It's Saturday, January 24, 2026. The Trump administration's harsh
crackdown on immigration has resulted in another murder by a federal immigration agent.
Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
It's Saturday, January 24, 2026. The Trump administration's harsh
crackdown on immigration has resulted in another murder by a federal >>immigration agent.
Details are still coming out, but it appears likely that he'd pulled
a gun on them.
Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
It's Saturday, January 24, 2026. The Trump administration's harsh
crackdown on immigration has resulted in another murder by a federal
immigration agent.
Details are still coming out, but it appears likely that he'd pulled
a gun on them.
Details are still coming out, but it appears likely that he'd pulled
a gun on them.
I'm going to require independent verification of that.
As I pointed out, they just got caught doctoring another video of an
earlier arrest
and they are still calling Miss Good a terrorist. I think she
committed a traffic infraction.
Mark Shaw <mshaw@panix.com> wrote:
Details are still coming out, but it appears likely that he'd pulled
a gun on them.
He was carrying a gun,but apparently had been disarmed and was on
the ground when the masked killer unholstered his own weapon and
shot him the first time...at least 5 shots were fired into him
at close range but not all were captured on video as opposed to
audio.
In the previous article, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Details are still coming out, but it appears likely that he'd pulled
a gun on them.
I'm going to require independent verification of that.
As am I. But your Subject: line is ridiculous and inflammatory. If
anyone paid any attention to USENET, it would be a pretty bad thing to
post.
In the previous article, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Mark Shaw <mshaw@panix.com> wrote:
Details are still coming out, but it appears likely that he'd pulled
a gun on them.
I'm going to require independent verification of that.
As am I. But your Subject: line is ridiculous and inflammatory. If
anyone paid any attention to USENET, it would be a pretty bad thing to
post.
As I pointed out, they just got caught doctoring another video of an >>earlier arrest
Gonna require independent verification of that.
and they are still calling Miss Good a terrorist. I think she
committed a traffic infraction.
Driving forward while a law enforcement officer is in front of your
vehicle is rather more serious than "a traffic infraction."
(I think
the ICE officer was dumb and engaged in very bad police work, and I
think he ought to be fired for it. But even if you do something
stupid, you are entitled to defend yourself when someone exploits your >stupidity to try to harm or kill you.
Louis Epstein <le@lekno.ws> wrote:
Mark Shaw <mshaw@panix.com> wrote:
Details are still coming out, but it appears likely that he'd pulled
a gun on them.
He was carrying a gun,but apparently had been disarmed and was on
the ground when the masked killer unholstered his own weapon and
shot him the first time...at least 5 shots were fired into him
at close range but not all were captured on video as opposed to
audio.
You can't really tell what happened from the available video. The
fact remains, however, that he chose to go armed to an event where
he intended to interfere with federal law enforcement, and resisted
arrest when they reacted to that interference in the predictable
manner.
Mark Shaw <mshaw@panix.com> wrote:
Louis Epstein <le@lekno.ws> wrote:
He was carrying a gun,but apparently had been disarmed and was on
the ground when the masked killer unholstered his own weapon and
shot him the first time...at least 5 shots were fired into him
at close range but not all were captured on video as opposed to
audio.
You can't really tell what happened from the available video. The
fact remains, however, that he chose to go armed to an event where
he intended to interfere with federal law enforcement, and resisted
arrest when they reacted to that interference in the predictable
manner.
Was he brandishing the weapon or not?
Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Mark Shaw <mshaw@panix.com> wrote:
Louis Epstein <le@lekno.ws> wrote:
He was carrying a gun,but apparently had been disarmed and was on
the ground when the masked killer unholstered his own weapon and
shot him the first time...at least 5 shots were fired into him
at close range but not all were captured on video as opposed to
audio.
You can't really tell what happened from the available video. The
fact remains, however, that he chose to go armed to an event where
he intended to interfere with federal law enforcement, and resisted >>>arrest when they reacted to that interference in the predictable
manner.
Was he brandishing the weapon or not?
That doesn't matter.
Was he brandishing the weapon or not?
