From Newsgroup: alt.language.latin

[Yes, I want to be in that number] <-- i've never heard this idiom
anywhere else


The phrase "I want to be in that number" is an idiomatic
expression that conveys a desire to be included in a particular group or experience, often associated with something positive or significant. ...........


This kind of phrasing can be found in various songs and
traditions, especially in spirituals and gospel music

________________________________


Yes, the idiom "I want to be in that number" could have
connections to Latin, particularly in the way classical texts often
emphasize collective groups or communities.

The concept of "number" in this context refers to a group of
people, which can be seen in various Latin phrases that highlight
community and belonging.

For example, the Latin word "numerus" means "number," and in literature, it is often used to refer to groups of people or to indicate
a count. Additionally, in religious contexts, Latin hymns and texts
often speak of being part of a divine assembly or congregation

____________________________


A well-known Latin maxim that includes "in numerum" is:

"In numerum iis qui adsumus"

This translates to "In the number of those who are present."
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.language.latin

On Sat, 2 Nov 2024 17:09:42 +0000, HenHanna wrote:

[Yes, I want to be in that number] <-- i've never heard this idiom
anywhere else

<snip>

It is a direct quote from the best known song by the
most recognisable singer ever. Sit back and enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyLjbMBpGDA
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.language.latin

On Sat, 2 Nov 2024 17:18:42 +0000, LionelEdwards wrote:

On Sat, 2 Nov 2024 17:09:42 +0000, HenHanna wrote:

[Yes, I want to be in that number] <-- i've never heard this idiom
anywhere else

<snip>

It is a direct quote from the best known song by the
most recognisable singer ever. Sit back and enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyLjbMBpGDA

I see Jewel Brown died in June of this year.

Other backing singers who came close to eclipsing the
band they were accompanying? Merry Clayton?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeglgSWKSIY
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.language.latin

On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 19:20:32 +0000, HenHanna wrote:

On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 10:00:37 +0000, Ross Clark wrote:

On 3/11/2024 6:18 a.m., LionelEdwards wrote:

On Sat, 2 Nov 2024 17:09:42 +0000, HenHanna wrote:

[Yes, I want to be in that number] <-- i've never heard this idiom
anywhere else

<snip>

It is a direct quote from the best known song by the
most recognisable singer ever. Sit back and enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyLjbMBpGDA

Without looking, I can guess the song and the singer.
Just sticking to that theme, I looked at the uses of "number" in the old
Bible concordance I keep in a cupboard. There is a lot of numbering of
groups of people in the Bible -- tribes, armies, the elect... (There's
even a whole book in the OT called Numbers.) You can easily see the
extension from the number (the figure) to the list or roll of names of
people in the group. "When the roll is called up yonder, I'll be there"
-- from another old song -- refers to the same situation.

Who's the drummer? (looks a bit Asian) He looks like young Jacky Chan.

______________

>>> While "number" and "numb" do not share a direct lineage, they
derive from different roots that have been influenced by similar sounds
and concepts over time. The connection might be more phonetic than
semantic.

german Zahl seems to be related to Tally. but not to Dollar.

prob. not to Tailor (tailler)


"Il faut tailler les rosiers au printemps pour qu'ils fleurissent
mieux."
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.language.latin

On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 0:24:04 +0000, HenHanna wrote:

On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 19:20:32 +0000, HenHanna wrote:

On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 10:00:37 +0000, Ross Clark wrote:

On 3/11/2024 6:18 a.m., LionelEdwards wrote:

On Sat, 2 Nov 2024 17:09:42 +0000, HenHanna wrote:

[Yes, I want to be in that number] <-- i've never heard this idiom
anywhere else

<snip>

It is a direct quote from the best known song by the
most recognisable singer ever. Sit back and enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyLjbMBpGDA

Without looking, I can guess the song and the singer.
Just sticking to that theme, I looked at the uses of "number" in the old >>> Bible concordance I keep in a cupboard. There is a lot of numbering of
groups of people in the Bible -- tribes, armies, the elect... (There's
even a whole book in the OT called Numbers.) You can easily see the
extension from the number (the figure) to the list or roll of names of
people in the group. "When the roll is called up yonder, I'll be there"
-- from another old song -- refers to the same situation.

Who's the drummer? (looks a bit Asian) He looks like young Jacky Chan.

