• Re: (old_version.exe... IBM mainframes and 3270 emulation

    From Lars Poulsen@lars@beagle-ears.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Thu Jun 18 06:48:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 2026-06-16 20:19, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 6/17/2026 8:05 AM, ....winston wrote:

    Few Windows 11 or 10 devices are present on mainframe servers(an
    unlikely place for Windows 11/10 devices). Windows 11/10 devices are
    external to mainframe environment and acting as endpoint for mainframe
    management.

    Why not place some Windows machines inside a computer room if they can
    run terminal emulation? I think operator consoles of IBM mainframes are still 3270????

    Enterprise admins are not jumping through hoops to use 3270 emulation.

    Which is strange!! There is nothing wrong about 3270, VT-100 and ANSI.
    To secure these old protocols, just box or wrap them with a security shield???

    BTW, IBM mainframes (and AS/400 possibly) have communication controllers with security built-in.

    Those 3270 emulators are becoming dinosaurs, less secure in protecting
    business or risk.-a For some time, the two-tier web-based ....

    What made modern LAN and Wifi adapters/USB dongles more secured?-a :)

    I have not been hands-on close to IBM mainframes since the OS was called
    MVT, but I am pretty sure that real 3279's are long gone, except in the incarnation of tn3270 (3270 over telnet). And I suspect the console
    complex is a PC "service processor". I wonder if it runs OS/2?
    --
    Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Thu Jun 18 15:25:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    Lars Poulsen wrote:
    I suspect the console complex is a PC "service processor". I wonder if
    it runs OS/2?

    Yes, thinkpad with OS/2 Warp on a z seies

    <https://youtu.be/AptJJsO5qCg&t=343>
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  • From Peter Flass@Peter@Iron-Spring.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Thu Jun 18 07:58:15 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 6/18/26 06:48, Lars Poulsen wrote:
    On 2026-06-16 20:19, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 6/17/2026 8:05 AM, ....winston wrote:

    Few Windows 11 or 10 devices are present on mainframe servers(an
    unlikely place for Windows 11/10 devices). Windows 11/10 devices are
    external to mainframe environment and acting as endpoint for mainframe
    management.

    Why not place some Windows machines inside a computer room if they can
    run terminal emulation? I think operator consoles of IBM mainframes
    are still 3270????

    Enterprise admins are not jumping through hoops to use 3270 emulation.

    Which is strange!! There is nothing wrong about 3270, VT-100 and ANSI.
    To secure these old protocols, just box or wrap them with a security
    shield???

    BTW, IBM mainframes (and AS/400 possibly) have communication
    controllers with security built-in.

    Those 3270 emulators are becoming dinosaurs, less secure in protecting
    business or risk.-a For some time, the two-tier web-based ....

    What made modern LAN and Wifi adapters/USB dongles more secured?-a :)

    I have not been hands-on close to IBM mainframes since the OS was called MVT, but I am pretty sure that real 3279's are long gone, except in the incarnation of tn3270 (3270 over telnet). And I suspect the console
    complex is a PC "service processor". I wonder if it runs OS/2?


    IBM stopped making terminals some years ago.
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  • From Peter Flass@Peter@Iron-Spring.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Thu Jun 18 08:00:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 6/18/26 07:25, Andy Burns wrote:
    Lars Poulsen wrote:
    I suspect the console complex is a PC "service processor". I wonder if
    it runs OS/2?

    Yes, thinkpad with OS/2 Warp on a z seies

    <https://youtu.be/AptJJsO5qCg&t=343>

    Wow! I didn't realize this was still true. I can see the point in using
    an OS that's 100% under IBM's control, though.
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  • From David Wade@g4ugm@dave.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Thu Jun 18 16:39:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 18/06/2026 16:00, Peter Flass wrote:
    On 6/18/26 07:25, Andy Burns wrote:
    Lars Poulsen wrote:
    I suspect the console complex is a PC "service processor". I wonder
    if it runs OS/2?

    Yes, thinkpad with OS/2 Warp on a z seies

    <https://youtu.be/AptJJsO5qCg&t=343>

    Wow! I didn't realize this was still true. I can see the point in using
    an OS that's 100% under IBM's control, though.

    This is not still true. From the Z9 onwards its Linux based...

    Dave
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Fri Jun 19 01:02:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 6/18/2026 9:48 PM, Lars Poulsen wrote:

    I have not been hands-on close to IBM mainframes since the OS was called
    MVT, but I am pretty sure that real 3279's are long gone ...


