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Lately the upgrades offered doing a 'zypper dup' come with numerous
problems. Choices made with 4 problems generate 6 or more as I start over again with different choices.

Most of the problems generated deal with "xxxx" needs "yyyy" which cannot
be provided. Why set forth an upgrade when a dependency cannot be
provided? I hesitate to use the "Break it" option, since in many cases I
do not know what the package is doing.

I usually select either "Keep the obsolete" or "deinstall." Deinstalling
then creates problems with other packages using the (to be) deinstalled package as a dependency.

I've had "Tumbleweed" since 7/2020 and regular "zypper dup(s)" have been mostly straight forward. It seems that this year, beginning in March,
these problems have intensified.

Sometimes I wish a choice was given: (x)Don't upgrade this if it will
generate a problem. The (c) option Cancels the whole upgrade so nothing
gets upgraded.
A second wish would be every (upgrade) package checks all it's
dependencies to see if they are available before being offered.

Any wise counsel?

Paul
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On 07/05/2023 02.25, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

Lately the upgrades offered doing a 'zypper dup' come with numerous
problems. Choices made with 4 problems generate 6 or more as I start over again with different choices.

Most of the problems generated deal with "xxxx" needs "yyyy" which cannot
be provided. Why set forth an upgrade when a dependency cannot be
provided? I hesitate to use the "Break it" option, since in many cases I
do not know what the package is doing.

I usually select either "Keep the obsolete" or "deinstall." Deinstalling then creates problems with other packages using the (to be) deinstalled package as a dependency.

I've had "Tumbleweed" since 7/2020 and regular "zypper dup(s)" have been mostly straight forward. It seems that this year, beginning in March,
these problems have intensified.

Sometimes I wish a choice was given: (x)Don't upgrade this if it will generate a problem. The (c) option Cancels the whole upgrade so nothing
gets upgraded.
A second wish would be every (upgrade) package checks all it's
dependencies to see if they are available before being offered.

Any wise counsel?

Question: have you added repos to the defaults?

Extra repos can be a source of problems.


I can not offer you guidance, because I do not use TW, but plain Leap.
But I would suggest you ask in the mail list instead, or the forum,
because you will find there more people than here.

But I have not heard people complaining, so it must be something in your system. My guess, extra repos.
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Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

Lately the upgrades offered doing a 'zypper dup' come with numerous
problems. Choices made with 4 problems generate 6 or more as I start over again with different choices.

Most of the problems generated deal with "xxxx" needs "yyyy" which cannot
be provided. Why set forth an upgrade when a dependency cannot be
provided? I hesitate to use the "Break it" option, since in many cases I
do not know what the package is doing.

I usually select either "Keep the obsolete" or "deinstall." Deinstalling then creates problems with other packages using the (to be) deinstalled package as a dependency.

I've had "Tumbleweed" since 7/2020 and regular "zypper dup(s)" have been mostly straight forward. It seems that this year, beginning in March,
these problems have intensified.

Sometimes I wish a choice was given: (x)Don't upgrade this if it will generate a problem. The (c) option Cancels the whole upgrade so nothing
gets upgraded.
A second wish would be every (upgrade) package checks all it's
dependencies to see if they are available before being offered.

Any wise counsel?

Paul

Is YaST2 -> Software -> Online Update useable under Tumbleweed? I only
use it under similar circumstances to yours (under Leap) but then it
offers more precision with the selections than Zypper does.
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On 2023-05-07 15:21, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

Lately the upgrades offered doing a 'zypper dup' come with numerous
problems. Choices made with 4 problems generate 6 or more as I start over
again with different choices.

Most of the problems generated deal with "xxxx" needs "yyyy" which cannot
be provided.-a Why set forth an upgrade when a dependency cannot be
provided? I hesitate to use the "Break it" option, since in many cases I
do not know what the package is doing.

I usually select either "Keep the obsolete" or "deinstall."-a Deinstalling >> then creates problems with other packages using the (to be) deinstalled
package as a dependency.

I've had "Tumbleweed" since 7/2020 and regular "zypper dup(s)" have been
mostly straight forward.-a It seems that this year, beginning in March,
these problems have intensified.

