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Hi all,

for some reason I want to install an usenet server on my debian server

I made some research but I didn't found anything worth, can someone please point me in right direction?

Many tahnks in advance
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Package: leafnode
Status: install ok installed
Priority: optional
Section: news
Installed-Size: 810
Maintainer: Moritz Muehlenhoff <jmm@debian.org>
Architecture: amd64
Version: 1.12.0-2.1
Provides: news-transport-system
Depends: netbase, logrotate, libc6 (>= 2.34), libpcre2-8-0 (>= 10.22), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0
Suggests: update-inetd, openbsd-inetd | inet-superserver, tcpd, perl
Conflicts: news-transport-system, newsx
Conffiles:
/etc/cron.d/leafnode b108b690d37eaadd99ddcdc0338f3c3a
/etc/cron.daily/leafnode e4b532a326797e39166827cb0542d4a5
/etc/logcheck/ignore.d.paranoid/leafnode 6125d5a363ef098c236854517ae0bf34
/etc/logcheck/ignore.d.server/leafnode b32db9a396ffdb90468f5658de8205bf
/etc/logcheck/ignore.d.workstation/leafnode 6df74d1565f78ed0c322e6c397659b4a
/etc/logcheck/violations.ignore.d/leafnode 71b3dea20768863a9e6b61eb6ca5adeb
/etc/logrotate.d/leafnode ed27ba314f2092effe9d567f5a7c12f3
/etc/news/leafnode/do-fetch-news 68a54a9fda0c010dd161547e2782bf45
/etc/news/leafnode/filters e874ef3115aca7dc4ac75dc51b45a362
/etc/ppp/ip-down.d/leafnode 424d7631d4ca9b645d39ef22214547ac
/etc/ppp/ip-up.d/leafnode 1a66eaa369300df1a11bd7b768473bc1
Description: NNTP server for small sites
Leafnode is a news server suitable for small, limited-bandwidth sites
with only a few users ('leaf' sites). It keeps track of which groups
are being read, and downloads only articles in those groups. Leafnode
has been designed to require no maintenance and to be easy to set up.
.
Perl is required to use some optional features of the package for
handling very low volume newsgroups.
Description-md5:
Homepage: http://leafnode.org/
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On 5/5/24 09:28, John Hasler wrote:

Package: leafnode

I do not consider leafnode to be a full Usenet (NNTP) server. Rather
it's more of a caching intermediary proxy Usenet (NNTP) server.

There are differences. Maybe the differences don't matter for what the
OP is wanting to do.
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Grant writes:

I do not consider leafnode to be a full Usenet (NNTP) server.

It isn't, but it's what most people who say they want an NNTP server
actually need.
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il giorno 6 May 2024 alle 03:59:16 GMT+1, "John Hasler" <john@sugarbit.com> scrisse:

It isn't, but it's what most people who say they want an NNTP server
actually need.

I made some more research: what I was seeking for is inn2 :D
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On 5/5/24 21:59, John Hasler wrote:

It isn't

:-)

but it's what most people who say they want an NNTP server actually
need.

I disagree.

That seems like an assumption / presumption that you know what people
want better than they do.

Asking if people have considered leafnode as it provides similar
capabilities and is easier to setup is valid. But please don't presume
to know what they want better than they do.
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evanmac <evanmac69@gmail.com> writes:

I made some more research: what I was seeking for is inn2 :D

I started a while ago to set up two INN2 on Debian12/armhf which were accessible in my LAN and over Tor and I could use them via GNUS, but
that got stuck in this less than half baked state and hasn't been
touched for over a year now.

Next stop should have been to peer them, but dark energy in my to do
list and other distractions ... YKWIM.

I feel like having forgotten everything I knew a year ago.

Maybe if you just write about what you are doing, that will trigger some memories?
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On 5/6/24 19:48, yeti wrote:

I feel like having forgotten everything I knew a year ago.

It's probably not in your conscious, but I bet part of it is in your sub-conscious.

Maybe if you just write about what you are doing, that will trigger some memories?

I'd bet that if you walked through the process things would seem really familiar if not trigger memories to bubble up from your sub-conscious to
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il giorno 7 May 2024 alle 01:50:27 GMT+1, "yeti" <yeti@tilde.institute> scrisse:

Maybe if you just write about what you are doing, that will trigger some memories?

