• a smart Lawyer woman says [things done]

    From HenHanna@HenHanna@dev.null to sci.lang,alt.usage.english,alt.language.latin on Wed Nov 6 08:59:22 2024
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    i wonder... if lots of expressions that we use
    are actually like Calques (from Old French, or Latin)

    like this [things done]

    ok... Sound and Fury , ... are examples.


    [Sound and Fury] actually means [Furious Sound] !!!

    [The kingdom and the power and the glory] actually means
    [glorious, powerful kingdom]


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    in the S.H. stories, there are maybe 2 dozen very
    subtle examples where Latin expressions are given in English....


    i rememer a scene from a movie in which a smart Lawyer woman
    says [things done] and i thougt that was a
    kind of English phrase that Bacon would have used...
    (a calque, a Latin phrase in disguise)

    She said in a quiet, philosophical way... that
    was a hint (wink-wink) for me.

    _________________________________i learned about [fact] maybe 10 years
    ago

    Latin: The term comes from the Latin word "factum," which means "a thing
    done" or "deed." It is the neuter form of "factus," the past participle
    of "facere," meaning "to do" or "to make."

    Old French: The word passed into Middle English through Old French as
    "fait," which also means "a deed" or "an event."

    _________________________________i learned about [res gestae] maybe 30
    years ago

    Res Gestae Exception: The "res gestae" doctrine allows certain
    statements made during or immediately after an event to be admitted as evidence, even if they are hearsay. This is because these statements are considered to be spontaneous and made while the declarant was still
    under the stress of the event, thus reflecting a sense of immediacy and reliability.


    "res gestae" is still used by American lawyers today, particularly in
    the context of evidence law.

    In legal settings, the term refers to statements or actions that are
    considered part of the same event or transaction and are admissible in
    court as evidence.

    Key Points:

    Admissibility: Statements that fall under "res gestae" can be admitted
    as evidence because they are seen as spontaneous or contemporaneous with
    the event in question, which adds to their reliability.

    Examples: This can include things like excited utterances made during an
    event, or actions that help explain the context of a situation.

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    "Res gestae" is a Latin phrase that translates to "things done" or
    "deeds accomplished." It is often used in various contexts, including:

    Historical Context: Referring to the deeds or actions of a person,
    especially in historical texts. One of the most famous uses is in the
    title of "Res Gestae Divi Augusti," which translates to "The Deeds of
    the Divine Augustus," a record of the achievements of Emperor Augustus.

    Legal Context: In legal terms, "res gestae" refers to events or
    statements that are part of the same transaction or occurrence and can
    be considered as evidence in a court case. It allows certain statements
    made during the event to be admissible as evidence, under the premise
    that they are part of the context in which the actions occurred.
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