"Danny Barcelona a little Filipino boy on the drums", says
the little Caribbean boy Sachmo.

"Boy" in those days was a derogatory term for negro.
He is claiming ownership of the insult, much as the Tories
in the UK took ownership of their insulting epithet.

"Old Contemptibles" in WWI did the same.
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.language.latin

HenHanna wrote:

[Yes, I want to be in that number] <-- i've never heard this idiom
anywhere else

-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a The phrase "I want to be in that number" is an idiomatic expression that conveys a desire to be included in a particular group or experience, often associated with something positive or significant. ...........

-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a This kind of phrasing can be found in various songs and traditions, especially in spirituals and gospel music

I should think that the most likely source of that "number" in "Oh When
The Saints Go Marching In" is the last book of the New Testament in the
Bible; the Apocalypse.
That book is full of numbers; 4 and 7 occur a lot, 666 will be the
number of the Antichrist (I once read that that pointed to the Roman
emperor Nero, but can't recall the convoluted reasoning; something to do
with the letters of Nero's name), and then, of course, the 144,000 who
will be saved because of their righteousness (12,000 from each of the
tribes of Israel). Those are the saints who'll go marching into heaven.
And, yeah, I'd like to be there, too, but I doubt I'm half good enough.

Greek language, rather than Latin; Roman intellectuals tended to
venerate classical Greek culture; and copy it.

Ed

--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.language.latin

Le 04/11/2024 |a 13:05, Ed Cryer a |-crit-a:

HenHanna wrote:

[..]

And, yeah, I'd like to be there, too, but I doubt I'm half good enough.

Ed

Using ChatGPT 4.o:

"Si opus est bono advocato, me vocate. Dicam quod, cum multum communicaveritis, iustum sit ut multum accipiatis."

But on the other hand: the court-appointed lawyer is the best of all....
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.language.latin

Ed Cryer wrote:

HenHanna wrote:

[Yes, I want to be in that number] <-- i've never heard this idiom
anywhere else


-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a The phrase "I want to be in that number" is an idiomatic
expression that conveys a desire to be included in a particular group or
experience, often associated with something positive or significant.
...........


-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a This kind of phrasing can be found in various songs and >> traditions, especially in spirituals and gospel music

I should think that the most likely source of that "number" in "Oh When
The Saints Go Marching In" is the last book of the New Testament in the Bible; the Apocalypse.
That book is full of numbers; 4 and 7 occur a lot, 666 will be the
number of the Antichrist (I once read that that pointed to the Roman
emperor Nero, but can't recall the convoluted reasoning; something to do with the letters of Nero's name), and then, of course, the 144,000 who
will be saved because of their righteousness (12,000 from each of the
tribes of Israel). Those are the saints who'll go marching into heaven.
And, yeah, I'd like to be there, too, but I doubt I'm half good enough.

Greek language, rather than Latin; Roman intellectuals tended to
venerate classical Greek culture; and copy it.

Ed

If God was correct in his estimate of 144,000, then, given that the
current population of homo sapiens is 8 billion, that would mean that
only 1 in every half million will be saved.
Maybe 2,000 years ago, however, the population of the world was about
300 million. That would mean that 1 in 21,000 would make it safely through.

Either way, it's a staggeringly low figure. We don't appear to be a very God-loved species. It's almost as if God produces us in excessive
quantity to ensure sufficient top quality. That is how much of the
natural world works. Turtles, for example; they lay vast quantities of
eggs up the beach in the sand, and when those hatch out the little ones
have to run a gauntlet to the sea, in which most get picked off by gulls
and other predators. But, even so, more turtles make it than we humans
make it beyond Armageddon.

(:- British satire is not dead. Ricky Gervais, do you want a
screen-writer?

Ed

--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.language.latin

On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 12:05:00 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:

HenHanna wrote:

[Yes, I want to be in that number] <-- i've never heard this idiom
anywhere else


-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a The phrase "I want to be in that number" is an idiomatic >> expression that conveys a desire to be included in a particular group or
experience, often associated with something positive or significant.
...........


