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    From Lynn McGuire@lynnmcguire5@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Wed Mar 26 21:46:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 3/26/2025 6:25 PM, Jay Morris wrote:
    On 3/26/2025 5:05 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    https://grok.com/?q=did+robert+heinlein+invent+the+work+grok++%3F

    rCLdid robert heinlein invent the work grok ?rCY

    "Yes, Robert A. Heinlein did invent the word "grok." He introduced it
    in his 1961 science fiction novel Stranger in a Strange Land. In the
    book, "grok" is a Martian word that roughly translates to
    understanding something or someone deeply and intuitively, often
    implying a profound empathy or connection. Heinlein created the term,
    and it has since entered popular culture, even finding its way into
    some dictionaries due to its widespread use. Pretty cool legacy for a
    writer, right?"

    Way cool !

    Lynn


    This came up on a recent "Way With Words" episode. Women's husband and supervisor used grok and she had never asked them where they acquired
    it. She thought maybe they brought it back from service in Vietnam.
    Turns out both were science fiction fans.

    Now I gotta di di mau.

    Di di mau ???

    Lynn

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  • From Jay Morris@morrisj@epsilon3.me to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Thu Mar 27 08:49:48 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 3/26/2025 9:46 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 3/26/2025 6:25 PM, Jay Morris wrote:
    On 3/26/2025 5:05 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    https://grok.com/?q=did+robert+heinlein+invent+the+work+grok++%3F

    rCLdid robert heinlein invent the work grok ?rCY

    "Yes, Robert A. Heinlein did invent the word "grok." He introduced it
    in his 1961 science fiction novel Stranger in a Strange Land. In the
    book, "grok" is a Martian word that roughly translates to
    understanding something or someone deeply and intuitively, often
    implying a profound empathy or connection. Heinlein created the term,
    and it has since entered popular culture, even finding its way into
    some dictionaries due to its widespread use. Pretty cool legacy for a
    writer, right?"

    Way cool !

    Lynn


    This came up on a recent "Way With Words" episode. Women's husband and
    supervisor used grok and she had never asked them where they acquired
    it. She thought maybe they brought it back from service in Vietnam.
    Turns out both were science fiction fans.

    Now I gotta di di mau.

    Di di mau ???

    Lynn


    One of the many Vietnamese sayings/slang troops brought back. I had many
    NCOs and served under commanders who were Vietnam vets. I came in two
    years after the conflict ended so the slang was still very prevalent.
    Either go (or go away) very fast.
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  • From Lynn McGuire@lynnmcguire5@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Thu Mar 27 15:11:46 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 3/26/2025 5:05 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    https://grok.com/?q=did+robert+heinlein+invent+the+work+grok++%3F

    rCLdid robert heinlein invent the work grok ?rCY

    "Yes, Robert A. Heinlein did invent the word "grok." He introduced it in
    his 1961 science fiction novel Stranger in a Strange Land. In the book, "grok" is a Martian word that roughly translates to understanding
    something or someone deeply and intuitively, often implying a profound empathy or connection. Heinlein created the term, and it has since
    entered popular culture, even finding its way into some dictionaries due
    to its widespread use. Pretty cool legacy for a writer, right?"

    Way cool !

    Lynn

    I managed to crash grok with my next question which was not cool.

    Lynn

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@dtravel@sonic.net to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Fri Mar 28 17:48:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 3/27/2025 1:11 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 3/26/2025 5:05 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    https://grok.com/?q=did+robert+heinlein+invent+the+work+grok++%3F

    rCLdid robert heinlein invent the work grok ?rCY

    "Yes, Robert A. Heinlein did invent the word "grok." He introduced it
    in his 1961 science fiction novel Stranger in a Strange Land. In the
    book, "grok" is a Martian word that roughly translates to
    understanding something or someone deeply and intuitively, often
    implying a profound empathy or connection. Heinlein created the term,
    and it has since entered popular culture, even finding its way into
    some dictionaries due to its widespread use. Pretty cool legacy for a
    writer, right?"

