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In sci.electronics.repair, on Tue, 11 Feb 2025 17:39:33 +0100, Hank <hankrobins@notspam.uk> wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote to us on Tue, 11 Feb 2025 14:10:21 +0100:

But I'm not sure because everyone wants what I want so why is it so hard? >>> a. I want a camera that can't even get on the Internet
b. I want it to be Wi-Fi only
c. From the camera to my router and from my router to my phone

Why is that so hard to do when it's what everyone wants to do?

Because many people want the camera on Internet. Ie, they want to access
the camera from anywhere.

This would be possible to do with IPv6 without an intermediary.

Yeah. I know. I said it wrong. I don't care if it goes on the Internet if >what you want is to look at your video from somewhere far far away, but I >want it to be able to NOT go onto the Internet just to look at your pool.

Amazon used to have a visibile list of questions and answers but now
they have the asbility to ask questions (and to see previous questions
and answers if you use the right search terms. So maybe you can get an
idea that way. I think the first model uyou listed that I replied
about, on eeither home repair or electronics repair, ... I asked about
that, whether you could view the pictured on a PC and the alleged AI
said yes. Then I asked if you could control the pan and tilt with the
PC and AAI said it found nothing about that (so, No.) How that
affects your needs I don't know.

I have a similar question to yours. Do they make one where you can view
the image and control the pan and tilt with a PC. I don't mind having
to set it up with a phone, but I don't want to need the phone after
that, because my phone is rarely on, and my PC is always on.

I have no pool or kids to worry aobut. I just want to see the deer who
pass by, and the robins if they are eating my cherries. Their privacy
is important to me, but not enough to worry if they're on the web, but I
want to do everything with a PC. (If my house is being robbed while
I'm away, I don't want to know about it.)

I don't need my kids on the Internet that way, and I'm sure I'm not alone. >It's what everyone would want even if they *also* want it on the Internet.

This camera looked like it would be able to also NOT be in the Internet.
But I haven't seen any data yet go onto the sdcard the camera formatted. >https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D9XJNZWJ & https://eseecloud.app/download/

It worked great at the pool with the separate USB-C output solar panel too! >https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DDKKR14V >https://i.postimg.cc/kMS5dLHX/wificam.jpg

But it sends pictures of my kids to some server on the Internet, which I'm >sure lots of people probably want to happen but lots must NOT want that.

Since everyone must want a Wi-Fi camera that can at least save its events >onto the sdcard and which you can log into from home without the net....

There must be a camera that is Wi-Fi that, even if it can go onto the >Internet, that you can log into from your home when you're at home.

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In sci.electronics.repair, on Tue, 11 Feb 2025 19:50:15 +0100, "Carlos
E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

There must be a camera that is Wi-Fi that, even if it can go onto the
Internet, that you can log into from your home when you're at home.

I guess that LAN only cameras are easier to find with Ethernet
networking (ie, PoE).

You have to seek cameras with fewer smarts. For example, if they do
"smart" things like face recognition for cheap, chances are they use an >outside server.

All deer and robins look alike to me.
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"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:

But I'm not sure because everyone wants what I want so why is it so
hard?
a. I want a camera that can't even get on the Internet
b. I want it to be Wi-Fi only
c. From the camera to my router and from my router to my phone

Why is that so hard to do when it's what everyone wants to do?

Because the Seller wants not to sell you a widget; they want to
get you trapped into renting a service that requires you pay and
pay and pay.
--
A host is a host from coast to coast...............wb8foz@panix.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
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"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:

Notice that Ethernet cameras are normally PoE. Maybe you haven't
noticed, this means "power over ethernet". Two of the wires in the
ethernet connection (RJ45) are used to provide electricity to the
camera, thus saving in an extra connection and hardware. But means you
mean to install a PoE Switch to provide this special Ethernet connection >(which can of course power a number of cameras)

Not quite.

IEEE 802.3af-2003 uses Phantom Power of Olden-Daze .
The transformers at center-tapped;

Secondary winding:

--------------- Bl/W To camera via CAT 5/6
\
/
== CT +
\
/
--------------- W/Bl To camera via CAT 5/6

The unshown primary windings provides the data. The CT is
connected to the power supply.

This is just the data TO the device; an identical second one
is for the data back FROM the camera. Its CT will be the power
supply negative.

This is replicated at the camera.
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& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
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On Amazon, I have already researched cameras that "claim" they do what
everyone wants them to do, but none of the ones I can find work right.

