• Are we getting to the tagline?

    From Louis Epstein@le@top.put.com to alt.history.what-if on Mon Jul 25 07:16:56 2022
    From Newsgroup: alt.history.what-if

    I've been seeing traffic in this group decline rapidly,and am put
    in mind of its menu tagline..."What would the internet have been like
    without this group?"...I hope we don't have to find out.

    -=-=-
    The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
    at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From pyotr filipivich@phamp@mindspring.com to alt.history.what-if on Tue Jul 26 07:56:58 2022
    From Newsgroup: alt.history.what-if

    Louis Epstein <le@top.put.com> on Mon, 25 Jul 2022 07:16:56 -0000
    (UTC) typed in alt.history.what-if the following:
    I've been seeing traffic in this group decline rapidly,and am put
    in mind of its menu tagline..."What would the internet have been like
    without this group?"...I hope we don't have to find out.

    Traffic in newsgroups is dropping off, in large part because to
    many people "the Internet" is Facebook, Twitter, and Google. If
    they've heard of "newsgroups" they think you mean "Google Groups".
    --
    pyotr filipivich
    "History rarely repeats herself" is the cliche. In reality she just
    lets fly with a frying pan yelling "Why weren't you listening the first time!?" --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to alt.history.what-if on Tue Jul 26 08:49:38 2022
    From Newsgroup: alt.history.what-if

    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 07:56:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich
    <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Louis Epstein <le@top.put.com> on Mon, 25 Jul 2022 07:16:56 -0000
    (UTC) typed in alt.history.what-if the following:
    I've been seeing traffic in this group decline rapidly,and am put
    in mind of its menu tagline..."What would the internet have been like >>without this group?"...I hope we don't have to find out.

    Traffic in newsgroups is dropping off, in large part because to
    many people "the Internet" is Facebook, Twitter, and Google. If
    they've heard of "newsgroups" they think you mean "Google Groups".

    Unfortunately too true - so many ISPs have dropped Usenet and my ISP
    tech guys told me at most 1-1.5% of their customers were using it when
    they dropped it. Me - I pay $10/mo to my provider mostly for the
    binaries with the chat groups like this being a most welcome add-on.
    Having been doing 'newsgroups' all the way back to the FidoNET era of
    the 80s I'd probably find something similar - Quora definitely isn't a replacement - I mostly go there for 2 reasons: (1) to mock the idiots
    who think their cockeyed scenarios deserve to be taken seriously and
    more importantly (2) there are some wonderful historical photos posted
    there - my favorite being a picture of Churchill and Kaiser Wilhelm II
    in full naval uniform from 1910.
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Trolidan7@Trolidan7@eternal-september.org to alt.history.what-if on Wed Jul 27 11:13:29 2022
    From Newsgroup: alt.history.what-if

    On 7/26/22 8:49 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 07:56:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich
    <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Louis Epstein <le@top.put.com> on Mon, 25 Jul 2022 07:16:56 -0000
    (UTC) typed in alt.history.what-if the following:
    I've been seeing traffic in this group decline rapidly,and am put
    in mind of its menu tagline..."What would the internet have been like
    without this group?"...I hope we don't have to find out.

    Traffic in newsgroups is dropping off, in large part because to
    many people "the Internet" is Facebook, Twitter, and Google. If
    they've heard of "newsgroups" they think you mean "Google Groups".

    Unfortunately too true - so many ISPs have dropped Usenet and my ISP
    tech guys told me at most 1-1.5% of their customers were using it when
    they dropped it. Me - I pay $10/mo to my provider mostly for the
    binaries with the chat groups like this being a most welcome add-on.
    Having been doing 'newsgroups' all the way back to the FidoNET era of
    the 80s I'd probably find something similar - Quora definitely isn't a replacement - I mostly go there for 2 reasons: (1) to mock the idiots
    who think their cockeyed scenarios deserve to be taken seriously and
    more importantly (2) there are some wonderful historical photos posted
    there - my favorite being a picture of Churchill and Kaiser Wilhelm II
    in full naval uniform from 1910.


    One thing I like about Usenet is that to the best of
    my knowledge, it is now owned by any specific
    corporation, rather, it is a protocol for the
    transfer of information between computers, somewhat
    like 'internet'.

    Many corporations do a type of censorship that
    they tend to call 'not censorship' because they
    obtain charters from governments to do types of
    transactions that they claim makes them 'not part
    of governments'. Thus they can not in their minds
    actually 'censor'.

    To some extent this started with the printing
    press. At that point the creating of books
    no longer involved the hand copying of words
    from some paper, parchment, or papyrus or
    cloth to other pieces of similar materials.

