On Fri, 23 May 2025 18:13:18 -0400, bad sector wrote:
If the driver isn't there in Slackware YET (as it seems)
that's a no-brainer: it will be maybe next year, I didn't build this rig
for just the next 12 months :-)
If you are waiting for next stable version (probably to be called 15.1) I fear that it might take more than one year before it gets released. The ChangeLog of Slackware current has not yet shown any sign of feature
freeze or first release candidate.
Slackware 15.0 was released Februari 2022, almost 6 years after Slackware 14.2 was released. During the years, as Slackware has grown with more and bigger packages, the time between stable releases has increased.
regards Henrik
Had to burn the iso to blu-ray though since the file is 4.6gb and that's
too much for the DVD+R's that I use.
bad sector wrote to alt.os.linux.slackware <=-
Thanks for the warning. Got current (2025-05-24) installed, X is
working with the Rx7600xt and driving 4K no problem. I was reluctant
but since I hardly ever push the OS envelope I should be OK with this until 15.1. Had to burn the iso to blu-ray though since the file is
4.6gb and that's too much for the DVD+R's that I use.
-aTo: bad sector
bad sector wrote to alt.os.linux.slackware <=-
Thanks for the warning. Got current (2025-05-24) installed, X is
working with the Rx7600xt and driving 4K no problem.-a I was reluctant but since I hardly ever push the OS envelope I should be OK with this until 15.1. Had to burn the iso to blu-ray though since the file is
4.6gb and that's too much for the DVD+R's that I use.
Could have used a USB stick, much easier.
bad sector wrote to alt.os.linux.slackware <=-
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On 5/25/25 08:45, Gamgee wrote:
-aTo: bad sector
bad sector wrote to alt.os.linux.slackware <=-
Thanks for the warning. Got current (2025-05-24) installed, X is
working with the Rx7600xt and driving 4K no problem.-a I was reluctant but since I hardly ever push the OS envelope I should be OK with this until 15.1. Had to burn the iso to blu-ray though since the file is 4.6gb and that's too much for the DVD+R's that I use.
Could have used a USB stick, much easier.
2nd try
True, but also a paradigm-shift, and I still have a 10" stack of +R's
on hand.
Welcome to the 21st Century. It's not to late to join us.
<snip>
USB sticks has more become a replacement of floppies
than a replacement of optical media.
Henrik Carlqvist <Henrik.Carlqvist@deadspam.com> wrote:
<snip>
USB sticks has more become a replacement of floppies
than a replacement of optical media.
Q: What's the difference between a hard disk and a floppy?
A: A couple of drinks.
Henrik Carlqvist wrote to alt.os.linux.slackware <=-
From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.slackware
On Mon, 26 May 2025 14:26:11 -0500, Gamgee wrote:
Welcome to the 21st Century. It's not to late to join us.
In the 21st century, I would say that optical media still has its advantages:
For small amounts of data optical media is usually cheaper than USB sticks, but yes, there are USB storage which is bigger than any optical media out there.
The "write once" feature of optical media on one hand means that it
can't be reused, but on the other hand it makes it great for backup purposes and saving of reference data like an installation media.
USB sticks has more become a replacement of floppies than a replacement
of optical media.
We're talking about pennies here. Nobody cares about that.
By transport, I mean something like getting some data from one computer
to another, when the computers aren't networked together.
On Tue, 27 May 2025 08:22:56 -0500, Gamgee wrote:
We're talking about pennies here. Nobody cares about that.
A 100 GB writable bluray disk costs slightly above 10 USD each:
https://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-98913-M-Disc-100GB-Surface/dp/B011PIJPOC
By transport, I mean something like getting some data from one computer
to another, when the computers aren't networked together.
Yes, I agree that for temporary storage like transport between computers
not connected to the same net a USB stick or any form of rewritable
memory is to prefer.
But for data that you want to save as a reference, often as some kind of backup purpose, a stack of optical media still has its purpose.
I hadn't used any blu-ray since the early 'failures' epoch and was
surprised to see 'archival' quality printed on a small stack that I just bought. Don't really know what the 'archival' difference is but there
seems to me a strong market for the 25gb frisbies.
bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
I hadn't used any blu-ray since the early 'failures' epoch and was
surprised to see 'archival' quality printed on a small stack that I just
bought. Don't really know what the 'archival' difference is but there
seems to me a strong market for the 25gb frisbies.
Assuming "archival" is not simply a word inserted by the marketing
department without any backing, "archival" for optical media usually
refered to the use of dyes that were supposedly stable over a longer
term time range. With the intent being that the dyes are not supposed
to fade over just a few short years of storage.
