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https://www.dalekelly.org/

https://www.dalekelly.org/mystyle2.css

https://www.dalekelly.org/mystyle.css

How can I have one main menu for all pages ?
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On 5/28/2026 7:42 PM, Dale wrote:

https://www.dalekelly.org/

https://www.dalekelly.org/mystyle2.css

https://www.dalekelly.org/mystyle.css

How can I have one main menu for all pages ?

<LINK REL="STYLESHEET" TYPE="text/css" HREF="www.dalekelly.org/mystyle.css">
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David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/28/2026 7:42 PM, Dale wrote:

https://www.dalekelly.org/

https://www.dalekelly.org/mystyle2.css

https://www.dalekelly.org/mystyle.css

How can I have one main menu for all pages ?

<LINK REL="STYLESHEET" TYPE="text/css" HREF="www.dalekelly.org/mystyle.css">

That might harmonize the styling of the menu, but not do what I think
the OP is asking.

If you want to define a menu in one place and have it on all sites pages
there are 3 options.

1) Server side includes
2) JavaScript defined and injection
3) Server side scripting includes, i.e. PHP, CGI, etc
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On 5/31/2026 10:13 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/28/2026 7:42 PM, Dale wrote:

https://www.dalekelly.org/

https://www.dalekelly.org/mystyle2.css

https://www.dalekelly.org/mystyle.css

How can I have one main menu for all pages ?

<LINK REL="STYLESHEET" TYPE="text/css" HREF="www.dalekelly.org/mystyle.css"> >>

That might harmonize the styling of the menu, but not do what I think
the OP is asking.

If you want to define a menu in one place and have it on all sites pages there are 3 options.

1) Server side includes
2) JavaScript defined and injection
3) Server side scripting includes, i.e. PHP, CGI, etc

Thank You again !

The only thing is when I first started web programming in the mid 90's
cookies and scripts could cause a lot of things like pop-ups.

I don't know the side effects of cookies and scripts now.
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On Sun, 31 May 2026 16:24:39 -0400, Dale wrote:

The only thing is when I first started web programming in the mid
90's cookies and scripts could cause a lot of things like pop-ups.

I don't know the side effects of cookies and scripts now.

IrCOm not sure that cookies are relevant to the issue here (a common
portion across multiple web pages).

As for scripts, how the back-end generates the pages is no concern of
the user or their browser.
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Dale, 2026-05-31 22:24:

On 5/31/2026 10:13 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

[...]>> If you want to define a menu in one place and have it on all
sites pages

there are 3 options.

1) Server side includes
2) JavaScript defined and injection
3) Server side scripting includes, i.e. PHP, CGI, etc

Thank You again !

The only thing is when I first started web programming in the mid 90's cookies and scripts could cause a lot of things like pop-ups.

Please do not mix up things - by law in some countries it is mandatory
to show a popup, if you want to use cookies. But this popup is generated
by the website using JavaScript. It is *not* automatically displayed
just because you set a cookie.

Also JavaScript does *not* cause "things like pop-ups".

I don't know the side effects of cookies and scripts now.

There are none. You can just not rely on them since users may disable JavaScript or may block cookies - so you should not rely on that for
important features of your website like navigation.
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Arno Welzel wrote:

There are none. You can just not rely on them since users may disable JavaScript or may block cookies - so you should not rely on that for important features of your website like navigation.

I agree, but a bulk of the internet is populated with sites that do not function without JavaScript, (I'm looking at you Google and AngularJS,
... one among many)
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"Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote in news:10vhfm2$1j4pt$1@dont-email.me:

If you want to define a menu in one place and have it on all sites
pages there are 3 options.

1) Server side includes
2) JavaScript defined and injection
3) Server side scripting includes, i.e. PHP, CGI, etc

My vote for Dale is SSI ("Server Side Includes"). It's robust and dirt
simple to implement.

Dale, the basic idea is you take a section of code that's repeated on
multiple pages and save it as a separate file, then repeatedly call that
file from the HTML on each of the separate pages on which it's supposed
to appear.

