• Dinner with John Levine

    From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@johann@myrkraverk.invalid to alt.folklore.computers on Wed Sep 23 02:01:34 2026
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    Dear alt.folklore.computers,

    Earlier this evening I had a very nice dinner with a book by John
    Levine, and enjoyed both immensely. Here is a link to a picture on
    a different social media site, as alt.folklore.computers is somewhat
    old fashioned, and restricts posts to A.S.C.I.I. most of the time, and
    Unicode some of the time.

    https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social/post/3mw4rleu5uc2g

    I did not try my hand at rendering this photo into A.S.C.I.I. art. Do
    you think A.A. lib would do it justice?


    Best wishes, and happy reading of /Flex & Bison/ by John Levine!
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  • From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@johann@myrkraverk.invalid to alt.folklore.computers on Thu Sep 24 19:14:17 2026
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    On 9/23/2026 2:01 AM, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
    Dear alt.folklore.computers,

    Earlier this evening I had a very nice dinner with a book by John
    Levine, and enjoyed both immensely.-a Here is a link to a picture on
    a different social media site, as alt.folklore.computers is somewhat
    old fashioned, and restricts posts to A.S.C.I.I. most of the time, and Unicode some of the time.

    -a https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social/post/3mw4rleu5uc2g

    I did not try my hand at rendering this photo into A.S.C.I.I. art.-a Do
    you think A.A. lib would do it justice?


    Best wishes, and happy reading of /Flex & Bison/ by John Levine!

    I just acquired /Understanding and Using COFF/, a great companion to
    John's /Linkers & Loaders/. I would hope some of the alt.folklore.com-
    puters regulars would be interested, so here's a picture.

    https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social/post/3mwb3zgs7h226

    The book is written by Gintaras R. Gircys, and explains the intricacies
    of this brand new System V file format, first published according to Wi- kipedia in 1983. The book came out later, or in 1988.

    I try not to be too much off topic, and I hope computer folklore from
    the 1980s is not too recent to consider on topic in alt.folklore.com-
    puters.

    Alas, this is an example of my tsundoku, so I will not be programming my
    own C.O.F.F. file processor in the near future. I am able to read the
    book and answer questions, if any. I chose not to cross post to comp. compilers, because this is something that should be handled by the ass-
    embler. If you need a reference on how to write your own, please direct yourself to the following website, and be illuminated.

    https://www.davidsalomon.name/assem.advertis/AssemAd.html

    There you can download the P.D.F., which is not immediately obvious if
    you just glance at the text like an L.L.M.


    Best wishes, and happy C.O.F.F. file format!

    P.S. This post to alt.folklore.computers was sponsored by the redundant department of redundancy.
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  • From Peter Flass@Peter@Iron-Spring.com to alt.folklore.computers on Thu Sep 24 07:39:41 2026
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    On 9/24/26 04:14, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:

    I try not to be too much off topic, and I hope computer folklore from
    the 1980s is not too recent to consider on topic in alt.folklore.com-
    puters.

    Isn't the cutoff ten years? To me ten years is a blip, but there are
    fewer of us old-timers now than there used to be.


    Alas, this is an example of my tsundoku, so I will not be programming my
    own C.O.F.F. file processor in the near future.-a I am able to read the
    book and answer questions, if any.-a I chose not to cross post to comp. compilers, because this is something that should be handled by the ass- embler.-a If you need a reference on how to write your own, please direct yourself to the following website, and be illuminated.

    -a https://www.davidsalomon.name/assem.advertis/AssemAd.html

    There you can download the P.D.F., which is not immediately obvious if
    you just glance at the text like an L.L.M.

    Thanks.
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  • From John Levine@johnl@taugh.com to alt.folklore.computers on Thu Sep 24 19:22:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    According to Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid>:
    I just acquired /Understanding and Using COFF/, a great companion to
    John's /Linkers & Loaders/. I would hope some of the alt.folklore.com- >puters regulars would be interested, so here's a picture.

    https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social/post/3mwb3zgs7h226

    The book is written by Gintaras R. Gircys, and explains the intricacies
    of this brand new System V file format, first published according to Wi- >kipedia in 1983. The book came out later, or in 1988.

    Man, there's a blast from the past. COFF turned out to be inadequate
    for the job so SVR4 moved to ELF, same idea but better specified and
    more complete. But in the meantime Microsoft used a mutant version
    of COFF for their executables and if you look at a current Windows
    PE file, you'll find some very COFF-ish bits.
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    Regards,
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    Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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  • From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@johann@myrkraverk.invalid to alt.folklore.computers on Fri Sep 25 05:39:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 9/25/2026 3:22 AM, John Levine wrote:
    According to Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid>:
    I just acquired /Understanding and Using COFF/, a great companion to
    John's /Linkers & Loaders/. I would hope some of the alt.folklore.com-
    puters regulars would be interested, so here's a picture.

    https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social/post/3mwb3zgs7h226

    The book is written by Gintaras R. Gircys, and explains the intricacies
    of this brand new System V file format, first published according to Wi-
    kipedia in 1983. The book came out later, or in 1988.

    Man, there's a blast from the past. COFF turned out to be inadequate
    for the job so SVR4 moved to ELF, same idea but better specified and
    more complete. But in the meantime Microsoft used a mutant version
    of COFF for their executables and if you look at a current Windows
    PE file, you'll find some very COFF-ish bits.