For example, this type of camera requires a carrier's SIM card plan.
$50 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DFG6K9YM/
I don't want to pay forever for a carrier's SIM plan when I already have
Wi-Fi at my house which works just fine without needing cellular plans.

And this type of camera sends everything to China & then back to you!
$40 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DDTT8QZ3
I don't want to pay forever for a better connection to China when all I
want is for my camera to simply display on my phone when I log into it.

Do they even MAKE what I think everyone would want, which is:
1. A Wi-Fi camera that connects to your own SOHO router's signal
2. And which you can view the current camera output and saved video

If the answer is yes, can you help me with what keywords to use to find it?
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Hank wrote:

On Amazon, I have already researched cameras that "claim" they do what everyone wants them to do, but none of the ones I can find work right.

For example, this type of camera requires a carrier's SIM card plan.
$50 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DFG6K9YM/
I don't want to pay forever for a carrier's SIM plan when I already have Wi-Fi at my house which works just fine without needing cellular plans.

And this type of camera sends everything to China & then back to you!
$40 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DDTT8QZ3
I don't want to pay forever for a better connection to China when all I
want is for my camera to simply display on my phone when I log into it.

Do they even MAKE what I think everyone would want, which is:
1. A Wi-Fi camera that connects to your own SOHO router's signal
2. And which you can view the current camera output and saved video

If the answer is yes, can you help me with what keywords to use to find it?

Wifi is convenient but it's phucking garbage.
Since the camera needs power anyway, I prefer PoE.


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On 2/7/2025 11:27 PM, Hank wrote:

Do they even MAKE what I think everyone would want, which is:
1. A Wi-Fi camera that connects to your own SOHO router's signal
2. And which you can view the current camera output and saved video

Wyze makes inexpensive wifi cameras, some of which are outdoor rated.
Many of them can be jailbroken to be cloud-free, and the ones which
can't be jailbroken are being worked on by the user community.

There's also cloudfree.shop which does not sell any cameras at all, but
all their products are, well, cloud-free. It would not be a bad idea to
keep an eye on them to see if they add one or more cameras to their
catalog in the future.
--
I'm part of the vast libertarian conspiracy to take over the world and
leave everyone alone.
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Clare Snyder wrote to us on Sat, 08 Feb 2025 23:18:52 -0500:

I would think *everyone* would want that, so why can't isn't it on Amazon?

You don't understand how the camera works. The video goes DIRECTLY to
the memory card - never goes to China.

I was waiting for it to arrive, as I bought this $36 Cetey Wi-Fi camera. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D9XJNZWJ

It has to be used with this eseecloud app which goes onto my phone. https://eseecloud.app/download/

You have to "register" it because of the encryption so it only works on the phone that it's registered to - which has to be on the Internet to work.

Not only that, but you have to verify your phone number & email address.
I think all that means that it goes to the Internet before it goes to you.

But I'm not sure because everyone wants what I want so why is it so hard?
a. I want a camera that can't even get on the Internet
b. I want it to be Wi-Fi only
c. From the camera to my router and from my router to my phone

Why is that so hard to do when it's what everyone wants to do?

I'm going to return it if I can't get it to work the way you say.
So far, it doesn't work anywhere near the way you say it does.

Although I did get it to charge from the solar panel I also bought. https://i.postimg.cc/kMS5dLHX/wificam.jpg

While it charges from this USB-C output solar panel, it still doesn't save anything to the sdcard that it formatted so it should be working in it. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DDKKR14V

I think it's designed to only work after it goes onto the Internet.

Either that, or I don't know how to make it work the way you say it does.
Or, maybe just this camera doesn't work that way. Dunno.

It's probably me.

But I put an sdcard in the slot and there is no way to set up the camera WITHOUT installing the app and the app doesn't work WITHOUT registering it.

Nothing goes on the sdcard. No matter what I do. Nothing.
I must be doing something wrong.

I have a while before I have to return it if I can't ever get it to work.
There must be a secret trick to make the eseecloud app save to the sdcard!
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On 08/02/2025 05:27, Hank wrote:

On Amazon, I have already researched cameras that "claim" they do what everyone wants them to do, but none of the ones I can find work right.

If the answer is yes, can you help me with what keywords to use to find it?

Eufy make a range. Check them out, there is plenty of review resources
on the internet.

