• Homer's Odyssey

    From Desidarius@desidarius@free.fr to alt.language.latin on Fri Aug 7 04:07:29 2026
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    Nuper novum opus Christophori Nolan in lucem prodiit, cui titulus est
    Odyssea.

    Hoc "cinematographicum" opus nondum vidi; itaque de eo iudicare non
    possum. Sin quis vestrum id vidit, libenter eius sententiam cognoscere
    velim.

    Haec res mihi memoriam revocat praeclarae cuiusdam disputationis, quae
    ante aliquot annos (anno MMXVIII) in hoc ipso foro habita est. Ibi
    "Evertjan" cum "David Amicus" de die reditus Ulixis in Ithacam disputabat.

    Fons huius commentationis iam non exstat; fortasse tamen per "Internet Archive" reperiri potest.

    https://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2016/01/new-date-determined-for-eclipse-in.htm

    Ecce quae in illa pagina continebantur:

    **********************

    New date determined for eclipse in Homer's Odyssey .

    Scientists from the University of Athens have attempted once more to
    date Homer's Odyssey based on the study of astronomical phenomena
    described in the ancient Greek literary materpiece.

    rCLWe believe that the story unfolds around some real events,rCY says professor of Astrophysics of University of Athens Panagiota
    PrekarCoPapadima, who led the research team.

    rCLOdysseus arrived in Ithaca on October 25, 1207 BC. Five days later a
    75% solar eclipse was recorded over the Ionian Sea. This is when
    Odysseus killed the suitors,rCY says Mrs. Papadima.

    rCLWe know from astronomical maps provided by NASA that between 1300 BC
    until 1130 BC, when the Homeric epics are dated, 14 solar eclipses took
    place. Only five were visible in the Ionian. Two of these were only at
    2% and so were probably not noticed, while a third took place at sunset.
    The fourth eclipse occurred in 1143 BC, a date close to the decline of
    the Mycenaean civilization. Another eclipse, however, took place half a century earlier, on October 30, 1207 BC, from 14:30 until 17:30,rCY she explains.

    Mrs. Papadima considers that this eclipse is in full accordance with the description found near the end of the Odyssey, when the seer
    Theoclymenus foretells the death of all the suitors, saying:

    Poor men, what terror is this that overwhelms you so? Night shrouds your heads, your faces, down to your knees rCo cries of mourning are bursting
    into fire rCo cheeks rivering tears rCo the walls and the handsome
    crossbeams dripping dank with blood!
    Ghosts, look, thronging the entrance, thronging the court, go trooping
    down to the realm of death and darkness! The sun is blotted out of the
    sky rCo look there rCo a lethal mist spreads all across the Earth.

    "This is a description of the eclipse which hid 3/4 of the sun," says
    Mr. Papadima. "The date of the eclipse, October 30, 1207 BC, is also in complete agreement with the Homeric descriptions of the autumn rural
    life and the mid-afternoon killing of the suitors," she says.

    "Two such important developments like the murder of all the successors
    in Ithaca and the solar eclipse must have spread rapidly throughout
    Greece as an extremely memorable event" concludes Mrs. Papadima.
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    Desidarius Gallus.
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  • From Ed Cryer@ed@somewhere.in.the.uk to alt.language.latin on Fri Aug 7 11:43:51 2026
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    Desidarius wrote:
    Nuper novum opus Christophori Nolan in lucem prodiit, cui titulus est Odyssea.

    Hoc "cinematographicum" opus nondum vidi; itaque de eo iudicare non
    possum. Sin quis vestrum id vidit, libenter eius sententiam cognoscere velim.

    Haec res mihi memoriam revocat praeclarae cuiusdam disputationis, quae
    ante aliquot annos (anno MMXVIII) in hoc ipso foro habita est. Ibi "Evertjan" cum "David Amicus" de die reditus Ulixis in Ithacam disputabat.

