If you have any interest in WWII, be sure to watch the episodes on
History Channel There are episodes Monday this week, 6/29 and next week.
Some scenes are tough to watch as the video is real and shows what was >really happening. It is a horrid section of humanity and lives lost.
Our parents and grandparents that were in the war were really tough people.
And for those (many of my ancestors) who refused to fight on
concientous reasons and did "alternate service" it took a lot of guts
too.
On 6/29/26 9:18 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
And for those (many of my ancestors) who refused to fight on
concientous reasons and did "alternate service" it took a lot of guts
too.
In the US, those that misinterpreted "thou shalt not murder
(unlawfully kill)" as "thou shalt not kill", we made them
medics. Some were ever decorated for their bravery.
On 6/29/2026 2:24 PM, T wrote:
On 6/29/26 9:18 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
And for those (many of my ancestors) who refused to fight on
concientous reasons and did "alternate service" it took a lot of guts
too.
In the US, those that misinterpreted "thou shalt not murder
(unlawfully kill)" as "thou shalt not kill", we made them
medics. Some were ever decorated for their bravery.
I fear that in today's "Department of War", conscientious objectors
could be subject to courts-martial for disobeying orders, found guilty
of treason, and executed.
On 2026-06-30, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid> wrote:
On 6/29/2026 2:24 PM, T wrote:
On 6/29/26 9:18 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
And for those (many of my ancestors) who refused to fight on
concientous reasons and did "alternate service" it took a lot of guts
too.
In the US, those that misinterpreted "thou shalt not murder
(unlawfully kill)" as "thou shalt not kill", we made them
medics. Some were ever decorated for their bravery.
I fear that in today's "Department of War", conscientious objectors
could be subject to courts-martial for disobeying orders, found guilty
of treason, and executed.
At the moment, though, we don't have a national draft. So it's
unlikely that a C.O. would find him- or herself in the military.
On 6/29/2026 2:24 PM, T wrote:Highly likely - yet MANY pacifist "evangelicals" still support the
On 6/29/26 9:18 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
And for those (many of my ancestors) who refused to fight on
concientous reasons and did "alternate service" it took a lot of guts
too.
In the US, those that misinterpreted "thou shalt not murder
(unlawfully kill)" as "thou shalt not kill", we made them
medics. Some were ever decorated for their bravery.
I fear that in today's "Department of War", conscientious objectors
could be subject to courts-martial for disobeying orders, found guilty
of treason, and executed.
On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 11:14:50 -0400, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid> wrote:
On 6/29/2026 2:24 PM, T wrote:Highly likely - yet MANY pacifist "evangelicals" still support the
On 6/29/26 9:18 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
And for those (many of my ancestors) who refused to fight on
concientous reasons and did "alternate service" it took a lot of guts
too.
In the US, those that misinterpreted "thou shalt not murder
(unlawfully kill)" as "thou shalt not kill", we made them
medics. Some were ever decorated for their bravery.
I fear that in today's "Department of War", conscientious objectors
could be subject to courts-martial for disobeying orders, found guilty
of treason, and executed.
regime.
I still remember the sixties and seventies and the many draft
dodgers, Peaceniks, and Hippies who skipped up here to Canada.
On 6/30/2026 4:22 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 11:14:50 -0400, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid> wrote:
On 6/29/2026 2:24 PM, T wrote:Highly likely - yet MANY pacifist "evangelicals" still support the
On 6/29/26 9:18 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
And for those (many of my ancestors) who refused to fight on
concientous reasons and did "alternate service" it took a lot of guts >>>>> too.
In the US, those that misinterpreted "thou shalt not murder
(unlawfully kill)" as "thou shalt not kill", we made them
medics. Some were ever decorated for their bravery.
I fear that in today's "Department of War", conscientious objectors
could be subject to courts-martial for disobeying orders, found guilty
of treason, and executed.
regime.
