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[try it on for size] --- this was so common in the movies of the
1950s, 1960s

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On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 1:49:34 +0000, HenHanna wrote:

[try it on for size] --- this was so common in the movies of the
1950s, 1960s

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The phrase "Give it to me, and fast" reflects the terse, urgent dialogue characteristic of film noir, which flourished from the 1940s to the
1950s.


I was going nowhere fast.

give me expressions like Silver-tongued --- common in Noir films, now
rare

"Tight-lipped" - Referring to someone who is secretive or unwilling to
share information.
"Hard-boiled" - Describing a tough, uncompromising character, often a
detective or anti-hero.

"On the lam" - Meaning to be on the run or escaping from the law.

"In the crosshairs" - Indicating someone who is in danger or being
targeted.
"Caught between a rock and a hard place" - Facing a difficult dilemma
with no good options.

"Throwing in the towel" - Surrendering or giving up, often after a
struggle.


"The big sleep" - A euphemism for death, famously used in Raymond
Chandler's works.

_________________________ interesting! i never think of it other than
as the movie title.

dame, broad

on the level

on the QT

stick to you like white on rice

guilty as sin

safe as churches

"the law"

"throw the book at"

hang for it

the big house

"Who wants to know?"
"Who's asking?"



Origin: The use of "broad" to refer to a woman dates back to the
early 20th century, particularly in American slang.

It is believed to derive from the term "broad-shouldered," which was
used to describe a woman with a strong, robust physique.


Connotation: Initially, the term may have had a neutral or even affectionate connotation, but over time, it has often been viewed as
derogatory or objectifying, depending on the context in which it is
used.

Cultural Context: The slang gained popularity in the 1920s and
was commonly used in jazz culture and among the urban working class.

________________________

Does a [Blue Note] signify a Jazz chord?


Yes, a blue note is a musical term commonly used in jazz, as well as in
blues and other genres.

Definition:

Blue Note: Typically refers to a note that is sung or played at
a slightly lower pitch than the standard pitch. In the context of jazz,
blue notes are often the third, fifth, or seventh notes of a scale,
flattened to create a more expressive sound.


Context in Jazz:

Chords: Blue notes are frequently incorporated into jazz chords,
giving them a distinct, soulful character. For example, a major chord
may include a flattened third (the blue note), transforming it into a
more complex and emotionally rich sound.


_______________________


Louis Armstrong used the phrase "blue it up" in reference to the song
"When the Saints Go Marching In."

In this context, he encouraged musicians to add a soulful, bluesy feel
to the traditional piece, transforming it with jazz elements.

Context:

"When the Saints Go Marching In": This song is a gospel hymn that became popular in jazz, especially associated with New Orleans jazz.

Armstrong's version highlights improvisation and emotional expression.
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On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 22:26:00 +0000, HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null>
wrote:

Origin: The use of "broad" to refer to a woman dates back to the
early 20th century, particularly in American slang.

It is believed to derive from the term "broad-shouldered," which was
used to describe a woman with a strong, robust physique.

I didn't see "broad-shouldered" in anything Google high-lighted.

Slang sense of "woman" is by 1911, perhaps suggestive of broad
hips, but it also might trace to American English abroadwife, word
for a woman (often a slave) away from her husband.

What a "broad-shouldered" dame reminds me of: 55 years ago,
a pal was driving us through the entertainment district of
Baltimore and he started pointing out to me which of the
apparent prostitutes were men in drag. When I asked how
he knew, he started with the strong clue, Broad shoulders.
Also, ones who were over 6-foot tall. Or, an obvious Adam's apple.
--
Rich Ulrich
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 5:49:37 +0000, Rich Ulrich wrote:

On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 22:26:00 +0000, HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null>
wrote:

Origin: The use of "broad" to refer to a woman dates back to the >>early 20th century, particularly in American slang.

It is believed to derive from the term "broad-shouldered," which was
used to describe a woman with a strong, robust physique.

I didn't see "broad-shouldered" in anything Google high-lighted.

Slang sense of "woman" is by 1911, perhaps suggestive of broad
hips, but it also might trace to American English abroadwife, word
for a woman (often a slave) away from her husband.

What a "broad-shouldered" dame reminds me of: 55 years ago,
a pal was driving us through the entertainment district of
Baltimore and he started pointing out to me which of the
apparent prostitutes were men in drag. When I asked how
he knew, he started with the strong clue, Broad shoulders.
Also, ones who were over 6-foot tall.

