• Ethics and tools

    From Ed P@esp@snet.n to alt.home.repair on Tue Sep 22 13:20:37 2026
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    I'm active on an auto forum and a question came up about changing spark
    plugs. On some engines today it is a bit complex but this guy had a
    solution.
    Part of first comment:
    Can I just do this myself? I've replaced plugs in other vehicles and
    it's always been a simple procedure. I might have to buy a torque wrench
    at Lowe's and then return it, but I have all the other needed tools.

    I mentioned ethics in returning the tool. His reply:

    Not sure why ethics is involved? Using a torque wrench on spark plugs
    doesn't cause any wear and tear. Lowe's can easily sell it as new after
    being returned.
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.home.repair on Tue Sep 22 18:43:42 2026
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    On Tue, 22 Sep 2026 13:20:37 -0400, Ed P wrote:

    I'm active on an auto forum and a question came up about changing spark plugs. On some engines today it is a bit complex but this guy had a solution.
    Part of first comment:
    Can I just do this myself? I've replaced plugs in other vehicles and
    it's always been a simple procedure. I might have to buy a torque wrench
    at Lowe's and then return it, but I have all the other needed tools.

    I mentioned ethics in returning the tool. His reply:

    Not sure why ethics is involved? Using a torque wrench on spark plugs
    doesn't cause any wear and tear. Lowe's can easily sell it as new after
    being returned.

    Back in their heyday Montgomery Ward would replace defective PowerKraft
    tools. Would it be ethical to return a stripped out 1/2 drive ratchet for replacement knowing that there was a 6' piece of 1" pipe involved?
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  • From RIW@rightiswrong@not.invalid to alt.home.repair on Tue Sep 22 12:23:28 2026
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    On 9/22/2026 10:20 AM, Ed P wrote:
    I'm active on an auto forum and a question came up about changing spark plugs.-a On some engines today it is a bit complex but this guy had a solution.
    Part of first comment:
    Can I just do this myself? I've replaced plugs in other vehicles and
    it's always been a simple procedure. I might have to buy a torque wrench
    at Lowe's and then return it, but I have all the other needed tools.

    I mentioned ethics in returning the tool.-a His reply:

    Not sure why ethics is involved? Using a torque wrench on spark plugs doesn't cause any wear and tear. Lowe's can easily sell it as new after being returned.

    Torque wrenches are one of the common tools in auto parts dealers
    "loaners" program.

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  • From hubops@hubops@ccanoemail.com to alt.home.repair on Tue Sep 22 18:02:42 2026
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    On Tue, 22 Sep 2026 12:23:28 -0700, RIW <rightiswrong@not.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 9/22/2026 10:20 AM, Ed P wrote:
    I'm active on an auto forum and a question came up about changing spark
    plugs.a On some engines today it is a bit complex but this guy had a
    solution.
    Part of first comment:
    Can I just do this myself? I've replaced plugs in other vehicles and
    it's always been a simple procedure. I might have to buy a torque wrench
    at Lowe's and then return it, but I have all the other needed tools.

    I mentioned ethics in returning the tool.a His reply:

    Not sure why ethics is involved? Using a torque wrench on spark plugs
    doesn't cause any wear and tear. Lowe's can easily sell it as new after
    being returned.

    Torque wrenches are one of the common tools in auto parts dealers
    "loaners" program.



    Really ! I've never heard of such a "loaner" service..

    I _hate_ returning things in general - but my first torque
    wrench from Princess Auto < ~ Canada's Harbour Freight >
    fell apart after 2 - 3 years of gentle use - 2 x per year changing
    8 snow tires in the driveway .. the identical replacement wasn't
    any better so I got a gift card instead of a refund / replacement.
    ... but still the hassle of it all because of a really junky tool.
    I don't need Snap-On just a tool that does the job, please.
    John T.
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  • From hubops@hubops@ccanoemail.com to alt.home.repair on Tue Sep 22 18:16:01 2026
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    On Tue, 22 Sep 2026 13:20:37 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

    I'm active on an auto forum and a question came up about changing spark >plugs. On some engines today it is a bit complex but this guy had a >solution.
    Part of first comment:
    Can I just do this myself? I've replaced plugs in other vehicles and
    it's always been a simple procedure. I might have to buy a torque wrench
    at Lowe's and then return it, but I have all the other needed tools.