    Way cool !

    Lynn

    I managed to crash grok with my next question which was not cool.

    Lynn

    Well, if I have to have a cyberoverlord I suspect I'd prefer Grok
    because Grok said Elon Musk is the #1 spreader of disinformation. :D

    (Grok is the AI developed by one of Elon Musk's companies.)
    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.
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  • From Cryptoengineer@petertrei@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Sat Mar 29 14:45:55 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 3/29/2025 11:53 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 17:48:45 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 3/27/2025 1:11 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 3/26/2025 5:05 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    https://grok.com/?q=did+robert+heinlein+invent+the+work+grok++%3F

    rCLdid robert heinlein invent the work grok ?rCY

    "Yes, Robert A. Heinlein did invent the word "grok." He introduced it
    in his 1961 science fiction novel Stranger in a Strange Land. In the
    book, "grok" is a Martian word that roughly translates to
    understanding something or someone deeply and intuitively, often
    implying a profound empathy or connection. Heinlein created the term,
    and it has since entered popular culture, even finding its way into
    some dictionaries due to its widespread use. Pretty cool legacy for a
    writer, right?"

    Way cool !

    Lynn

    I managed to crash grok with my next question which was not cool.

    Lynn

    Well, if I have to have a cyberoverlord I suspect I'd prefer Grok
    because Grok said Elon Musk is the #1 spreader of disinformation. :D

    (Grok is the AI developed by one of Elon Musk's companies.)

    It appears that even the WSJ is beginning to tire of the MAGA
    nonsense. In particular, of the "false news" attacks.

    And I've seen /critical/ articles from the Washington Examiner and
    other usually-adulatory sources. All on the Win10 News Thingy, of
    course.

    At least, however, appears to feel that listing Dem's who are
    associated with Signal in some way is somehow excusatory of the recent
    leak (which is a lesser problem than the idiotic cover-up that lasted,
    what, 24 hours before blowing up in the SecDef's face?).

    This is all very entertaining.

    There's so many levels of wrong and dumb here.

    Lets's stipulate thet playing with semantics over whether the info was 'classified', 'sensitive', 'war plans', 'battle plans', etc, is a red
    herring. This was very clearly info that if it reached the enemy before
    the strikes, would have jeopardized the mission and put American
    lives at risk: at very least the Houthis would have put their
    air defense on high alert.

    *They were using Signal, which wasn't authorized for classified data.
    That said, I think it probably *is* pretty damn secure. Known breaks
    of signal aren't the underlying cryptography or protocols, but
    user errors.

    *They were using Signal on their personal, unsecured phones, which may
    very well have been hacked by enemy forces, even if Signal is perfectly
    secure. They're given secure phones for a reason.

    *JD Vance was violating the Presidential Records Act, which requires
    that POTUS and VPOTUS communications be preserved. Signal deletes
    messages after 2 weeks, typically.

    *The sheer incompetence that put the Atlantic reporter in the chat.

    That reporter is the person who came out best in this: If he'd
    actually been the kind of person the GOP is characterizing him as,
    he'd have tweeted out the conversation in real time. But he did
    the responsible, sane thing, and waited until the strikes were over.
    and the info unactionable.

    Back when I was working, I held a clearance. If I'd treated
    classified info in this cavalier manner, I'd have gone to jail,
    and I'd have deserved it.

    pt





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  • From Lynn McGuire@lynnmcguire5@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Sat Mar 29 14:16:10 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 3/29/2025 10:53 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Mar 2025 17:48:45 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 3/27/2025 1:11 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 3/26/2025 5:05 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    https://grok.com/?q=did+robert+heinlein+invent+the+work+grok++%3F

    rCLdid robert heinlein invent the work grok ?rCY

    "Yes, Robert A. Heinlein did invent the word "grok." He introduced it
    in his 1961 science fiction novel Stranger in a Strange Land. In the
    book, "grok" is a Martian word that roughly translates to
    understanding something or someone deeply and intuitively, often
    implying a profound empathy or connection. Heinlein created the term,
    and it has since entered popular culture, even finding its way into
    some dictionaries due to its widespread use. Pretty cool legacy for a
    writer, right?"