"6 feet tall", as the phrase is predicative?

Or, an obvious Adam's apple.

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On 14/11/24 17:29, Bebercito wrote:

On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 5:49:37 +0000, Rich Ulrich wrote:

Also, ones who were over 6-foot tall.

"6 feet tall", as the phrase is predicative?

This construct is relatively common in English. Six foot under, five
mile down the road, and so on. I have a vague memory of reading that
this is a remnant of the Anglo-Saxon genitive plural.
--
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
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Le 14/11/2024 |a 06:29, Bebercito a |-crit :

On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 5:49:37 +0000, Rich Ulrich wrote:

What a "broad-shouldered" dame reminds me of: 55 years ago,
a pal was driving us through the entertainment district of
Baltimore and he started pointing out to me which of the
apparent prostitutes were men in drag.-a When I asked how
he knew, he started with the strong clue, Broad shoulders.
Also, ones who were over 6-foot tall.

"6 feet tall", as the phrase is predicative?

"In front of another noun, the plural for the unit of length is /foot/:
/a 20-foot putt/; /his 70-foot ketch/. /Foot/ can also be used instead
of /feet/ when mentioning a quantity and in front of words like /tall/:
/four foot of snow/; /he is at least six foot tall/" - <https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/foot>

The OED puts it differently: "Often in singular when preceded by
numbers... /The Cross 15 Foot and an half high, and very near 6 Foot
across/ [De Laune, 1681]...."

Or, an obvious Adam's apple.

Or big hands. Or - ha! - twelve-inch or one-foot feet.

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On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 8:47:51 +0000, Hibou wrote:

Le 14/11/2024 |a 06:29, Bebercito a |-crit :

On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 5:49:37 +0000, Rich Ulrich wrote:

What a "broad-shouldered" dame reminds me of: 55 years ago,
a pal was driving us through the entertainment district of
Baltimore and he started pointing out to me which of the
apparent prostitutes were men in drag.-a When I asked how
he knew, he started with the strong clue, Broad shoulders.
Also, ones who were over 6-foot tall.

"6 feet tall", as the phrase is predicative?

"In front of another noun, the plural for the unit of length is /foot/:
/a 20-foot putt/; /his 70-foot ketch/. /Foot/ can also be used instead
of /feet/ when mentioning a quantity and in front of words like /tall/:
/four foot of snow/; /he is at least six foot tall/" - <https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/foot>

That's wrong. In attributive compounds, the singular is
normal, especially after numbers. A five-mile walk,
a seven-piece band, a three-person job, a two-feather
hobbit, an eleven-year-old boy, a hundred=year flood,
many-body physics.

There are a few exceptions, such as the two knights
defense in chess.

(There's also a version with -ed, as in "six-legged
arthropods".)

The OED puts it differently: "Often in singular when preceded by
numbers... /The Cross 15 Foot and an half high, and very near 6 Foot
across/ [De Laune, 1681]...."

..

That's a lot better.

--
Jerry Friedman

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Le 14/11/2024 |a 15:18, jerryfriedman a |-crit :

On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 8:47:51 +0000, Hibou wrote:

Le 14/11/2024 |a 06:29, Bebercito a |-crit :

On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 5:49:37 +0000, Rich Ulrich wrote:

What a "broad-shouldered" dame reminds me of: 55 years ago,
a pal was driving us through the entertainment district of
Baltimore and he started pointing out to me which of the
apparent prostitutes were men in drag.-a When I asked how
he knew, he started with the strong clue, Broad shoulders.
Also, ones who were over 6-foot tall.

"6 feet tall", as the phrase is predicative?

"In front of another noun, the plural for the unit of length is /foot/:
/a 20-foot putt/; /his 70-foot ketch/. /Foot/ can also be used instead
of /feet/ when mentioning a quantity and in front of words like /tall/:
/four foot of snow/; /he is at least six foot tall/" -
<https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/foot>

That's wrong.-a In attributive compounds, the singular is
normal, especially after numbers.-a A five-mile walk,
a seven-piece band, a three-person job, a two-feather
hobbit, an eleven-year-old boy, a hundred=year flood,
many-body physics.

There are a few exceptions, such as the two knights
defense in chess.

(There's also a version with -ed, as in "six-legged
arthropods".)