    I mentioned ethics in returning the tool. His reply:

    Not sure why ethics is involved? Using a torque wrench on spark plugs >doesn't cause any wear and tear. Lowe's can easily sell it as new after >being returned.


    Ethics or morality ? no matter
    Many people feel-no-guillt when they rip-off a big retailer .
    They wouldn't treat their neighbour that way and they would
    proudly proclaim to be an honest hard-working citizen ..
    Many years ago, I had my car speakers stolen and when
    I told my wise older brother about it - he pointed out that
    a lot of honest hard-working church-going people would
    buy them from a 5-finger-discount guy without a twinge
    of guilt .. I've always remembered that little lesson.
    John T.

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  • From retired1@retired@home.usa to alt.home.repair on Tue Sep 22 21:24:39 2026
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    On 9/22/26 6:02rC>PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    snip

    Torque wrenches are one of the common tools in auto parts dealers
    "loaners" program.



    Really ! I've never heard of such a "loaner" service..

    snip

    Here is one such at a well-known dealer

    https://www.oreillyauto.com/store-services/rental-tools

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  • From Snag@snag_one@msn.com to alt.home.repair on Tue Sep 22 21:07:49 2026
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    On 9/22/2026 1:43 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Sep 2026 13:20:37 -0400, Ed P wrote:

    I'm active on an auto forum and a question came up about changing spark
    plugs. On some engines today it is a bit complex but this guy had a
    solution.
    Part of first comment:
    Can I just do this myself? I've replaced plugs in other vehicles and
    it's always been a simple procedure. I might have to buy a torque wrench
    at Lowe's and then return it, but I have all the other needed tools.

    I mentioned ethics in returning the tool. His reply:

    Not sure why ethics is involved? Using a torque wrench on spark plugs
    doesn't cause any wear and tear. Lowe's can easily sell it as new after
    being returned.

    Back in their heyday Montgomery Ward would replace defective PowerKraft tools. Would it be ethical to return a stripped out 1/2 drive ratchet for replacement knowing that there was a 6' piece of 1" pipe involved?


    It would be very very cool if they would replace my nearly 75 year
    old PowrKraft lathe for "excessive wear" ...
    --
    Snag
    I appreciated foreign cultures more
    when they stayed foreign ...
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  • From Snag@snag_one@msn.com to alt.home.repair on Tue Sep 22 21:21:52 2026
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    On 9/22/2026 2:23 PM, RIW wrote:
    On 9/22/2026 10:20 AM, Ed P wrote:


    I mentioned ethics in returning the tool.-a His reply:

    Not sure why ethics is involved? Using a torque wrench on spark plugs
    doesn't cause any wear and tear. Lowe's can easily sell it as new
    after being returned.

    Torque wrenches are one of the common tools in auto parts dealers
    "loaners" program.


    Which is all fine and good if you don't care about how that tool
    might have been abused in the past ... you can bet your sweet ass they
    don't check calibration after every "use" . If it's important enough to
    check it's important enough to buy to buy the proper tool . As I've
    often told my wife , the tool almost always is cheaper than the labor
    charge - and when I'm done I'll still have the tool . And that's why I
    have a very well equipped machine shop and enough tools to completely
    rebuild a car . Or a house , for that matter .
    --
    Snag
    I appreciated foreign cultures more
    when they stayed foreign ...
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  • From Clare Snyder@clare@snyder.on.ca to alt.home.repair on Wed Sep 23 00:01:56 2026
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    On Tue, 22 Sep 2026 18:02:42 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Sep 2026 12:23:28 -0700, RIW <rightiswrong@not.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 9/22/2026 10:20 AM, Ed P wrote:
    I'm active on an auto forum and a question came up about changing spark >>> plugs.a On some engines today it is a bit complex but this guy had a
    solution.
    Part of first comment:
    Can I just do this myself? I've replaced plugs in other vehicles and
    it's always been a simple procedure. I might have to buy a torque wrench >>> at Lowe's and then return it, but I have all the other needed tools.

    I mentioned ethics in returning the tool.a His reply:

    Not sure why ethics is involved? Using a torque wrench on spark plugs
    doesn't cause any wear and tear. Lowe's can easily sell it as new after >>> being returned.

    Torque wrenches are one of the common tools in auto parts dealers >>"loaners" program.



