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SOCIALIST DISASTER: Radical NYC Mayor Zohran Mamdani Prepares
Taxpayer-Funded rCyGovernment Grocery StoresrCO rCo Rigging Prices Up to 30% Below Retail

Radical Democratic Socialist New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani
announced Monday that the city will open five city-owned,
taxpayer-funded grocery stores, one in each borough, with prices on a
core basket of items set at up to 30% below typical retail.

The plan, a centerpiece of MamdanirCOs campaign, will use $70 million in capital funds. The city will own the land or space, cover construction, renovations, rent, and property taxes.

Core discounted items include all fresh produce, meat, and seafood, plus
about 20 pantry staples, dairy, and refrigerated goods such as eggs,
milk, bread, cheese, rice, and beans. Prices on that basket will be
locked in monthly at 30% below typical retail with rCLno exceptions, no gimmicks.rCY Other products sell at market rates. Officials claim the
average household could save about $90 a month or $1,000 a year,
according to ABC7 NY.

Mamdani framed it as fighting corporate greed and rising prices: rCLEvery week, New Yorkers walk into a grocery store hoping the prices havenrCOt
gone up againrCa A trip to the grocery store shouldnrCOt spell dread for New Yorkers. ThatrCOs why we are guaranteeing a 30% discount on the most
common and most critical groceries for families across the five boroughs
rCo including eggs, milk, chicken and fresh fruits and vegetables. In a
city thatrCOs defined by unpredictability, you deserve stability rCo no
matter what aisle yourCOre in.rCY

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2026/07/socialist-disaster-radical-nyc-mayor-zohran-mamdani-prepares/

Prices so cheap the Democrats won't need to shoplift... but will they?
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On 2026-07-28, Deep State <deep.state@ms-cbs.dnc> wrote:

SOCIALIST DISASTER: Radical NYC Mayor Zohran Mamdani Prepares Taxpayer-Funded rCyGovernment Grocery StoresrCO rCo Rigging Prices Up to 30% Below Retail

"Up to". That covers anything from 0% to 30%.
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On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 06:48:36 -0400
Deep State <deep.state@ms-cbs.dnc> wrote:

Radical Democratic Socialist New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani
announced Monday that the city will open five city-owned,
taxpayer-funded grocery stores, one in each borough, with prices on a
core basket of items set at up to 30% below typical retail.

Each time this has been tried it quickly fails:

AI Overview

Several high-profile U.S. city-owned or
government-backed grocery stores have struggled or ceased direct
municipal operations due to financial losses, including examples in
Baldwin, Florida; Erie, Kansas; and Kansas City,

Missouri.Documented
Municipal Grocer Failures and Transitions

Baldwin, Florida: Opened a
city-run grocery store in 2019 after the last private market closed,
but it failed to break even and permanently closed in 2024.

Erie,
Kansas: The city purchased and ran its local grocery store starting in
2020, but after suffering continuous financial losses, the city
transferred operations to a private company in 2024.

Kansas City,
Missouri: Operated a Sun Fresh Market location with substantial
taxpayer subsidies that ultimately foundered and closed.

St. Paul,
Kansas: Faced heavy annual operating losses (reportedly losing around
$100,000 a year) running its municipal store before shifting toward
private lease management.

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On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 11:36:59 -0600, Clawed Dallas <ow@hy.ee> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 06:48:36 -0400
Deep State <deep.state@ms-cbs.dnc> wrote:

Radical Democratic Socialist New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani
announced Monday that the city will open five city-owned,
taxpayer-funded grocery stores, one in each borough, with prices on a
core basket of items set at up to 30% below typical retail.

Each time this has been tried it quickly fails:

Each time? Are you sure?

AI Overview

Yes, a few city-backed or municipally supported grocery stores have
succeeded, mostly as small rural co-ops or community-focused
public-private models, such as Oasis Market (nygroove.nyc) in Tulsa
and small-town Kansas co-ops.

Large-scale municipal government-run stores remain rare and
experimental.

Successful and Notable Publicly Supported Models

Oasis Market (North Tulsa, Oklahoma): Opened in 2021 on public land
with local government support and private fundraising. It serves as a successful neighborhood hub providing fresh food, a community room,
and social services in a former food desert.

Rural Municipal Groceries (Kansas): Small towns like St. Paul, Kansas,
have successfully used city-owned or community-supported enterprise
models to maintain local access to food where private legacy grocers
pulled out decades prior.

(snip cherries)
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 01:08:54 +0200
Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 11:36:59 -0600, Clawed Dallas <ow@hy.ee> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 06:48:36 -0400
Deep State <deep.state@ms-cbs.dnc> wrote:

Radical Democratic Socialist New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani
announced Monday that the city will open five city-owned,
taxpayer-funded grocery stores, one in each borough, with prices
on a core basket of items set at up to 30% below typical retail.

Each time this has been tried it quickly fails:

Each time? Are you sure?

Quite.

Just as big a failure as "guaranteed income", you socialist slut.