    If a person wanted a shorter book earlier than
    that the person employing a scribe could tell
    the scribe to 'paraphrase' to make shorter. The
    person could pay the scribe more per word for a
    lesser number of words. This took less time for
    the scribe, and the scribe sort of became an 'author'
    that way, but it really did not mean much because
    this only involved one physical book.

    Later on, however, with the mass production of
    the same words into a larger number of books or
    newspapers 'copyright' and mass 'censorship'
    seemed to mean somewhat more.

    To me, having middle men 'not censor' is a bad
    price to pay for the extra bells and whistles.

    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Trolidan7@Trolidan7@eternal-september.org to alt.history.what-if on Thu Jul 28 14:34:50 2022
    From Newsgroup: alt.history.what-if

    On 7/27/22 11:13 AM, Trolidan7 wrote:
    On 7/26/22 8:49 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 07:56:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich
    <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Louis Epstein <le@top.put.com> on Mon, 25 Jul 2022 07:16:56 -0000
    (UTC) typed in alt.history.what-if-a the following:
    I've been seeing traffic in this group decline rapidly,and am put
    in mind of its menu tagline..."What would the internet have been like
    without this group?"...I hope we don't have to find out.

    -a-a-a-aTraffic in newsgroups is dropping off, in large part because to
    many people "the Internet" is Facebook, Twitter, and Google.-a If
    they've heard of "newsgroups" they think you mean "Google Groups".

    Unfortunately too true - so many ISPs have dropped Usenet and my ISP
    tech guys told me at most 1-1.5% of their customers were using it when
    they dropped it. Me - I pay $10/mo to my provider mostly for the
    binaries with the chat groups like this being a most welcome add-on.
    Having been doing 'newsgroups' all the way back to the FidoNET era of
    the 80s I'd probably find something similar - Quora definitely isn't a
    replacement - I mostly go there for 2 reasons: (1) to mock the idiots
    who think their cockeyed scenarios deserve to be taken seriously and
    more importantly (2) there are some wonderful historical photos posted
    there - my favorite being a picture of Churchill and Kaiser Wilhelm II
    in full naval uniform from 1910.


    One thing I like about Usenet is that to the best of
    my knowledge, it is no(t) owned by any specific
    corporation, rather, it is a protocol for the
    transfer of information between computers, somewhat
    like 'internet'.
    ...
    Hopefully not 'now'.

    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Louis Epstein@le@top.put.com to alt.history.what-if on Fri Jul 29 23:51:13 2022
    From Newsgroup: alt.history.what-if

    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 07:56:58 -0700, pyotr filipivich
    <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

    Louis Epstein <le@top.put.com> on Mon, 25 Jul 2022 07:16:56 -0000
    (UTC) typed in alt.history.what-if the following:
    I've been seeing traffic in this group decline rapidly,and am put
    in mind of its menu tagline..."What would the internet have been like >>>without this group?"...I hope we don't have to find out.

    Traffic in newsgroups is dropping off, in large part because to
    many people "the Internet" is Facebook, Twitter, and Google. If
    they've heard of "newsgroups" they think you mean "Google Groups".

    Unfortunately too true - so many ISPs have dropped Usenet and my ISP
    tech guys told me at most 1-1.5% of their customers were using it when
    they dropped it. Me - I pay $10/mo to my provider mostly for the
    binaries with the chat groups like this being a most welcome add-on.
    Having been doing 'newsgroups' all the way back to the FidoNET era of
    the 80s I'd probably find something similar - Quora definitely isn't a replacement - I mostly go there for 2 reasons: (1) to mock the idiots
    who think their cockeyed scenarios deserve to be taken seriously and
    more importantly (2) there are some wonderful historical photos posted
    there - my favorite being a picture of Churchill and Kaiser Wilhelm II
    in full naval uniform from 1910.

    As the "bulletin boards" of the ENTIRE INTERNET the newsgroup
    hierarchies (Usenet,Netnews,whatever) rather than any particular
    domain ought to be all internet users' default.

    -=-=-
    The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
    at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From pyotr filipivich@phamp@mindspring.com to alt.history.what-if on Fri Jul 29 20:22:35 2022
    From Newsgroup: alt.history.what-if

    Louis Epstein <le@top.put.com> on Fri, 29 Jul 2022 23:51:13 -0000
    (UTC) typed in alt.history.what-if the following:

    Traffic in newsgroups is dropping off, in large part because to >>>many people "the Internet" is Facebook, Twitter, and Google. If
    they've heard of "newsgroups" they think you mean "Google Groups".

    Unfortunately too true - so many ISPs have dropped Usenet and my ISP
    tech guys told me at most 1-1.5% of their customers were using it when
    they dropped it. Me - I pay $10/mo to my provider mostly for the
    binaries with the chat groups like this being a most welcome add-on.
    Having been doing 'newsgroups' all the way back to the FidoNET era of
    the 80s I'd probably find something similar - Quora definitely isn't a
    replacement - I mostly go there for 2 reasons: (1) to mock the idiots
    who think their cockeyed scenarios deserve to be taken seriously and
    more importantly (2) there are some wonderful historical photos posted
    there - my favorite being a picture of Churchill and Kaiser Wilhelm II
    in full naval uniform from 1910.

