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From the "man" page:

/pattern
Search forward in the file for the N-th line containing the pattern. N defaults to 1.
The pattern is a regular expression, as recognized by the regular expression library sup-
plied by your system. By default, searching is case-sensitive (uppercase and lowercase
are considered different); the -i option can be used to change this. The search starts
at the first line displayed (but see the -a and -j options, which change this).

I'm running Leap 15.6 (which is where that man page extract came from)
and noticed that my searches are case-insensitive. Of course I do not
have -i set but it is possible that OpenSUSE generously sets that option
for me via an alias.
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On 2025-02-11 09:44, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:

From the "man" page:

/pattern
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Search forward in the file for the N-th line containing
the pattern.-a N-a defaults-a to-a 1.
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a The pattern is a regular expression, as recognized by
the regular expression library sup-
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a plied by your system.-a By default, searching is case-
sensitive (uppercase-a and-a lowercase
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a are-a considered-a different); the -i option can be used
to change this.-a The search starts
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a at the first line displayed (but see the -a and -j
options, which change this).

And where do you enter that 'N'?
First time I read this.

I'm running Leap 15.6 (which is where that man page extract came from)
and noticed that my searches are case-insensitive.-a Of course I do not
have -i set but it is possible that OpenSUSE generously sets that option
for me via an alias.

Searches have always been case insensitive inside less, for decades (in *suse). Since ever. It is the first time I see some one saying they are
not (the manual).

There are a lot of environment variables mentioned in the manual at the end.

cer@Laicolasse:~> set | grep LESS
LESS='-M -I -R'
LESSCLOSE='lessclose.sh %s %s'
LESSKEY=/etc/lesskey.bin
LESSOPEN='lessopen.sh %s'
LESS_ADVANCED_PREPROCESSOR=no
cer@Laicolasse:~>

There you have.

-M or --LONG-PROMPT
Causes less to prompt even more verbose-
ly than more(1).

-I or --IGNORE-CASE
Like -i, but searches ignore case even
if the pattern contains uppercase let-
ters.

-i or --ignore-case
Causes searches to ignore case; that is,
uppercase and lowercase are considered
identical. This option is ignored if
any uppercase letters appear in the
search pattern; in other words, if a
pattern contains uppercase letters, then
that search does not ignore case.

-R or --RAW-CONTROL-CHARS
Like -r, but only ANSI "color" escape
sequences and OSC 8 hyperlink sequences
are output in "raw" form. Unlike -r,
the screen appearance is maintained cor-
rectly, provided that there are no es-
cape sequences in the file other than
these types of escape sequences. Color
escape sequences are only supported when
the color is changed within one line,
not across lines. In other words, the
beginning of each line is assumed to be
normal (non-colored), regardless of any
escape sequences in previous lines. For
the purpose of keeping track of screen
appearance, these escape sequences are
assumed to not move the cursor.

OSC 8 hyperlinks are sequences of the
form:

ESC ] 8 ; ... \7

The terminating sequence may be either a
BEL character (\7) or the two-character
sequence "ESC \".

ANSI color escape sequences are se-
quences of the form:

ESC [ ... m

where the "..." is zero or more color
specification characters. You can make
less think that characters other than
"m" can end ANSI color escape sequences
by setting the environment variable
LESSANSIENDCHARS to the list of charac-
ters which can end a color escape se-
quence. And you can make less think
that characters other than the standard
ones may appear between the ESC and the
m by setting the environment variable
LESSANSIMIDCHARS to the list of charac-
ters which can appear.

-r or --raw-control-chars
Causes "raw" control characters to be
displayed. The default is to display
control characters using the caret nota-
tion; for example, a control-A (octal
001) is displayed as "^A" (with some ex-
ceptions as described under the -U op-
tion). Warning: when the -r option is
used, less cannot keep track of the ac-
tual appearance of the screen (since
this depends on how the screen responds
to each type of control character).
Thus, various display problems may re-
sult, such as long lines being split in
the wrong place.

USE OF THE -r OPTION IS NOT RECOMMENDED.
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On 2025-02-11 at 13:41 Carlos E.R. wrote:

-aFrom the "man" page:

/pattern
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Search forward in the file for the N-th line containing the
pattern.-a N-a defaults-a to-a 1.
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a The pattern is a regular expression, as recognized by the
regular expression library sup-
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a plied by your system.-a By default, searching is case-
sensitive (uppercase-a and-a lowercase
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a are-a considered-a different); the -i option can be used to
change this.-a The search starts
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a at the first line displayed (but see the -a and -j options,
which change this).

