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Read all about it at

https://blog.mageia.org/en/2026/06/30/the-power-of-10/

TJ
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From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mageia

On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 08:00:17 -0400 TJ wrote:

Read all about it at

https://blog.mageia.org/en/2026/06/30/the-power-of-10/

TJ

Anybody installed it yet - does it come along with 'age verification'?

BR,
Markus
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Markus Robert Kessler wrote:

does it come along with 'age verification'?

There's a project on github to monitor how the various distro/s are addressing/confronting the issue.

It doesn't address/mention Mageia 10; nor do Mag10's release notes.

If I had to guess, if some distro doesn't 'intentionally' address the
issue, and if it isn't a 'child' of a parent who does or doesn't address
the issue, I might guess it is 'swimming' in the pool of age verification.

https://github.com/BryanLunduke/DoesItAgeVerify

This page is a running list of Operating Systems and what their
current status is regarding age verification.

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Mike Easter wrote:

It doesn't address/mention Mageia 10; nor do Mag10's release notes.

Mag10 is a systemd distro. I think I like systemd's 'philosophy' about
the issue. If you want, systemd can help 'you' (your system) age verify;
if you don't want, it won't.

As you might guess, when people attack LP about that 'involvement', he
doesn't want to hear anything about it/ the discussion.
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On 2026-07-03 03:49, Markus Robert Kessler wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 08:00:17 -0400 TJ wrote:

Read all about it at

https://blog.mageia.org/en/2026/06/30/the-power-of-10/

TJ

Anybody installed it yet - does it come along with 'age verification'?

BR,
Markus

I've been testing Mageia 10 as my daily driver for months, and AFAIK
there is no automated age verification. At the moment, the Mageia
developers are adopting a wait-and-see attitude on the whole issue.

TJ
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On Fri, 3 Jul 2026 22:34:22 -0400 TJ wrote:

On 2026-07-03 03:49, Markus Robert Kessler wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 08:00:17 -0400 TJ wrote:

Read all about it at

https://blog.mageia.org/en/2026/06/30/the-power-of-10/

TJ

Anybody installed it yet - does it come along with 'age verification'?

BR,
Markus

I've been testing Mageia 10 as my daily driver for months, and AFAIK
there is no automated age verification. At the moment, the Mageia
developers are adopting a wait-and-see attitude on the whole issue.

TJ

Good to know, and, hopefully they will inform us when this is brought into
the OS along with some update one day...

BR,

Markus
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On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 08:00:17 -0400 TJ wrote:

Read all about it at

https://blog.mageia.org/en/2026/06/30/the-power-of-10/

TJ

Hi all,

I am surprised to see that there is still a 32bit repo in version 10.

Asking because around 2 years ago I asked why chromium webbrowser was no longer updated in Mageia 9, and I heard that compilation and packaging
runs for 12 hours. Having every package in 32bit was not worth the effort.
In version 10 this package is also missing:

is Mageia 10 / i586 a "lightweight" distro?

Best regards,

Markus
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On Thu, 09 Jul 2026 08:09:03 -0400, Markus Robert Kessler <no_reply@dipl-ing-kessler.de> wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 08:00:17 -0400 TJ wrote:

Read all about it at

https://blog.mageia.org/en/2026/06/30/the-power-of-10/

TJ

Hi all,

I am surprised to see that there is still a 32bit repo in version 10.

Asking because around 2 years ago I asked why chromium webbrowser was no longer updated in Mageia 9, and I heard that compilation and packaging
runs for 12 hours. Having every package in 32bit was not worth the effort.
In version 10 this package is also missing:

is Mageia 10 / i586 a "lightweight" distro?

Best regards,

Markus

Some packages such as chromium include explicit 64 bit instructions. Getting the package
to compile for a 32 bit cpu would require major modifications to the source code, bordering
on a rewrite. There are also some packages that appear to build okay, but only work on the
64 bit arch.

The packages don't get dropped just because they take a long time to build. They get
dropped because they don't build or even if they do get built, they don't work on that arch.

Mageia still wants to provide it for the arch where it does work instead of dropping the
package completely.

Regards, Dave Hodgins
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On Thu, 09 Jul 2026 09:22:10 -0400 David W. Hodgins wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jul 2026 08:09:03 -0400, Markus Robert Kessler <no_reply@dipl-ing-kessler.de> wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 08:00:17 -0400 TJ wrote:

Read all about it at

https://blog.mageia.org/en/2026/06/30/the-power-of-10/

TJ

Hi all,

I am surprised to see that there is still a 32bit repo in version 10.

