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After the spectacular Coudert/Desvignes showing a couple of weeks ago, I was looking forward to round 2 of Beaujolais by the Lake. I picked up Jeff and Craig at N. White Plains, and then we spent 1.5 hours on a 50 minute drive- at least I had good company in traffic. We arrived, and put out our contributions - charcuterie, cheeses, olives, and bread.
2018 At Roca Rosato (disgorged in 2021)
Quiet, Rainier cherry and orange zest, a little coarse, but decent rose cava. B+/B
What followed was a bit perplexing, a lineup I was eager to taste was mostly meh. Though room was quite warm, wines were all served at perfect temps, so that wasnrCOt the issue.:)
Maybe it was just me.
2011 Lapierre Morgon
Lifted, simple, a reminder I like Lapierre best young. B-
2011 Foillard Cote du Py Morgon
Corked
2011 Chamonard Clos de Lys Morgon
Big, tannin, dark fruited, good length B+
MMXI Lapierre (2011 Cuvee Marcel)
Ripe , fleshy, not thrilling. B
2011 Metras LrCOUltime Fleurie
Floral with that green aroma I often get in Loire Gamay (I call it geranium, though IrCOm not strong botanically), aromas of wood even though I think not new oak? C+
2010 Foillard Cote du Py Morgon
I liked more than others. ThererCOs a little volatile lifted note, but not extreme, but some nice black cherry and mushroom notes, but finish seems slightly tired. B
2010 Lapierre Morgon
Distinct VA, red fruited,
2000 Jadot Beaujolais-Villages
I thought it was optimistic of Cathleen to open,but ended up being one of my favorites. If very mature. Dead leaves when first opened, but cleans up, , cigarbox and forest floor, some cherry fruit hanging on.Fun.B/B+
2010 Foillard Corcelette Morgon
I liked much more than some others. Darker fruit, smoked meat, some floral notes. B+

2010 Metras LrCOUltime Fleurie
Hey, itrCOs lots better than the 11 or 09. Snappy red fruit, some wood, herbal notes. B
2009 Metras Fleurie
Good fruit, a bit low acid, again I donrCOt think this uses oak but has a vanilla tone. B-
2009 Lapierre Morgon
My fave of the Lapierres. Ripe and rich, but with a solid mineral core. B/B+ Next was a blind wine,though Sasha told us 09 Beaujolais.Most crus were named, and I actually went with Beaujolais AC, as it reminded me of a recent 05 Brun LrCOAncien. Really quite good, fresh red fruit but with complex herbal notes and a silky texture, light but with great finish. Brad actually got the exact wine, 2009 Billards St Amour A-
2009 Thevenet Morgon VV
Pretty developed but with remaining tannin, but good fruit, some anise, some earth. B+/A-
2009 Foillard Cote du Py Morgon
again a bit lifted, but feels advanced , while I still liked more than others there is some distinct brett, though within my tolerance level .B
2012 Gatinois Brut Champagne
I think this is BdN, but wouldnrCOt guess that, the supercrisp texture and apple/[earprofile would strike me as more BdB, but others feltit classic BdN. But I liked B+
2009 Metras lrCOUltime Fleurie
Red fruit, floral stems, sawdust. Not a fan. B-/C+
I think the MMIX Lapierre (2009 Cuvee Marcel) was out, but if I tasted I didnrCOt take notes. There were plenty of wines left but I had a schedule to keep (I was spitting, and blew an .02 after drinking the Champagne). I donrCOt know why so many wines- some of which I have liked before,seemed to putter, storage history was excellent. I donrCOt have a BioD calendar to blame it on a root day. I did leave early, and some later wines showed well I heard. But I had fun.
Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C drinkable. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.
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On 6/28/22 2:15 PM, dalewilli...@gmail.com wrote:

2000 Jadot Beaujolais-Villages
I thought it was optimistic of Cathleen to open,but ended up being one of my favorites. If very mature. Dead leaves when first opened, but cleans up, , cigarbox and forest floor, some cherry fruit hanging on.Fun.B/B+

This is fun! I've been reading Jeff's notes on the event, and
eventually I'll get to see JG's notes. As I opined to Jeff, I really
don't see the point in aging a B-V, which AFAIC isn't meant to be aged,
apart from scientific curiosity. I certainly wouldn't expect it to get
any better with age.

