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On 24/07/2026 02:40, Adam wrote:

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that if the Mint team decided to
make
LMDE the main Linux Mint, it would arguably be easier on them AND it
could
help facilitate the transition from Windows to Linux for more people.

To make the transition as smooth as possible, the first thing you should
do is install the Microsoft fonts using these seven commands:


< sudo add-apt-repository multiverse >

< sudo apt install ttf-mscorefonts-installer >

< sudo fc-cache -f -v >

< wget -q -O - https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Blastoise/72e10b8af5ca359772ee64b6dba33c91/raw/2d7ab3caa27faa61beca9fbf7d3aca6ce9a25916/clearType.sh
| bash >

< wget -q -O - https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Blastoise/b74e06f739610c4a867cf94b27637a56/raw/96926e732a38d3da860624114990121d71c08ea1/tahoma.sh
| bash >

< wget -q -O - https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Blastoise/64ba4acc55047a53b680c1b3072dd985/raw/6bdf69384da4783cc6dafcb51d281cb3ddcb7ca0/segoeUI.sh
| bash >

< wget -q -O - https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Blastoise/d959d3196fb3937b36969013d96740e0/raw/429d8882b7c34e5dbd7b9cbc9d0079de5bd9e3aa/otherFonts.sh
| bash >

These commands will make sure that their LibreOffice documents look
exactly the same as their Microsoft Office documents. This will also
ease their mindset because they will have all the fonts they use/used in Windows.

x-posted to Ubuntu because they might also be doing something like what
you are doing.


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On 7/24/26 8:15 PM, George wrote:

On 24/07/2026 02:40, Adam wrote:

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that if the Mint team decided to
make
LMDE the main Linux Mint, it would arguably be easier on them AND it
could
help facilitate the transition from Windows to Linux for more people.

To make the transition as smooth as possible, the first thing you should
do is install the Microsoft fonts using these seven commands:

< sudo add-apt-repository multiverse >

< sudo apt install ttf-mscorefonts-installer >

< sudo fc-cache -f -v >

< wget -q -O - https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Blastoise/72e10b8af5ca359772ee64b6dba33c91/raw/2d7ab3caa27faa61beca9fbf7d3aca6ce9a25916/clearType.sh
| bash >

< wget -q -O - https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Blastoise/b74e06f739610c4a867cf94b27637a56/raw/96926e732a38d3da860624114990121d71c08ea1/tahoma.sh
| bash >

< wget -q -O - https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Blastoise/64ba4acc55047a53b680c1b3072dd985/raw/6bdf69384da4783cc6dafcb51d281cb3ddcb7ca0/segoeUI.sh
| bash >

< wget -q -O - https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Blastoise/d959d3196fb3937b36969013d96740e0/raw/429d8882b7c34e5dbd7b9cbc9d0079de5bd9e3aa/otherFonts.sh
| bash >

These commands will make sure that their LibreOffice documents look
exactly the same as their Microsoft Office documents. This will also
ease their mindset because they will have all the fonts they use/used in Windows.

x-posted to Ubuntu because they might also be doing something like what
you are doing.

And if they ever complained that a font was missing and still had access to the
C:/windows/fonts folder (or put it on a usb before the flip) then could put those in the
$HOME/.fonts folder. Especially ttf fonts. Not the whole windows/fonts folder, just select.
--
Mint 22.3, Thunderbird 140.12.1esr, Firefox 152.0.6
Alan K.
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On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 01:15:17 +0100, George wrote:

These commands will make sure that their LibreOffice documents look
exactly the same as their Microsoft Office documents. This will also
ease their mindset because they will have all the fonts they
use/used in Windows.

I never knew that the typical Dimdows user even understood what a
rCLfontrCY was.

That was supposed to be something only typography geeks cared about.
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On Fri, 7/24/2026 8:15 PM, George wrote:

On 24/07/2026 02:40, Adam wrote:

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that if the Mint team decided to
make
LMDE the main Linux Mint, it would arguably be easier on them AND it
could
help facilitate the transition from Windows to Linux for more people.

