Actually, who says CDE was ever rCLdeadrCY? GNU created their own version of the OSF Motif GUI toolkit, called rCLLesstifrCY, and it continues to be available in Linux distros to this day.
An emulation of an early-1990s Linux GUI in a browser <https://www.tomshardware.com/software/linux/nostalgic-developer-recreates-the-1994-linux-desktop-as-a-modern-web-app-for-your-browser- open-source-project-brings-old-school-cde-interface-back-from-the-dead- and-features-classic-90s-web-browser-text-editor-and-more>.
Actually, who says CDE was ever rCLdeadrCY? GNU created their own version of the OSF Motif GUI toolkit, called rCLLesstifrCY, and it continues to be available in Linux distros to this day.
On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 22:43:33 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
Actually, who says CDE was ever rCLdeadrCY? GNU created their own version of >> the OSF Motif GUI toolkit, called rCLLesstifrCY, and it continues to be
available in Linux distros to this day.
Lesstif died about 15 years ago and never made it to Motif 2.x that added >some widgets. OSF/Motif was open-sources with a LGPL license in 2012 that >made Lesstif redundant.
I don't know how many distros make it available, particularly the ones >moving to Wayland. If you're planning a little Motif programmimg, you'd >better have space on the bookshelf for Volume 1 - Volume 6B covering X, >Xlib, Xt, and Motif. You probably don't need Volume 0. Don't ask me how I >know :)
In article <n0hifrFfbu2U1@mid.individual.net>,
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 22:43:33 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
Actually, who says CDE was ever rCLdeadrCY? GNU created their own version of
the OSF Motif GUI toolkit, called rCLLesstifrCY, and it continues to be
available in Linux distros to this day.
Lesstif died about 15 years ago and never made it to Motif 2.x that added >>some widgets. OSF/Motif was open-sources with a LGPL license in 2012 that >>made Lesstif redundant.
I don't know how many distros make it available, particularly the ones >>moving to Wayland. If you're planning a little Motif programmimg, you'd >>better have space on the bookshelf for Volume 1 - Volume 6B covering X, >>Xlib, Xt, and Motif. You probably don't need Volume 0. Don't ask me how I >>know :)
Motif mwm continues to be a nice unobtrusive window manager to use in
VNC sessions. (Now if they would get xterm working again in FreeBSD
for that...)
ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
In article <n0hifrFfbu2U1@mid.individual.net>,
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 22:43:33 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
Actually, who says CDE was ever rCLdeadrCY? GNU created their own version of
the OSF Motif GUI toolkit, called rCLLesstifrCY, and it continues to be >>>> available in Linux distros to this day.
Lesstif died about 15 years ago and never made it to Motif 2.x that added >>>some widgets. OSF/Motif was open-sources with a LGPL license in 2012 that >>>made Lesstif redundant.
I don't know how many distros make it available, particularly the ones >>>moving to Wayland. If you're planning a little Motif programmimg, you'd >>>better have space on the bookshelf for Volume 1 - Volume 6B covering X, >>>Xlib, Xt, and Motif. You probably don't need Volume 0. Don't ask me how I >>>know :)
Motif mwm continues to be a nice unobtrusive window manager to use in
VNC sessions. (Now if they would get xterm working again in FreeBSD
for that...)
I'm still using Tom's window manager (twm).
In article <77ipR.55919$tm1.18792@fx14.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
In article <n0hifrFfbu2U1@mid.individual.net>,
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 22:43:33 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
Actually, who says CDE was ever rCLdeadrCY? GNU created their own version of
the OSF Motif GUI toolkit, called rCLLesstifrCY, and it continues to be >>>>> available in Linux distros to this day.
Lesstif died about 15 years ago and never made it to Motif 2.x that added >>>>some widgets. OSF/Motif was open-sources with a LGPL license in 2012 that >>>>made Lesstif redundant.
I don't know how many distros make it available, particularly the ones >>>>moving to Wayland. If you're planning a little Motif programmimg, you'd >>>>better have space on the bookshelf for Volume 1 - Volume 6B covering X, >>>>Xlib, Xt, and Motif. You probably don't need Volume 0. Don't ask me how I >>>>know :)
Motif mwm continues to be a nice unobtrusive window manager to use in
VNC sessions. (Now if they would get xterm working again in FreeBSD
for that...)
I'm still using Tom's window manager (twm).
That's the default in tightvnc, and the "new windows don't open fully until >you click" is annoying.
ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
In article <77ipR.55919$tm1.18792@fx14.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
In article <n0hifrFfbu2U1@mid.individual.net>,
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 22:43:33 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote: >>>>>
Actually, who says CDE was ever rCLdeadrCY? GNU created their own >version of
the OSF Motif GUI toolkit, called rCLLesstifrCY, and it continues to be >>>>>> available in Linux distros to this day.
Lesstif died about 15 years ago and never made it to Motif 2.x that added >>>>>some widgets. OSF/Motif was open-sources with a LGPL license in 2012 that >>>>>made Lesstif redundant.
I don't know how many distros make it available, particularly the ones >>>>>moving to Wayland. If you're planning a little Motif programmimg, you'd >>>>>better have space on the bookshelf for Volume 1 - Volume 6B covering X, >>>>>Xlib, Xt, and Motif. You probably don't need Volume 0. Don't ask me how I >>>>>know :)
Motif mwm continues to be a nice unobtrusive window manager to use in >>>>VNC sessions. (Now if they would get xterm working again in FreeBSD >>>>for that...)
I'm still using Tom's window manager (twm).
That's the default in tightvnc, and the "new windows don't open fully until >>you click" is annoying.
That's not a feature of TWM that I'm aware of, and I've been using it
since 1990. Windows open fully and immediately without any user >interaction. It may be the "RandomPlacement" keyword that enables that.
Motif mwm continues to be a nice unobtrusive window manager to use inemwm is a bit better if you want mwm though I think I had to do
VNC sessions. (Now if they would get xterm working again in FreeBSD
for that...)
(Now if they would get xterm working again in FreeBSD for that...)
On 2 Mar 2026 14:35:49 GMT, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
(Now if they would get xterm working again in FreeBSD for that...)
Does it work in any other BSD?
I'm still using Tom's window manager (twm).
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
I'm still using Tom's window manager (twm).
Me too. (Although my documentation says it's "Tab Window Manager": man
twm.)
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
I'm still using Tom's window manager (twm).
Me too. (Although my documentation says it's "Tab Window Manager": man
twm.)
Only real annoyance so far (after many years) is that some apps refuse
to function without a "tray" provided by the wm. Allegedly there's a >workaround but using wicd instead of networkmanager keeps me happy.
Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
I'm still using Tom's window manager (twm).
Me too. (Although my documentation says it's "Tab Window Manager": man >>twm.)
It was renamed between X11R3 and X11R4, if I recall correctly.
/***********************************************************************
*
* $XConsortium: twm.c,v 1.104 89/12/14 14:52:20 jim Exp $
*
* twm - "Tom's Window Manager"
*
* 27-Oct-87 Thomas E. LaStrange File created
*
***********************************************************************/
#ifndef lint
static char RCSinfo[] =
"$XConsortium: twm.c,v 1.104 89/12/14 14:52:20 jim Exp $";
#endif
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