    All is not lost in the world of elves, because the dwarfs have not yet
    decided what bit pattern represents the programming language /Common
    Lisp/. When I last looked into it, it seemed strange to me, but then
    the Lisp world has a strange habit of simply /ignoring/ everything in
    the Unix world. As if the Unix vs. Lisp flame war was still ongoing,
    and cease fire of nineteen hundred and ninety-four never happened.

    That year saw also the first edition of Christian Queinnec's /Prin-
    cipes d'Implantation de Scheme et Lisp/. It was also the year of
    Heretic -- not the Horus Heresy I believe -- and the outbreak of fights
    in Tekken. It saw the last release of Microsoft's MS-DOS 6.22, and the
    Sony PlayStation I. The latter under influence by the great S.G.I., had
    a S.P.I.M. compatible core [1], yet Intel released its second generation Pentium.

    Some people say the world has never been the same since, and I believe
    that to be true.


    Best wishes, and thank you for stopping by my monologue in alt.folklore. computers!

    [1] We don't mention the trademark, they do RISC-V now.
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  • From Peter Flass@Peter@Iron-Spring.com to alt.folklore.computers on Thu Sep 24 20:56:35 2026
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    On 9/24/26 14:39, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:

    All is not lost in the world of elves, because the dwarfs have not yet decided what bit pattern represents the programming language /Common
    Lisp/.-a When I last looked into it, it seemed strange to me, but then
    the Lisp world has a strange habit of simply /ignoring/ everything in
    the Unix world.-a As if the Unix vs. Lisp flame war was still ongoing,
    and cease fire of nineteen hundred and ninety-four never happened.

    Was there once an OS written in Lisp?
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  • From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@johann@myrkraverk.invalid to alt.folklore.computers on Fri Sep 25 12:07:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 9/25/2026 11:56 AM, Peter Flass wrote:
    On 9/24/26 14:39, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:

    All is not lost in the world of elves, because the dwarfs have not yet
    decided what bit pattern represents the programming language /Common
    Lisp/.-a When I last looked into it, it seemed strange to me, but then
    the Lisp world has a strange habit of simply /ignoring/ everything in
    the Unix world.-a As if the Unix vs. Lisp flame war was still ongoing,
    and cease fire of nineteen hundred and ninety-four never happened.

    Was there once an OS written in Lisp?

    I suppose Genera qualifies, but I've never used it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genera_(software)

    I don't know a better source that Wikipedia this time.
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  • From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@johann@myrkraverk.invalid to alt.folklore.computers,alt.fantasy on Sat Sep 26 23:14:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 9/25/2026 5:39 AM, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
    On 9/25/2026 3:22 AM, John Levine wrote:
    According to Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson-a <johann@myrkraverk.invalid>: >>> I just acquired /Understanding and Using COFF/, a great companion to
    John's /Linkers & Loaders/.-a I would hope some of the alt.folklore.com- >>> puters regulars would be interested, so here's a picture.

    -a-a https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social/post/3mwb3zgs7h226

    The book is written by Gintaras R. Gircys, and explains the intricacies
    of this brand new System V file format, first published according to Wi- >>> kipedia in 1983.-a The book came out later, or in 1988.

    Man, there's a blast from the past.-a COFF turned out to be inadequate
    for the job so SVR4 moved to ELF, same idea but better specified and
    more complete.-a But in the meantime Microsoft used a mutant version
    of COFF for their executables and if you look at a current Windows
    PE file, you'll find some very COFF-ish bits.


    All is not lost in the world of elves, because the dwarfs have not yet decided what bit pattern represents the programming language /Common
    Lisp/.-a When I last looked into it, it seemed strange to me, but then
    the Lisp world has a strange habit of simply /ignoring/ everything in
    the Unix world.-a As if the Unix vs. Lisp flame war was still ongoing,
    and cease fire of nineteen hundred and ninety-four never happened.

    That year saw also the first edition of Christian Queinnec's /Prin-
    cipes d'Implantation de Scheme et Lisp/.-a It was also the year of
    Heretic -- not the Horus Heresy I believe -- and the outbreak of fights
    in Tekken.-a It saw the last release of Microsoft's MS-DOS 6.22, and the
    Sony PlayStation I.-a The latter under influence by the great S.G.I., had
    a S.P.I.M. compatible core [1], yet Intel released its second generation Pentium.

    Some people say the world has never been the same since, and I believe
    that to be true.


    Best wishes, and thank you for stopping by my monologue in alt.folklore. computers!

    [1] We don't mention the trademark, they do RISC-V now.

    A small set of compiler books. Not worthy of a post to comp.compilers.

    https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social/post/3mwgkgiozqk2t

    I'll direct your attention to /Compiler Construction/ by John Elder, and
    no elder has written a better book on /A Recursive Descent Model/.

    The world famous C.A.R. Hoare is the series editor, and I hope this se-
    ries of world famous books worth of the Prentice Hall International Se-
    ries in Computer Science will some day make its way to the collection of Frieren [1], and for that I have included alt.fantasy in this discuss-
    ion.

    This book was also published in the year of nineteen hundred and ninety
    four, and therefore fits in the theme we have set for the flame war be-
    tween Lisp and Unix.

    This book has beautiful diagrams worthy of note, better than ones made
    by GraphViz.

    And even though it's somewhat young for the standards of alt.folklore. computers, I thought it was worth mentioning because the elder crea-
    tures of alt.folklore.computers have mostly gone silent. Maybe it was
    the start of the university semester? And even if not a spark for dis- cussion, this topic now has a beautiful picture the regulars of alt. folklore.computers can now admire.


    Best wishes, and happy reading of John the Elder.

    [1] You know who that is, right?
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