And where do you enter that 'N'?
First time I read this.

From the top of the "man" page:

DESCRIPTION
[rCa] Commands may be preceded by a decimal number, called N in
the descriptions below. The number is used by some commands,
as indicated.


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On 2025-02-11 15:00, marrgol wrote:

On 2025-02-11 at 13:41 Carlos E.R. wrote:

-aFrom the "man" page:

/pattern
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Search forward in the file for the N-th line containing the
pattern.-a N-a defaults-a to-a 1.
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a The pattern is a regular expression, as recognized by the
regular expression library sup-
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a plied by your system.-a By default, searching is case-
sensitive (uppercase-a and-a lowercase
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a are-a considered-a different); the -i option can be used to
change this.-a The search starts
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a at the first line displayed (but see the -a and -j options,
which change this).

And where do you enter that 'N'?
First time I read this.

From the top of the "man" page:

DESCRIPTION
[rCa] Commands may be preceded by a decimal number, called N in
the descriptions below. The number is used by some commands,
as indicated.

Ah, thanks :-)
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Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-02-11 09:44, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:

-aFrom the "man" page:

/pattern
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Search forward in the file for the N-th line containing
the pattern.-a N-a defaults-a to-a 1.
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a The pattern is a regular expression, as recognized by
the regular expression library sup-
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a plied by your system.-a By default, searching is case-
sensitive (uppercase-a and-a lowercase
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a are-a considered-a different); the -i option can be used
to change this.-a The search starts
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a at the first line displayed (but see the -a and -j
options, which change this).

And where do you enter that 'N'?
First time I read this.

I'm running Leap 15.6 (which is where that man page extract came from)
and noticed that my searches are case-insensitive.-a Of course I do not
have -i set but it is possible that OpenSUSE generously sets that
option for me via an alias.

Searches have always been case insensitive inside less, for decades (in *suse). Since ever. It is the first time I see some one saying they are
not (the manual).

There are a lot of environment variables mentioned in the manual at the
end.

cer@Laicolasse:~> set | grep LESS
LESS='-M -I -R'
LESSCLOSE='lessclose.sh %s %s'
LESSKEY=/etc/lesskey.bin
LESSOPEN='lessopen.sh %s'
LESS_ADVANCED_PREPROCESSOR=no
cer@Laicolasse:~>

There you have.

-a-a-a-a-a-a -M or --LONG-PROMPT
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Causes less to prompt even more verbose-
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a ly than more(1).

-a-a-a-a-a-a -I or --IGNORE-CASE
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Like-a -i,-a but searches ignore case even
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a if the pattern contains-a uppercase-a let-
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a ters.

-a-a-a-a-a-a -i or --ignore-case
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Causes searches to ignore case; that is,
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a uppercase and lowercase-a are-a considered
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a identical.-a-a This-a option-a is ignored if
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a any-a uppercase-a letters-a appear-a in-a the
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a search-a pattern;-a in-a other-a words, if a
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a pattern contains uppercase letters, then
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a that search does not ignore case.

-a-a-a-a-a-a -R or --RAW-CONTROL-CHARS
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Like -r, but only-a ANSI-a "color"-a escape
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a sequences-a and OSC 8 hyperlink sequences
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a are output in "raw"-a form.-a-a Unlike-a -r,
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a the screen appearance is maintained cor-
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a rectly, provided that there are-a no-a es-
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a cape-a sequences-a in-a the file other than
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a these types of escape sequences.-a-a Color
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a escape sequences are only supported when
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a the color is changed-a within-a one-a line,
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a not-a across-a lines.-a In other words, the
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a beginning of each line is assumed to-a be
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a normal-a (non-colored), regardless of any
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a escape sequences in previous lines.-a For
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a the-a purpose-a of keeping track of screen
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a appearance, these escape-a sequences-a are
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a assumed to not move the cursor.

-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a OSC-a 8-a hyperlinks-a are sequences of the
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a form:

-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a ESC ] 8 ; ... \7

-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a The terminating sequence may be either a
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a BEL-a character (\7) or the two-character
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a sequence "ESC \".