    As the "bulletin boards" of the ENTIRE INTERNET the newsgroup
    hierarchies (Usenet,Netnews,whatever) rather than any particular
    domain ought to be all internet users' default.

    "ought to be" but since AOL came online ... Most people's idea of
    The Internet is Facebook, Twitter, and Google.
    --
    pyotr filipivich
    "History rarely repeats herself" is the cliche. In reality she just
    lets fly with a frying pan yelling "Why weren't you listening the first time!?" --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From edstas...@gmail.com@edstasiak1067@gmail.com to alt.history.what-if on Sat Jul 30 15:40:59 2022
    From Newsgroup: alt.history.what-if

    Trolidan7

    One thing I like about Usenet is that to the best of
    my knowledge, it is not owned by any specific
    corporation, rather, it is a protocol for the
    transfer of information between computers, somewhat
    like 'internet'.

    I keep hoping people will rediscover Usenet as they become pissed off
    with corporate social media but so far, that hasn't happened.
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From pyotr filipivich@phamp@mindspring.com to alt.history.what-if on Sat Jul 30 21:05:21 2022
    From Newsgroup: alt.history.what-if

    "edstas...@gmail.com" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> on Sat, 30 Jul 2022
    15:40:59 -0700 (PDT) typed in alt.history.what-if the following:
    Trolidan7

    One thing I like about Usenet is that to the best of
    my knowledge, it is not owned by any specific
    corporation, rather, it is a protocol for the
    transfer of information between computers, somewhat
    like 'internet'.

    I keep hoping people will rediscover Usenet as they become pissed off
    with corporate social media but so far, that hasn't happened.

    Where are they going to go? The issue is that the majority of
    people online in 2022 "know" that "The Internet" is Google, Facebook.
    and Twitter. AKA "Alphabet and Meta." The don't read, they just look
    at the pictures.
    --
    pyotr filipivich
    "History rarely repeats herself" is the cliche. In reality she just
    lets fly with a frying pan yelling "Why weren't you listening the first time!?" --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From edstas...@gmail.com@edstasiak1067@gmail.com to alt.history.what-if on Sat Aug 6 07:37:54 2022
    From Newsgroup: alt.history.what-if

    pyotr filipivich
    Ed Stasiak

    I keep hoping people will rediscover Usenet as they become pissed off
    with corporate social media but so far, that hasn't happened.

    Where are they going to go? The issue is that the majority of
    people online in 2022 "know" that "The Internet" is Google, Facebook.
    and Twitter. AKA "Alphabet and Meta." The don't read, they just look
    at the pictures.

    Well... yeah and as most nowadays seem to use their cellphones to
    access the Internet, it's only gotten worse.

    I use Reddit occasionally (mostly for the Detroit Lions board) and their alt-history board is shit, consisting mostly of kids posting re-colored
    maps (i.e. UberGermany v.995!) with no POD and not much discussion.

    I posted links to both "A Drowned Baby Timeline" and "ISOT USA 1942"
    to give them an idea of what a proper alt-timeline looks like and only
    a couple of people bothered looking at them...
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Louis Epstein@le@top.put.com to alt.history.what-if on Wed Aug 10 03:51:47 2022
    From Newsgroup: alt.history.what-if

    pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
    "edstas...@gmail.com" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> on Sat, 30 Jul 2022
    15:40:59 -0700 (PDT) typed in alt.history.what-if the following:
    Trolidan7

    One thing I like about Usenet is that to the best of
    my knowledge, it is not owned by any specific
    corporation, rather, it is a protocol for the
    transfer of information between computers, somewhat
    like 'internet'.

    I keep hoping people will rediscover Usenet as they become pissed off
    with corporate social media but so far, that hasn't happened.

    Where are they going to go? The issue is that the majority of
    people online in 2022 "know" that "The Internet" is Google, Facebook.
    and Twitter. AKA "Alphabet and Meta." The don't read, they just look
    at the pictures.

    There's also a sad lack of distinction between the Internet
    and the World Wide Web.

    -=-=-
    The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
    at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Louis Epstein@le@top.put.com to alt.history.what-if on Wed Aug 10 03:53:14 2022
    From Newsgroup: alt.history.what-if

    edstas...@gmail.com <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
    pyotr filipivich
    Ed Stasiak

    I keep hoping people will rediscover Usenet as they become pissed off
    with corporate social media but so far, that hasn't happened.