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On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 22:20:08 -0600, Clawed Dallas <ow@hy.ee> wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 01:08:54 +0200
Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 11:36:59 -0600, Clawed Dallas <ow@hy.ee> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 06:48:36 -0400
Deep State <deep.state@ms-cbs.dnc> wrote:

Radical Democratic Socialist New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani
announced Monday that the city will open five city-owned,
taxpayer-funded grocery stores, one in each borough, with prices
on a core basket of items set at up to 30% below typical retail.

Each time this has been tried it quickly fails:

Each time? Are you sure?

Quite.

Snipping two examples that proved your wrong doesn't make you right.

Just as big a failure as "guaranteed income", you socialist slut.

When cornered, hurl insults.
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 11:05:58 +0200
Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 22:20:08 -0600, Clawed Dallas <ow@hy.ee> wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 01:08:54 +0200
Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 11:36:59 -0600, Clawed Dallas <ow@hy.ee> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 06:48:36 -0400
Deep State <deep.state@ms-cbs.dnc> wrote:

Radical Democratic Socialist New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani
announced Monday that the city will open five city-owned,
taxpayer-funded grocery stores, one in each borough, with prices
on a core basket of items set at up to 30% below typical
retail.

Each time this has been tried it quickly fails:

Each time? Are you sure?

Quite.

Snipping two examples that proved your wrong doesn't make you right.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalDebate/comments/1gbtcph/the_largest_study_ever_conducted_on_universal/?rdt=50407
The largest study ever conducted on Universal Basic Income shows it to be a complete failure.
Here's the link to the National Bureau of Economic Research study: https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w32719/w32719.pdf
Abstract: "We study the causal impacts of income on a rich array of
employment outcomes, leveraging an experiment in which 1,000 low-income individuals were randomized into receiving $1,000 per month
unconditionally for three years, with a control group of 2,000
participants receiving $50/ month. We gather detailed survey data, administrative records, and data from a custom mobile phone app. The
transfer caused total individual income to fall by about $1,500/year
relative to the control group, excluding the transfers. The program
resulted in a 2.0 percentage point decrease in labor market
participation for participants and a 1.3-1.4 hour per week reduction in
labor hours, with participantsrCO partners reducing their hours worked by
a comparable amount. The transfer generated the largest increases in
time spent on leisure, as well as smaller increases in time spent in
other activities such as transportation and finances. Despite asking
detailed questions about amenities, we find no impact on quality of
employment, and our confidence intervals can rule out even small
improvements. We observe no significant effects on investments in human capital, though younger participants may pursue more formal education.
Overall, our results suggest a moderate labor supply effect that does
not appear offset by other productive activities."

Just as big a failure as "guaranteed income", you socialist slut.

When cornered, hurl insults.

The only thing you seem capable of "cornering" is a over-sized salad. https://www.badgerinstitute.org/the-harm-of-guaranteed-basic-income/ https://www.heritage.org/poverty-and-inequality/commentary/universal-basic-income-has-been-tried-it-didnt-work
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adammillsap/2024/07/25/new-study-finds-that-a-guaranteed-income-does-not-guarantee-benefits/
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 08:51:12 -0600, Clawed Dallas <ow@hy.ee> wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 11:05:58 +0200
Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 22:20:08 -0600, Clawed Dallas <ow@hy.ee> wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 01:08:54 +0200
Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 11:36:59 -0600, Clawed Dallas <ow@hy.ee> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 06:48:36 -0400
Deep State <deep.state@ms-cbs.dnc> wrote:

Radical Democratic Socialist New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani
announced Monday that the city will open five city-owned,
taxpayer-funded grocery stores, one in each borough, with prices
on a core basket of items set at up to 30% below typical
retail.

Each time this has been tried it quickly fails:

Each time? Are you sure?

Quite.

Snipping two examples that proved your wrong doesn't make you right.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalDebate/comments/1gbtcph/the_largest_study_ever_conducted_on_universal/?rdt=50407

The largest study ever conducted on Universal Basic Income shows it to be a complete failure.
Here's the link to the National Bureau of Economic Research study: https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w32719/w32719.pdf

Abstract: "We study the causal impacts of income on a rich array of >employment outcomes, leveraging an experiment in which 1,000 low-income >individuals were randomized into receiving $1,000 per month
unconditionally for three years, with a control group of 2,000
participants receiving $50/ month. We gather detailed survey data, >administrative records, and data from a custom mobile phone app. The
transfer caused total individual income to fall by about $1,500/year
relative to the control group, excluding the transfers. The program
resulted in a 2.0 percentage point decrease in labor market
participation for participants and a 1.3-1.4 hour per week reduction in
labor hours, with participantsA partners reducing their hours worked by
a comparable amount. The transfer generated the largest increases in
time spent on leisure, as well as smaller increases in time spent in
other activities such as transportation and finances. Despite asking
detailed questions about amenities, we find no impact on quality of >employment, and our confidence intervals can rule out even small >improvements. We observe no significant effects on investments in human >capital, though younger participants may pursue more formal education. >Overall, our results suggest a moderate labor supply effect that does
not appear offset by other productive activities."