That doesn't matter.
It very much does matter, which is why I asked.
Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Was he brandishing the weapon or not?
That doesn't matter.
It very much does matter, which is why I asked.
He was not brandishing the weapon when he was shot. He had clearly
been disarmed at that point. It is bad form and a violation of the
rules of engagement to kill a person in that situation.
Louis Epstein <le@lekno.ws> wrote:
Mark Shaw <mshaw@panix.com> wrote:
Details are still coming out, but it appears likely that he'd pulled
a gun on them.
He was carrying a gun,but apparently had been disarmed and was on
the ground when the masked killer unholstered his own weapon and
shot him the first time...at least 5 shots were fired into him
at close range but not all were captured on video as opposed to
audio.
You can't really tell what happened from the available video. The
fact remains, however, that he chose to go armed to an event where
he intended to interfere with federal law enforcement, and resisted
arrest when they reacted to that interference in the predictable
manner.
Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Mark Shaw <mshaw@panix.com> wrote:
Louis Epstein <le@lekno.ws> wrote:
He was carrying a gun,but apparently had been disarmed and was on
the ground when the masked killer unholstered his own weapon and
shot him the first time...at least 5 shots were fired into him
at close range but not all were captured on video as opposed to
audio.
You can't really tell what happened from the available video. The
fact remains, however, that he chose to go armed to an event where
he intended to interfere with federal law enforcement, and resisted
arrest when they reacted to that interference in the predictable
manner.
Was he brandishing the weapon or not?
That doesn't matter.
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Was he brandishing the weapon or not?
That doesn't matter.
It very much does matter, which is why I asked.
He was not brandishing the weapon when he was shot. He had clearly
been disarmed at that point. It is bad form and a violation of the
rules of engagement to kill a person in that situation.
That isn't the question I asked. The two of you can tell me to wait for >further reporting if you don't care to answer but don't tell me the
question shouldn't be asked. I'd like to know if this was a fog of war >scenario because, as much as I despise the circumstances in which he
was murdered, I'm not ready to believe it to be a cold-blooded murder.
That isn't the question I asked. The two of you can tell me to wait for >further reporting if you don't care to answer but don't tell me the
question shouldn't be asked. I'd like to know if this was a fog of war >scenario because, as much as I despise the circumstances in which he
was murdered, I'm not ready to believe it to be a cold-blooded murder.
Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
That isn't the question I asked. The two of you can tell me to wait for >>further reporting if you don't care to answer but don't tell me the >>question shouldn't be asked. I'd like to know if this was a fog of war >>scenario because, as much as I despise the circumstances in which he
was murdered, I'm not ready to believe it to be a cold-blooded murder.
Watch the video. Was it cold-blooded or was it a foolish accident?
I can't--- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
say, but shooting an unarmed person sounds like some manner of murder, no >matter what that person may have been doing before being disarmed.
The differences between manslaughter, first, and second degree murder are >relatively distinct.
Hopefully a judge will get to make a real decision and then we'll know.
I'd like to see a lot of these incidents coming before judges but I worry >that under the current circumstances they may not.
Self defense is an affirmative defense against a criminal homicide
charge. Even if the jury acquittal is based on a finding of legal >justification, a murder still took place.
You know all this.
She blocked the vehicle; that's a traffic infraction. She then panicked
when the first agent tried to open the driver's side door to pull her
out. Yes, she drove forward because she had not shifted into reverse.
But the second agent was slightly off to the side and had not planted
himself directly in her path. She was driving slowly enough that at no
point was he in fear for his life, and video shows him jumping out of
the way. With the driver dead, that guarantees that the vehicle will
crash, making it more likely that someone will be injured.
Sun, 25 Jan 2026 16:17:12 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
Self defense is an affirmative defense against a criminal homicide
charge. Even if the jury acquittal is based on a finding of legal >>justification, a murder still took place.
That's not how it works.
You know all this.
You don't know nearly as much about the law as you profess to.