Asking because around 2 years ago I asked why chromium webbrowser was
no longer updated in Mageia 9, and I heard that compilation and
packaging runs for 12 hours. Having every package in 32bit was not
worth the effort.
In version 10 this package is also missing:

is Mageia 10 / i586 a "lightweight" distro?

Best regards,

Markus

Some packages such as chromium include explicit 64 bit instructions.
Getting the package to compile for a 32 bit cpu would require major modifications to the source code, bordering on a rewrite. There are also
some packages that appear to build okay, but only work on the 64 bit
arch.

The packages don't get dropped just because they take a long time to
build. They get dropped because they don't build or even if they do get built, they don't work on that arch.

Mageia still wants to provide it for the arch where it does work instead
of dropping the package completely.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

Hi Dave,

nice to read this, thanks!

I was about to throw away some of my 32bit machines, because there are not
so many OSes left that run on them. So, I asked this.
Again, nice to hear.

Best regards,

Markus
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From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mageia

On 2026-07-09 08:09, Markus Robert Kessler wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 08:00:17 -0400 TJ wrote:

Read all about it at

https://blog.mageia.org/en/2026/06/30/the-power-of-10/

TJ

Hi all,

I am surprised to see that there is still a 32bit repo in version 10.

Asking because around 2 years ago I asked why chromium webbrowser was no longer updated in Mageia 9, and I heard that compilation and packaging
runs for 12 hours. Having every package in 32bit was not worth the effort.
In version 10 this package is also missing:

is Mageia 10 / i586 a "lightweight" distro?

Best regards,

Markus

Note that Mageia 10 32-bit now only supports i686.

Support for i586 was dropped mostly because too many packages simply
won't work without sse2 hardware unless nearly completely rewritten.
There were other reasons as well, but that was the big one.

TJ
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On 2026-07-09, David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jul 2026 08:09:03 -0400, Markus Robert Kessler <no_reply@dipl-ing-kessler.de> wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 08:00:17 -0400 TJ wrote:

Read all about it at

https://blog.mageia.org/en/2026/06/30/the-power-of-10/

TJ

Re Chromium

Mageia still wants to provide it for the arch where it does work instead of dropping the
package completely.

Unfortunately they have also dropped Chromium in Mageia 10 They claim it
was too expensive ( in time and effort) to maintain in light of the many changes upstream was dumping into chromium.
They say we have to use a flatpack for Chromium. I tried, and failed.
(Ie, have it install a duplicate of a whole bunch of libraries you
already have on your system and lots more vectors for security holes.)

It would have been nice if Mageia put in the flatpack for users, but I
guess that would have made them responsible for fixing it when anything
in the flatpack broke.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 15:14:00 -0000 (UTC) William Unruh wrote:

On 2026-07-09, David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jul 2026 08:09:03 -0400, Markus Robert Kessler
<no_reply@dipl-ing-kessler.de> wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 08:00:17 -0400 TJ wrote:

Read all about it at

https://blog.mageia.org/en/2026/06/30/the-power-of-10/

TJ

Re Chromium

Mageia still wants to provide it for the arch where it does work
instead of dropping the package completely.

Unfortunately they have also dropped Chromium in Mageia 10 They claim it
was too expensive ( in time and effort) to maintain in light of the many changes upstream was dumping into chromium.

That is really sad news - I am using chromium webbrowser all time for
things like Teams meetings, because in Firefox I got interruptions over
and over, and, not even to think about active role like presenting.

Also, in ebay there are functions like storing bank data / 'IBAN',
tailored for chrome / chromium / edge, and these don't work properly in Firefox as well

They say we have to use a flatpack for Chromium. I tried, and failed.
(Ie, have it install a duplicate of a whole bunch of libraries you
already have on your system and lots more vectors for security holes.)

I think Ubuntu was one the first distros that started with this - one of
the reasons why I turned away from it

It would have been nice if Mageia put in the flatpack for users, but I
guess that would have made them responsible for fixing it when anything
in the flatpack broke.

So, what to use then? - Chrome as a foreign, non-OSS package?

