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Hello!

Debian provides needrestart, RedHat/Fedora provides needs-restarting to
detect which daemons need to be restarted after updating certain
packages (e.g. including libraries).

Is there such a software for Slackware?
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On Wed, 02 Sep 2026 09:04:21 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

Hello!

Debian provides needrestart, RedHat/Fedora provides needs-restarting to detect which daemons need to be restarted after updating certain
packages (e.g. including libraries).

Is there such a software for Slackware?

Debian 12 doesnt, we have bind on freepbx box and everytime debian
updates it, bind dies due to permissions, nevfer lets me know in fact o
nly time it tells me it needs it is when a kernel update gets installed,
that said, slackware gets rather upset too with bind updates, because we
force user "named"
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Am 02.09.26 um 14:05 schrieb noel:

On Wed, 02 Sep 2026 09:04:21 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

Hello!

Debian provides needrestart, RedHat/Fedora provides needs-restarting to
detect which daemons need to be restarted after updating certain
packages (e.g. including libraries).

Is there such a software for Slackware?

Debian 12 doesnt, we have bind on freepbx box and everytime debian
updates it, bind dies due to permissions, nevfer lets me know in fact o
nly time it tells me it needs it is when a kernel update gets installed,
that said, slackware gets rather upset too with bind updates, because we force user "named"

Debian stable provides needrestart. Although it maybe needs to be
installed manually.

I have bind9 on 2 Debian machines, apt upgrades work fine and bind does
not crash, the old version still runs until the new one is started.
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Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> writes:

Is there such a software for Slackware?

If you use slackpkg, and on Current at least, you'll see entries in a
file like this:
/usr/libexec/slackpkgrY#rLore+ grep needs *
core-functions.sh:# The /var/run/needs_restarting file contains the list of upgraded
core-functions.sh:function needs_restarting() {
core-functions.sh: awk -F/ '{ print $NF }' >> $ROOT/var/run/needs_restarting
core-functions.sh: needs_restarting

What I do is watch for the internet-facing services and just restart
those if I see them mentioned in the ChangeLog. Everything else will
update on the next reload. Obviously glibc and kernels are a different
case.
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Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> -Y-#-+-+-U-#-+ -# -U-+-+-#-e-|-+-+-+:

Debian provides needrestart, RedHat/Fedora provides needs-restarting to detect which daemons need to be restarted after updating certain
packages (e.g. including libraries).
Is there such a software for Slackware?

Hi, Marco!
I don't know. I installed slackware 15 without X and use it as a
fido node. I'm still afraid to update it :)))
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Am 02.09.26 um 17:07 schrieb Ivan Zelenyi:

I don't know. I installed slackware 15 without X and use it as a
fido node. I'm still afraid to update it :)))

This is rather risky, as certain packages received security-related patches.

I run Slackware 15 and update it very time updates are released.

Why are you afraid of doing that?
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Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote:

Hello!

Debian provides needrestart, RedHat/Fedora provides needs-restarting to detect which daemons need to be restarted after updating certain
packages (e.g. including libraries).

Is there such a software for Slackware?

Those systems use systemd, on Slackware it would be rather
easy to do this using a shell script. A quick example:

for rc in `find /etc/rc.d -type f -executable -name 'rc.*' \
| egrep -v 'list of files to bypass'`
do
$rc status
#--- examine results
done

That is a quick example and you will need to bypass some
rc files. Or you can just query the ones you care about.
But it assumes all rc files support option 'status'.
I know /etc/rc.d/rc.gpm does not support that option.

Another possible option, but I never tried this.
Via /etc/inittab you can add entries to that file for
items you are concerned about. Using the console entries
as a template. I do not know if that will work or if
even possible.
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Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> -Y-#-+-+-U-#-+ -# -U-+-+-#-e-|-+-+-+:

This is rather risky, as certain packages received security-related patches. I run Slackware 15 and update it very time updates are released.
Why are you afraid of doing that?

I'm wondering if I can continue to download the kernel update if
there is a sudden disconnection while downloading the
update.
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On Wed, 02 Sep 2026 21:01:11 +0500, Ivan Zelenyi wrote:

I'm wondering if I can continue to download the kernel update if
there is a sudden disconnection while downloading the update.

Usually when installing or upgrading packages the right way to do it is:

1) Download the packages together with their .txt and .asc files

2) Use gpg and the .asc files to verify the contents of the packages. For
this you need the public Slackware GPG-KEY file which can be downloaded
by ftp, or even better, copied from an old official installation media if
you happen to have Slackware 14.2 or older DVD/CDROM.

3) Install or upgrade those files which were verified successfully by gpg.

If any file fails the GPG verification, try to download again, maybe from another mirror.

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Ivan Zelenyi <iz264279@gmail.com> wrote:

Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> -Y-#-+-+-U-#-+ -# -U-+-+-#-e-|-+-+-+:

This is rather risky, as certain packages received security-related
patches. I run Slackware 15 and update it very time updates are
released. Why are you afraid of doing that?

I'm wondering if I can continue to download the kernel update if
there is a sudden disconnection while downloading the update.

That's not a Slackware issue at all. That 100% depends upon what tool
you use to download. Some support restarting partial downloads at the
spot where they ended, others simply start downloading the whole file
all over again.
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Rich <rich@example.invalid> -Y-#-+-+-U-#-+ -# -U-+-+-#-e-|-+-+-+:

That's not a Slackware issue at all. That 100% depends upon what tool
you use to download. Some support restarting partial downloads at the
spot where they ended, others simply start downloading the whole file
all over again.

Yes, it's not a slackware problem. I'll try again to thoroughly
prepare for updating software packages and libraries.