To make the transition as smooth as possible, the first thing you should
do is install the Microsoft fonts using these seven commands:

< sudo add-apt-repository multiverse >

< sudo apt install ttf-mscorefonts-installer >

< sudo fc-cache -f -v >

< wget -q -O - https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Blastoise/72e10b8af5ca359772ee64b6dba33c91/raw/2d7ab3caa27faa61beca9fbf7d3aca6ce9a25916/clearType.sh
| bash >

< wget -q -O - https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Blastoise/b74e06f739610c4a867cf94b27637a56/raw/96926e732a38d3da860624114990121d71c08ea1/tahoma.sh
| bash >

< wget -q -O - https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Blastoise/64ba4acc55047a53b680c1b3072dd985/raw/6bdf69384da4783cc6dafcb51d281cb3ddcb7ca0/segoeUI.sh
| bash >

< wget -q -O - https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Blastoise/d959d3196fb3937b36969013d96740e0/raw/429d8882b7c34e5dbd7b9cbc9d0079de5bd9e3aa/otherFonts.sh
| bash >

These commands will make sure that their LibreOffice documents look
exactly the same as their Microsoft Office documents. This will also
ease their mindset because they will have all the fonts they use/used in Windows.

x-posted to Ubuntu because they might also be doing something like what
you are doing.

These are typically installed as part of WINE.

I'm not good at doing WINE installs, but these might be in winetricks.

They aren't entirely unknown, to people who have fitted WINE to their install.

*******

We are spoiled today, by having "sufficient" fonts installed, to not
really care about them. There were "hard times", when the fonts available
to you, were teeth-grindingly bad. Not everyone realizes how many years it took, to gradually fix that. If I were to ask a Linux user today, what
folder their default font collection was in, they could not answer
that question without help, and I certainly can't give you a list, as
all the fonts I've ever needed were already there in some form. But back in X11R4 days, all the users who were using X11, were only too aware of
fonts, font conversion routines, the need to prepare certain folders and
update the font index for that folder (xlsfonts?) and so on. That's
what I mean by spoiled -- nobody even thinks about their DE needing
fonts and someone has already provided them.

Paul


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On Fri, 24 Jul 2026 22:25:31 -0400, Paul wrote:

But back in X11R4 days, all the users who were using X11, were only
too aware of fonts, font conversion routines, the need to prepare
certain folders and update the font index for that folder
(xlsfonts?) and so on.

X11 even ran a font server back then. Ever dealt with one of those?

Moving font handling to the client app side, instead of the server side,
was one of those small steps that eventually led to Wayland.

That's what I mean by spoiled -- nobody even thinks about their DE
needing fonts and someone has already provided them.

Lots of projects were launched in the early part of this century to
create a large collection of free, open-source, high-quality fonts
that could be used for anything.

Why is it we can now take the use of Unicode for granted? Because, at
least in part, Google sponsored the creation of its rCLNotorCY (rCLno tofurCY) font collection, that became useful as a fallback for those odd
characters that were not actually present in the actual font you
wanted to use.
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On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 01:46:08 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 01:15:17 +0100, George wrote:

These commands will make sure that their LibreOffice documents look
exactly the same as their Microsoft Office documents. This will also
ease their mindset because they will have all the fonts they use/used
in Windows.

I never knew that the typical Dimdows user even understood what a rCLfontrCY was.

That was supposed to be something only typography geeks cared about.

No, they are aware the default LibreOffice fonts are not the same.
Personally I've never used Office and only use LibreOffice to read docx
files sent to me. When IT provisioned Windows machines for programming
they didn't install Office. They figured programmers would figure out something that didn't involve paying money.
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On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 02:31:40 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

X11 even ran a font server back then. Ever dealt with one of those?

Moving font handling to the client app side, instead of the server side,
was one of those small steps that eventually led to Wayland.

Motif had resource files in /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults that allowed
configuring each application globally. Support had a standard set they installed although sometimes a client would request customization. You
could address individual widgets -- if you knew what they were called.

When one client complained about the configuration I brewed up a pink and green theme from hell to get them to be more specific. Sometimes it's difficult to get a client to say exactly what they want.

We did have a set of 'cad fonts' that were installed. The legacy apps were Motif/X11 even on Windows machines.
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Paul wrote:

On Fri, 7/24/2026 8:15 PM, George wrote:

On 24/07/2026 02:40, Adam wrote:

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that if the Mint team decided to
make
LMDE the main Linux Mint, it would arguably be easier on them AND it
could
help facilitate the transition from Windows to Linux for more people.