    Really ! I've never heard of such a "loaner" service..

    I _hate_ returning things in general - but my first torque
    wrench from Princess Auto < ~ Canada's Harbour Freight >
    fell apart after 2 - 3 years of gentle use - 2 x per year changing
    8 snow tires in the driveway .. the identical replacement wasn't
    any better so I got a gift card instead of a refund / replacement.
    ... but still the hassle of it all because of a really junky tool.
    I don't need Snap-On just a tool that does the job, please.
    John T.
    Wait for Canadian Tire to put theirs on sale - Better than the junky
    Princess jobs - but if you keep your eye on them even they (the
    Princess junk) can stay together. I carry one in each car for wheel
    nuts.
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.home.repair on Wed Sep 23 05:37:32 2026
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    On Tue, 22 Sep 2026 21:07:49 -0500, Snag wrote:

    It would be very very cool if they would replace my nearly 75 year
    old PowrKraft lathe for "excessive wear" ...

    It outlived Montgomery Ward at least. The store where I grew up was a
    regional distribution center with all the trimmings.

    https://www.capdiz.com/landmarks/buildings/Montgomery_Wards_Building.php

    You could place a catalog order and pick it up in a couple of hours. What
    you ordered and what you got wasn't always the same. I ordered a small box
    of wheel weights and the guy staggered out with the garage sized
    assortment. For upgrades like that you kept your mouth shut and signed the form. Probably not ethical either.

    My mother would go off wherever she went while my father and I would take
    in the ShopSmith demo and head over to the guns and fishing section. I was
    a kid and didn't have a lot of disposable income but I regret not buying
    some of the milsurp rifles that were on sale, K98s, SMLEs, Carcanos,
    Arisakas, and so forth.

    Then there were the saddles and tack, tractors, and in season chicks and ducklings.
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.home.repair on Wed Sep 23 05:43:43 2026
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    On Wed, 23 Sep 2026 00:01:56 -0400, Clare Snyder wrote:

    Wait for Canadian Tire to put theirs on sale - Better than the junky
    Princess jobs - but if you keep your eye on them even they (the Princess junk) can stay together. I carry one in each car for wheel nuts.

    I carry Harbor Freight wrenches on the bikes. They aren't all that bad and
    if they're ripped off no big deal. I've got a pancake compressor that's
    held up well except for blowing the guts out of the regulators. Didn't
    need it anyway so I replumbed it. That's my history with HF. Some absolute junk and other stuff that works but may require user repair. Fortunately
    there is a local brick & mortar store so I can see and feel the products.
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.home.repair on Wed Sep 23 05:49:47 2026
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    On Tue, 22 Sep 2026 21:21:52 -0500, Snag wrote:

    Which is all fine and good if you don't care about how that tool
    might have been abused in the past ... you can bet your sweet ass they
    don't check calibration after every "use" . If it's important enough to
    check it's important enough to buy to buy the proper tool . As I've
    often told my wife , the tool almost always is cheaper than the labor
    charge -
    and when I'm done I'll still have the tool . And that's why I have a
    very well equipped machine shop and enough tools to completely rebuild a
    car .
    Or a house , for that matter .

    My torque wrenches are the old fashioned Sturtevant beam types. Not always
    the most convenient but I don't necessarily trust the 'automatic' ones. Supposedly the beams are accurate until they break but I've never had that happen.
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  • From Black Republican@black.republican@jury.duty to alt.home.repair on Wed Sep 23 06:46:20 2026
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    On 9/22/26 13:20, Ed P wrote:
    I'm active on an auto forum and a question came up about changing
    spark plugs.-a On some engines today it is a bit complex but this guy
    had a solution.
    Part of first comment:
    Can I just do this myself? I've replaced plugs in other vehicles and
    it's always been a simple procedure. I might have to buy a torque
    wrench at Lowe's and then return it, but I have all the other needed
    tools.

    I mentioned ethics in returning the tool.-a His reply:

    Not sure why ethics is involved? Using a torque wrench on spark plugs doesn't cause any wear and tear. Lowe's can easily sell it as new
    after being returned.


    Is that "deal" on ebay actually stolen merchandise?

