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On Sat, 17 May 2025 19:22:17 +0000, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

Etymological dictionaries agree that the widely borrowed Latin
"cadaver" derives from "cadere" 'to fall', but they gloss over the
details. Where's the -v- from? I can't tell if this is simply
obvious--if you actually know Latin, which I don't--or genuinely
unknown.

Many perfect stems have -v-, but cadere has a reduplicating perfect,
cecidi. Also, the perfect -v- doesn't appear in participle stems,
I think, which would be the most likely source to derive a noun
from.

So how _is_ cadaver formed from cadere?

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One theory is that the -v- comes from analogy with other
Latin nouns ending in -ver or -vus (e.g., palaver, pulver from pulvis
"dust"). Latin sometimes inserts a -v- as a connective or euphonic
element.



Word (Root Suffix) Meaning

pulvis (pul- -vis) dust
suavis (su- -avis) sweet
clavis (cla- -vis) key
cadaver (cad- -aver) corpse
amavi (ama- -vi) I have loved
vocavi (voca- -vi) I have called



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Reminds me of the question(s),

where does N in Javanese come from?

where does L in Congolese come from?
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From Newsgroup: alt.language.latin

HenHanna wrote:

On Sat, 17 May 2025 19:22:17 +0000, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

Etymological dictionaries agree that the widely borrowed Latin
"cadaver" derives from "cadere" 'to fall', but they gloss over the
details.-a Where's the -v- from?-a I can't tell if this is simply
obvious--if you actually know Latin, which I don't--or genuinely
unknown.

Many perfect stems have -v-, but cadere has a reduplicating perfect,
cecidi.-a Also, the perfect -v- doesn't appear in participle stems,
I think, which would be the most likely source to derive a noun
from.

So how _is_ cadaver formed from cadere?

_________________

-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a One-a theory is that the -v- comes from analogy with other
Latin nouns ending in -ver or -vus (e.g., palaver, pulver from pulvis "dust"). Latin sometimes inserts a -v- as a connective or euphonic
element.

Word-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a (Root-a-a-a Suffix)-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Meaning

pulvis-a-a-a-a-a (pul--a-a-a -vis)-a-a-a-a-a-a-a dust
suavis-a-a-a-a-a (su--a-a-a -avis)-a-a-a-a-a-a sweet
clavis-a-a-a-a-a (cla--a-a-a -vis)-a-a-a-a-a-a-a key
cadaver-a-a-a-a-a (cad--a-a-a -aver)-a-a-a-a-a-a corpse
amavi-a-a-a-a-a-a (ama--a-a-a -vi)-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a I have loved vocavi-a-a-a-a-a (voca--a-a-a -vi)-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a I have called

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-a-a Reminds me of the question(s),

-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a where does-a N-a in-a-a Javanese-a-a-a-a come from?

-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a where does-a L-a in-a-a Congolese-a-a-a come from?

Maybe "cadaver" is two conjoined words; "cado" + "averto".

Ed
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