In years past, I used slackware 14.2 on another old computer and
updated it via 4G mobile internet =))

I use an old computer with 768 MB RAM and a pentium 4 processor
for my fido node. In slackware 15, golded, husky, binkd,
fetchmail, procmail, nftables, mutt work perfectly. Also in the
near future I will try i2pd (from slackbuilds).
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Am 02.09.26 um 18:01 schrieb Ivan Zelenyi:

I'm wondering if I can continue to download the kernel update if
there is a sudden disconnection while downloading the
update.

This is done using wget via slackpkg.
If the process interrupts, it will try to start where it ended and if
that fails, it starts at the beginning.
At the end, the downloaded packages are checked against the checksum and
the PGP signature, so if it is faulty, it won't be installed.
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Am 02.09.26 um 17:50 schrieb John McCue:

Those systems use systemd, on Slackware it would be rather
easy to do this using a shell script. A quick example:

I have doubt. The script you posted does not check if programs use
libraries that were updated at all.
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On Wed, 02 Sep 2026 14:23:19 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

Debian stable provides needrestart. Although it maybe needs to be
installed manually.

I have bind9 on 2 Debian machines, apt upgrades work fine and bind does
not crash, the old version still runs until the new one is started.

and it tells you bind needs restarting? not just a restart for new kernel?
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Am 03.09.26 um 05:51 schrieb noel:

On Wed, 02 Sep 2026 14:23:19 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

Debian stable provides needrestart. Although it maybe needs to be
installed manually.

I have bind9 on 2 Debian machines, apt upgrades work fine and bind does
not crash, the old version still runs until the new one is started.

and it tells you bind needs restarting? not just a restart for new kernel?

needrestart tells you if bind needs to be restarted and also offers to
do it.
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On Wed, 2 Sep 2026 09:04:21 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

Hello!

Debian provides needrestart, RedHat/Fedora provides needs-restarting to detect which daemons need to be restarted after updating certain
packages (e.g. including libraries).

Is there such a software for Slackware?

Hello, perhaps you didn't need this, but I had to chime in:

I shutdown and restart my computer daily. It helps me to keep the
computer fresh and my skills current.

This is especially so, because I have modified my Slackware. I call it
Zombie Silas. Silas refers to the "recipe" I follow when installing
Slackware 15.0 to an internal drive. I call this the "Basis". Using a
script, at $lib/Zombie/install, I run rsync to first clone the Basis to a flashdrive, then modify the installation on the flashdrive. This
modification makes it bootable plus other changes.

One of these "other" changes is configuring it to wipe and remake the
home directory at each boot. This cleans it out, then puts back, what is
is needed.

$lib/Zombie/install runs within my SAM (Simple ASCII Menus) framework. https://rosevearsoftware.com/products/sam/get https://rosevearsoftware.com/products/sam/libraries/Zombie

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Am 03.09.26 um 10:43 schrieb Joseph Rosevear:

I shutdown and restart my computer daily.

I operate some servers and that is not a good option here. I only want
to do a full system restart if needed, e.g. for kernel updates.
Otherwise restarts of daemons are sufficient.
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On 2026-09-02, Marco Moock wrote:

Debian provides needrestart, RedHat/Fedora provides needs-restarting
to detect which daemons need to be restarted after updating certain
packages (e.g. including libraries).

Is there such a software for Slackware?

This may be more (manual work) than what you're looking for, but usually
when I suspect that something may be misbehaving following an update,
I check with lsof to see if it's holding any deleted files open,
and manually restart if so.

Adapting that idea to something that could be used as part of the patch
routine might look like (perhaps at least start out looking like) this:

; lsof | grep -wis del | awk '{print $2}' | sort -u | xargs -r ps |\
awk '{$2=$3=$4=""; print substr($0, 1, 72)}'
PID COMMAND
1021 /sbin/haveged -w 1024 -v 1 -p /var/run/haveged.pid
1499 /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 -name guest=...
1530 /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 -name guest=...
1559 /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 -name guest=...
21031 /local/bin/cf-execd
21042 /local/bin/cf-serverd
29970 /local/bin/cf-monitord

I do not promise to have considered every possibility, but I think that something like the above could be a good place to start. I hope that it
helps.
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On Thu, 3 Sep 2026 12:28:34 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

Am 03.09.26 um 10:43 schrieb Joseph Rosevear:

I shutdown and restart my computer daily.

I operate some servers and that is not a good option here. I only want
to do a full system restart if needed, e.g. for kernel updates.
Otherwise restarts of daemons are sufficient.

Ah. So I chatted with duck.ai about this just now. We got "off in the sticks", but here is where it landed:

vvv
Me: Thanks for that. Need coffee. (Just kidding. I avoid caffeine, but
this is getting really abstract!)

Duck: Quite understandablerCowerCOve gone from rCLshould I reboot?rCY to the metaphysics of server identity.

The practical summary is refreshingly ordinary:

On a personal computer, reboot whenever it is convenient.
On a server, restart only what needs restarting when possible.
If uninterrupted maintenance matters, make the service replaceable
rather than making one server indispensable.

No caffeine requiredrCojust perhaps a warm, non-caffeinated beverage for contemplating distributed systems.
^^^

Good luck!

-Joe
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2026 07:52:47 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

Am 03.09.26 um 05:51 schrieb noel:

On Wed, 02 Sep 2026 14:23:19 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

Debian stable provides needrestart. Although it maybe needs to be
installed manually.

I have bind9 on 2 Debian machines, apt upgrades work fine and bind
does not crash, the old version still runs until the new one is
started.

and it tells you bind needs restarting? not just a restart for new
kernel?

needrestart tells you if bind needs to be restarted and also offers to
do it.

Thanks Marco, I've installed it and set it from interactive to auto,
we'll see how it goes
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