in origins. All I'm saying is that there's more than one
    explanation.

    More than two explanations.

    Simple.-a There are no ghosts.

    wow gosh the stereotypical reaction of a narcissist i am so
    surprised maybe shocked oh yes i am shocked oh my oh my what
    a surprise...

    The topic wasn't whether or not ghosts are real or what people
    were actually experiencing. You don't know this because you're
    an idiot.

    Okay, back to what I was saying: People describe many different
    things and call them all "Ghosts." Why? Why are they all under
    the same umbrella term? If people offered such wildly different
    descriptions for "an" animal, we'd all assume that they were
    seeing different animals. So why do we throw away the rules for
    "Ghosts?"
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.conspiracy,alt.christnet.christianlife on Thu Dec 11 12:21:24 2025
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    On 11/12/2025 1:12 am, jojo wrote:

    i am open to there being remnants of kind... problem is trillions
    of creatures have lived and died and i dont see any remnants.



    Easy explaination: you are not relevant to them! ;)
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.conspiracy,alt.christnet.christianlife on Thu Dec 11 12:22:47 2025
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    On 10/12/2025 11:46 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:

    Simple. There are no ghosts. If you disagree, cite the peer-reviewed
    paper, preferably, from Science, Nature, Proceedings of the National
    Academy of Sciences, or some other society or at least reputable journal (such as the New England Journal of Medicine.)


    Wave-particle duality might explain why ghosts are translucent and go
    through solid objects? :)
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  • From Dawn Flood@Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com to alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.conspiracy,alt.christnet.christianlife on Wed Dec 10 23:09:25 2025
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    On 12/10/2025 10:22 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 10/12/2025 11:46 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:

    Simple.-a There are no ghosts.-a If you disagree, cite the peer-reviewed
    paper, preferably, from Science, Nature, Proceedings of the National
    Academy of Sciences, or some other society or at least reputable journal
    (such as the New England Journal of Medicine.)


    Wave-particle duality might explain why ghosts are translucent and go through solid objects? :)


    No. Per the de Broglie equation, ++ = h/mv, anything with a wavelength
    must have energy, and if something has energy, it would be detectable.
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  • From jojo@f00@0f0.00f to alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.conspiracy,alt.christnet.christianlife on Thu Dec 11 15:10:03 2025
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    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 11/12/2025 1:09 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
    On 12/10/2025 10:22 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    Wave-particle duality might explain why ghosts are translucent
    and go
    through solid objects? :)


    No.-a Per the de Broglie equation, ++ = h/mv, anything with a
    wavelength
    must have energy, and if something has energy, it would be
    detectable.


    By "translucent" I meant you still could partially see it,
    partially visible. :)


    that is plasma, ghosts might be a different form of plasma with
    particles that do not interact with fermions and bosons.

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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.conspiracy,alt.christnet.christianlife on Fri Dec 12 00:07:48 2025
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    On 11/12/2025 11:43 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:

    Only light can pull that off! If ghosts emit light that our eyes can
    see, then a CCD should be able to record that EMR, also!!


    And hence all those ghosty photos? :)
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  • From pursent100@pursent100@gmail.com to alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.conspiracy,alt.christnet.christianlife on Thu Dec 11 13:28:58 2025
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    Dawn Flood wrote:
    On 12/10/2025 10:22 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 10/12/2025 11:46 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:

    Simple.-a There are no ghosts.-a If you disagree, cite the peer-reviewed >>> paper, preferably, from Science, Nature, Proceedings of the National
    Academy of Sciences, or some other society or at least reputable journal >>> (such as the New England Journal of Medicine.)


    Wave-particle duality might explain why ghosts are translucent and go
    through solid objects? :)


    No.-a Per the de Broglie equation, ++ = h/mv, anything with a wavelength must have energy, and if something has energy, it would be detectable.

    you do and you're not
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  • From pursent100@pursent100@gmail.com to alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.conspiracy,alt.christnet.christianlife on Thu Dec 11 13:29:43 2025
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    Dawn Flood wrote:
    On 12/11/2025 7:16 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 11/12/2025 1:09 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
    On 12/10/2025 10:22 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    Wave-particle duality might explain why ghosts are translucent and go
    through solid objects? :)


    No.-a Per the de Broglie equation, ++ = h/mv, anything with a wavelength >>> must have energy, and if something has energy, it would be detectable.


    By "translucent" I meant you still could partially see it, partially
    visible. :)


    Only light can pull that off!-a If ghosts emit light that our eyes can
    see, then a CCD should be able to record that EMR, also!!

    it can't detect spiritual
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  • From Dawn Flood@Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com to alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.conspiracy,alt.christnet.christianlife on Thu Dec 11 15:21:08 2025
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    On 12/11/2025 10:07 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 11/12/2025 11:43 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:

    Only light can pull that off!-a If ghosts emit light that our eyes can
    see, then a CCD should be able to record that EMR, also!!


