• WI the Shah of Iran had nukes in 1979?

    From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to alt.history.what-if on Fri Mar 6 21:26:42 2026
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    One scenario I've don't remember ever seeing either here or on soc.history.what-if is how things would be different if the Shah of
    Iran had had a dozen or so nukes before his fall in 1979.

    This of course would probably have put nukes into the hands of the
    Ayatollah's from the beginning.

    Various possible outcomes I can envision include

    - an ultimatum to the Islamic Republic (probably by both the US and
    Soviets) to disarm under joint US / Soviet supervision
    - various cities in the Middle East (notably Tel Aviv and Riyadh,
    possibly Baghdad) glowing in the dark
    - certainly no invasion by Saddam Hussein either in 1980, 1991 or
    earlier
    - I don't think the Shah's regime would have the time to do what South
    Africa did which was to destroy all their nukes before handing over
    power to Mandela.
    For one thing the Shah had cancer and it's open to debate as to
    whether he had full control of Iran immediately before his fall - and
    if someone else did, who?

    If we HAVE discussed this scenario is it stored outside Usenet?

    (Either Google Groups or Deja News - do either of these still exist?)
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  • From x@x@x.net to alt.history.what-if on Sat Mar 7 15:17:36 2026
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    On 3/6/26 21:26, The Horny Goat wrote:
    One scenario I've don't remember ever seeing either here or on soc.history.what-if is how things would be different if the Shah of
    Iran had had a dozen or so nukes before his fall in 1979.

    This of course would probably have put nukes into the hands of the Ayatollah's from the beginning.

    Various possible outcomes I can envision include

    - an ultimatum to the Islamic Republic (probably by both the US and
    Soviets) to disarm under joint US / Soviet supervision
    - various cities in the Middle East (notably Tel Aviv and Riyadh,
    possibly Baghdad) glowing in the dark
    - certainly no invasion by Saddam Hussein either in 1980, 1991 or
    earlier

    Hmm. Israel had nukes in the 1970s. If you say Tel-Aviv is glowing
    then sections of Iran will be glowing also. They will still probably
    try to assassinate Saddam as they attempt to export their Islamic
    revolution elsewhere. It was a sort of escalating tit for tat when
    that was going on. It might turn out somewhat similar.

    - I don't think the Shah's regime would have the time to do what South Africa did which was to destroy all their nukes before handing over
    power to Mandela.
    For one thing the Shah had cancer and it's open to debate as to
    whether he had full control of Iran immediately before his fall - and
    if someone else did, who?

    If we HAVE discussed this scenario is it stored outside Usenet?

    (Either Google Groups or Deja News - do either of these still exist?)
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