The OED puts it differently: "Often in singular when preceded by
numbers... /The Cross 15 Foot and an half high, and very near 6 Foot
across/ [De Laune, 1681]...."

..

That's a lot better.

I agree.


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On 2024-11-14, Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:

Origin: The use of "broad" to refer to a woman dates back to the >>early 20th century, particularly in American slang.

Slang sense of "woman" is by 1911, perhaps suggestive of broad
hips, but it also might trace to American English abroadwife, word
for a woman (often a slave) away from her husband.

That's the sort of thing you look up in _GreenrCOs Dictionary of Slang_ https://greensdictofslang.com/
... which unfortunately doesn't provide a definitive answer either
in this case.

The slang term is typically rendered as "Braut" into German, and I
never gave this any thought because the words are so similar, but
now I notice that "Braut" is of course cognate with "bride", so
"broad" can't really be connected... unless it's a borrowing from
another Germanic language? But neither German "Braut", nor Dutch
"bruid", nor Scandinavian "brud" seem quite right.
--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 18:45:47 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:

On 14/11/24 17:29, Bebercito wrote:

On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 5:49:37 +0000, Rich Ulrich wrote:

Also, ones who were over 6-foot tall.

"6 feet tall", as the phrase is predicative?

This construct is relatively common in English. Six foot under, five
mile down the road, and so on. I have a vague memory of reading that
this is a remnant of the Anglo-Saxon genitive plural.

I sounded it out several times before I decided that "6-foot"
sounded better to me -- sounded like what my friend Bill must
have said at the time. (He was born and raised in Baltimore.)

In my Texas (Panhandle) background, I think "6-foot" ruled,
but 50 years in Pittsburgh (academic environment of university
and hospital) might lead me to "6-feet" in a different context.
--
Rich Ulrich
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Ar an ceathr|| l|i d|-ag de m|! na Samhain, scr|!obh Christian Weisgerber:

On 2024-11-14, Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:

Origin: The use of "broad" to refer to a woman dates back to the >>early 20th century, particularly in American slang.

Slang sense of "woman" is by 1911, perhaps suggestive of broad
hips, but it also might trace to American English abroadwife, word
for a woman (often a slave) away from her husband.

That's the sort of thing you look up in _GreenrCOs Dictionary of Slang_ https://greensdictofslang.com/
... which unfortunately doesn't provide a definitive answer either
in this case.

The slang term is typically rendered as "Braut" into German, and I
never gave this any thought because the words are so similar, but
now I notice that "Braut" is of course cognate with "bride", so
"broad" can't really be connected... unless it's a borrowing from
another Germanic language? But neither German "Braut", nor Dutch
"bruid", nor Scandinavian "brud" seem quite right.

ThererCOs not reason it canrCOt be a borrowing (in that sense) from German or from
Dutch, with it being first attested in the US at a point when the recent German immigrant proportion of the population was as its highest.
--
rCyAs I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stoutrCO
(C. Moore)
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 8:47:51 +0000, Hibou wrote:

Le 14/11/2024 |a 06:29, Bebercito a |-crit :

On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 5:49:37 +0000, Rich Ulrich wrote:

What a "broad-shouldered" dame reminds me of: 55 years ago,
a pal was driving us through the entertainment district of
Baltimore and he started pointing out to me which of the
apparent prostitutes were men in drag.-a When I asked how
he knew, he started with the strong clue, Broad shoulders.
Also, ones who were over 6-foot tall.

"6 feet tall", as the phrase is predicative?

"In front of another noun, the plural for the unit of length is /foot/:
/a 20-foot putt/; /his 70-foot ketch/. /Foot/ can also be used instead
of /feet/ when mentioning a quantity and in front of words like /tall/:
/four foot of snow/; /he is at least six foot tall/" - <https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/foot>

The OED puts it differently: "Often in singular when preceded by
numbers... /The Cross 15 Foot and an half high, and very near 6 Foot
across/ [De Laune, 1681]...."

IMHO, both explanations miss the point, which is that with an
"attributive" construction where the adjectival phrase (in this
case a number followed by an adjective) can be placed before
or after the noun (as with the Cross in your example), the singular
is used in the adjectival phrase, whereas with a "predicative"
construction, where the adjectival phrase follows a copula
(e.g. "is", "becomes"...), the noun is in the plural (that is if
the number in the adjectival phrase is greater than one).

Or, an obvious Adam's apple.

Or big hands. Or - ha! - twelve-inch or one-foot feet.

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