She blocked the vehicle; that's a traffic infraction. She then panicked >>when the first agent tried to open the driver's side door to pull her
out. Yes, she drove forward because she had not shifted into reverse.
But the second agent was slightly off to the side and had not planted >>himself directly in her path. She was driving slowly enough that at no >>point was he in fear for his life, and video shows him jumping out of
the way. With the driver dead, that guarantees that the vehicle will
crash, making it more likely that someone will be injured.
He was in front of the vehicle. Not dead-center in front, but more "in
front" than "off to the side."
She turned her steering wheel so that her
left front wheel was aimed *directly at him*, and hit the gas. The tires
spun out on the ice.
She was only going slowly because she lost traction.
Unlike you, who can read Donald Trump's mind, I can't read Renee Good's
mind and know whether she intended to kill the ICE agent, but her actions >absolutely came from either an intent to strike him with her vehicle or a >flagrant disregard of the fact that's what she was going to do. Any sane >person in the officer's shoes would have feared for his life.
Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
That isn't the question I asked. The two of you can tell me to wait for >>further reporting if you don't care to answer but don't tell me the >>question shouldn't be asked. I'd like to know if this was a fog of war >>scenario because, as much as I despise the circumstances in which he
was murdered, I'm not ready to believe it to be a cold-blooded murder.
Watch the video. Was it cold-blooded or was it a foolish accident? I can't say, but shooting an unarmed person sounds like some manner of murder, no matter what that person may have been doing before being disarmed.
The differences between manslaughter, first, and second degree murder are relatively distinct.
Hopefully a judge will get to make a real decision and then we'll know.
I'd like to see a lot of these incidents coming before judges but I worry that under the current circumstances they may not.
--scott
Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Was he brandishing the weapon or not?
That doesn't matter.
That isn't the question I asked. The two of you can tell me to wait for further reporting if you don't care to answer but don't tell me the
question shouldn't be asked. I'd like to know if this was a fog of war scenario because, as much as I despise the circumstances in which he
was murdered, I'm not ready to believe it to be a cold-blooded murder.
It's Saturday, January 24, 2026. The Trump administration's harsh
crackdown on immigration has resulted in another murder by a federal >immigration agent.
https://apnews.com/article/immigration-enforcement-minnesota-4d1499fc5962ab880f3816259e04bdbf
This news story is about the White House manipulating the video of
another arrest.
https://apnews.com/article/minnesota-activist-ice-protest-church-video-49faf3efd54e496388651aac1369fb44
Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
It's Saturday, January 24, 2026. The Trump administration's harsh
crackdown on immigration has resulted in another murder by a federal >>immigration agent.
https://apnews.com/article/immigration-enforcement-minnesota-4d1499fc5962ab880f3816259e04bdbf
This news story is about the White House manipulating the video of
another arrest.
https://apnews.com/article/minnesota-activist-ice-protest-church-video-49faf3efd54e496388651aac1369fb44
First of all, let's name the deceased: 37 year old Alex Petti.
Next, let's note that Trump has retreated a bit from over-the-top
rhetoric and has sounded a bit conciliatory. However, I still believe
that the federal investigation will be a whitewash and there will be no criminal charges pursued.
Let's see if our friends J.D. Baldwin and David Carson can find a way to express any sympathy for the two victims. At least in Good's murder,
Baldwin criticized the tactics used but both continue to call her death
the result of a good shooting in self defense and refuse to believe she
was trying to get away from the first agent trying to open her door and driving forward was not an attempt to murder the second agent who was in front, but not directly in the path, of her vehicle and was able to step
away after killing her.
Neither will back down.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-pretti-minnesota-immigration-enforcement-eb9e63a625b624d2ba4ed467cb0f956c
https://apnews.com/article/trump-pretti-minnesota-second-amendment-ice-ffef56cab9930e52273f8227251452f4
https://apnews.com/live/minneapolis-shooting-immigration-updates-1-27-2026
Let's see if our friends J.D. Baldwin and David Carson can find a way to express any sympathy for the two victims.
On 1/27/2026 10:46 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Let's see if our friends J.D. Baldwin and David Carson can find a way to
express any sympathy for the two victims.