If anyone wants an example of it in use, see my site at www.goodells.net, which has been using SSI extensively for around 25 years. The top banner, menus, page footer, and more are not part of each page's base HTML, but
are separate pieces, each written once and reused on multiple pages.

For instance, the page footer is a single file, and when I updated the
footer from "2025" to "2026" at the beginning of the year, I edited only
a single file and the change showed up on every page. It sounds to me
like this is the kind of thing Dale is trying to accomplish.

Note: FWIW, IME the main HTML of the page doing the importing must be
named .SHTML, but the file being imported can have any eztension --
though I think it's practical to keep it consistent with it's purpose
(such as .css, .cgi, .html, or even .shtml if the secondary file is
itself going to import yet another SSI file).


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On 6/12/2026 5:42 AM, dg1261 wrote:

"Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote in news:10vhfm2$1j4pt$1@dont-email.me:

If you want to define a menu in one place and have it on all sites
pages there are 3 options.

1) Server side includes
2) JavaScript defined and injection
3) Server side scripting includes, i.e. PHP, CGI, etc

My vote for Dale is SSI ("Server Side Includes"). It's robust and dirt
simple to implement.

Dale, the basic idea is you take a section of code that's repeated on multiple pages and save it as a separate file, then repeatedly call that
file from the HTML on each of the separate pages on which it's supposed
to appear.

If anyone wants an example of it in use, see my site at www.goodells.net, which has been using SSI extensively for around 25 years. The top banner, menus, page footer, and more are not part of each page's base HTML, but
are separate pieces, each written once and reused on multiple pages.

For instance, the page footer is a single file, and when I updated the
footer from "2025" to "2026" at the beginning of the year, I edited only
a single file and the change showed up on every page. It sounds to me
like this is the kind of thing Dale is trying to accomplish.

Note: FWIW, IME the main HTML of the page doing the importing must be
named .SHTML, but the file being imported can have any eztension --
though I think it's practical to keep it consistent with it's purpose
(such as .css, .cgi, .html, or even .shtml if the secondary file is
itself going to import yet another SSI file).

Sounds Great !

Thank You !

I am going to work on this !
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Mr. Man-wai Chang, 2026-06-11 13:54:

On 6/7/2026 4:14 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:

Also JavaScript does *not* cause "things like pop-ups".

Of course, it depends on the browser, and its implementation of Document Object Model (DOM). Is this regulated by laws? Globally? I don't think so.

No browser shows a popup just because you use JavaScript. There is also
no regulation which requires this.

Please do not confuse "create a popup using JavaScript" with "a popup
will be displayed, because a document contains JavaScript, even if the
script does not create the popup itself".
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dg1261, 2026-06-12 11:42:

"Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote in news:10vhfm2$1j4pt$1@dont-email.me:

If you want to define a menu in one place and have it on all sites
pages there are 3 options.

1) Server side includes
2) JavaScript defined and injection
3) Server side scripting includes, i.e. PHP, CGI, etc

My vote for Dale is SSI ("Server Side Includes"). It's robust and dirt simple to implement.

When the support for SSI is not enabled on the server, it is impossible.
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On 6/14/2026 9:05 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:

Mr. Man-wai Chang, 2026-06-11 13:54:

Of course, it depends on the browser, and its implementation of Document
Object Model (DOM). Is this regulated by laws? Globally? I don't think so.

No browser shows a popup just because you use JavaScript. There is also
no regulation which requires this.

I was talking about custom, DIY browsers! Not those famous brands (e.g. Netscape, Firefox....)
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Arno Welzel wrote:

dg1261, 2026-06-12 11:42:

"Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote in
news:10vhfm2$1j4pt$1@dont-email.me:

If you want to define a menu in one place and have it on all sites
pages there are 3 options.

1) Server side includes
2) JavaScript defined and injection
3) Server side scripting includes, i.e. PHP, CGI, etc

My vote for Dale is SSI ("Server Side Includes"). It's robust and dirt
simple to implement.

When the support for SSI is not enabled on the server, it is impossible.

More likely PHP is available and is pretty simple to do includes. It
would by my preferred option.
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