-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a This kind of phrasing can be found in various songs and >> traditions, especially in spirituals and gospel music

I should think that the most likely source of that "number" in "Oh When
The Saints Go Marching In" is the last book of the New Testament in the Bible; the Apocalypse.
That book is full of numbers; 4 and 7 occur a lot, 666 will be the
number of the Antichrist (I once read that that pointed to the Roman
emperor Nero, but can't recall the convoluted reasoning; something to do
with the letters of Nero's name), and then, of course, the 144,000 who
will be saved because of their righteousness (12,000 from each of the
tribes of Israel). Those are the saints who'll go marching into heaven.
And, yeah, I'd like to be there, too, but I doubt I'm half good enough.

Greek language, rather than Latin; Roman intellectuals tended to
venerate classical Greek culture; and copy it.

Ed

OED: number (n) II.8.b.
c1350rCo
A particular body or company of persons or things. Now only in
constructions denoting inclusion, as of (also in, etc.) the number (of).


1785 The Emperor continues to give proofs of his desire of receiving us
into the number of his tributaries. (T.Jefferson, letter)


--------------- THank you... Number symbolism in FW is something
i think about pretty often.....

esp... ---------


ALP has three children, Roman Numeral III.
1+1+1=3 is also Delta (a triangle), ALP's symbol.

i don't think HCE has a number associated with him...
except maybe 7 (?) pieces of clothing, taht he has on him.
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.language.latin

Le 04/11/2024 |a 12:05, Ed Cryer a |-crit :

I should think that the most likely source of that "number" in "Oh When
The Saints Go Marching In" is the last book of the New Testament in the Bible; the Apocalypse.
That book is full of numbers; 4 and 7 occur a lot, 666 will be the
number of the Antichrist (I once read that that pointed to the Roman
emperor Nero, but can't recall the convoluted reasoning; something to do with the letters of Nero's name), and then, of course, the 144,000 who
will be saved because of their righteousness (12,000 from each of the
tribes of Israel). Those are the saints who'll go marching into heaven.

144,000 is 395 for each day of the year. That may give calendar makers a problem.

And, yeah, I'd like to be there, too, but I doubt I'm half good enough. [...]

Hobnobbing with the saintly for all of eternity? Sounds perfectly frightful.

--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.language.latin

Ed Cryer wrote:

Ed Cryer wrote:

HenHanna wrote:

[Yes, I want to be in that number] <-- i've never heard this idiom
anywhere else


-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a The phrase "I want to be in that number" is an idiomatic
expression that conveys a desire to be included in a particular group or >>> experience, often associated with something positive or significant.
...........


-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a This kind of phrasing can be found in various songs and
traditions, especially in spirituals and gospel music

I should think that the most likely source of that "number" in "Oh
When The Saints Go Marching In" is the last book of the New Testament
in the Bible; the Apocalypse.
That book is full of numbers; 4 and 7 occur a lot, 666 will be the
number of the Antichrist (I once read that that pointed to the Roman
emperor Nero, but can't recall the convoluted reasoning; something to
do with the letters of Nero's name), and then, of course, the 144,000
who will be saved because of their righteousness (12,000 from each of
the tribes of Israel). Those are the saints who'll go marching into
heaven.
And, yeah, I'd like to be there, too, but I doubt I'm half good enough.

Greek language, rather than Latin; Roman intellectuals tended to
venerate classical Greek culture; and copy it.

Ed

If God was correct in his estimate of 144,000, then, given that the
current population of homo sapiens is 8 billion, that would mean that
only 1 in every half million will be saved.
Maybe 2,000 years ago, however, the population of the world was about
300 million. That would mean that 1 in 21,000 would make it safely through.

Either way, it's a staggeringly low figure. We don't appear to be a very God-loved species. It's almost as if God produces us in excessive
quantity to ensure sufficient top quality. That is how much of the
natural world works. Turtles, for example; they lay vast quantities of
eggs up the beach in the sand, and when those hatch out the little ones
have to run a gauntlet to the sea, in which most get picked off by gulls
and other predators. But, even so, more turtles make it than we humans
make it beyond Armageddon.

(:--a-a British satire is not dead. Ricky Gervais, do you want a screen-writer?

Ed

I wonder if Louis Armstrong will be saved. He certainly looked as if he
wanted to be; blowing his horn like Gabriel, cheeks all puffed out and
eyes closed.
But does God take that as permission for entry?
Louis was probably used to barred entry; he would have had to use the tradesmen's entry for most of his gigs.

Ed (;-


--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2