I'm sick of your whining about it. I'm glad they're both dead. The world
is a better place without them.
If agents are busy intimidating and killing protestors, gosh, they
aren't trying to capture people like Roberto Carlos Munoz.
Nice evasion.
https://bostontimes.org/2026/01/25/ice-officer-jonathan-rosss-attack-by-convicted-sex-offender-resurfaces-amid-controversy-over-fatal-shooting-of-renee-good/
If agents are busy intimidating and killing protestors, gosh, they
aren't trying to capture people like Roberto Carlos Munoz.
On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 19:34:54 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Nice evasion.
https://bostontimes.org/2026/01/25/ice-officer-jonathan-rosss-attack-by-convicted-sex-offender-resurfaces-amid-controversy-over-fatal-shooting-of-renee-good/
If there's something you want me to read, you need to quote it. (Even
then, I'm down to reading about 1/5th of your posts now, so no
guarantees.) But I guarantee that I won't click on a link to a media
site when you haven't even told me what I'm meant to look at. And
don't say it's the headline. All news outlet headlines are clickbait.
If agents are busy intimidating and killing protestors, gosh, they
aren't trying to capture people like Roberto Carlos Munoz.
Where are the protesters? All I've seen are criminals and rebels
engaging in violent, hostile, thuggish behavior. Your first "victim"
was taking over a public road when she assaulted a law enforcement
officer with a deadly weapon. Your second victim, a spitter and
vandal, was attempting to take over a public road and was brawling
with officers. I'm not saying his shooting was justified. That needs
to be investigated, and his shooter(s)/killer(s) may well need to be
put on trial. But he was no protestor, nor was he a victim. In the way
you've been throwing around words like protestor, victim, and murder,
you are becoming quite the propagandist.
As for your point about this criminal movement's objective, well,
yeah, duh, that comes straight out of their manual.
David Carson
Did you honest to god think commonsense would make any kind of sense
to his kind?
<Marcus90@guess.com> wrote:
Did you honest to god think commonsense would make any kind of sense
to his kind?
It will eventually. At some point the Tontons Macoutes will come for them
as well, and then they'll understand the fuss people have been making.
On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 15:47:26 -0500 (EST), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:
<Marcus90@guess.com> wrote:
Did you honest to god think commonsense would make any kind of sense
to his kind?
It will eventually. At some point the Tontons Macoutes will come for them >>as well, and then they'll understand the fuss people have been making.
No one "came for" Good or Pritti. They both demanded to be dealt with.
David Carson <davidc@wa-wd.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 15:47:26 -0500 (EST), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:
<Marcus90@guess.com> wrote:
Did you honest to god think commonsense would make any kind of sense
to his kind?
It will eventually. At some point the Tontons Macoutes will come for them >>>as well, and then they'll understand the fuss people have been making.
No one "came for" Good or Pritti. They both demanded to be dealt with.
Just wait. Give it time. Tyranny comes on slowly and then all at once.
I've had a number of (legal, US citizen) friends detained and it's pretty >clear to me that ICE is following a new and different playbook. Give it
a bit more time and you'll have friends detained too. Then maybe you'll
be detained. People don't notice it until it happens to them.
--scott
Fri, 30 Jan 2026 16:59:57 -0500 (EST), kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote: >>David Carson <davidc@wa-wd.com> wrote:
Fri, 30 Jan 2026 15:47:26 -0500 (EST), kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey): >>>><Marcus90@guess.com wrote:
Did you honest to god think commonsense would make any kind of sense >>>>>to his kind?
It will eventually. At some point the Tontons Macoutes will come for them >>>>as well, and then they'll understand the fuss people have been making.
No one "came for" Good or Pritti. They both demanded to be dealt with.
Just wait. Give it time. Tyranny comes on slowly and then all at once. >>I've had a number of (legal, US citizen) friends detained and it's pretty >>clear to me that ICE is following a new and different playbook. Give it
a bit more time and you'll have friends detained too. Then maybe you'll
be detained. People don't notice it until it happens to them.