On 5/28/25 8:01 AM, Rich wrote:
bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
I hadn't used any blu-ray since the early 'failures' epoch and was
surprised to see 'archival' quality printed on a small stack that I just >>> bought. Don't really know what the 'archival' difference is but there
seems to me a strong market for the 25gb frisbies.
Assuming "archival" is not simply a word inserted by the marketing
department without any backing, "archival" for optical media usually
refered to the use of dyes that were supposedly stable over a longer
term time range. With the intent being that the dyes are not supposed
to fade over just a few short years of storage.
It's from Verbatim, not a fly-by-night outfit but I havent' found any 'details' as to exactly what makes them archival.
"Stored data is engraved on a patented inorganic write layer rCo it will
not fade or deteriorate. Engraving process renders these archival grade discs practically impervious to environmental exposure, including light, temperature and humidity"
Fot the price you can buy a cheap 1tb ssd and make it host 40 backups of your 25gb data, but what happens to things magnetic or electic during a
pole flip? What makes them good backups is that you cannot accidentally delete an entire folder (got the T-shirts) ...they're not even in the computer once done.
On 2025-05-30, bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:
On 5/28/25 8:01 AM, Rich wrote:
bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
I hadn't used any blu-ray since the early 'failures' epoch and was
surprised to see 'archival' quality printed on a small stack that I just >>>> bought. Don't really know what the 'archival' difference is but there
seems to me a strong market for the 25gb frisbies.
Assuming "archival" is not simply a word inserted by the marketing
department without any backing, "archival" for optical media usually
refered to the use of dyes that were supposedly stable over a longer
term time range. With the intent being that the dyes are not supposed
to fade over just a few short years of storage.
It's from Verbatim, not a fly-by-night outfit but I havent' found any
'details' as to exactly what makes them archival.
"Stored data is engraved on a patented inorganic write layer rCo it will
not fade or deteriorate. Engraving process renders these archival grade
discs practically impervious to environmental exposure, including light,
temperature and humidity"
Fot the price you can buy a cheap 1tb ssd and make it host 40 backups of
your 25gb data, but what happens to things magnetic or electic during a
pole flip? What makes them good backups is that you cannot accidentally
delete an entire folder (got the T-shirts) ...they're not even in the
computer once done.
YYMV, and longevity likely differs from initial reliability, but
after I had used Verbatim brand DVD+/-Rs and BD-Rs for some
years, I got annoyed by somewhere around 10%-20% of my burn
attempts becoming coasters--and buying a new drive because I
suspected the laser was going blind. I bought three packs of
Verbatim, PlexDisc, and MicroBoards 25G BD-Rs and kept track of
how many coasters vs. good burns I got from each brand. Verbatim
had a high coaster rate. The other brands had nearly zero
coasters. I am basing my future purchase decisions on those test
results.
On 5/28/25 8:01 AM, Rich wrote:
bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
I hadn't used any blu-ray since the early 'failures' epoch and was
surprised to see 'archival' quality printed on a small stack that I just >>> bought. Don't really know what the 'archival' difference is but there
seems to me a strong market for the 25gb frisbies.
Assuming "archival" is not simply a word inserted by the marketing
department without any backing, "archival" for optical media usually
refered to the use of dyes that were supposedly stable over a longer
term time range. With the intent being that the dyes are not supposed
to fade over just a few short years of storage.
It's from Verbatim, not a fly-by-night outfit but I havent' found any 'details' as to exactly what makes them archival.
"Stored data is engraved on a patented inorganic write layer rCo it
will not fade or deteriorate. Engraving process renders these
archival grade discs practically impervious to environmental
exposure, including light, temperature and humidity"
Fot the price you can buy a cheap 1tb ssd and make it host 40 backups of your 25gb data, but what happens to things magnetic or electic during a
pole flip?
What makes them good backups is that you cannot accidentally
delete an entire folder (got the T-shirts) ...they're not even in the computer once done.
On 5/29/25 23:17, Robert Riches wrote:
On 2025-05-30, bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:
On 5/28/25 8:01 AM, Rich wrote:
bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
I hadn't used any blu-ray since the early 'failures' epoch and was
surprised to see 'archival' quality printed on a small stack that I just >>>>> bought. Don't really know what the 'archival' difference is but there >>>>> seems to me a strong market for the 25gb frisbies.
Assuming "archival" is not simply a word inserted by the marketing
department without any backing, "archival" for optical media usually
refered to the use of dyes that were supposedly stable over a longer
term time range. With the intent being that the dyes are not supposed >>>> to fade over just a few short years of storage.
It's from Verbatim, not a fly-by-night outfit but I havent' found any
'details' as to exactly what makes them archival.