2009 Metras Fleurie
Good fruit, a bit low acid, again I donrCOt think this uses oak but has a vanilla tone. B-

Sasha really hated this, and said that it had a lactic note. Do you
think that might be what you're calling vanilla? I really can't recall getting a lactic note in an aged wine.

I think the MMIX Lapierre (2009 Cuvee Marcel) was out, but if I tasted I didnrCOt take notes. There were plenty of wines left but I had a schedule to keep (I was spitting, and blew an .02 after drinking the Champagne). I donrCOt know why so many wines- some of which I have liked before,seemed to putter, storage history was excellent. I donrCOt have a BioD calendar to blame it on a root day. I did leave early, and some later wines showed well I heard. But I had fun.

According to Jeff, folks like it OK but felt that it wasn't recognizably Gamay.

Thanks for the notes, Dale.

Mark Lipton
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On 30/06/22 05:44, Mark Lipton wrote:

On 6/28/22 2:15 PM, dalewilli...@gmail.com wrote:

2000 Jadot-a Beaujolais-Villages
I thought it was optimistic of Cathleen to open,but ended up being one
of my favorites. If very mature. Dead leaves when first opened,-a but
cleans up, , cigarbox and forest floor, some cherry fruit hanging
on.Fun.B/B+

This is fun!-a I've been reading Jeff's notes on the event, and
eventually I'll get to see JG's notes.-a As I opined to Jeff, I really
don't see the point in aging a B-V, which AFAIC isn't meant to be aged, apart from scientific curiosity.-a I certainly wouldn't expect it to get
any better with age.

2009 Metras Fleurie
-a Good fruit,-a a bit low acid, again I donrCOt think this uses oak but
has a vanilla tone. B-

Sasha really hated this, and said that it had a lactic note.-a Do you
think that might be what you're calling vanilla?-a I really can't recall getting a lactic note in an aged wine.

I quite often get a lactic (creamy ) texture and taste in red wines
which have under gone a malolactic ferment when age has moderated the
primary flavours. More noticeable in cool vintages where 'green' malic
acid is more prevalent. :-)
Of course, malolactic flavours very common in some white wines esp
chardonnay from some producers. Oak + lactic = butterscotch flavours


Always appreciate your ng contributions, Dale

I think the MMIX Lapierre (2009 Cuvee Marcel) was out, but if I tasted
I didnrCOt take notes. There were plenty of wines left but I had a
schedule to keep (I was spitting, and blew an .02 after drinking the
Champagne). I donrCOt know why so many wines- some of which I have liked
before,seemed to putter, storage history was excellent. I donrCOt have a
BioD calendar to blame it on a root day. I did leave early, and some
later wines showed well I heard. But I had fun.

According to Jeff, folks like it OK but felt that it wasn't recognizably Gamay.

Thanks for the notes, Dale.

Mark Lipton

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On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 7:24:48 PM UTC-4, greybeard wrote:

On 30/06/22 05:44, Mark Lipton wrote:

2000 Jadot Beaujolais-Villages
I thought it was optimistic of Cathleen to open,but ended up being one
of my favorites. If very mature. Dead leaves when first opened, but
cleans up, , cigarbox and forest floor, some cherry fruit hanging
on.Fun.B/B+

This is fun! I've been reading Jeff's notes on the event, and
eventually I'll get to see JG's notes. As I opined to Jeff, I really don't see the point in aging a B-V, which AFAIC isn't meant to be aged, apart from scientific curiosity. I certainly wouldn't expect it to get any better with age.

I think Jeff and Brad liked less than those at my end. I was shocked at the idea of 20+ year BV (why I called Cathleen optimistic) But Cathleen was at Kobrand for many years, and said at the time (IIRC) that the Jadot BV from this period was mostly Regnie. She thought it was structured and put away some bottles in a box with some Ch des Jacques. .When Regnie became a cru (about this time) Jadot had the long term contracts, but didnt want to add a cru bottling and lose the bulk of their BV source. Not true these days I'm sure.

2009 Metras Fleurie
Good fruit, a bit low acid, again I donrCOt think this uses oak but
has a vanilla tone. B-

Sasha really hated this, and said that it had a lactic note. Do you
think that might be what you're calling vanilla? I really can't recall getting a lactic note in an aged wine.

I'm sure that vanillin oak and lactic notes are on same area of flavor wheel, and it's quite possible my vanilla is Sasha's oak
cheers
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