I'm bored of paying services and/or jumping over servers that desappear to
read newsgroups, so all I want to do is setup my personal news server, eventually peered, to read NG: that's all :D
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il giorno 6 May 2024 alle 19:45:20 GMT+1, "Grant Taylor" <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> scrisse:

On 5/5/24 21:59, John Hasler wrote:

It isn't

:-)

but it's what most people who say they want an NNTP server actually
need.

I disagree.

That seems like an assumption / presumption that you know what people
want better than they do.

Asking if people have considered leafnode as it provides similar
capabilities and is easier to setup is valid. But please don't presume
to know what they want better than they do.

You're right: I know very well what I want (I wrote about it in another post
in this thread), and I like to have control over technologies I use.

For first I setup my personal cloud with nextcloud, quitting all data I could from online services (google, apple, dropbox, etc.), now I'm studying how to setup a mastodon server and the news server, and eventually an IRC server :D

Seems I'm preparing for the end of the world, but I'm simply nostalgic of that good old BBS days :D
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On 5/7/24 02:44, evanmac wrote:

You're right: I know very well what I want (I wrote about it in another
post in this thread), and I like to have control over technologies
I use.

+10

For first I setup my personal cloud with nextcloud, quitting all
data I could from online services (google, apple, dropbox, etc.),
now I'm studying how to setup a mastodon server and the news server,
and eventually an IRC server :D

I've got two news servers, one public transit server, and one personal
archive / reader server.

I've got an IRC server too.

I've also considered a Mastodon / Fediverse server, but I've not found sufficient round-to-its yet.

Seems I'm preparing for the end of the world, but I'm simply nostalgic
of that good old BBS days :D

I don't know if it's preparing for the end of the world or if it's more
just want control of how my services operate.
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il giorno 7 May 2024 alle 20:08:04 GMT+1, "Grant Taylor" <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> scrisse:

For first I setup my personal cloud with nextcloud, quitting all
data I could from online services (google, apple, dropbox, etc.),
now I'm studying how to setup a mastodon server and the news server,
and eventually an IRC server :D

I've got two news servers, one public transit server, and one personal archive / reader server.

The daemon/server is up (with FQDN), until "start the engine" there is the inn.conf file to setup well; but I'll watch how to do in another moment

I've got an IRC server too.

running in debian? Which app did you use for it?

I've also considered a Mastodon / Fediverse server, but I've not found sufficient round-to-its yet.

I tried to install mastodon, but I have to setup the nginx files properly, so
I have posponed the idea for now

Seems I'm preparing for the end of the world, but I'm simply nostalgic
of that good old BBS days :D

I don't know if it's preparing for the end of the world or if it's more
just want control of how my services operate.

In BBS times I was too young (and had no money) to setup a proper server, so now that I can I want to do it, just because I can do it :D
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On 5/8/2024 11:26 AM, evanmac wrote:

il giorno 7 May 2024 alle 20:08:04 GMT+1, "Grant Taylor" <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> scrisse:

For first I setup my personal cloud with nextcloud, quitting all
data I could from online services (google, apple, dropbox, etc.),
now I'm studying how to setup a mastodon server and the news server,
and eventually an IRC server :D

I've got two news servers, one public transit server, and one personal
archive / reader server.

The daemon/server is up (with FQDN), until "start the engine" there is the inn.conf file to setup well; but I'll watch how to do in another moment

I am still trying to puzzle out how to setup my newsserver properly. I
tried asking Bloueworld Hosting for a feed and got no response...

I've got an IRC server too.

running in debian? Which app did you use for it?

not op, but I am using ngircd. Works well.

I've also considered a Mastodon / Fediverse server, but I've not found
sufficient round-to-its yet.

I tried to install mastodon, but I have to setup the nginx files properly, so I have posponed the idea for now

I am a bit wary of the network demands of mastodon. A few feeds might
not be too bad, but if a post gets milly viral it might tax my raspberry
and my internet connection a bit too much...

Seems I'm preparing for the end of the world, but I'm simply nostalgic
of that good old BBS days :D

I don't know if it's preparing for the end of the world or if it's more
just want control of how my services operate.

In BBS times I was too young (and had no money) to setup a proper server, so now that I can I want to do it, just because I can do it :D

yeah, that's my thought process now as well. I would never had the money
(and internet connection) to just set up a computer to run as a server.
Right now I have a rpi running and a permanent connection to the internet.
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On 5/8/24 04:26, evanmac wrote:

The daemon/server is up (with FQDN), until "start the engine" there
is the inn.conf file to setup well; but I'll watch how to do in
another moment

ACK

running in debian? Which app did you use for it?