    I remember the weight of a 3279 graphical terminal when I worked in IBM
    World Trade Asia Corp.! It's really heavy and big! :)
    --

    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Fri Jun 19 01:04:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 6/18/2026 10:58 PM, Peter Flass wrote:

    IBM stopped making terminals some years ago.

    IBM moved its Hong Kong HQ to Japan after my industrial placement. Some
    said it's because of June 4 1989.
    --

    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Fri Jun 19 19:47:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 19/06/2026 3:04 am, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 6/18/2026 10:58 PM, Peter Flass wrote:

    IBM stopped making terminals some years ago.

    IBM moved its Hong Kong HQ to Japan after my industrial placement. Some
    said it's because of June 4 1989.

    I had to Google that Date.

    How quickly we forget .... or is it just that sooooo many 'BAD' things
    are happening that we forget sooo quickly??

    https://www.onthisday.com/date/1989/june/4
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Fri Jun 19 18:43:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 6/19/2026 5:47 PM, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 19/06/2026 3:04 am, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    I had to Google that Date.

    How quickly we forget .... or is it just that sooooo many 'BAD' things
    are happening that we forget sooo quickly??
    And don't forget about July 1st 1997.

    I actually was involved in moving IBM's office, from Central to
    Admiralty, when it expanded its Hong Kong HQ.
    --

    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Fri Jun 19 18:50:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 6/19/2026 1:02 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 6/18/2026 9:48 PM, Lars Poulsen wrote:

    I have not been hands-on close to IBM mainframes since the OS was called
    MVT, but I am pretty sure that real 3279's are long gone ...


    I remember the weight of a 3279 graphical terminal when I worked in IBM
    World Trade Asia Corp.! It's really heavy and big! :)


    I also touched many PS/2 computers physically. They are no more now. But
    I like their metal chassis... no glass.
    --

    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Fri Jun 19 15:17:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    I also touched many PS/2 computers physically. They are no more now. But
    I like their metal chassis...

    A very satisfying 'thunk' from the handle of a PS/2 Model 80 falling
    back into place ...

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  • From Peter Flass@Peter@Iron-Spring.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Fri Jun 19 07:38:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 6/19/26 02:47, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 19/06/2026 3:04 am, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 6/18/2026 10:58 PM, Peter Flass wrote:

    IBM stopped making terminals some years ago.

    IBM moved its Hong Kong HQ to Japan after my industrial placement.
    Some said it's because of June 4 1989.

    I had to Google that Date.

    How quickly we forget .... or is it just that sooooo many 'BAD' things
    are happening that we forget sooo quickly??

    https://www.onthisday.com/date/1989/june/4

    We certainly remember the event, but I had to google the date too.
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Fri Jun 19 23:37:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 6/19/2026 10:17 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    I also touched many PS/2 computers physically. They are no more now. But
    I like their metal chassis...

    A very satisfying 'thunk' from the handle of a PS/2 Model 80 falling
    back into place ...


    Did you notice that those fish-tank computer chassis usually have no
    handle to lift them?

    What if the glass was so slipper and you dropped the glassy fancy
    chassis? :)

    I can see why manufacturers love glassy computer chassis. And it must be
    black so that you cannot see them in the dark.
    --

    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Fri Jun 19 23:39:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 6/19/2026 10:38 PM, Peter Flass wrote:
    On 6/19/26 02:47, Daniel70 wrote:

    I had to Google that Date.

    How quickly we forget .... or is it just that sooooo many 'BAD' things
    are happening that we forget sooo quickly??

    https://www.onthisday.com/date/1989/june/4

    We certainly remember the event, but I had to google the date too.


    Please go to alt.conspiracy to continue. It's no longer about computers!!
    --

    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Fri Jun 19 23:27:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On Fri, 6/19/2026 11:37 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 6/19/2026 10:17 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    I also touched many PS/2 computers physically. They are no more now. But >>> I like their metal chassis...

    A very satisfying 'thunk' from the handle of a PS/2 Model 80 falling
    back into place ...


    Did you notice that those fish-tank computer chassis usually have no handle to lift them?

    What if the glass was so slipper and you dropped the glassy fancy chassis?-a :)

    I can see why manufacturers love glassy computer chassis. And it must be black so that you cannot see them in the dark.


    I often wonder what people buy for computer cases.