    Where are they going to go? The issue is that the majority of
    people online in 2022 "know" that "The Internet" is Google, Facebook.
    and Twitter. AKA "Alphabet and Meta." The don't read, they just look
    at the pictures.

    Well... yeah and as most nowadays seem to use their cellphones to
    access the Internet, it's only gotten worse.

    I use Reddit occasionally (mostly for the Detroit Lions board) and their alt-history board is shit, consisting mostly of kids posting re-colored
    maps (i.e. UberGermany v.995!) with no POD and not much discussion.

    I've been kicked off Twitter and Reddit (and Wikipedia),and I
    never EVER use a mobile device for Internet access.

    I posted links to both "A Drowned Baby Timeline" and "ISOT USA 1942"
    to give them an idea of what a proper alt-timeline looks like and only
    a couple of people bothered looking at them...

    -=-=-
    The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
    at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Louis Epstein@le@top.put.com to alt.history.what-if on Wed Aug 10 03:55:06 2022
    From Newsgroup: alt.history.what-if

    pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
    Louis Epstein <le@top.put.com> on Fri, 29 Jul 2022 23:51:13 -0000
    (UTC) typed in alt.history.what-if the following:

    Traffic in newsgroups is dropping off, in large part because to >>>>many people "the Internet" is Facebook, Twitter, and Google. If >>>>they've heard of "newsgroups" they think you mean "Google Groups".

    Unfortunately too true - so many ISPs have dropped Usenet and my ISP
    tech guys told me at most 1-1.5% of their customers were using it when
    they dropped it. Me - I pay $10/mo to my provider mostly for the
    binaries with the chat groups like this being a most welcome add-on.
    Having been doing 'newsgroups' all the way back to the FidoNET era of
    the 80s I'd probably find something similar - Quora definitely isn't a
    replacement - I mostly go there for 2 reasons: (1) to mock the idiots
    who think their cockeyed scenarios deserve to be taken seriously and
    more importantly (2) there are some wonderful historical photos posted
    there - my favorite being a picture of Churchill and Kaiser Wilhelm II
    in full naval uniform from 1910.

    As the "bulletin boards" of the ENTIRE INTERNET the newsgroup
    hierarchies (Usenet,Netnews,whatever) rather than any particular
    domain ought to be all internet users' default.

    "ought to be" but since AOL came online ... Most people's idea of The Internet is Facebook, Twitter, and Google.

    It drove me up the wall when AOL started calling itself the world's
    largest Internet Service Provider when by my standards it was not
    an ISP at all,just a particular online network that had internet
    access (as did CompuServe,etc).

    I was actually on a predecessor of AOL briefly (PC-Link) but
    stopped using it in short order.

    -=-=-
    The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
    at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From edstas...@gmail.com@edstasiak1067@gmail.com to alt.history.what-if on Wed Aug 10 13:18:43 2022
    From Newsgroup: alt.history.what-if

    Louis Epstein
    Ed Stasiak

    I use Reddit occasionally (mostly for the Detroit Lions board) and their alt-history board is shit, consisting mostly of kids posting re-colored maps (i.e. UberGermany v.995!) with no POD and not much discussion.

    I've been kicked off Twitter and Reddit (and Wikipedia),and I
    never EVER use a mobile device for Internet access.
    During the covid insanity, I tried posting an article (from CNN no less!)
    to r/news about California closing gun stores while leaving weed stores
    open and the thread was instantly deleted.
    When I asked the mods what was going on, they said all covid related
    comments must be made in the covid general thread and when I pointed
    out there were literally dozens of stand-alone covid threads, (all of course praising the governmentrCOs mask mandates, lock downs and such) I got
    the banhammer...
    https://i.postimg.cc/j5G1PR7m/permabanned.gif
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Louis Epstein@le@top.put.com to alt.history.what-if on Sat Sep 3 02:37:56 2022
    From Newsgroup: alt.history.what-if

    pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
    "edstas...@gmail.com" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> on Sat, 30 Jul 2022
    15:40:59 -0700 (PDT) typed in alt.history.what-if the following:
    Trolidan7

    One thing I like about Usenet is that to the best of
    my knowledge, it is not owned by any specific
    corporation, rather, it is a protocol for the
    transfer of information between computers, somewhat
    like 'internet'.

    I keep hoping people will rediscover Usenet as they become pissed off
    with corporate social media but so far, that hasn't happened.

    Where are they going to go? The issue is that the majority of
    people online in 2022 "know" that "The Internet" is Google, Facebook.
    and Twitter. AKA "Alphabet and Meta." The don't read, they just look
    at the pictures.

    I've been locked out of Twitter (and Wikipedia and Reddit) and have never
    been on Facebook and only use Google externally (no account).
    (Posting from twice-updated-lately tin).

    -=-=-
    The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
    at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
    --- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2