    Fons huius commentationis iam non exstat; fortasse tamen per "Internet Archive" reperiri potest.

    https://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2016/01/new-date-determined- for-eclipse-in.htm

    Ecce quae in illa pagina continebantur:

    **********************

    New date determined for eclipse in Homer's Odyssey .

    Scientists from the University of Athens have attempted once more to
    date Homer's Odyssey based on the study of astronomical phenomena
    described in the ancient Greek literary materpiece.

    rCLWe believe that the story unfolds around some real events,rCY says professor of Astrophysics of University of Athens Panagiota PrekarCo Papadima, who led the research team.

    rCLOdysseus arrived in Ithaca on October 25, 1207 BC. Five days later a
    75% solar eclipse was recorded over the Ionian Sea. This is when
    Odysseus killed the suitors,rCY says Mrs. Papadima.

    rCLWe know from astronomical maps provided by NASA that between 1300 BC until 1130 BC, when the Homeric epics are dated, 14 solar eclipses took place. Only five were visible in the Ionian. Two of these were only at
    2% and so were probably not noticed, while a third took place at sunset.
    The fourth eclipse occurred in 1143 BC, a date close to the decline of
    the Mycenaean civilization. Another eclipse, however, took place half a century earlier, on October 30, 1207 BC, from 14:30 until 17:30,rCY she explains.

    Mrs. Papadima considers that this eclipse is in full accordance with the description found near the end of the Odyssey, when the seer
    Theoclymenus foretells the death of all the suitors, saying:

    Poor men, what terror is this that overwhelms you so? Night shrouds your heads, your faces, down to your knees rCo cries of-a mourning are bursting into fire rCo cheeks rivering tears rCo the walls and the handsome crossbeams dripping dank with blood!
    Ghosts, look, thronging the entrance, thronging the court, go trooping
    down to the realm of death and darkness! The sun is blotted out of the
    sky rCo look there rCo a lethal mist spreads all across the Earth.

    "This is a description of the eclipse which hid 3/4 of the sun," says
    Mr. Papadima. "The date of the eclipse, October 30, 1207 BC, is also in complete agreement with the Homeric descriptions of the autumn rural
    life and the mid-afternoon killing of the suitors," she says.

    "Two such important developments like the murder of all the successors
    in Ithaca and the solar eclipse must have spread rapidly throughout
    Greece as an extremely memorable event" concludes Mrs. Papadima.


    Illam pelliculam ego spectavi nec mihi placuit; milia enim passuum
    videtur abesse a mundo Homerico. Verbum "woke" mihi in mentem venit.

    De illa eclipse solis et tempore quo eventus Odysseae acciderunt, nescio
    quid opinari debeam. Una res tamen animum meum percutit et cogitationes excutit. In eis versibus citatis, num vere eclipsis depingitur? Videntur figurae poeticae de molestiis humanis.
    Quid tu arbitraris?

    Vale

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  • From Ed Cryer@ed@somewhere.in.the.uk to alt.language.latin on Fri Aug 7 12:02:43 2026
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    Ed Cryer wrote:
    Desidarius wrote:
    Nuper novum opus Christophori Nolan in lucem prodiit, cui titulus est
    Odyssea.

    Hoc "cinematographicum" opus nondum vidi; itaque de eo iudicare non
    possum. Sin quis vestrum id vidit, libenter eius sententiam cognoscere
    velim.

    Haec res mihi memoriam revocat praeclarae cuiusdam disputationis, quae
    ante aliquot annos (anno MMXVIII) in hoc ipso foro habita est. Ibi
    "Evertjan" cum "David Amicus" de die reditus Ulixis in Ithacam
    disputabat.

    Fons huius commentationis iam non exstat; fortasse tamen per "Internet
    Archive" reperiri potest.

    https://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2016/01/new-date-
    determined- for-eclipse-in.htm

    Ecce quae in illa pagina continebantur:

    **********************

    New date determined for eclipse in Homer's Odyssey .