    It used to be, the "popular" cases were the ones for $40
    with the sharp metal edges on them. The person would show
    you all the bandages on their hands from the build, with
    a big shit-eating grin from the "only paid $40 for this".
    You know those will sell. Those were the cases that used
    to get crushed by UPS, before the case was delivered (tomato tin
    metal).

    For the boutique ones, it's hard to say which one is
    really popular.

    And you can do it this way. Not bother with computer components
    and just have the case and some fans :-) Your friends will be
    impressed by your sense of "taste".

    https://gamersnexus.net/u/styles/large_responsive_no_watermark_/public/inline-images/vlcsnap-2024-06-24-12h01m08s673.jpg.webp

    ( https://gamersnexus.net/cases/best-pc-cases-2024-so-far-new-designs-round-computex )

    And for those people who are worried about dropping their case,
    you can get one with a really crappy handle :-) I expect the
    first thing you'd be doing, is plotting how to replace that
    with a decent handle.

    https://gamersnexus.net/u/styles/large_responsive_no_watermark_/public/inline-images/vlcsnap-2024-06-24-12h00m29s442.jpg.webp

    Paul
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Sat Jun 20 11:45:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 6/20/2026 11:27 AM, Paul wrote:


    And for those people who are worried about dropping their case,
    you can get one with a really crappy handle :-) I expect the
    first thing you'd be doing, is plotting how to replace that
    with a decent handle.

    Can you use sonic sound wave to break tempered glass? I doubt any glassy computer chassis has sufficient damping. :)

    Also in terms of security and privacy, a hidden camera on the
    motherboard (disguised as a component) can watch you all day. Or maybe a really nano-microphone....
    --

    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Sat Jun 20 21:47:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 19/06/2026 8:43 pm, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 6/19/2026 5:47 PM, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 19/06/2026 3:04 am, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    I had to Google that Date.

    How quickly we forget .... or is it just that sooooo many 'BAD' things
    are happening that we forget sooo quickly??
    And don't forget about July 1st 1997.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handover_of_Hong_Kong

    I'm sure I was in Hong Kong in April, 1996, just before the Handover
    .... No, come to think of it IT WAS April, 1997 cause I had to get a new
    (10 year) Passport because the one I got in Sept 1987 (to attend my
    Sisters Wedding in Scotland) might not have been acceptable to HK Staff
    nine and a half years later to get into HK!! ;-P

    I actually was involved in moving IBM's office, from Central to
    Admiralty, when it expanded its Hong Kong HQ.
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From Mister Johnson@root@example.net to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Sat Jun 20 11:51:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.folklore.computers.]
    On 2026-06-19, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 19/06/2026 3:04 am, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 6/18/2026 10:58 PM, Peter Flass wrote:

    IBM stopped making terminals some years ago.

    IBM moved its Hong Kong HQ to Japan after my industrial placement. Some
    said it's because of June 4 1989.

    I had to Google that Date.

    How quickly we forget .... or is it just that sooooo many 'BAD' things
    are happening that we forget sooo quickly??

    https://www.onthisday.com/date/1989/june/4

    8964 : Chinese dissident code
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Sat Jun 20 09:24:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On Fri, 6/19/2026 11:45 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 6/20/2026 11:27 AM, Paul wrote:


    And for those people who are worried about dropping their case,
    you can get one with a really crappy handle :-) I expect the
    first thing you'd be doing, is plotting how to replace that
    with a decent handle.

    Can you use sonic sound wave to break tempered glass? I doubt any glassy computer chassis has sufficient damping. :)

    Also in terms of security and privacy, a hidden camera on the motherboard (disguised as a component) can watch you all day. Or maybe a really nano-microphone....

    I think people have reported that the glass breaks into tiny pieces.

    Heat would be easier to apply, followed by a splash of cold water should do it.

    The last computer case I bought, there were three options. And I
    picked the option where there were no glass panels. That's because I knew
    you'd be around with your sonic thingy, to test it :-) The metal
    case is pretty robust.

    Paul
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Sat Jun 20 22:58:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 6/20/2026 9:24 PM, Paul wrote:

    I think people have reported that the glass breaks into tiny pieces.

    Heat would be easier to apply, followed by a splash of cold water should do it.

    The last computer case I bought, there were three options. And I
    picked the option where there were no glass panels. That's because I knew you'd be around with your sonic thingy, to test it :-) The metal
    case is pretty robust.

