• origin of XGP fonts (was Re: reprints of old AI memos)

    From Kragen Javier Sitaker@kragen@canonical.org to alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers on Mon Sep 28 10:44:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> writes:
    Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote:
    I wonder where they [the XGP fonts] came from?

    I read a story somwhere, but I forgot the details and where I found it.
    It was something like getting a font catalog from a major foundry and digitizing it by hand.

    People also made their own; the AST file format is just a text file with pixel data, and on ITS there's FED (font "editor") to display a font on
    the 340 or a Knight TV. I think SAIL had something else, certaily so
    when TeX and Metafont were developed.

    "The Last Whole XGP Font Catalog" (play on "Last Whole Earth Catalog")
    has a lot to say about the XGP.

    I was reading Butler LampsonrCOs 01988 retrospective on the Alto today <https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/61975.66921> and he answered this
    question:

    : The first imager, written by Peter Deutsch, drove the Xerox Graphics
    : Printer. This machine is slow (five pages/minute) and low resolution
    : (200 dots/inch); it is also asynchronous, so the imager can take as
    : long as it likes to generate each line of the raster. Only crude
    : imaging software was developed for it, together with a few fonts.
    : Raster fonts were unheard of at the time, except in 5 |u 7 and 7 |u 9
    : resolution for terminals, or at very high resolution for expensive
    : photo-typesetters. The XGP fonts were developed entirely manually,
    : using an editor that allows the operator to turn individual dots in
    : the roughly 20 |u 20 matrix on and off. They had to be new designs,
    : since it is impractical to faithfully copy a printerrCOs font at such
    : low resolution. These XGP fonts were later widely used in
    : universities.


    Kragen
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Peter Flass@Peter@Iron-Spring.com to alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers on Mon Sep 28 07:33:34 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 9/28/26 06:44, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote:
    Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> writes:
    Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote:
    I wonder where they [the XGP fonts] came from?

    I read a story somwhere, but I forgot the details and where I found it.
    It was something like getting a font catalog from a major foundry and
    digitizing it by hand.

    People also made their own; the AST file format is just a text file with
    pixel data, and on ITS there's FED (font "editor") to display a font on
    the 340 or a Knight TV. I think SAIL had something else, certaily so
    when TeX and Metafont were developed.

    "The Last Whole XGP Font Catalog" (play on "Last Whole Earth Catalog")
    has a lot to say about the XGP.

    I was reading Butler LampsonrCOs 01988 retrospective on the Alto today <https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/61975.66921> and he answered this question:

    : The first imager, written by Peter Deutsch, drove the Xerox Graphics
    : Printer. This machine is slow (five pages/minute) and low resolution
    : (200 dots/inch); it is also asynchronous, so the imager can take as
    : long as it likes to generate each line of the raster. Only crude
    : imaging software was developed for it, together with a few fonts.
    : Raster fonts were unheard of at the time, except in 5 |u 7 and 7 |u 9
    : resolution for terminals, or at very high resolution for expensive
    : photo-typesetters. The XGP fonts were developed entirely manually,
    : using an editor that allows the operator to turn individual dots in
    : the roughly 20 |u 20 matrix on and off. They had to be new designs,
    : since it is impractical to faithfully copy a printerrCOs font at such
    : low resolution. These XGP fonts were later widely used in
    : universities.



    The SAIL fonts were, at one point, available from one of the PC
    shareware sites. I imagine they are still kicking around somewhere. I
    played with them at one time, I think the major obstacle is that they
    were (IIRC) 200dpi.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@johann@myrkraverk.invalid to alt.sys.pdp10,alt.folklore.computers on Mon Sep 28 22:53:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 9/28/2026 10:33 PM, Peter Flass wrote:
    On 9/28/26 06:44, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote:
    Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> writes:
    Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote:
    I wonder where they [the XGP fonts] came from?

    I read a story somwhere, but I forgot the details and where I found it.
    It was something like getting a font catalog from a major foundry and
    digitizing it by hand.

    People also made their own; the AST file format is just a text file with >>> pixel data, and on ITS there's FED (font "editor") to display a font on
    the 340 or a Knight TV.-a I think SAIL had something else, certaily so
    when TeX and Metafont were developed.

    "The Last Whole XGP Font Catalog" (play on "Last Whole Earth Catalog")
    has a lot to say about the XGP.

    I was reading Butler LampsonrCOs 01988 retrospective on the Alto today
    <https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/61975.66921> and he answered this
    question:

    : The first imager, written by Peter Deutsch, drove the Xerox Graphics
    : Printer.-a This machine is slow (five pages/minute) and low resolution
    : (200 dots/inch); it is also asynchronous, so the imager can take as
    : long as it likes to generate each line of the raster. Only crude
    : imaging software was developed for it, together with a few fonts.
    : Raster fonts were unheard of at the time, except in 5 |u 7 and 7 |u 9
    : resolution for terminals, or at very high resolution for expensive
    : photo-typesetters. The XGP fonts were developed entirely manually,
    : using an editor that allows the operator to turn individual dots in
    : the roughly 20 |u 20 matrix on and off. They had to be new designs,
    : since it is impractical to faithfully copy a printerrCOs font at such
    : low resolution. These XGP fonts were later widely used in
    : universities.



    The SAIL fonts were, at one point, available from one of the PC
    shareware sites. I imagine they are still kicking around somewhere. I
    played with them at one time, I think the major obstacle is that they
    were (IIRC) 200dpi.

    A slight tangent on the discussion of pixel fonts. I seem to recall
    reading the Microsoft's .FON specification -- I don't know if it's
    still available on their website, but no matter -- and it supported
    coloured fonts. I don't recall if each individual pixel was colour-
    able, or just the character, or the whole set.

    It seems nobody ever used this, not even Microsoft.

    Other than video games, I don't know anyone using two or more colours
    per character in a pixel font.


    Does alt.folklore.computers know better?
    --
    Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/
    I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via XS News https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:;
    Federated at https://fed.brid.gy/bsky/myrkraverk.bsky.social
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2