Just as big a failure as "guaranteed income", you socialist slut.

When cornered, hurl insults.

The only thing you seem capable of "cornering" is a over-sized salad.

https://www.badgerinstitute.org/the-harm-of-guaranteed-basic-income/

https://www.heritage.org/poverty-and-inequality/commentary/universal-basic-income-has-been-tried-it-didnt-work

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adammillsap/2024/07/25/new-study-finds-that-a-guaranteed-income-does-not-guarantee-benefits/

The topic was "city-owned, taxpayer-funded grocery stores" of which
you said "Each time this has been tried it quickly fails:"
You snipped the two examples that proved you wrong, and served up a
Red Herring.
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 17:55:34 +0200
Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss> wrote:

The topic was "city-owned, taxpayer-funded grocery stores"

Toss in Malte Runz, Governor Swill, Lissajous, and a dozen other active
myms he has trolling himself and others.
Serious mental disturbation here: https://groups.google.com/g/misc.survivalism/c/O_95Kh78WUM
Jonathan Ball 5327 Shepard Avenue, Sacramento, CA95819-1731, USA
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Derek
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Nov 28, 2015, 12:38:34rC>PM
to
http://www.whitepages.com/name/Jonathan-D-Ball/Sacramento-CA/2sind2i
This little squirt who posts under a great number of nyms
http://bit.ly/1MU8oan boasts about having a Ph. D. in economics and goes
around threatening people with physical violence, and so he should be made known to you here in alt.california and his other main haunts because he
often tries to make fellow participants known to their fellow participants.
The list of nyms he uses, often multiple times to argue and defeat himself
in a bid to feel triumphant, is far from complete and is still growing. Jonathan Ball (real name)
Citizen
Benfez
Wilson Woods
Radical Moderate
Bingo
Edward
George
Bill
Fred
Mystery Poster
Merlin the dog
Bob the dog
sil...@onairos.com
elvira
Dieter
"Dieter d.Sc...@deutsche_telekom.de"
<prickerbush2...@yahoo.com>
Abner Hale
Roger Whitaker
Fucktard
Apoo
Ted Bell
notgen...@yahoo.com
Jay Santos
mortons.steakho...@chicago.not
Rudy Canoza
Trappist
sb29...@yahoo.com
Leif Erikson
S. Maizlich
SlipperySlope
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Derek
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to
snipped newsgroups reinstated
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:08:10 -0800 (PST), DCI <50b...@gmail.com> wrote:

And when you, Derek, have to go to such length to attempt to discredit Rudy, you are actually discrediting your self, all, without refuting any of his points and arguments,

No, that's false. I haven't refuted any points or argument here because he hasn't presented any to me. I merely followed him over here because he won't defend himself in the newsgroup he usually trolls where he's been dodging people, including myself, for fifteen years.

Now can your post any personal information about you

You need only go to the newsgroup I've been posting regularly from for
nearly fifteen years, with my full name in the legitimate email address I
use at alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian to see that Jonathan was the first to reveal my email address today after being pressured by me to come
clean about the lies he's been spreading about having gained a Ph. D. in economics. Sure, my full address has been posted there before and I have no problem with that. Jonathan, on the other hand, hides behind a growing list
of nyms to keep his identity secret while posting the details of others. I'm certainly not the first person who's identity and personal home address has been revealed by him, and I definitely won't be the last. If he wants to
make a new post with my full name and address as the subject title, he
should expect the same in return. Now that you're aware he posted my particulars in the subject headers before I retaliated are you going to say that he has discredited himself more than me by doing such a thing?

and how you arrive at the drivel you are posting?

I haven't been posting any drivel. To dodge explaining why he lied about his academic achievements, or lack of them, he tried to turn the tables by
writing that I "clumsily pretend to a level of education and
sophistication [I] don't have, striving earnestly for good marks
It's fake - but also funny. It's also sad, because it bespeaks a
massive insecurity." That's simply not true. I haven't boasted about my academic achievements. There's nothing really to boast about. Jon, though,
has lied about his, and the proof is found in Google archives, no matter how strongly he resents it. Years ago he often used to state that he tried but failed to complete a Ph. D. program in economics at UCLA.
rCLFor the record, I did not complete my Ph.D. program
in economics at UCLA, and I have never worked as an
economist.rCY
Jonathan Ball 8 Nov 2002 http://tinyurl.com/53e2m2
and
"... it's important to me to be known as honest. Honesty
compels me to admit that I didn't complete my Ph.D."
Jonathan Ball 08 Jun 2003 http://bit.ly/1NdkK0O
Fair enough. No problem, though I did doubt that honesty compelled him to do anything. But then I found posts he's made in Google archives pretending the exact opposite, stating under no uncertain terms that he had in fact gained something which honesty compelled him to deny he'd achieved.
[start rCo Doug Miller to Jonathon Ball]
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