To make the transition as smooth as possible, the first thing you should
do is install the Microsoft fonts using these seven commands:


< sudo add-apt-repository multiverse >

< sudo apt install ttf-mscorefonts-installer >

< sudo fc-cache -f -v >

< wget -q -O -
https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Blastoise/72e10b8af5ca359772ee64b6dba33c91/raw/2d7ab3caa27faa61beca9fbf7d3aca6ce9a25916/clearType.sh
| bash >

< wget -q -O -
https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Blastoise/b74e06f739610c4a867cf94b27637a56/raw/96926e732a38d3da860624114990121d71c08ea1/tahoma.sh
| bash >

< wget -q -O -
https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Blastoise/64ba4acc55047a53b680c1b3072dd985/raw/6bdf69384da4783cc6dafcb51d281cb3ddcb7ca0/segoeUI.sh
| bash >

< wget -q -O -
https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Blastoise/d959d3196fb3937b36969013d96740e0/raw/429d8882b7c34e5dbd7b9cbc9d0079de5bd9e3aa/otherFonts.sh
| bash >

These commands will make sure that their LibreOffice documents look
exactly the same as their Microsoft Office documents. This will also
ease their mindset because they will have all the fonts they use/used in
Windows.

x-posted to Ubuntu because they might also be doing something like what
you are doing.

These are typically installed as part of WINE.

I'm not good at doing WINE installs, but these might be in winetricks.

They aren't entirely unknown, to people who have fitted WINE to their install.

*******

We are spoiled today, by having "sufficient" fonts installed, to not
really care about them. There were "hard times", when the fonts available
to you, were teeth-grindingly bad.

Not to mention overly expensive. Nowadays a licence for a real Helvetica
or Garamond font will "only" set you back about 500 euros, but before
desktop publishing really took off with Windows 3.1, they were probably
even more expensive. I remember fonts typically came on a 5-+-inch floppy
disk which was best kept under lock and key. You didn't want someone to accidentally overwrite the disc after paying all that money for it.

Then came the internet, open source stuff, free fonts and all the rest
of it.

Good old times.




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On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 10:28:39 +0200, Monsieur wrote:

[snip]

I remember fonts typically came on a 5-+-inch floppy
disk which was best kept under lock and key. You didn't want someone to accidentally overwrite the disc after paying all that money for it.

Then came the internet, open source stuff, free fonts and all the rest
of it.

Good old times.

I remember that whenever I got something on a floppy, I would write-
protect it before use. If it was something that requires write access to
the distribution disk (not a good thing), I would use a copy. This almost always worked (there were a few of those "assume you're a thief" things
that were incompatible).
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious
theories of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a
personal God." [Thomas Alva Edison, "Columbian Magazine"]
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On 25 Jul 2026 16:58:40 GMT, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 10:28:39 +0200, Monsieur wrote:

[snip]

I remember fonts typically came on a 5-+-inch floppy disk which was best
kept under lock and key. You didn't want someone to accidentally
overwrite the disc after paying all that money for it.

Then came the internet, open source stuff, free fonts and all the rest
of it.

Good old times.

I remember that whenever I got something on a floppy, I would write-
protect it before use. If it was something that requires write access to
the distribution disk (not a good thing), I would use a copy. This
almost always worked (there were a few of those "assume you're a thief" things that were incompatible).

Then there were the programs that came with a handy dandy dongle...

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On 25/07/2026 01:40, Alan K. wrote:

And if they ever complained that a font was missing and still had
access to the C:/windows/fonts folder (or put it on a usb before the
flip) then could put those in the $HOME/.fonts folder. Especially ttf
fonts. Not the whole windows/fonts folder, just select.

That's quite true. I always keep a zip file of ttf fonts and upload them
to my Mega account, where they can be downloaded by almost anyone with
the link:

<https://mega.nz/file/T4AjzD7K#LfZMdypmPE7gaVWGiGPdRcz_SIcMco-WAkpwm7NjJZQ>.

The ZIP file can be extracted, and the entire folder can be copied or
moved to '/usr/share/fonts/truetype/'.

The zip file contains 712 fonts, all of which were copied from Windows
11 25H2.

Then run these two commands to make sure the fonts are available
everywhere, including in the system's display settings, if you want
everything to look like Microsoft Windows.

sudo add-apt-repository multiverse

sudo fc-cache -f -v




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On Mon, 27 Jul 2026 00:50:53 +0100, George wrote:

The ZIP file can be extracted, and the entire folder can be copied
or moved to '/usr/share/fonts/truetype/'.

I would recommend not doing that. Put it in /usr/local/share/fonts
instead.
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Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 27 Jul 2026 00:50:53 +0100, George wrote:

The ZIP file can be extracted, and the entire folder can be copied
or moved to '/usr/share/fonts/truetype/'.

I would recommend not doing that. Put it in /usr/local/share/fonts
instead.

Better:
~/.local/share/fonts
--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
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