• Update to Leap 16.0 (from 15.6)

    From R Daneel Olivaw@Danni@hyperspace.vogon.gov to alt.os.linux.suse on Fri Oct 3 17:26:51 2025
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    I've always downloaded the .iso image but this no longer works for Update. https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade has the details and I'm
    testing it out now.
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  • From R Daneel Olivaw@Danni@hyperspace.vogon.gov to alt.os.linux.suse on Fri Oct 3 18:06:52 2025
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    R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
    I've always downloaded the .iso image but this no longer works for Update. https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade has the details and I'm
    testing it out now.

    Did the update
    Reboot

    It says it's using Wayland, although I could change that (persistently,
    over a reboot)
    My password no longer works (although the user account is correct)
    I can't get to the machine (on my local network) using ping or ssh

    After a few wrong-password attempts it is no longer accepting input.

    Rebooting via the Reset button worked, but did not fix the "not
    accepting input" problem. At least I could input my password as a
    Username and confirm that the keyboard is working correctly.

    I can't even close the machine down cleanly.

    I am not particularly happy with the way this has gone, luckily it's my test/backup machine. Going on holiday tomorrow so I have time for
    inspiration to strike.
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  • From Malcolm@malcolmlewis@linuxmail.org.invalid to alt.os.linux.suse on Fri Oct 3 11:58:25 2025
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    On Fri, 3 Oct 2025 18:06:52 +0200
    R Daneel Olivaw <Danni@hyperspace.vogon.gov> wrote:

    R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
    I've always downloaded the .iso image but this no longer works for
    Update. https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade has the details
    and I'm testing it out now.

    Did the update
    Reboot

    It says it's using Wayland, although I could change that
    (persistently, over a reboot)
    My password no longer works (although the user account is correct)
    I can't get to the machine (on my local network) using ping or ssh

    After a few wrong-password attempts it is no longer accepting input.

    Rebooting via the Reset button worked, but did not fix the "not
    accepting input" problem. At least I could input my password as a
    Username and confirm that the keyboard is working correctly.

    I can't even close the machine down cleanly.

    I am not particularly happy with the way this has gone, luckily it's
    my test/backup machine. Going on holiday tomorrow so I have time for inspiration to strike.
    Hi
    Many things have changed and the migration tool is what is being
    recommended AFAIK, likewise repo naming changes etc...

    <https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade_to_Leap_16.0> <https://github.com/openSUSE/opensuse-migration-tool>
    --
    Cheers Malcolm -#-+-# (Linux Counter #276890)
    Tumbleweed 20251002 | GNOME Shell 49.0 | 6.17.0-1-default
    HP Z440 | Xeon E5-2695 V4 X36 @ 2.10GHz | ARC A380 & RTX4000
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  • From R Daneel Olivaw@Danni@hyperspace.vogon.gov to alt.os.linux.suse on Fri Oct 3 20:22:23 2025
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    Malcolm wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Oct 2025 18:06:52 +0200
    R Daneel Olivaw <Danni@hyperspace.vogon.gov> wrote:

    R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
    I've always downloaded the .iso image but this no longer works for
    Update. https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade has the details
    and I'm testing it out now.

    Did the update
    Reboot

    It says it's using Wayland, although I could change that
    (persistently, over a reboot)
    My password no longer works (although the user account is correct)
    I can't get to the machine (on my local network) using ping or ssh

    After a few wrong-password attempts it is no longer accepting input.

    Rebooting via the Reset button worked, but did not fix the "not
    accepting input" problem. At least I could input my password as a
    Username and confirm that the keyboard is working correctly.

    I can't even close the machine down cleanly.

    I am not particularly happy with the way this has gone, luckily it's
    my test/backup machine. Going on holiday tomorrow so I have time for
    inspiration to strike.
    Hi
    Many things have changed and the migration tool is what is being
    recommended AFAIK, likewise repo naming changes etc...

    <https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade_to_Leap_16.0> <https://github.com/openSUSE/opensuse-migration-tool>


    I used the migration tool, not one of the other methods suggested.
    What I do not understand is why my normal login did not work, and it's
    not a qwerty/qwertz problem.
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.os.linux.suse on Fri Oct 3 20:36:47 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.suse

    On 2025-10-03 20:22, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:

    ...

    I used the migration tool, not one of the other methods suggested.
    What I do not understand is why my normal login did not work, and it's
    not a qwerty/qwertz problem.

    Maybe try a text console?

    Both as user and as root.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From R Daneel Olivaw@Danni@hyperspace.vogon.gov to alt.os.linux.suse on Fri Oct 3 21:53:40 2025
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    Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-10-03 20:22, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:

    ...

    I used the migration tool, not one of the other methods suggested.
    What I do not understand is why my normal login did not work, and it's
    not a qwerty/qwertz problem.

    Maybe try a text console?

    Both as user and as root.


    Leep 16.0 seems to be set up to prevent that, I tried all the virtual
    consoles and nothing doing.
    Now I'm trying the Rescue System boot.
    I'm in but am not sure what to do next, it's been many years since I've
    needed a rescue system.

    I'm going on holiday tomorrow so anything which does not get sorted this evening is going to have to wait over a week.
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.os.linux.suse on Sat Oct 4 21:47:34 2025
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    On 2025-10-03 21:53, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
    Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-10-03 20:22, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:

    ...

    I used the migration tool, not one of the other methods suggested.
    What I do not understand is why my normal login did not work, and
    it's not a qwerty/qwertz problem.