Best regards,

Markus
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On 2026-07-10 11:14, William Unruh wrote:

On 2026-07-09, David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jul 2026 08:09:03 -0400, Markus Robert Kessler <no_reply@dipl-ing-kessler.de> wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 08:00:17 -0400 TJ wrote:

Read all about it at

https://blog.mageia.org/en/2026/06/30/the-power-of-10/

TJ

Re Chromium

Mageia still wants to provide it for the arch where it does work instead of dropping the
package completely.

Unfortunately they have also dropped Chromium in Mageia 10 They claim it
was too expensive ( in time and effort) to maintain in light of the many changes upstream was dumping into chromium.
They say we have to use a flatpack for Chromium. I tried, and failed.
(Ie, have it install a duplicate of a whole bunch of libraries you
already have on your system and lots more vectors for security holes.)

It would have been nice if Mageia put in the flatpack for users, but I
guess that would have made them responsible for fixing it when anything
in the flatpack broke.

I used Discover to install Chromium from Flathub into Mageia 10 (then Cauldron) months ago, mostly because my bank seems to hate Firefox, but

also one of the vendors my business uses refuses to work with anything
but that or Chrome. Been updated a few times since, and it's been
working great for me.

I possibly could have used a user agent switcher in Firefox, but it just didn't seem worth the trouble.

TJ
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On 2026-07-11, Markus Robert Kessler <no_reply@dipl-ing-kessler.de> wrote:

On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 15:14:00 -0000 (UTC) William Unruh wrote:

...

Unfortunately they have also dropped Chromium in Mageia 10 They claim it
was too expensive ( in time and effort) to maintain in light of the many
changes upstream was dumping into chromium.

That is really sad news - I am using chromium webbrowser all time for
things like Teams meetings, because in Firefox I got interruptions over
and over, and, not even to think about active role like presenting.

Note that Chrome works on Mageia 10 and can still be downloaded from the
Google website. So it isn't just a choice between Chromium or Firefox.
Most of the avantages of Chromium should also be there for Chrome.
Google does tend to stick their nose into places it does not belong more
in the recent Chromes however-- especially trying to get you to store
your stuff on Google's servers.
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William Unruh wrote:

On 2026-07-09, David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org>
wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jul 2026 08:09:03 -0400, Markus Robert Kessler
<no_reply@dipl-ing-kessler.de> wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 08:00:17 -0400 TJ wrote:

Read all about it at

https://blog.mageia.org/en/2026/06/30/the-power-of-10/

TJ

Re Chromium

Mageia still wants to provide it for the arch where it does work
instead of dropping the package completely.

Unfortunately they have also dropped Chromium in Mageia 10 They
claim it was too expensive ( in time and effort) to maintain in
light of the many changes upstream was dumping into chromium. They
say we have to use a flatpack for Chromium. I tried, and failed.
(Ie, have it install a duplicate of a whole bunch of libraries you
already have on your system and lots more vectors for security
holes.)

It would have been nice if Mageia put in the flatpack for users,
but I guess that would have made them responsible for fixing it
when anything in the flatpack broke.

Packaging programs for flatpak is safely outside the scope of the
distribution maintainers.



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William Unruh wrote:

On 2026-07-09, David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org>
wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jul 2026 08:09:03 -0400, Markus Robert Kessler
<no_reply@dipl-ing-kessler.de> wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 08:00:17 -0400 TJ wrote:

Read all about it at

https://blog.mageia.org/en/2026/06/30/the-power-of-10/

TJ

Re Chromium

Mageia still wants to provide it for the arch where it does work
instead of dropping the package completely.

Unfortunately they have also dropped Chromium in Mageia 10 They
claim it was too expensive ( in time and effort) to maintain in
light of the many changes upstream was dumping into chromium. They
say we have to use a flatpack for Chromium. I tried, and failed.
(Ie, have it install a duplicate of a whole bunch of libraries you
already have on your system and lots more vectors for security
holes.)

It would have been nice if Mageia put in the flatpack for users,
but I guess that would have made them responsible for fixing it
when anything in the flatpack broke.

Nowadays, disk space is usually not a problem. I use Linux all the
time, however, the lack of standardization in it is very annoying. If
you don't use one of the major distributions you run the risk of
getting frustrated because you can't find some program you need
packaged for your distribution. In your case I see the following
solutions:

1 - Give it a rest and just use flatpak.

2 - Choose some other browser (I use Brave).

3 - Install opencode https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode and ask it
to create the package from source.


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