    And hence all those ghosty photos? :)


    Show me a single one.
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.conspiracy,alt.christnet.christianlife on Fri Dec 12 15:27:23 2025
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    On 12/12/2025 5:21 am, Dawn Flood wrote:
    On 12/11/2025 10:07 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    And hence all those ghosty photos? :)


    Show me a single one.


    Youtube! Or Google Search with A.I.! ;)
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.conspiracy,alt.christnet.christianlife on Fri Dec 12 21:19:29 2025
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    On 12/12/2025 5:21 am, Dawn Flood wrote:
    On 12/11/2025 10:07 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 11/12/2025 11:43 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:

    Only light can pull that off!-a If ghosts emit light that our eyes can
    see, then a CCD should be able to record that EMR, also!!


    And hence all those ghosty photos? :)


    Show me a single one.

    BTW, ghosts, orbs and UFOs are quite similar in nature. ;)
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  • From jojo@f00@0f0.00f to alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.conspiracy,alt.christnet.christianlife on Fri Dec 12 14:15:47 2025
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    Dawn Flood wrote:
    On 12/11/2025 9:10 AM, jojo wrote:
    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 11/12/2025 1:09 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
    On 12/10/2025 10:22 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    Wave-particle duality might explain why ghosts are
    translucent and go
    through solid objects? :)


    No.-a Per the de Broglie equation, ++ = h/mv, anything with a
    wavelength
    must have energy, and if something has energy, it would be
    detectable.


    By "translucent" I meant you still could partially see it,
    partially visible. :)


    that is plasma, ghosts might be a different form of plasma with
    particles that do not interact with fermions and bosons.



    Jojo,

    A plasma is a state of matter where all of the electrons have
    been ionized; it's what is going on at the center of our Sun and
    other stars.

    Dawn

    lets say, after we die, a phase transition occur where the built
    up entropy within our brains gets converted into some form of
    blob that no longer interacts with normal matter..

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  • From Dawn Flood@Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com to alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.conspiracy,alt.christnet.christianlife on Fri Dec 12 09:03:12 2025
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    On 12/12/2025 8:15 AM, jojo wrote:
    Dawn Flood wrote:
    On 12/11/2025 9:10 AM, jojo wrote:
    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 11/12/2025 1:09 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
    On 12/10/2025 10:22 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    Wave-particle duality might explain why ghosts are translucent and go >>>>>> through solid objects? :)


    No.-a Per the de Broglie equation, ++ = h/mv, anything with a wavelength >>>>> must have energy, and if something has energy, it would be detectable. >>>>

    By "translucent" I meant you still could partially see it, partially
    visible. :)


    that is plasma, ghosts might be a different form of plasma with
    particles that do not interact with fermions and bosons.



    Jojo,

    A plasma is a state of matter where all of the electrons have been
    ionized; it's what is going on at the center of our Sun and other stars.

    Dawn

    lets say, after we die, a phase transition occur where the built up
    entropy within our brains gets converted into some form of blob that no longer interacts with normal matter..


    That would be fun!!

    Dawn
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  • From JTEM@jtem01@gmail.com to alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.conspiracy,alt.christnet.christianlife on Fri Dec 12 17:18:00 2025
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    On 12/12/25 9:15 AM, jojo wrote:

    lets say, after we die, a phase transition occur where the built up
    entropy within our brains gets converted into some form of blob that no longer interacts with normal matter..

    You're describing a leftist.

    Remember: A liberal Democrat is against the death penalty. A leftist
    wants people executed for thought crimes.

    Just ask Charlie Kirk!
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  • From Dawn Flood@Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com to alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.conspiracy,alt.christnet.christianlife on Sat Dec 13 00:09:42 2025
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    On 12/12/2025 4:18 PM, JTEM wrote:
    On 12/12/25 9:15 AM, jojo wrote:

    lets say, after we die, a phase transition occur where the built up
    entropy within our brains gets converted into some form of blob that
    no longer interacts with normal matter..

    You're describing a leftist.

    Remember:-a A liberal Democrat is against the death penalty. A leftist
    wants people executed for thought crimes.

    Just ask Charlie Kirk!



    Charlie Kirk is dead, and no, leftists, such as myself, oppose all
    executions, whether judicial or extrajudicial.

    Dawn
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  • From jojo@f00@0f0.00f to alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.conspiracy,alt.christnet.christianlife on Sun Dec 14 18:47:47 2025
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    JTEM wrote:
    On 12/12/25 9:15 AM, jojo wrote:

    lets say, after we die, a phase transition occur where the
    built up entropy within our brains gets converted into some
    form of blob that no longer interacts with normal matter..

    You're describing a leftist.

    Remember:-a A liberal Democrat is against the death penalty. A
    leftist
    wants people executed for thought crimes.

    Just ask Charlie Kirk!


    i was actually describing best case realistic scenario for post
    death phenomenon.

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