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On 2025-07-05 20:28, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

My goal: On the same router x.x.x.16 (Tumbleweed) x.x.x.44 Leap15.6 to communicate via FTP

You asked the same question on alt.os.linux.suse. it is better to
crosspost, not to repeat the same question.

Now I have to paste my answer from there.

On Tumbleweed using Filezilla client

I know I need a server on at least one end: On Leap I was trying "pure- ftpd" server.  It claimed to be simple, but has many options (not explained). So I don't know how to set it up.

When started su on Leap /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd  The cursor disappears and until a ctrl-c, reappears so I assume it started.

You do not start a daemon on a terminal. You start it, possibly, by
starting the systemd service associated with it.

On filezilla contacting I get "can't reach server - EHOSTUNREACH

So, NO-GO  ----- Any help or wisdom out there?

Documentation is normally installed on "/usr/share/doc/packages/".

YaST has an ftp server module.

Try also here:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pure-FTPd


You should also have a look here:

<https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Documentation_List_of_Manuals>

The Reference book has a chapter on setting up an FTP server: <https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/leap/reference/html/book-reference/cha-ftp.html>

25 Setting up an FTP server with YaST #
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On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 22:05:55 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

You do not start a daemon on a terminal.

You can for debugging purposes. That way you see all the error messages immediately. A lot of server programs have the option “do not become a daemon”, specifically for this use.
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On 2025-07-08 02:29, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

On 7/5/25 11:28 AM, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

Now, the next problem: the server (pure-ftpd) is on LEAP and Client Filezilla is on Tumbleweed
(1) Client Filezilla on Tumbleweed (LocalSite) shows from "/" the whole filesystem & filestructure
(2) Server "pure-ftpd" is (Remote site) on LEAP computer. The call for

STOP.

Is this a remote computer? The connection is via internet?

Then stop the FTP server ASAP and switch to scp immediately.
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On 08/07/2025 12:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-08 02:29, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

On 7/5/25 11:28 AM, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

Now, the next problem: the server (pure-ftpd) is on LEAP and Client
Filezilla is on Tumbleweed
(1) Client Filezilla on Tumbleweed (LocalSite) shows from "/" the
whole filesystem & filestructure
(2) Server "pure-ftpd" is (Remote site) on LEAP computer. The call for

STOP.

Is this a remote computer? The connection is via internet?

Then stop the FTP server ASAP and switch to scp immediately.

Who made you God?
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into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.


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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 08/07/2025 12:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-08 02:29, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

On 7/5/25 11:28 AM, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

Now, the next problem: the server (pure-ftpd) is on LEAP and Client
Filezilla is on Tumbleweed
(1) Client Filezilla on Tumbleweed (LocalSite) shows from "/" the
whole filesystem & filestructure
(2) Server "pure-ftpd" is (Remote site) on LEAP computer. The call for

STOP.

Is this a remote computer? The connection is via internet?

Then stop the FTP server ASAP and switch to scp immediately.

Who made you God?

You are totally missing his point - FTP is insecure, an open door into a filesystem. Only run FTP on a world-accessible server if you *really*
know what you are doing.
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On 08/07/2025 15:28, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 08/07/2025 12:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-08 02:29, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

On 7/5/25 11:28 AM, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

Now, the next problem: the server (pure-ftpd) is on LEAP and Client
Filezilla is on Tumbleweed
(1) Client Filezilla on Tumbleweed (LocalSite) shows from "/" the
whole filesystem & filestructure
(2) Server "pure-ftpd" is (Remote site) on LEAP computer. The call for >>>

STOP.

Is this a remote computer? The connection is via internet?

Then stop the FTP server ASAP and switch to scp immediately.

Who made you God?

You are totally missing his point - FTP is insecure, an open door into a filesystem.-a Only run FTP on a world-accessible server if you *really*
know what you are doing.