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    <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:118ude1$1282c$1@dont-email.me">I'm
    active on an auto forum and a question came up about changing
    spark plugs.-a On some engines today it is a bit complex but this
    guy had a solution.
    <br>
    Part of first comment:
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    Can I just do this myself? I've replaced plugs in other vehicles
    and it's always been a simple procedure. I might have to buy a
    torque wrench at Lowe's and then return it, but I have all the
    other needed tools.
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    I mentioned ethics in returning the tool.-a His reply:
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    Not sure why ethics is involved? Using a torque wrench on spark
    plugs doesn't cause any wear and tear. Lowe's can easily sell it
    as new after being returned.
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  • From Retirednoguilt@HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid to alt.home.repair on Wed Sep 23 09:31:45 2026
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    On 9/22/2026 2:43 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Sep 2026 13:20:37 -0400, Ed P wrote:

    I'm active on an auto forum and a question came up about changing spark
    plugs. On some engines today it is a bit complex but this guy had a
    solution.
    Part of first comment:
    Can I just do this myself? I've replaced plugs in other vehicles and
    it's always been a simple procedure. I might have to buy a torque wrench
    at Lowe's and then return it, but I have all the other needed tools.

    I mentioned ethics in returning the tool. His reply:

    Not sure why ethics is involved? Using a torque wrench on spark plugs
    doesn't cause any wear and tear. Lowe's can easily sell it as new after
    being returned.

    Back in their heyday Montgomery Ward would replace defective PowerKraft tools. Would it be ethical to return a stripped out 1/2 drive ratchet for replacement knowing that there was a 6' piece of 1" pipe involved?

    And Sears used to guarantee their Craftsman brand tools for life.
    Mostly I don't miss "the good old days" but a few things were better then.

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  • From Ed P@esp@snet.n to alt.home.repair on Wed Sep 23 10:57:30 2026
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    On 9/23/2026 9:31 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:


    And Sears used to guarantee their Craftsman brand tools for life.
    Mostly I don't miss "the good old days" but a few things were better then.


    Only used it once, broken socket.
    Had a lug nut that would not loosen. Put the wrench on it, then slipped
    a section of pipe over the handle, jumped on it.
    Took the broken/split socket to Sears and walked out with a new one.
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  • From Retirednoguilt@HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid to alt.home.repair on Wed Sep 23 12:18:07 2026
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    On 9/23/2026 10:57 AM, Ed P wrote:
    On 9/23/2026 9:31 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:


    And Sears used to guarantee their Craftsman brand tools for life.
    Mostly I don't miss "the good old days" but a few things were better then. >>

    Only used it once, broken socket.
    Had a lug nut that would not loosen. Put the wrench on it, then slipped
    a section of pipe over the handle, jumped on it.
    Took the broken/split socket to Sears and walked out with a new one.

    Yeah, I did that once with a frozen lug nut and instead of either
    loosening the nut or breaking the wrench, I broke the lug off the wheel
    hub assembly. Never again.



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  • From frank@"frank "@frank.net to alt.home.repair on Wed Sep 23 12:30:19 2026
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    On 9/22/2026 1:20 PM, Ed P wrote:
    I'm active on an auto forum and a question came up about changing spark plugs.-a On some engines today it is a bit complex but this guy had a solution.
    Part of first comment:
    Can I just do this myself? I've replaced plugs in other vehicles and
    it's always been a simple procedure. I might have to buy a torque wrench
    at Lowe's and then return it, but I have all the other needed tools.

    I mentioned ethics in returning the tool.-a His reply:

    Not sure why ethics is involved? Using a torque wrench on spark plugs doesn't cause any wear and tear. Lowe's can easily sell it as new after being returned.

    Been decades since I changed spark plugs on cars and last time might
    have been a lawn mower.

    My first old car I might have changed them or cleaned and regapped them
    as often as every 6 months. Today's plugs can last up past 100,000 miles.

    Never owned a torque wrench but quick Google says you can buy one at HF
    for $19 so it sounds kind of dumb to drive back and forth to the store
    to save a few dollars.
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  • From Bob F@bobnospam@gmail.com to alt.home.repair on Wed Sep 23 10:31:28 2026
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    On 9/23/2026 7:57 AM, Ed P wrote:
    On 9/23/2026 9:31 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:


    And Sears used to guarantee their Craftsman brand tools for life.
    Mostly I don't miss "the good old days" but a few things were better
    then.