    Way cool !

    Lynn

    I managed to crash grok with my next question which was not cool.

    Lynn

    Well, if I have to have a cyberoverlord I suspect I'd prefer Grok
    because Grok said Elon Musk is the #1 spreader of disinformation. :D

    (Grok is the AI developed by one of Elon Musk's companies.)

    It appears that even the WSJ is beginning to tire of the MAGA
    nonsense. In particular, of the "false news" attacks.

    And I've seen /critical/ articles from the Washington Examiner and
    other usually-adulatory sources. All on the Win10 News Thingy, of
    course.

    At least, however, appears to feel that listing Dem's who are
    associated with Signal in some way is somehow excusatory of the recent
    leak (which is a lesser problem than the idiotic cover-up that lasted,
    what, 24 hours before blowing up in the SecDef's face?).

    This is all very entertaining.

    Sigh. Is everything political with you ?

    Lynn

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  • From kludge@kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Sat Mar 29 15:44:36 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
    *They were using Signal, which wasn't authorized for classified data.
    That said, I think it probably *is* pretty damn secure. Known breaks
    of signal aren't the underlying cryptography or protocols, but
    user errors.

    Note that the systems that the government normally uses for secure remote conferencing are kind of clumsy, but make it impossible to invite random
    people from outside to conferences. They are designed to avoid stupid
    errors.

    Because they are clumsy and have kind of ugly UIs, people don't like
    using them. So they go around normal channels, just like Mrs. Clinton
    did by running a private email server to avoid using the awful government
    email systems. This is bad news, no matter who does it.

    *They were using Signal on their personal, unsecured phones, which may
    very well have been hacked by enemy forces, even if Signal is perfectly >secure. They're given secure phones for a reason.

    This is worse than just bad news, this is super bad news.

    *JD Vance was violating the Presidential Records Act, which requires
    that POTUS and VPOTUS communications be preserved. Signal deletes
    messages after 2 weeks, typically.

    This is also bad news from the standpoint of historians, but if you look
    you'll see that Trump crew has a history of avoiding leaving proper public records of any of their work.

    This is confusing to me since if they were actually proud of what they were doing, you would expect them to be all in favor of leaving records to posterity.

    That reporter is the person who came out best in this: If he'd
    actually been the kind of person the GOP is characterizing him as,
    he'd have tweeted out the conversation in real time. But he did
    the responsible, sane thing, and waited until the strikes were over.
    and the info unactionable.

    Yes, all of the reponses I have seen from the white house have been to
    blame the reporter, when in fact he reporter's access to the conversation
    seems one of the least alarming parts of it to me. The most alarming
    thing is that folks were using an unsecured applicaion from unsecured
    phones. Everything else seems secondary.

    Back when I was working, I held a clearance. If I'd treated
    classified info in this cavalier manner, I'd have gone to jail,
    and I'd have deserved it.

    Indeed.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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  • From kludge@kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Sat Mar 29 15:47:34 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    Sigh. Is everything political with you ?

    Sadly, we are now living in a country and an environment where everything
    has become political. Even ludicrous things like vaccination and
    childrens education and medical care have become political. It is sad
    and depressing but I don't see it stopping any time soon.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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  • From a425couple@a425couple@hotmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Sun Mar 30 14:19:46 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 3/27/25 06:49, Jay Morris wrote:
    On 3/26/2025 9:46 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 3/26/2025 6:25 PM, Jay Morris wrote:
    On 3/26/2025 5:05 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    https://grok.com/?q=did+robert+heinlein+invent+the+work+grok++%3F

    rCLdid robert heinlein invent the work grok ?rCY

    "Yes, Robert A. Heinlein did invent the word "grok." He introduced
    it in his 1961 science fiction novel Stranger in a Strange Land. In
    the book, "grok" is a Martian word that roughly translates to
    understanding something or someone deeply and intuitively, often
    implying a profound empathy or connection. Heinlein created the
    term, and it has since entered popular culture, even finding its way
    into some dictionaries due to its widespread use. Pretty cool legacy
    for a writer, right?"
    Way cool !
    Lynn

    This came up on a recent "Way With Words" episode. Women's husband
    and supervisor used grok and she had never asked them where they
    acquired it. She thought maybe they brought it back from service in
    Vietnam. Turns out both were science fiction fans.