I still remember the sixties and seventies and the many draft
dodgers, Peaceniks, and Hippies who skipped up here to Canada.
When the draft lottery was imposed, I was prepared to go to Canada if I
ended up with a low lottery number. Fortunately for me, I got a high
number and was able to defer my 2 year obligation and complete my both
my graduate and post-graduate education until after the Viet Nam War had ended. My entire personal and professional life would have played out differently if I had gone to Canada. Serendipity!
On 7/1/2026 10:44 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 6/30/2026 4:22 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 11:14:50 -0400, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid> wrote:
On 6/29/2026 2:24 PM, T wrote:Highly likely - yet MANY pacifist "evangelicals" still support the
On 6/29/26 9:18 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
And for those (many of my ancestors) who refused to fight on
concientous reasons and did "alternate service" it took a lot of guts >>>>>> too.
In the US, those that misinterpreted "thou shalt not murder
(unlawfully kill)" as "thou shalt not kill", we made them
medics. Some were ever decorated for their bravery.
I fear that in today's "Department of War", conscientious objectors
could be subject to courts-martial for disobeying orders, found guilty >>>> of treason, and executed.
regime.
I still remember the sixties and seventies and the many draft
dodgers, Peaceniks, and Hippies who skipped up here to Canada.
When the draft lottery was imposed, I was prepared to go to Canada if I
ended up with a low lottery number. Fortunately for me, I got a high
number and was able to defer my 2 year obligation and complete my both
my graduate and post-graduate education until after the Viet Nam War had
ended. My entire personal and professional life would have played out
differently if I had gone to Canada. Serendipity!
Why not student deferments? I got for college and graduate school. I
must have had every draft classification except 4F. Afterwards at 1A
they were after me but not drafting married men and proof deferred it.
Also when our first son was born I informed them to put frosting on the cake. When I told my boss about this he got me a critical skills deferment.
A cousin I never met was 4F in WWII because of poor eyesight but was
able to join the navy. He died at the Anzio beachhead.
On 7/1/2026 6:54 PM, Frank wrote:
On 7/1/2026 10:44 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 6/30/2026 4:22 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 11:14:50 -0400, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid> wrote:
On 6/29/2026 2:24 PM, T wrote:Highly likely - yet MANY pacifist "evangelicals" still support the
On 6/29/26 9:18 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
And for those (many of my ancestors) who refused to fight on
concientous reasons and did "alternate service" it took a lot of guts >>>>>>> too.
In the US, those that misinterpreted "thou shalt not murder
(unlawfully kill)" as "thou shalt not kill", we made them
medics. Some were ever decorated for their bravery.
I fear that in today's "Department of War", conscientious objectors
could be subject to courts-martial for disobeying orders, found guilty >>>>> of treason, and executed.
regime.
I still remember the sixties and seventies and the many draft
dodgers, Peaceniks, and Hippies who skipped up here to Canada.
When the draft lottery was imposed, I was prepared to go to Canada if I
ended up with a low lottery number. Fortunately for me, I got a high
number and was able to defer my 2 year obligation and complete my both
my graduate and post-graduate education until after the Viet Nam War had >>> ended. My entire personal and professional life would have played out
differently if I had gone to Canada. Serendipity!
Why not student deferments? I got for college and graduate school. I
must have had every draft classification except 4F. Afterwards at 1A
they were after me but not drafting married men and proof deferred it.
Also when our first son was born I informed them to put frosting on the
cake. When I told my boss about this he got me a critical skills deferment. >>
A cousin I never met was 4F in WWII because of poor eyesight but was
able to join the navy. He died at the Anzio beachhead.
I seem to recall that for some reason, as a graduate student, the
student deferment I had as an undergraduate was no longer available.
Shortly thereafter, Congress passed a law implementing the Berry Plan.
As a medical student, I qualified. By the time I completed my
residency, the war was over. As I said earlier, serendipity.
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