    Scientists from the University of Athens have attempted once more to
    date Homer's Odyssey based on the study of astronomical phenomena
    described in the ancient Greek literary materpiece.

    rCLWe believe that the story unfolds around some real events,rCY says
    professor of Astrophysics of University of Athens Panagiota PrekarCo
    Papadima, who led the research team.

    rCLOdysseus arrived in Ithaca on October 25, 1207 BC. Five days later a
    75% solar eclipse was recorded over the Ionian Sea. This is when
    Odysseus killed the suitors,rCY says Mrs. Papadima.

    rCLWe know from astronomical maps provided by NASA that between 1300 BC
    until 1130 BC, when the Homeric epics are dated, 14 solar eclipses
    took place. Only five were visible in the Ionian. Two of these were
    only at 2% and so were probably not noticed, while a third took place
    at sunset. The fourth eclipse occurred in 1143 BC, a date close to the
    decline of the Mycenaean civilization. Another eclipse, however, took
    place half a century earlier, on October 30, 1207 BC, from 14:30 until
    17:30,rCY she explains.

    Mrs. Papadima considers that this eclipse is in full accordance with
    the description found near the end of the Odyssey, when the seer
    Theoclymenus foretells the death of all the suitors, saying:

    Poor men, what terror is this that overwhelms you so? Night shrouds
    your heads, your faces, down to your knees rCo cries of-a mourning are
    bursting into fire rCo cheeks rivering tears rCo the walls and the
    handsome crossbeams dripping dank with blood!
    Ghosts, look, thronging the entrance, thronging the court, go trooping
    down to the realm of death and darkness! The sun is blotted out of the
    sky rCo look there rCo a lethal mist spreads all across the Earth.

    "This is a description of the eclipse which hid 3/4 of the sun," says
    Mr. Papadima. "The date of the eclipse, October 30, 1207 BC, is also
    in complete agreement with the Homeric descriptions of the autumn
    rural life and the mid-afternoon killing of the suitors," she says.

    "Two such important developments like the murder of all the successors
    in Ithaca and the solar eclipse must have spread rapidly throughout
    Greece as an extremely memorable event" concludes Mrs. Papadima.


    Illam pelliculam ego spectavi nec mihi placuit; milia enim passuum
    videtur abesse a mundo Homerico. Verbum "woke" mihi in mentem venit.

    De illa eclipse solis et tempore quo eventus Odysseae acciderunt, nescio quid opinari debeam. Una res tamen animum meum percutit et cogitationes excutit. In eis versibus citatis, num vere eclipsis depingitur? Videntur figurae poeticae de molestiis humanis.
    Quid tu arbitraris?

    Vale


    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.language.latin/search?q=Odyssey

    Estne hic locus tibi subsidio?

    Edus
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  • From Desidarius@desidarius@free.fr to alt.language.latin on Fri Aug 7 21:51:55 2026
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    Le 07/08/2026 |a 12:43, Ed Cryer a |-crit-a:
    Desidarius wrote:
    [..]

    Illam pelliculam ego spectavi nec mihi placuit; milia enim passuum
    videtur abesse a mundo Homerico. Verbum "woke" mihi in mentem venit.

    De illa eclipse solis et tempore quo eventus Odysseae acciderunt, nescio quid opinari debeam. Una res tamen animum meum percutit et cogitationes excutit. In eis versibus citatis, num vere eclipsis depingitur? Videntur figurae poeticae de molestiis humanis.
    Quid tu arbitraris?

    Vale


    Gratias ago pro commentario tuo de opere Christophori Nolan; idem enim iudicium iam saepius audivi.

    Quod ad ea attinet quae quasi eclipsim describere videntur, arbitror
    noctem saepe ad animi perturbationem significandam adhiberi. Attamen
    haec sententia: "Sol e caelo deletur; aspice illic: letalis caligo per
    totam terram diffunditur," satis aperta est. Mihi videtur animi
    perturbationem et solis obscurationem se invicem augere atque confirmare.

    Ita vero, epistulas veteres fori saepe relego; sed omnia illa in
    "computatro" meo servo.
    --
    Desidarius Gallus.

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