-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a ANSI-a color-a escape-a sequences-a are-a se-
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a quences of the form:

-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a ESC [ ... m

-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a where-a the-a "..."-a is zero or more color
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a specification characters.-a You can-a make
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a less-a think-a that-a characters other than
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a "m" can end ANSI color escape-a sequences
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a by-a-a setting-a the-a environment-a variable
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a LESSANSIENDCHARS to the list of-a charac-
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a ters-a which-a can-a end a color escape se-
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a quence.-a And you-a can-a make-a less-a think
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a that-a characters other than the standard
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a ones may appear between the ESC and-a the
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a m-a by-a setting-a the environment variable
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a LESSANSIMIDCHARS to the list of-a charac-
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a ters which can appear.

-a-a-a-a-a-a -r or --raw-control-chars
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Causes-a "raw"-a control-a characters to be
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a displayed.-a The default-a is-a to-a display
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a control characters using the caret nota-
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a tion; for example,-a a-a control-A-a (octal
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a 001) is displayed as "^A" (with some ex-
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a ceptions as described under the-a -U-a op-
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a tion).-a-a Warning:-a when the -r option is
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a used, less cannot keep track of the-a ac-
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a tual-a appearance-a of-a the-a screen (since
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a this depends on how the screen-a responds
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a to-a each-a type-a of-a control-a character).
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Thus, various display problems-a may-a re-
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a sult,-a such as long lines being split in
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a the wrong place.

-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a USE OF THE -r OPTION IS NOT RECOMMENDED.

SUSE (and openSUSE) appear to be outliers here, here is a complaint from
2014: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/116395/less-searches-are-always-case-insensitive

https://linuxhandbook.com/search-less-command/ and https://linuxopsys.com/less-command-cheat-sheet
are clearly using other distributions and they claim things work the way
"man less" documents them.

You identified the
LESS='-M -I -R'
line and that is to be the problem. The other two options make perfect
sense.
I edited .profile, specifying
export LESS="-M -R"
and that changed the behaviour (after a reboot). Thank you.
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On 2025-02-12 18:33, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2025-02-11 09:44, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:

-aFrom the "man" page:

...

SUSE (and openSUSE) appear to be outliers here, here is a complaint from 2014: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/116395/less-searches-are- always-case-insensitive

Why did he not ask on the openSUSE mail list? He would have found the
reason at least. I was there, too. Same as I found out how it was done I
would have found 10 years ago.

https://linuxhandbook.com/search-less-command/-a-a-a and https://linuxopsys.com/less-command-cheat-sheet
are clearly using other distributions and they claim things work the way "man less" documents them.

You identified the
-a-a LESS='-M -I -R'
line and that is to be the problem.-a The other two options make perfect sense.
I edited .profile, specifying
-a-a-a export LESS="-M -R"
and that changed the behaviour (after a reboot).-a Thank you.

You can ask in the mail list and reach the people that did this (unless
they are no longer there or died or something). Or, directly create a
bugzilla asking that the action be reversed.
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Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-02-12 18:33, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-02-11 09:44, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
From the "man" page:

....

SUSE (and openSUSE) appear to be outliers here, here is a complaint from
2014: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/116395/less-searches-are-
always-case-insensitive

Why did he not ask on the openSUSE mail list? He would have found the
reason at least. I was there, too. Same as I found out how it was done I would have found 10 years ago.

https://linuxhandbook.com/search-less-command/ and
https://linuxopsys.com/less-command-cheat-sheet
are clearly using other distributions and they claim things work the way
"man less" documents them.

You identified the
LESS='-M -I -R'
line and that is to be the problem. The other two options make perfect
sense.
I edited .profile, specifying
export LESS="-M -R"
and that changed the behaviour (after a reboot). Thank you.

You can ask in the mail list and reach the people that did this (unless
they are no longer there or died or something). Or, directly create a bugzilla asking that the action be reversed.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Where does one access the mail list?


This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=683624946#683624946
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On 2025-02-12 23:40, MummyChunk wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-02-12 18:33, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-02-11 09:44, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
From the "man" page:

You can ask in the mail list and reach the people that did this (unless
they are no longer there or died or something). Or, directly create a
bugzilla asking that the action be reversed.

Where does one access the mail list?

<https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/>

The main one is "users@lists.opensuse.org"

Instructions: <https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Communication_channels>
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