I've already said that I doubt whether Pritti's killer or killers were in
the right and that they might have to face justice. What more do you want? >I'm not going to lie about who Pritti was or what he was doing.
On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 15:47:26 -0500 (EST), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:
<Marcus90@guess.com> wrote:
Did you honest to god think commonsense would make any kind of sense
to his kind?
It will eventually. At some point the Tontons Macoutes will come for them >>as well, and then they'll understand the fuss people have been making.
No one "came for" Good or Pritti. They both demanded to be dealt with.
https://bostontimes.org/2026/01/25/ice-officer-jonathan-rosss-attack-by-convicted-sex-offender-resurfaces-amid-controversy-over-fatal-shooting-of-renee-good/
On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 19:34:54 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
https://bostontimes.org/2026/01/25/ice-officer-jonathan-rosss-attack-by-convicted-sex-offender-resurfaces-amid-controversy-over-fatal-shooting-of-renee-good/
I wish I had found this before posting my earlier reply:
https://babylonbee.com/news/liberals-now-living-in-fear-of-being-senselessly-shot-by-ice-agents-theyre-trying-to-run-over
On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 19:34:54 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
https://bostontimes.org/2026/01/25/ice-officer-jonathan-rosss-attack-by-convicted-sex-offender-resurfaces-amid-controversy-over-fatal-shooting-of-renee-good/
I wish I had found this before posting my earlier reply:
https://babylonbee.com/news/liberals-now-living-in-fear-of-being-senselessly-shot-by-ice-agents-theyre-trying-to-run-over
Louis Epstein <le@lekno.ws> wrote:
More accurately,the agent who realized he was failing to block her
when she tried to drive away from them,so he got out of the way
and shot her.
What idiot tries to stop a driver by blocking the vehicle with his own
body? It's curious that Trump apologists don't explain how that's a >legitimate tactic well-trained police would use.
Surely David Carson, not being a hypocrite, will explain to us that the >driver's clear intent was to cause grievous bodily harm or that this was
an attempted murder, and that the driver could have been shot dead in
lawful self defense.
Louis Epstein <le@lekno.ws> wrote:
More accurately,the agent who realized he was failing to block her
when she tried to drive away from them,so he got out of the way
and shot her.
What idiot tries to stop a driver by blocking the vehicle with his own
body?
Louis Epstein <le@lekno.ws> wrote:
More accurately,the agent who realized he was failing to block her
when she tried to drive away from them,so he got out of the way
and shot her.
What idiot tries to stop a driver by blocking the vehicle with his own
body? It's curious that Trump apologists don't explain how that's a >legitimate tactic well-trained police would use.
Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Louis Epstein <le@lekno.ws> wrote:
More accurately,the agent who realized he was failing to block her
when she tried to drive away from them,so he got out of the way
and shot her.
What idiot tries to stop a driver by blocking the vehicle with his own >>body?
https://x.com/SteveInmanClips/status/2016840890653036572
Wed, 28 Jan 2026 21:28:31 -0800, Travoltron <Travoltron@fakeemail.org>:
On 1/27/2026 10:46 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Let's see if our friends J.D. Baldwin and David Carson can find a way to >>>express any sympathy for the two victims.
I'm sick of your whining about it. I'm glad they're both dead. The world >>is a better place without them.
I do feel bad for the victim, Jonathan Ross. He defended himself from
someone who was engaging in criminal behavior, and who tried to hurt him,
and now he is being made out as a villain. I don't know who is the second >victim Adam is referring to.
Thu, 29 Jan 2026 19:34:54 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
Nice evasion.
https://bostontimes.org/2026/01/25/ice-officer-jonathan-rosss-attack-by-convicted-sex-offender-resurfaces-amid-controversy-over-fatal-shooting-of-renee-good/
If there's something you want me to read, you need to quote it.
(Even then, I'm down to reading about 1/5th of your posts now, so no >guarantees.)
More accurately,the agent who realized he was failing to block her
when she tried to drive away from them,so he got out of the way
and shot her.
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