Sometimes I wish a choice was given: (x)Don't upgrade this if it will
generate a problem. The (c) option Cancels the whole upgrade so nothing
gets upgraded.
A second wish would be every (upgrade) package checks all it's
dependencies to see if they are available before being offered.

Any wise counsel?

Paul

Is YaST2 -> Software -> Online Update useable under Tumbleweed?

No.

The only supported method on TW, is "zypper dup".
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On Sun, 7 May 2023 03:32:32 +0200, Carlos E.R wrote:

Question: have you added repos to the defaults?

Extra repos can be a source of problems.

I have the default repositories and have added:
(1) Packman
(2) Brave (which only seem to service the "Brave Browser)

Also, it seems most of the problem packages seem somehow related to KDE
stuff. "libkPim5Libk.....*"

Thus far, I have chosen to avoid updating. I'll give it some time.

Paul
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On 2023-05-09 21:07, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

On Sun, 7 May 2023 03:32:32 +0200, Carlos E.R wrote:

Question: have you added repos to the defaults?

Extra repos can be a source of problems.

I have the default repositories and have added:
(1) Packman

I assume you have the proper URL for TW. You can verify by running this command in a terminal and examining the output:

zypper lr --details | less -S

(2) Brave (which only seem to service the "Brave Browser)

I'm not familiar with it. What exact repo and URL is it?


If you wish, you can upload your repo list to susepaste and thus we can
have a look:

zypper lr --details | susepaste -n "Paul RS" -t "repo list" -e 40320

Then post the resulting link here.

Also, it seems most of the problem packages seem somehow related to KDE stuff. "libkPim5Libk.....*"

Thus far, I have chosen to avoid updating. I'll give it some time.

It is not normal.
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Cheers, Carlos.

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On Tue, 9 May 2023 22:09:43 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

*If you wish, you can upload your repo list to susepaste and thus we can
*have a look:

*zypper lr --details | susepaste -n "Paul RS" -t "repo list" -e 40320

*Then post the resulting link here.

https://susepaste.org/a4a16f223ef3
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On 10 May 2023 00:52:20 GMT
Paul R Schmidtbleicher <paulrs@foxinternet.net> wrote:

On Tue, 9 May 2023 22:09:43 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

*If you wish, you can upload your repo list to susepaste and thus we
can *have a look:

*zypper lr --details | susepaste -n "Paul RS" -t "repo list" -e 40320

*Then post the resulting link here.

https://susepaste.org/a4a16f223ef3

Hi
That site is dead, use the https://paste.opensuse.org/ link
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On 2023-05-10 04:46, Malcolm wrote:

On 10 May 2023 00:52:20 GMT
Paul R Schmidtbleicher <paulrs@foxinternet.net> wrote:

On Tue, 9 May 2023 22:09:43 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

*If you wish, you can upload your repo list to susepaste and thus we
can *have a look:

*zypper lr --details | susepaste -n "Paul RS" -t "repo list" -e 40320

*Then post the resulting link here.

https://susepaste.org/a4a16f223ef3

Hi
That site is dead, use the https://paste.opensuse.org/ link

Yeah, the command prints two links, and one of them seems to not work.

So it is <https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/a4a16f223ef3>


Packman repo is triplicated, 5, 7 and 9. Leave only one, maybe 9.

Oh, two are disabled. Anyway, choose one. If you need mirror redundancy,
I'll tell you a different way that works.



The brave repository is designed in a manner that I can not inspect it
with Firefox. I can not see its contents.

https://brave-browser-rpm-release.s3.brave.com/x86_64/

Had to add the repo and inspect with YaST. It contains only two packages:

brave-browser - Brave Web Browser
brave-keyring - Brave Browser keyring and repository files


So that I don't see how it could mess with things, unless by requiring
old rpm versions.
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On 7 May 2023 00:25:23 GMT, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

Lately the upgrades offered doing a 'zypper dup' come with numerous
problems. Choices made with 4 problems generate 6 or more as I start
over again with different choices.

Paul

OK, I'm back! With too many frustrations, I've stayed away for a few
days.

Upon return, I discovered I was being offered 1260+ upgrades. (Maybe
something in there would solve earlier - seemingly unresolvable -
problems.

