• Ottoman Extinction

    From Louis Epstein@le@main.lekno.ws to alt.history.what-if on Thu Apr 11 15:57:43 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.history.what-if

    Into the 1600s the Ottoman succession involved a
    Sultan forbidden to have children before he succeeded
    killing all his brothers as soon as he succeeded.

    There were also assassinations going on,and feuding concubines/consorts/mothers.

    What would have happened to the Ottoman Empire if
    it ran out of Ottoman Emperors?

    I don't think the menfolk would let the "Sultanate
    of Women" emerge from behind the scenes,but how strong
    were the Islamic clergy?

    Forcibly-converted concubines and Janissaries might
    cause friction with the voluntary believers?

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  • From pyotr filipivich@phamp@mindspring.com to alt.history.what-if on Mon May 20 15:16:46 2024
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    Louis Epstein <le@main.lekno.ws> on Thu, 11 Apr 2024 15:57:43 -0000
    (UTC) typed in alt.history.what-if the following:
    Into the 1600s the Ottoman succession involved a
    Sultan forbidden to have children before he succeeded
    killing all his brothers as soon as he succeeded.

    There were also assassinations going on,and feuding >concubines/consorts/mothers.

    What would have happened to the Ottoman Empire if
    it ran out of Ottoman Emperors?

    The Usual. Someone else is "chosen". After all, possession
    9/10ths of being the legitimate heir.

    I don't think the menfolk would let the "Sultanate
    of Women" emerge from behind the scenes,but how strong
    were the Islamic clergy?

    Forcibly-converted concubines and Janissaries might
    cause friction with the voluntary believers?

    I recall being told that at one point, one of the concubines
    turned out to be a bit of the strategic genius. The Army
    (Janissaries) loved her for that.
    When the Sultan decided to get rid of her as a threat to his
    throne, he was "deposed" and the lead general took the throne and
    promptly married the concubine.

    -=-=-
    The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
    at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
    --
    pyotr filipivich
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  • From Louis Epstein@le@main.lekno.ws to alt.history.what-if on Wed Jun 5 07:37:40 2024
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    pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
    Louis Epstein <le@main.lekno.ws> on Thu, 11 Apr 2024 15:57:43 -0000
    (UTC) typed in alt.history.what-if the following:
    Into the 1600s the Ottoman succession involved a
    Sultan forbidden to have children before he succeeded
    killing all his brothers as soon as he succeeded.

    There were also assassinations going on,and feuding >>concubines/consorts/mothers.

    What would have happened to the Ottoman Empire if
    it ran out of Ottoman Emperors?

    The Usual. Someone else is "chosen". After all, possession
    9/10ths of being the legitimate heir.

    I don't think the menfolk would let the "Sultanate
    of Women" emerge from behind the scenes,but how strong
    were the Islamic clergy?

    Forcibly-converted concubines and Janissaries might
    cause friction with the voluntary believers?

    I recall being told that at one point, one of the concubines
    turned out to be a bit of the strategic genius. The Army
    (Janissaries) loved her for that.
    When the Sultan decided to get rid of her as a threat to his
    throne, he was "deposed" and the lead general took the throne and
    promptly married the concubine.

    However much a figurehead the Sultans were,the throne never left
    the family.

    -=-=-
    The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
    at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
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