No, Arch, it was a quick test VM that I threw up at a VPS. I don't
remember the IRC daemon at the moment. I can look if you care to know.

I tried to install mastodon, but I have to setup the nginx files
properly, so I have posponed the idea for now

I've not looked yet. I'd want to make it work with Apache as that's
already installed.

In BBS times I was too young (and had no money) to setup a proper
server, so now that I can I want to do it, just because I can do it :D

I both appreciate and sympathize.
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On 5/8/24 06:51, Kyonshi wrote:

I am still trying to puzzle out how to setup my newsserver properly. I
tried asking Bloueworld Hosting for a feed and got no response...

I'll peer with you if you want to.

not op, but I am using ngircd. Works well.

:-)

I am a bit wary of the network demands of mastodon. A few feeds might
not be too bad, but if a post gets milly viral it might tax my raspberry
and my internet connection a bit too much...

I don't know. But it seems like a valid thing to consider. I'd hope
that there are ways to measure that and account for it.

yeah, that's my thought process now as well. I would never had the money (and internet connection) to just set up a computer to run as a server. Right now I have a rpi running and a permanent connection to the internet.

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il giorno 8 May 2024 alle 12:51:11 GMT+1, "Kyonshi" <gmkeros@gmail.com> scrisse:

On 5/8/2024 11:26 AM, evanmac wrote:

il giorno 7 May 2024 alle 20:08:04 GMT+1, "Grant Taylor"
<gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> scrisse:

For first I setup my personal cloud with nextcloud, quitting all
data I could from online services (google, apple, dropbox, etc.),
now I'm studying how to setup a mastodon server and the news server,
and eventually an IRC server :D

I've got two news servers, one public transit server, and one personal
archive / reader server.

The daemon/server is up (with FQDN), until "start the engine" there is the >> inn.conf file to setup well; but I'll watch how to do in another moment

I am still trying to puzzle out how to setup my newsserver properly. I
tried asking Bloueworld Hosting for a feed and got no response...

I will try later, when I puzzled out all the pieces :D

I've got an IRC server too.

running in debian? Which app did you use for it?

not op, but I am using ngircd. Works well.

I just installed InspIRCd, now I have to study how to configure it; btw, seems mr simple than the news server

I've also considered a Mastodon / Fediverse server, but I've not found
sufficient round-to-its yet.

I tried to install mastodon, but I have to setup the nginx files properly, so
I have posponed the idea for now

I am a bit wary of the network demands of mastodon. A few feeds might
not be too bad, but if a post gets milly viral it might tax my raspberry
and my internet connection a bit too much...

dunno how much CPU could use mastodon, ATM I have a macmini (intel i5) with 16GB RAM, used as nextcloud server (like dropbox)
my internet is a 600/600Mb fiber with no badwidth limit

Seems I'm preparing for the end of the world, but I'm simply nostalgic >>>> of that good old BBS days :D

I don't know if it's preparing for the end of the world or if it's more
just want control of how my services operate.

In BBS times I was too young (and had no money) to setup a proper server, so >> now that I can I want to do it, just because I can do it :D

yeah, that's my thought process now as well. I would never had the money
(and internet connection) to just set up a computer to run as a server.
Right now I have a rpi running and a permanent connection to the internet.

as I said I have an old macmini ;)
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il giorno 8 May 2024 alle 16:49:59 GMT+1, "Grant Taylor" <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> scrisse:

On 5/8/24 06:51, Kyonshi wrote:

I am still trying to puzzle out how to setup my newsserver properly. I
tried asking Bloueworld Hosting for a feed and got no response...

I'll peer with you if you want to.

can I ask for peering when I'll be ready?
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il giorno 8 May 2024 alle 16:48:00 GMT+1, "Grant Taylor" <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> scrisse:

running in debian? Which app did you use for it?

No, Arch, it was a quick test VM that I threw up at a VPS. I don't
remember the IRC daemon at the moment. I can look if you care to know.

I installed InspIRCd, I still have to condigure it

I tried to install mastodon, but I have to setup the nginx files
properly, so I have posponed the idea for now

I've not looked yet. I'd want to make it work with Apache as that's
already installed.