    It's home safety. You do NOT compromise.
    --

    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Sat Jun 20 23:01:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 6/20/2026 7:47 PM, Daniel70 wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handover_of_Hong_Kong

    I'm sure I was in Hong Kong in April, 1996, just before the Handover
    .... No, come to think of it IT WAS April, 1997 cause I had to get a new
    (10 year) Passport because the one I got in Sept 1987 (to attend my
    Sisters Wedding in Scotland) might not have been acceptable to HK Staff
    nine and a half years later to get into HK!! ;-P
    Someone stole my Hong Kong Certificate of Identity (kind of like a
    passport) and old version of HKID card before 1997. I dunno whether it's related to 1997, or maybe someone want to use them to forge identities
    for spy business or terriost attack.
    --

    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Sat Jun 20 16:27:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 2026/6/20 15:58:35, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 6/20/2026 9:24 PM, Paul wrote:

    I think people have reported that the glass breaks into tiny pieces.
    []
    It's home safety. You do NOT compromise.

    If it _does_ break into tiny pieces, that _will_ be safety: the sort of
    glass used in bus shelters and other similar places is safer, because
    the tiny pieces are (an approximation to) little cubes, with fairly
    blunt points, rather than long jagged pieces with sharp points/edges.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Sun Jun 21 00:07:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 6/20/2026 11:27 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2026/6/20 15:58:35, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    It's home safety. You do NOT compromise.

    If it _does_ break into tiny pieces, that _will_ be safety: the sort of
    glass used in bus shelters and other similar places is safer, because
    the tiny pieces are (an approximation to) little cubes, with fairly
    blunt points, rather than long jagged pieces with sharp points/edges.

    I don't care how things break into safe pieces. Nothing breaks in a safe
    home! :)

    Do you break your dishes and cups every day? Your job breaks things?
    --

    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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  • From Nuno Silva@nunojsilva@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Sun Jun 21 08:57:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    (only following the folklore group, if I were to suggest a move, it'd
    perhaps be to comp.misc?)

    On 2026-06-20, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    On 6/20/2026 11:27 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2026/6/20 15:58:35, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    It's home safety. You do NOT compromise.

    If it _does_ break into tiny pieces, that _will_ be safety: the sort of
    glass used in bus shelters and other similar places is safer, because
    the tiny pieces are (an approximation to) little cubes, with fairly
    blunt points, rather than long jagged pieces with sharp points/edges.

    I don't care how things break into safe pieces. Nothing breaks in a
    safe home! :)

    Do you break your dishes and cups every day? Your job breaks things?

    Now that's to home safety like "What could possibly go wrong?" is to engineering.
    --
    Nuno Silva
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Sun Jun 21 19:27:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 6/21/2026 3:57 PM, Nuno Silva wrote:

    Now that's to home safety like "What could possibly go wrong?" is to engineering.


    Engineering is a job. Keep it in the workplace!!

    A home should NOT be a laboratory nor a factory.
    --

    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Sun Jun 21 20:16:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 2026/6/21 12:27:17, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 6/21/2026 3:57 PM, Nuno Silva wrote:

    Now that's to home safety like "What could possibly go wrong?" is to
    engineering.


    Engineering is a job. Keep it in the workplace!!

    A home should NOT be a laboratory nor a factory.


    No, but that doesn't mean you should throw out all safety precautions.
    Just because I don't break something every day, doesn't mean I shouldn't
    take at least reasonable precautions against when an accident happens.
    What constitutes reasonable, of course, is open to each homeowner's
    opinion (though he may be liable ...); manufacturers of things that
    might be used in the home - including PC cases - err more on the
    cautious side than the average home-owner.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    rCa too popular actually to be any good.
    - Alison Graham in Radio Times 2-8 February 2013
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Sun Jun 21 19:28:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On Sun, 6/21/2026 7:27 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 6/21/2026 3:57 PM, Nuno Silva wrote:

    Now that's to home safety like "What could possibly go wrong?" is to
    engineering.


    Engineering is a job. Keep it in the workplace!!

    A home should NOT be a laboratory nor a factory.



    You've led a much-too-sheltered life, if you haven't
    been constantly making things.

    I once built a kite, that was 12 feet high and 9 feet wide.
    The tail on the kite was 50 feet long.

    It took a 30MPH breeze, to get that airborne. The first
    day, I couldn't get enough breeze to do it. But the
    next day, I didn't have to run with it. I figured this is
    great, I'll have no problem getting this up in the sky.
    After a harness adjustment, away we went.