"Stored data is engraved on a patented inorganic write layer rCo it will >>> not fade or deteriorate. Engraving process renders these archival grade
discs practically impervious to environmental exposure, including light, >>> temperature and humidity"
Fot the price you can buy a cheap 1tb ssd and make it host 40 backups of >>> your 25gb data, but what happens to things magnetic or electic during a
pole flip? What makes them good backups is that you cannot accidentally
delete an entire folder (got the T-shirts) ...they're not even in the
computer once done.
YYMV, and longevity likely differs from initial reliability, but
after I had used Verbatim brand DVD+/-Rs and BD-Rs for some
years, I got annoyed by somewhere around 10%-20% of my burn
attempts becoming coasters--and buying a new drive because I
suspected the laser was going blind. I bought three packs of
Verbatim, PlexDisc, and MicroBoards 25G BD-Rs and kept track of
how many coasters vs. good burns I got from each brand. Verbatim
had a high coaster rate. The other brands had nearly zero
coasters. I am basing my future purchase decisions on those test
results.
Sounds reasonable. By becoming coasters do you mean that right off the
bat they were duds (failing verification) or that sometime later they
failed to check out the content compared to the source? I haven't used enough of them in my life to constitute any form of database (maybe 200 since they first appeared in the 90's).
The details, if they even exist, won't likely appear on any of the
marketing material.
On Fri, 30 May 2025 13:05:49 +0000, Rich wrote:
The details, if they even exist, won't likely appear on any of the
marketing material.
From https://www.verbatim-europe.com/en/blu-ray/products/verbatim-mdisc- lifetime-archival-bdxl-100gb-single-disc-43833
-8<-----------------------------------------
Industry standard ISO/IEC 10995 tests carried out by Millenniata showed
the expected mean lifetime of an MDISC to be 1,332 years, with just 5% of discs showing signs of data loss after 667 years. Therefore the projected lifetime is expected to be several hundreds of years.
BDXL 100GB capacity makes archiving essential data easier for home users
as well as business & enterprises users.
MDISC BDXL discs incorporate titanium for added longevity. Combined with
the MDISC patented ?rock-like? recording layer this provides ultimate protection for you precious memories & data. -8<-----------------------------------------
regards Henrik
On 2025-05-30, bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:
On 5/29/25 23:17, Robert Riches wrote:
On 2025-05-30, bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:
On 5/28/25 8:01 AM, Rich wrote:
bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
I hadn't used any blu-ray since the early 'failures' epoch and was >>>>>> surprised to see 'archival' quality printed on a small stack that I just >>>>>> bought. Don't really know what the 'archival' difference is but there >>>>>> seems to me a strong market for the 25gb frisbies.
Assuming "archival" is not simply a word inserted by the marketing
department without any backing, "archival" for optical media usually >>>>> refered to the use of dyes that were supposedly stable over a longer >>>>> term time range. With the intent being that the dyes are not supposed >>>>> to fade over just a few short years of storage.
It's from Verbatim, not a fly-by-night outfit but I havent' found any
'details' as to exactly what makes them archival.
"Stored data is engraved on a patented inorganic write layer rCo it will >>>> not fade or deteriorate. Engraving process renders these archival grade >>>> discs practically impervious to environmental exposure, including light, >>>> temperature and humidity"
Fot the price you can buy a cheap 1tb ssd and make it host 40 backups of >>>> your 25gb data, but what happens to things magnetic or electic during a >>>> pole flip? What makes them good backups is that you cannot accidentally >>>> delete an entire folder (got the T-shirts) ...they're not even in the
computer once done.
YYMV, and longevity likely differs from initial reliability, but
after I had used Verbatim brand DVD+/-Rs and BD-Rs for some
years, I got annoyed by somewhere around 10%-20% of my burn
attempts becoming coasters--and buying a new drive because I
suspected the laser was going blind. I bought three packs of
Verbatim, PlexDisc, and MicroBoards 25G BD-Rs and kept track of
how many coasters vs. good burns I got from each brand. Verbatim
had a high coaster rate. The other brands had nearly zero
coasters. I am basing my future purchase decisions on those test
results.
Sounds reasonable. By becoming coasters do you mean that right off the
bat they were duds (failing verification) or that sometime later they
failed to check out the content compared to the source? I haven't used
enough of them in my life to constitute any form of database (maybe 200
since they first appeared in the 90's).
With the Verbatim BD-Rs that became coasters, the burn would fail
and error out within the first several seconds.
I should add to my to-do list to find some of my oldest BD-Rs
that are still around and make sure they can be read and
uncompressed.
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