I have a friend who prefer Apache because can make extensive use of regex in .htaccess

honestly, I prefer nginx ;)

In BBS times I was too young (and had no money) to setup a proper
server, so now that I can I want to do it, just because I can do it :D

I both appreciate and sympathize.

thanks :D
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il giorno 8 May 2024 alle 17:01:42 GMT+1, "evanmac" <evanmac69@gmail.com> scrisse:

I installed InspIRCd, I still have to condigure it

sorry it is ngircd, wrong demon :D
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On 5/8/24 10:59, evanmac wrote:

can I ask for peering when I'll be ready?

Yes.

I offered. ;-)

Email me directly when you're ready.
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il giorno 9 May 2024 alle 02:46:55 GMT+1, "Grant Taylor" <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> scrisse:

Yes.

I offered. ;-)

Email me directly when you're ready.

thanks!
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Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> writes:

On 5/8/24 04:26, evanmac wrote:

The daemon/server is up (with FQDN), until "start the engine" there
is the inn.conf file to setup well; but I'll watch how to do in
another moment

ACK

running in debian? Which app did you use for it?

No, Arch, it was a quick test VM that I threw up at a VPS. I don't
remember the IRC daemon at the moment. I can look if you care to
know.

I tried to install mastodon, but I have to setup the nginx files
properly, so I have posponed the idea for now

I've not looked yet. I'd want to make it work with Apache as that's
already installed.

In BBS times I was too young (and had no money) to setup a proper
server, so now that I can I want to do it, just because I can do it
:D

I both appreciate and sympathize.

BBS's are still a thing. Though, few accept dialup connections these
days, most are only accessible via telnet or ssh.

Daniel
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On 8/22/2024 12:00 PM, Daniel wrote:

BBS's are still a thing. Though, few accept dialup connections these
days, most are only accessible via telnet or ssh.

as far as I have seen the issue is also that the old dial up lines just
aren't there anymore. People have switched to mobile so much that most
people just don't have landlines anymore, and I don't think dial up
works right via mobile.
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On 24.08.2024 um 22:22 Uhr Kyonshi wrote:

On 8/22/2024 12:00 PM, Daniel wrote:

BBS's are still a thing. Though, few accept dialup connections these
days, most are only accessible via telnet or ssh.

as far as I have seen the issue is also that the old dial up lines
just aren't there anymore. People have switched to mobile so much
that most people just don't have landlines anymore, and I don't think
dial up works right via mobile.

Dialup works via VoIP, but very bad.
If internet exists, why don't use Telnet or SSH or Gopher for a BBS?
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On 8/25/2024 9:40 AM, Marco Moock wrote:

On 24.08.2024 um 22:22 Uhr Kyonshi wrote:

On 8/22/2024 12:00 PM, Daniel wrote:

BBS's are still a thing. Though, few accept dialup connections these
days, most are only accessible via telnet or ssh.

as far as I have seen the issue is also that the old dial up lines
just aren't there anymore. People have switched to mobile so much
that most people just don't have landlines anymore, and I don't think
dial up works right via mobile.

Dialup works via VoIP, but very bad.
If internet exists, why don't use Telnet or SSH or Gopher for a BBS?

I think most people just would really love to play with the old
technology, but the infrastructure just isn't there anymore.

(I speak as someone who is running a small uucp net with a few other
people. We didn't even think about doing that 'properly' via dial-up,
because that would have been more trouble than it was really worth)
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Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> writes:

On 8/25/2024 9:40 AM, Marco Moock wrote:

On 24.08.2024 um 22:22 Uhr Kyonshi wrote:

On 8/22/2024 12:00 PM, Daniel wrote:

BBS's are still a thing. Though, few accept dialup connections these
days, most are only accessible via telnet or ssh.

as far as I have seen the issue is also that the old dial up lines
just aren't there anymore. People have switched to mobile so much
that most people just don't have landlines anymore, and I don't think
dial up works right via mobile.

Dialup works via VoIP, but very bad.
If internet exists, why don't use Telnet or SSH or Gopher for a BBS?

I think most people just would really love to play with the old

technology, but the infrastructure just isn't there anymore.

(I speak as someone who is running a small uucp net with a few other
people. We didn't even think about doing that 'properly' via dial-up,
because that would have been more trouble than it was really worth)

There are still dialup bbs's around. And as a matter of fact a few
sysops I know setup a 1800 number attached to a central BBS, which
allows you to hop to hundreds of other boards that don't have dialup connectivity. I'll have to dig up the number, or go on MRC and ask one
of them the access number.

But yeah, there are still dialup boards around, and one even running on
a C64.

Daniel
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