I am not missing the point
You are

Who said it was world-accessible?
AFAICR it is internal to his LAN.
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On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 16:14:31 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Who said it was world-accessible?
AFAICR it is internal to his LAN.

Verbatim, from the OP:

My goal: On the same router x.x.x.16 (Tumbleweed) x.x.x.44

Always a thrill when the Very Concerned Security Experts don't bother
to check the context before jumping in to border-collie the Dangerously Insecure :/

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On 2025-07-08 17:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 08/07/2025 15:28, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 08/07/2025 12:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-08 02:29, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

On 7/5/25 11:28 AM, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

Now, the next problem: the server (pure-ftpd) is on LEAP and Client >>>>> Filezilla is on Tumbleweed
(1) Client Filezilla on Tumbleweed (LocalSite) shows from "/" the
whole filesystem & filestructure
(2) Server "pure-ftpd" is (Remote site) on LEAP computer. The call for .................................************

STOP.

Is this a remote computer? The connection is via internet?

Then stop the FTP server ASAP and switch to scp immediately.

Who made you God?

You are totally missing his point - FTP is insecure, an open door into
a filesystem.-a Only run FTP on a world-accessible server if you
*really* know what you are doing.

I am not missing the point
You are

Who said it was world-accessible?

He did.
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On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 08:58:30 -0700, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
wrote in <20250708085830.00001d31@gmail.com>:

On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 16:14:31 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Who said it was world-accessible?
AFAICR it is internal to his LAN.

Verbatim, from the OP:

My goal: On the same router x.x.x.16 (Tumbleweed) x.x.x.44

Always a thrill when the Very Concerned Security Experts don't bother
to check the context before jumping in to border-collie the Dangerously Insecure :/

If I may interject:

I suggest using the sftp client, which encrypts your traffic (including
login information), and should allow you to see the files.

You can also set it up to auto-login as "root" using an ssh key in
your key agent. Default setting (on Linux Mint) for /etc/ssh/sshd_config
is

PermitRootLogin prohibit-password

...which means you'll need to use a key to log in as
root, or change the setting.

Extra sidenote: if you ever set things up to ssh in remotely from off
the Net, you might want to run denyhosts or fail2ban.

(Thunar can open sftp connections directly, btw. Not sure about Dolphin.)
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On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 14:11:17 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Who made you God?

The irony of someone with a handle like yours saying that ...
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On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 16:14:31 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Who said it was world-accessible? AFAICR it is internal to his LAN.

If the LAN has a wi-fi router on it, then it might indeed be world-
accessible.

The assumption that your network has some kind of rCLperimeterrCY that it is sufficient to defend, to keep bad guys out, is looking pretty na|>ve these days.
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On 8 Jul 2025 21:39:00 GMT, vallor wrote:

(Thunar can open sftp connections directly, btw. Not sure about
Dolphin.)

Yes, Dolphin can add a folder using the sftp protocol.
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On 7/8/25 12:36 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-08 17:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 08/07/2025 15:28, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 08/07/2025 12:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-08 02:29, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

On 7/5/25 11:28 AM, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

Now, the next problem: the server (pure-ftpd) is on LEAP and
Client Filezilla is on Tumbleweed
(1) Client Filezilla on Tumbleweed (LocalSite) shows from "/" the >>>>>> whole filesystem & filestructure
(2) Server "pure-ftpd" is (Remote site) on LEAP computer. The call >>>>>> for

.................................************

STOP.

Is this a remote computer? The connection is via internet?

Then stop the FTP server ASAP and switch to scp immediately.

Who made you God?

You are totally missing his point - FTP is insecure, an open door
into a filesystem.-a Only run FTP on a world-accessible server if you
*really* know what you are doing.

I am not missing the point
You are

Who said it was world-accessible?

He did.

Please Note: The two computers are in two separate rooms in the same
house and on the same home fiber router (192.168.x.x) The intent is to
share files internally for time spent to move them and then shut off the
FTP. No outside use at all.
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On 2025-07-09 03:23, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

On 7/8/25 12:36 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-08 17:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 08/07/2025 15:28, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:

Who said it was world-accessible?