    Now I gotta di di mau.

    Di di mau ???
    Lynn

    One of the many Vietnamese sayings/slang troops brought back. I had many NCOs and served under commanders who were Vietnam vets. I came in two
    years after the conflict ended so the slang was still very prevalent.
    Either go (or go away) very fast.

    I think Lynn was asking for the meaning.
    I guess he did not get the all inclusive Grand Tour
    of South East Asia that we were favored with.

    "Di di mau" means to hurry and leave.
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  • From Lynn McGuire@lynnmcguire5@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Sun Mar 30 17:57:37 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 3/30/2025 4:19 PM, a425couple wrote:
    On 3/27/25 06:49, Jay Morris wrote:
    On 3/26/2025 9:46 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 3/26/2025 6:25 PM, Jay Morris wrote:
    On 3/26/2025 5:05 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    https://grok.com/?q=did+robert+heinlein+invent+the+work+grok++%3F

    rCLdid robert heinlein invent the work grok ?rCY

    "Yes, Robert A. Heinlein did invent the word "grok." He introduced
    it in his 1961 science fiction novel Stranger in a Strange Land. In >>>>> the book, "grok" is a Martian word that roughly translates to
    understanding something or someone deeply and intuitively, often
    implying a profound empathy or connection. Heinlein created the
    term, and it has since entered popular culture, even finding its
    way into some dictionaries due to its widespread use. Pretty cool
    legacy for a writer, right?"
    Way cool !
    Lynn

    This came up on a recent "Way With Words" episode. Women's husband
    and supervisor used grok and she had never asked them where they
    acquired it. She thought maybe they brought it back from service in
    Vietnam. Turns out both were science fiction fans.

    Now I gotta di di mau.

    Di di mau ???
    Lynn

    One of the many Vietnamese sayings/slang troops brought back. I had
    many NCOs and served under commanders who were Vietnam vets. I came in
    two years after the conflict ended so the slang was still very
    prevalent. Either go (or go away) very fast.

    I think Lynn was asking for the meaning.
    I guess he did not get the all inclusive Grand Tour
    of South East Asia that we were favored with.

    "Di di mau" means to hurry and leave.

    I was 15 when we left Vietnam in 1975.

    Lynn

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  • From Lynn McGuire@lynnmcguire5@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Sun Mar 30 18:07:52 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 3/30/2025 10:48 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 14:16:10 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/29/2025 10:53 AM, Paul S Person wrote:

    <snippo, Musk's AI was referenced announcing that Musk was the #1Liar>
    At least, however, appears to feel that listing Dem's who are
    associated with Signal in some way is somehow excusatory of the recent
    leak (which is a lesser problem than the idiotic cover-up that lasted,
    what, 24 hours before blowing up in the SecDef's face?).

    This is all very entertaining.

    Sigh. Is everything political with you ?

    Well, you decided not to respond to my question (the first is you
    writing):

    I managed to crash grok with my next question which was not cool.

    Did any planets disappear?

    The point being that the original planet between Mars and Jupiter
    /did/ disappear when the Martians fully groked it.

    And /that's/ not political.

    That planet did not disappear. It was broken up. Now, there may be a significant number of pieces missing as a number of astrophysicists are
    noting that the mass of the asteroid belt seems to be less than an appropriately sized planet.