My first 'zupper dup' revealed there were now 8 problems (from original 4 problems days ago). The first two dealt with moving packages from
'packman' to 'opensuse.' These were the 1st option. I chose it.

I then decided to try BLINDLY using Option 1 for the other 6 problems.
Now I had 8 new problems. I did the same with these next 8 problems. It returned 4 new problems. I followed the same Option 1 choices. That took
me back to 8 new problems; then 7 new problems, then 4 new problems, then
3, and finally 2 new problems. Choosing Option 1 every time with these
last two problems, I finally got to the "GO-AHEAD" screen and now 1550+ upgrades. I said "YES" (Do it)

NOTE: I had no idea what I was doing, what I was deleting, nor what I was substituting.
At this point I was figuring: (1) I would save the Home Directory; (2)
Take note of my "Bread & Butter" programs; (3) Download the newest TW DVD;
and do a blank HD upgrade of TW if things all fell apart.

Well, upon 'shutdown -r now' my login came up, my desktop screen, and upon checking my "Bread & Butter" programs, they all were working. Haven't
tried anything else though . . . .

I AM NOT NECESSARILY RECOMMENDING THIS, BUT THUS FAR IT WORKED FOR ME.

I assumed BLINDLY that possibly Option 1 was either the simplest, first thought of, or maybe the best option (???). (At one point in my early frustrations (4 problems) I tried the "breaking option," but discarded it
when it produced 10 new problems.

So, for you wonderful 'Linux helpers' thanks for taking the time to
consider my frustrations. - TIME WILL TELL WHEN I GET THE NEXT BATCH OF SUGGESTED UPGRADES how my 'Blind Option 1' choices worked.

Grateful Thanks,
Paul
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Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

On 7 May 2023 00:25:23 GMT, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

Lately the upgrades offered doing a 'zypper dup' come with numerous
problems. Choices made with 4 problems generate 6 or more as I start
over again with different choices.

Paul

OK, I'm back! With too many frustrations, I've stayed away for a few
days.

Upon return, I discovered I was being offered 1260+ upgrades. (Maybe something in there would solve earlier - seemingly unresolvable -
problems.

My first 'zupper dup' revealed there were now 8 problems (from original 4 problems days ago). The first two dealt with moving packages from
'packman' to 'opensuse.' These were the 1st option. I chose it.

I then decided to try BLINDLY using Option 1 for the other 6 problems.
Now I had 8 new problems. I did the same with these next 8 problems. It returned 4 new problems. I followed the same Option 1 choices. That took
me back to 8 new problems; then 7 new problems, then 4 new problems, then
3, and finally 2 new problems. Choosing Option 1 every time with these
last two problems, I finally got to the "GO-AHEAD" screen and now 1550+ upgrades. I said "YES" (Do it)

NOTE: I had no idea what I was doing, what I was deleting, nor what I was substituting.
At this point I was figuring: (1) I would save the Home Directory; (2)
Take note of my "Bread & Butter" programs; (3) Download the newest TW DVD; and do a blank HD upgrade of TW if things all fell apart.

Well, upon 'shutdown -r now' my login came up, my desktop screen, and upon checking my "Bread & Butter" programs, they all were working. Haven't
tried anything else though . . . .

I AM NOT NECESSARILY RECOMMENDING THIS, BUT THUS FAR IT WORKED FOR ME.

I assumed BLINDLY that possibly Option 1 was either the simplest, first thought of, or maybe the best option (???). (At one point in my early frustrations (4 problems) I tried the "breaking option," but discarded it when it produced 10 new problems.

So, for you wonderful 'Linux helpers' thanks for taking the time to
consider my frustrations. - TIME WILL TELL WHEN I GET THE NEXT BATCH OF SUGGESTED UPGRADES how my 'Blind Option 1' choices worked.

Grateful Thanks,
Paul

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On Mon, 15 May 2023 21:51:32 +0200, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

On 7 May 2023 00:25:23 GMT, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

Have you tested your Audio and Video capabilities? If you have been switching packages from Packman, that is where problems are liable to
occur.

My "Goto" program for that is "xine" which is still flawlessly playing professional DVD's. Still working :-)
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