    Maybe try a text console?

    Both as user and as root.


    Leep 16.0 seems to be set up to prevent that, I tried all the virtual consoles and nothing doing.users@lists.opensuse.org
    Now I'm trying the Rescue System boot.
    I'm in but am not sure what to do next, it's been many years since I've needed a rescue system.

    I'm going on holiday tomorrow so anything which does not get sorted this evening is going to have to wait over a week.

    Sorry, I can't help. I am delaying installation of any 16.0 till I see
    how it goes for people. One day I will install a virtual machine. I may
    try an upgrade of a clone of a previous virtual machine.

    I would suggest you ask at the openSUSE mail list
    users@lists.opensuse.org or at the install webforum

    Maybe selinux is involved, but you can not disable/remove it unless you
    login.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From R Daneel Olivaw@Danni@hyperspace.vogon.gov to alt.os.linux.suse on Wed Oct 15 18:46:55 2025
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    Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-10-03 21:53, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
    Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-10-03 20:22, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:

    ...

    I used the migration tool, not one of the other methods suggested.
    What I do not understand is why my normal login did not work, and
    it's not a qwerty/qwertz problem.

    Maybe try a text console?

    Both as user and as root.


    Leep 16.0 seems to be set up to prevent that, I tried all the virtual
    consoles and nothing doing.users@lists.opensuse.org
    Now I'm trying the Rescue System boot.
    I'm in but am not sure what to do next, it's been many years since
    I've needed a rescue system.

    I'm going on holiday tomorrow so anything which does not get sorted
    this evening is going to have to wait over a week.

    Sorry, I can't help. I am delaying installation of any 16.0 till I see
    how it goes for people. One day I will install a virtual machine. I may
    try an upgrade of a clone of a previous virtual machine.

    I would suggest you ask at the openSUSE mail list
    users@lists.opensuse.org or at the install webforum

    Maybe selinux is involved, but you can not disable/remove it unless you login.



    I tried the appropriate irc channel (the General support channel) and
    tried to implement the suggestions, "tried" because I ceased being any
    kind of expert years ago and even have problems getting the rescue
    system to be helpful nowadays.
    Today I found my Leap 15.6 install dvd and did an "Upgrade" from 16.0 to
    15.6, it complained in a couple of places but the system worked
    immediately and I just had to add Packman and the Seamonkey browser.

    My user-account works as it should. If anything else does not, I've
    fixed those problems before and should know what to do now.
    I had assumed that the irc channel had a log in the same way as the
    -admin one does so I could work on the suggestions at my leisure. It
    does not - cousin-luigi's suggestions are now lost to me.

    One day I'll have another go, but it is unlikely to be soon.
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.os.linux.suse on Wed Oct 15 22:50:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.suse

    On 2025-10-15 18:46, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
    One day I'll have another go, but it is unlikely to be soon.

    I don't like 16.0. I haven't done any upgrade yet. I read on the mail
    list and try to learn from what people are saying. I hope 16.1 gets better.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From R Daneel Olivaw@Danni@hyperspace.vogon.gov to alt.os.linux.suse on Thu Oct 16 11:05:36 2025
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    Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-10-15 18:46, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
    One day I'll have another go, but it is unlikely to be soon.

    I don't like 16.0. I haven't done any upgrade yet. I read on the mail
    list and try to learn from what people are saying. I hope 16.1 gets better.


    I have an older machine with a Ryzen 3 3200G and use it to test things
    like this, it also serves as a backup device for selected directories
    under /home from my main machine.
    The only thing I *really* don't like about 16.0 is that it's unuseable
    on that system, any further comments will have to wait until I get it going. The config on that system is a bit arcane so maybe I should list the non-standard stuff (including the partitioning) and do an actual
    installation there, possibly after having made another attempt to apply
    the update. On the other hand, insanity is repeating the same steps
    while expecting a different outcome.
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  • From Malcolm@malcolmlewis@linuxmail.org.invalid to alt.os.linux.suse on Thu Oct 16 07:28:11 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.suse

    On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 11:05:36 +0200
    R Daneel Olivaw <Danni@hyperspace.vogon.gov> wrote:

    Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-10-15 18:46, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
    One day I'll have another go, but it is unlikely to be soon.

    I don't like 16.0. I haven't done any upgrade yet. I read on the
    mail list and try to learn from what people are saying. I hope 16.1
    gets better.


    I have an older machine with a Ryzen 3 3200G and use it to test
    things like this, it also serves as a backup device for selected
    directories under /home from my main machine.
    The only thing I *really* don't like about 16.0 is that it's
    unuseable on that system, any further comments will have to wait
    until I get it going. The config on that system is a bit arcane so
    maybe I should list the non-standard stuff (including the
    partitioning) and do an actual installation there, possibly after
    having made another attempt to apply the update. On the other hand,
    insanity is repeating the same steps while expecting a different
    outcome.
    Use the upstream migration tool as the developers are fixing things...
    like the v2 minimum checks..

    I'm setting up new systems, so fresh installs... zero issues so far, I
    use hardware RAID, but did setup software RAID, that required some
    command line foo...
    --
    Cheers Malcolm -#-+-# (Linux Counter #276890)
    Tumbleweed 20251014 | GNOME Shell 49.0 | 6.17.1-1-default
    HP Z440 | Xeon E5-2695 V4 X36 @ 2.10GHz | ARC A380 & RTX4000
    up 18:15, 2 users, load average: 0.31, 0.43, 0.36

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