Ask that scammer called Arlen .... ;-)
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Adrian C
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On 2025-02-11 09:52, Hank wrote:

Clare Snyder wrote to us on Sat, 08 Feb 2025 23:18:52 -0500:

I would think *everyone* would want that, so why can't isn't it on
Amazon?

-aYou don't understand how the camera works. The video goes DIRECTLY to
the memory card-a - never goes to China.

I was waiting for it to arrive, as I bought this $36 Cetey Wi-Fi camera. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D9XJNZWJ

It has to be used with this eseecloud app which goes onto my phone. https://eseecloud.app/download/

You have to "register" it because of the encryption so it only works on the phone that it's registered to - which has to be on the Internet to work.

Not only that, but you have to verify your phone number & email address.
I think all that means that it goes to the Internet before it goes to you.

But I'm not sure because everyone wants what I want so why is it so hard?
a. I want a camera that can't even get on the Internet
b. I want it to be Wi-Fi only
c. From the camera to my router and from my router to my phone

Why is that so hard to do when it's what everyone wants to do?

Because many people want the camera on Internet. Ie, they want to access
the camera from anywhere.

This would be possible to do with IPv6 without an intermediary.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
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Carlos E.R. wrote to us on Tue, 11 Feb 2025 14:10:21 +0100:

But I'm not sure because everyone wants what I want so why is it so hard?
a. I want a camera that can't even get on the Internet
b. I want it to be Wi-Fi only
c. From the camera to my router and from my router to my phone

Why is that so hard to do when it's what everyone wants to do?

Because many people want the camera on Internet. Ie, they want to access
the camera from anywhere.

This would be possible to do with IPv6 without an intermediary.

Yeah. I know. I said it wrong. I don't care if it goes on the Internet if
what you want is to look at your video from somewhere far far away, but I
want it to be able to NOT go onto the Internet just to look at your pool.

I don't need my kids on the Internet that way, and I'm sure I'm not alone.
It's what everyone would want even if they *also* want it on the Internet.

This camera looked like it would be able to also NOT be in the Internet.
But I haven't seen any data yet go onto the sdcard the camera formatted. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D9XJNZWJ & https://eseecloud.app/download/

It worked great at the pool with the separate USB-C output solar panel too! https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DDKKR14V
https://i.postimg.cc/kMS5dLHX/wificam.jpg

But it sends pictures of my kids to some server on the Internet, which I'm
sure lots of people probably want to happen but lots must NOT want that.

Since everyone must want a Wi-Fi camera that can at least save its events
onto the sdcard and which you can log into from home without the net....

There must be a camera that is Wi-Fi that, even if it can go onto the
Internet, that you can log into from your home when you're at home.
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On 2025-02-11 17:39, Hank wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote to us on Tue, 11 Feb 2025 14:10:21 +0100:

But I'm not sure because everyone wants what I want so why is it so
hard?
a. I want a camera that can't even get on the Internet
b. I want it to be Wi-Fi only
c. From the camera to my router and from my router to my phone

Why is that so hard to do when it's what everyone wants to do?

Because many people want the camera on Internet. Ie, they want to
access the camera from anywhere.

This would be possible to do with IPv6 without an intermediary.

Yeah. I know. I said it wrong. I don't care if it goes on the Internet if what you want is to look at your video from somewhere far far away, but I want it to be able to NOT go onto the Internet just to look at your pool.

I don't need my kids on the Internet that way, and I'm sure I'm not alone. It's what everyone would want even if they *also* want it on the Internet.

This camera looked like it would be able to also NOT be in the Internet.
But I haven't seen any data yet go onto the sdcard the camera formatted. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D9XJNZWJ & https://eseecloud.app/download/

It worked great at the pool with the separate USB-C output solar panel too! https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DDKKR14V https://i.postimg.cc/kMS5dLHX/wificam.jpg

But it sends pictures of my kids to some server on the Internet, which I'm sure lots of people probably want to happen but lots must NOT want that.

Since everyone must want a Wi-Fi camera that can at least save its events onto the sdcard and which you can log into from home without the net....

There must be a camera that is Wi-Fi that, even if it can go onto the Internet, that you can log into from your home when you're at home.

I guess that LAN only cameras are easier to find with Ethernet
networking (ie, PoE).

You have to seek cameras with fewer smarts. For example, if they do
"smart" things like face recognition for cheap, chances are they use an outside server.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
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