He did.

Please Note: The two computers are in two separate rooms in the same
house and on the same home fiber router (192.168.x.x)-a The intent is to share files internally for time spent to move them and then shut off the FTP.-a No outside use at all.

Ok, thanks for the clarification, the remote computer is in fact local.


That said, as you are using openSUSE, and if you actually do want FTP,
the easiest route is using the tool YaST to install and configure an FTP server, which is vsftpd. And you have a well written book chapter to
help you along:

<https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/leap/reference/html/book-reference/cha-ftp.html>


Otherwise, it is far easier to use ssh type tools. You don't have to
install nor setup anything, they are already installed (as long as you
replied "YES" to the question during system install to install and run sshdrU+-|rU+).

scp (1) - OpenSSH secure file copy

As simple as doing:

scp username@from_host:file.txt /local/directory/

You have more examples on <https://linuxblog.io/linux-securely-copy-files-using-scp/>, for instance.


Or you can use:

sftp rCo OpenSSH secure file transfer


Which is a client tool similar in use to ftp. Again, you don't need to configure the server (the "remote" machine in your parlance). There are
GUI file browsers that can present you with sftp transparently. Or a TUI
like 'mc'.


Finally, there is "sshfs". Again, no configuration on the server, at
all. In the client, you run:

sshfs NAME@192.168.1.14:/ ~/fusermount/

Where the directory "fusermount" or anyother name you choose must exist
and should be empty. The root filesystem (or any other) of the server
machine appears insude ~/fusermount/

When finished, you run:

fusermount -u ~/fusermount

to severe the connection when finished. The advantage of this tool is
that you can point any tool to ~/fusermount in order to use files as if
they are local. Any tool, like LibreOffice, for instance.


All these tools from the ssh family have the advantage of not needing
any configuration, aside from answering YES during the initial system installation. It is a single tcp port, the 22. And the connection is encrypted, it is Internet safe.


(1) <https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/leap/startup/html/book-startup/art-opensuse-installquick.html#sec-opensuse-installquick-install>
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On 09/07/2025 02:23, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

On 7/8/25 12:36 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-08 17:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 08/07/2025 15:28, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 08/07/2025 12:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-07-08 02:29, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

On 7/5/25 11:28 AM, Paul R Schmidtbleicher wrote:

Now, the next problem: the server (pure-ftpd) is on LEAP and
Client Filezilla is on Tumbleweed
(1) Client Filezilla on Tumbleweed (LocalSite) shows from "/" the >>>>>>> whole filesystem & filestructure
(2) Server "pure-ftpd" is (Remote site) on LEAP computer. The
call for

.................................************

STOP.

Is this a remote computer? The connection is via internet?

Then stop the FTP server ASAP and switch to scp immediately.

Who made you God?

You are totally missing his point - FTP is insecure, an open door
into a filesystem.-a Only run FTP on a world-accessible server if you >>>> *really* know what you are doing.

I am not missing the point
You are

Who said it was world-accessible?

He did.

Please Note: The two computers are in two separate rooms in the same
house and on the same home fiber router (192.168.x.x)-a The intent is to share files internally for time spent to move them and then shut off the FTP.-a No outside use at all.

Thank you. That is what I understood from the get go. Security not
involved. Justsimplicity of setup

Personally here I use NFS as its an all linux house.
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Paul R Schmidtbleicher <prschmi@attglobal.net> wrote:

Please Note: The two computers are in two separate rooms in the same
house and on the same home fiber router (192.168.x.x) The intent is to >share files internally for time spent to move them and then shut off the >FTP. No outside use at all.

The transfer via ssh/rsync would have been over in the time you had
written your internal request. Don't ever use ftp. It's insecure,
clumsy, and hard to configure. We have the 2020ies now.

Greetings
Marc
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