    Well, what do you notice when a thing is that big ?
    It's dragging you along the ground. You can't hold it back.
    You're running out of field... You have to dump the kite.
    And just at that moment, the kite decides to become unstable
    and it's heading for the ground at warp velocity.
    I had to give a "giant pull" on the string at the
    last moment (I knew I was in trouble on the trajectory).
    The kite cleared a power line (11kV) by only about six inches :-)

    It was never my intention to be over the adjacent street
    with the stupid thing. It started out just fine
    over the field I was in.

    One of the spars broke on impact. The other spar is still
    in the basement back home, as a piece of scrap lumber.

    That's how we learn things. By building stuff.

    I can confidently tell you, not to do that :-)
    Scaling a kite is OK, just not that much.

    It was just my luck, a windy-enough day happens by,
    for the launch. This was spring kite-weather. If the wind
    had not been that high, I would have concluded it would
    never get off the ground. Well, it got off the ground :-)

    Paul
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Mon Jun 22 13:21:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 6/22/2026 7:28 AM, Paul wrote:

    I once built a kite, that was 12 feet high and 9 feet wide.
    The tail on the kite was 50 feet long.

    It took a 30MPH breeze, to get that airborne. The first
    .....
    Well, what do you notice when a thing is that big ?
    It's dragging you along the ground. You can't hold it back.

    Did you also discover electricity with that 12x9 kite? :)
    --

    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Mon Jun 22 02:52:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On Mon, 6/22/2026 1:21 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 6/22/2026 7:28 AM, Paul wrote:

    I once built a kite, that was 12 feet high and 9 feet wide.
    The tail on the kite was 50 feet long.

    It took a 30MPH breeze, to get that airborne. The first
    .....
    Well, what do you notice when a thing is that big ?
    It's dragging you along the ground. You can't hold it back.

    Did you also discover electricity with that 12x9 kite? :)


    You can check for activity, before you fly a kite.

    https://weather.gc.ca/?layers=lightning

    Paul


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  • From Carlos E. R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Mon Jun 22 10:44:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 2026-06-22 01:28, Paul wrote:
    On Sun, 6/21/2026 7:27 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 6/21/2026 3:57 PM, Nuno Silva wrote:

    Now that's to home safety like "What could possibly go wrong?" is to
    engineering.


    Engineering is a job. Keep it in the workplace!!

    A home should NOT be a laboratory nor a factory.



    You've led a much-too-sheltered life, if you haven't
    been constantly making things.

    I once built a kite, that was 12 feet high and 9 feet wide.
    The tail on the kite was 50 feet long.

    It took a 30MPH breeze, to get that airborne. The first
    day, I couldn't get enough breeze to do it. But the
    next day, I didn't have to run with it. I figured this is
    great, I'll have no problem getting this up in the sky.
    After a harness adjustment, away we went.

    Well, what do you notice when a thing is that big ?
    It's dragging you along the ground. You can't hold it back.
    You're running out of field... You have to dump the kite.
    And just at that moment, the kite decides to become unstable
    and it's heading for the ground at warp velocity.
    I had to give a "giant pull" on the string at the
    last moment (I knew I was in trouble on the trajectory).
    The kite cleared a power line (11kV) by only about six inches :-)

    I have the vague recollection of seeing somewhere large kites flown by
    teams of people.


    It was never my intention to be over the adjacent street
    with the stupid thing. It started out just fine
    over the field I was in.

    One of the spars broke on impact. The other spar is still
    in the basement back home, as a piece of scrap lumber.

    That's how we learn things. By building stuff.

    I can confidently tell you, not to do that :-)
    Scaling a kite is OK, just not that much.

    It was just my luck, a windy-enough day happens by,
    for the launch. This was spring kite-weather. If the wind
    had not been that high, I would have concluded it would
    never get off the ground. Well, it got off the ground :-)

    Paul
    --
    Cheers,
    Carlos E.R.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.folklore.computers on Mon Jun 22 19:03:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.folklore.computers

    On 6/22/2026 7:28 AM, Paul wrote:

    I once built a kite, that was 12 feet high and 9 feet wide.
    The tail on the kite was 50 feet long.

    It took a 30MPH breeze, to get that airborne. The first
    .....
    Well, what do you notice when a thing is that big ?
    It's dragging you along the ground. You can't hold it back.

    Did you also discover electricity with that 12x9 kite? :)
    --

    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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