    Lynn

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  • From Lynn McGuire@lynnmcguire5@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Mon Mar 31 15:13:11 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 3/31/2025 10:50 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Mar 2025 18:07:52 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/30/2025 10:48 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 14:16:10 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/29/2025 10:53 AM, Paul S Person wrote:

    <snippo, Musk's AI was referenced announcing that Musk was the #1Liar> >>>>> At least, however, appears to feel that listing Dem's who are
    associated with Signal in some way is somehow excusatory of the recent >>>>> leak (which is a lesser problem than the idiotic cover-up that lasted, >>>>> what, 24 hours before blowing up in the SecDef's face?).

    This is all very entertaining.

    Sigh. Is everything political with you ?

    Well, you decided not to respond to my question (the first is you
    writing):

    I managed to crash grok with my next question which was not cool.

    Did any planets disappear?

    The point being that the original planet between Mars and Jupiter
    /did/ disappear when the Martians fully groked it.

    And /that's/ not political.

    That planet did not disappear. It was broken up. Now, there may be a
    significant number of pieces missing as a number of astrophysicists are
    noting that the mass of the asteroid belt seems to be less than an
    appropriately sized planet.

    The planet disappeared.

    The matter it was composed of did not.

    But, actually, saying it "was destroyed" would probably have been a
    better idea.

    I take it that crashing grok did not cause any similar ... incidents.

    No, grok's recovery mechanisms kicked in after 30 seconds and it
    presented a fresh screen to me.

    Lynn

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  • From Kevrob@kjrobinson@mail.com to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Tue Apr 1 10:15:57 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 3/29/2025 3:47 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    Sigh. Is everything political with you ?

    Sadly, we are now living in a country and an environment where everything
    has become political. Even ludicrous things like vaccination and
    childrens education and medical care have become political. It is sad
    and depressing but I don't see it stopping any time soon.
    --scott

    Children's education has been political ever since any unit of govt
    opened its first school. Medical care has been political for almost as
    long: consider the campaign by MDs to criminalize abortions to put the
    midwives out of business....

    https://www.history.com/articles/the-criminalization-of-abortion-began-as-a-business-tactic

    Then there was....


    Before the medical associations lobbied the various state legislatures
    to adopt regulations that made it difficult for them to operate with
    reasonable pricing, benevolent societies covered many people.
    Organizations of physicians opposed those societies, because members
    paying a flat fee to join, and the benevolents hiring doctors to treat
    their members actually controlled costs. After the MDs got their way in
    the states, some of the societies converted to the modern mutual
    insurance company, with perhaps a parallel social group. Or, like
    the Knights of Columbus in the US, the fraternal group owns its own
    insurance co.

    {Me, in this group, in 2020}

    Even states instituting medical licensure was a political act.
    --
    Kevin R


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  • From Kevrob@kjrobinson@mail.com to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Tue Apr 1 10:17:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 3/29/2025 3:47 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    Sigh. Is everything political with you ?

    Sadly, we are now living in a country and an environment where everything
    has become political. Even ludicrous things like vaccination and
    childrens education and medical care have become political. It is sad
    and depressing but I don't see it stopping any time soon.
    --scott

    Children's education has been political ever since any unit of govt
    opened its first school. Medical care has been political for almost as
    long: consider the campaign by MDs to criminalize abortions to put the
    midwives out of business....

    https://www.history.com/articles/the-criminalization-of-abortion-began-as-a-business-tactic

    Then there was....


    Before the medical associations lobbied the various state legislatures
    to adopt regulations that made it difficult for them to operate with
    reasonable pricing, benevolent societies covered many people.
    Organizations of physicians opposed those societies, because members
    paying a flat fee to join, and the benevolents hiring doctors to treat
    their members actually controlled costs. After the MDs got their way in
    the states, some of the societies converted to the modern mutual
    insurance company, with perhaps a parallel social group. Or, like
    the Knights of Columbus in the US, the fraternal group owns its own
    insurance co.

    {Me, in this group, in 2020}

    Even states instituting medical licensure was a political act.
    --
    Kevin R


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    This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software.
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