    Only used it once, broken socket.
    Had a lug nut that would not loosen.-a Put the wrench on it, then slipped
    a section of pipe over the handle, jumped on it.
    Took the broken/split socket to Sears and walked out with a new one.

    Craftsman brand is at Home Depot now. I got a new breaker bar on
    warranty a year or so ago. Just look up "craftsman warranty".
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.home.repair on Wed Sep 23 19:14:17 2026
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    On Wed, 23 Sep 2026 09:31:45 -0400, Retirednoguilt wrote:

    And Sears used to guarantee their Craftsman brand tools for life.
    Mostly I don't miss "the good old days" but a few things were better
    then.

    We has a Sears store and I did like the Craftsman tools. Towards the end
    there was a cheaper line that I don't think had the life time guarantee.
    It was sort of the good, better, and best categories Montgomery Ward use
    for many products.

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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.home.repair on Wed Sep 23 19:16:17 2026
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    On Wed, 23 Sep 2026 10:57:30 -0400, Ed P wrote:

    On 9/23/2026 9:31 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:


    And Sears used to guarantee their Craftsman brand tools for life.
    Mostly I don't miss "the good old days" but a few things were better
    then.


    Only used it once, broken socket.
    Had a lug nut that would not loosen. Put the wrench on it, then slipped
    a section of pipe over the handle, jumped on it.
    Took the broken/split socket to Sears and walked out with a new one.

    Did you ever get the nut off or were you dealing with a Chrysler product
    with left handed threads on the passenger side? They were always good for broken tools and/or studs.
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.home.repair on Wed Sep 23 19:17:47 2026
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    On Wed, 23 Sep 2026 10:31:28 -0700, Bob F wrote:

    On 9/23/2026 7:57 AM, Ed P wrote:
    On 9/23/2026 9:31 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:


    And Sears used to guarantee their Craftsman brand tools for life.
    Mostly I don't miss "the good old days" but a few things were better
    then.


    Only used it once, broken socket.
    Had a lug nut that would not loosen.-a Put the wrench on it, then
    slipped a section of pipe over the handle, jumped on it.
    Took the broken/split socket to Sears and walked out with a new one.

    Craftsman brand is at Home Depot now. I got a new breaker bar on
    warranty a year or so ago. Just look up "craftsman warranty".

    I didn't realize that. At least it's better than when they appeared at K-
    Mart before that went tits up too.
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  • From Ed P@esp@snet.n to alt.home.repair on Wed Sep 23 15:48:56 2026
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    On 9/23/2026 3:16 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Sep 2026 10:57:30 -0400, Ed P wrote:

    On 9/23/2026 9:31 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:


    And Sears used to guarantee their Craftsman brand tools for life.
    Mostly I don't miss "the good old days" but a few things were better
    then.


    Only used it once, broken socket.
    Had a lug nut that would not loosen. Put the wrench on it, then slipped
    a section of pipe over the handle, jumped on it.
    Took the broken/split socket to Sears and walked out with a new one.

    Did you ever get the nut off or were you dealing with a Chrysler product
    with left handed threads on the passenger side? They were always good for broken tools and/or studs.

    Fortunately, it came off. It was on a Karmen Ghia, IIRC, it had the
    left threads too.
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  • From Bob F@bobnospam@gmail.com to alt.home.repair on Wed Sep 23 13:09:00 2026
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    On 9/23/2026 10:31 AM, Bob F wrote:
    On 9/23/2026 7:57 AM, Ed P wrote:
    On 9/23/2026 9:31 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:


    And Sears used to guarantee their Craftsman brand tools for life.
    Mostly I don't miss "the good old days" but a few things were better
    then.


    Only used it once, broken socket.
    Had a lug nut that would not loosen.-a Put the wrench on it, then
    slipped a section of pipe over the handle, jumped on it.
    Took the broken/split socket to Sears and walked out with a new one.

    Craftsman brand is at Home Depot now. I got a new breaker bar on
    warranty a year or so ago. Just look up "craftsman warranty".

    Oops, remembered wrong. They are at Lowes.
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  • From Clare Snyder@clare@snyder.on.ca to alt.home.repair on Wed Sep 23 17:18:40 2026
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    On Wed, 23 Sep 2026 12:18:07 -0400, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid> wrote:

    On 9/23/2026 10:57 AM, Ed P wrote:
    On 9/23/2026 9:31 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:


    And Sears used to guarantee their Craftsman brand tools for life.
    Mostly I don't miss "the good old days" but a few things were better then. >>>

    Only used it once, broken socket.
    Had a lug nut that would not loosen. Put the wrench on it, then slipped
    a section of pipe over the handle, jumped on it.
    Took the broken/split socket to Sears and walked out with a new one.

    Yeah, I did that once with a frozen lug nut and instead of either
    loosening the nut or breaking the wrench, I broke the lug off the wheel
    hub assembly. Never again.


    At least then you can pound the proken stud out and replace it - - -
    unless it was a lug bolt like old Mopars and Merceces etc - - -
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.home.repair on Thu Sep 24 01:39:47 2026
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    On Wed, 23 Sep 2026 15:48:56 -0400, Ed P wrote:

    Fortunately, it came off. It was on a Karmen Ghia, IIRC, it had the
    left threads too.

    Maybe VW got more from Chrysler than some styling tips.

    https://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/last-nights-dream-1953-chrysler-ghia- delegance/

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  • From Ed P@esp@snet.n to alt.home.repair on Thu Sep 24 08:43:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On 9/23/2026 9:39 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Sep 2026 15:48:56 -0400, Ed P wrote:

    Fortunately, it came off. It was on a Karmen Ghia, IIRC, it had the
    left threads too.

    Maybe VW got more from Chrysler than some styling tips.

    https://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/last-nights-dream-1953-chrysler-ghia- delegance/


    Wow, so similar. Mine was a 1964 convertible, similar style to the
    photo down the page a bit. Paid $15 for it and then did some engine
    work to get it running.
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  • From Retirednoguilt@HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid to alt.home.repair on Thu Sep 24 11:02:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On 9/23/2026 3:16 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Sep 2026 10:57:30 -0400, Ed P wrote:

    On 9/23/2026 9:31 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:


    And Sears used to guarantee their Craftsman brand tools for life.
    Mostly I don't miss "the good old days" but a few things were better
    then.


    Only used it once, broken socket.
    Had a lug nut that would not loosen. Put the wrench on it, then slipped
    a section of pipe over the handle, jumped on it.
    Took the broken/split socket to Sears and walked out with a new one.

    Did you ever get the nut off or were you dealing with a Chrysler product with left handed threads on the passenger side? They were always good for broken tools and/or studs.

    I don't do many things to autos except drive them. No, it was a Ford.
    Had it towed to a repair shop. The nut was the least of my problems
    compared to the broken off lug. They told me that I needed a new thingy
    that the lugs are mounted on. Could the remnants of the old lug be
    drilled out and securely replaced with a new lug? I have no idea.
    Possibly problems with balance if that was attempted. Anyway, I never
    again jumped on a lug nut wrench!
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.home.repair on Thu Sep 24 20:31:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 08:43:01 -0400, Ed P wrote:

    On 9/23/2026 9:39 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Sep 2026 15:48:56 -0400, Ed P wrote:

    Fortunately, it came off. It was on a Karmen Ghia, IIRC, it had the
    left threads too.

    Maybe VW got more from Chrysler than some styling tips.

    https://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/last-nights-dream-1953-chrysler-
    ghia-
    delegance/


    Wow, so similar. Mine was a 1964 convertible, similar style to the
    photo down the page a bit. Paid $15 for it and then did some engine
    work to get it running.

    I liked them, sort of a poor man's Porsche in styling if not performance. Oddly for someone of my generation I never owned a Beetle or any other VW product although I did have an Audi 100LS in the early '70s. It was one of
    the worst cars I ever owned. My ex got custody of the Audi and traded it
    in on a Rabbit. That was an upgrade.
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.home.repair on Thu Sep 24 20:36:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 11:02:06 -0400, Retirednoguilt wrote:

    I don't do many things to autos except drive them. No, it was a Ford.
    Had it towed to a repair shop. The nut was the least of my problems
    compared to the broken off lug. They told me that I needed a new thingy
    that the lugs are mounted on. Could the remnants of the old lug be
    drilled out and securely replaced with a new lug? I have no idea.
    Possibly problems with balance if that was attempted. Anyway, I never
    again jumped on a lug nut wrench!

    I don't know about that particular Ford but usually you can punch the stud
    out and replace it. There is knurling of sorts around the head.

    https://www.autozone.com/tire-repair-and-tire-wheel/lug-studs

    As you might guess from the selection breaking them off isn't an uncommon occurrence.
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  • From Ed P@esp@snet.n to alt.home.repair on Thu Sep 24 17:20:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On 9/24/2026 4:31 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 08:43:01 -0400, Ed P wrote:

    On 9/23/2026 9:39 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Sep 2026 15:48:56 -0400, Ed P wrote:

    Fortunately, it came off. It was on a Karmen Ghia, IIRC, it had the
    left threads too.

    Maybe VW got more from Chrysler than some styling tips.

    https://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/last-nights-dream-1953-chrysler-
    ghia-
    delegance/


    Wow, so similar. Mine was a 1964 convertible, similar style to the
    photo down the page a bit. Paid $15 for it and then did some engine
    work to get it running.

    I liked them, sort of a poor man's Porsche in styling if not performance. Oddly for someone of my generation I never owned a Beetle or any other VW product although I did have an Audi 100LS in the early '70s. It was one of the worst cars I ever owned. My ex got custody of the Audi and traded it
    in on a Rabbit. That was an upgrade.

    Mine was about 10 years old and loaded with rust. No heat, no defrost
    as the air ducts were rotted. Once drove on a highway in heavy rain and
    had a tidal wave attack me when I hit the brakes.

    One day though, I had a nice young lady with me giving her a ride home
    from work. Nice summer day, top down, pull up next to a fancy Mercedes
    at a traffic light. The 60ish man driving looked at us and he looked
    rather envious.
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  • From Clare Snyder@clare@snyder.on.ca to alt.home.repair on Thu Sep 24 18:53:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 11:02:06 -0400, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid> wrote:

    On 9/23/2026 3:16 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Sep 2026 10:57:30 -0400, Ed P wrote:

    On 9/23/2026 9:31 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:


    And Sears used to guarantee their Craftsman brand tools for life.
    Mostly I don't miss "the good old days" but a few things were better
    then.


    Only used it once, broken socket.
    Had a lug nut that would not loosen. Put the wrench on it, then slipped >>> a section of pipe over the handle, jumped on it.
    Took the broken/split socket to Sears and walked out with a new one.

    Did you ever get the nut off or were you dealing with a Chrysler product
    with left handed threads on the passenger side? They were always good for >> broken tools and/or studs.

    I don't do many things to autos except drive them. No, it was a Ford.
    Had it towed to a repair shop. The nut was the least of my problems
    compared to the broken off lug. They told me that I needed a new thingy
    that the lugs are mounted on. Could the remnants of the old lug be
    drilled out and securely replaced with a new lug? I have no idea.
    Possibly problems with balance if that was attempted. Anyway, I never
    again jumped on a lug nut wrench!
    As aq long time (retired) techI've never seen a hub with stugs that
    could not be pressed out and replaces unless a previous hack had
    welded them in. Lug bolts? a different story - like OLD Mopars, ad old
    beetles and some other Kraut wagons
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  • From Retirednoguilt@HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid to alt.home.repair on Fri Sep 25 10:54:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On 9/24/2026 4:36 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 11:02:06 -0400, Retirednoguilt wrote:

    I don't do many things to autos except drive them. No, it was a Ford.
    Had it towed to a repair shop. The nut was the least of my problems
    compared to the broken off lug. They told me that I needed a new thingy
    that the lugs are mounted on. Could the remnants of the old lug be
    drilled out and securely replaced with a new lug? I have no idea.
    Possibly problems with balance if that was attempted. Anyway, I never
    again jumped on a lug nut wrench!

    I don't know about that particular Ford but usually you can punch the stud out and replace it. There is knurling of sorts around the head.

    https://www.autozone.com/tire-repair-and-tire-wheel/lug-studs

    As you might guess from the selection breaking them off isn't an uncommon occurrence.

    Thanks for the info. If it ever happens again, I'll keep your info in
    mind. As for that Ford, I don't remember the model year but it was
    probably about a 2000 or so model. I got rid of it in 2010, bought a
    new Prius, and am still driving it. It's never needed a single repair;
    just routine maintenance and still no rattles or squeaks. Of course I
    only have about 64K miles on it and it's always been in my garage when
    not on the road.
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