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Is there a list of Robert Heinlein SF writer fans anywhere ?

For instance, "The Tar-Ayim Krang" by Alan Dean Foster looks to be
inspired by "Citizen Of The Galaxy".

"Red Thunder" by John Varley looks to be inspired by "Time Enough For Love".

"Saturn's Children" by Charles Stross looks to be inspired by "Friday".
Stross told me that every SF writer has a Heinlein book and this one is his.

"Darkship Thieves" by Sarah Hoyt looks to be inspired by "The Moon Is A
Harsh Mistress".

"Footfall" by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle looks to be inspired by "Starship Troopers".

David Gerrold's "Trouble With Tribbles" Star Trek episode was definitely inspired by "Red Planet".

Do you disagree with me ? Got any more ?

Thanks,
Lynn

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On 21/2/25 17:26, Lynn McGuire wrote:

Is there a list of Robert Heinlein SF writer fans anywhere ?

[SNIP]

David Gerrold's "Trouble With Tribbles" Star Trek episode was definitely inspired by "Red Planet".

"The Rolling Stones", ITYM.

Cheers,
Gary B-)
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In article <vp96ag$39f7o$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Is there a list of Robert Heinlein SF writer fans anywhere ?

David Gerrold's "Trouble With Tribbles" Star Trek episode was definitely >inspired by "Red Planet".

Just as an aside, in his story of the making of "Tribbles",
Gerrold mentioned that he corresponded with Heinlein about the flatcats,
and Heinlein told him they were actually inspired by another story
"Pigs Is Pigs".

A year or two ago, I found out that Disney actually made an animated
adaption of *that* tale, which is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYXlF3sa9xs
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In article <m1rcrjF2opiU1@mid.individual.net>,
Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:

In article <vp96ag$39f7o$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Is there a list of Robert Heinlein SF writer fans anywhere ?

David Gerrold's "Trouble With Tribbles" Star Trek episode was definitely >>inspired by "Red Planet".

Just as an aside, in his story of the making of "Tribbles",
Gerrold mentioned that he corresponded with Heinlein about the flatcats,
and Heinlein told him they were actually inspired by another story
"Pigs Is Pigs".

A year or two ago, I found out that Disney actually made an animated
adaption of *that* tale, which is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYXlF3sa9xs

I should probably mention that the style is a bit experimental for Disney, which they did a bit in the 50s. Probably some UPA influence in there
too.
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Lynn McGuire wrote:

Is there a list of Robert Heinlein SF writer fans anywhere ?

For instance, "The Tar-Ayim Krang" by Alan Dean Foster looks to be
inspired by "Citizen Of The Galaxy".

"Red Thunder" by John Varley looks to be inspired by "Time Enough For Love".

"Saturn's Children" by Charles Stross looks to be inspired by "Friday". Stross told me that every SF writer has a Heinlein book and this one is his.

"Darkship Thieves" by Sarah Hoyt looks to be inspired by "The Moon Is A
Harsh Mistress".

"Footfall" by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle looks to be inspired by "Starship Troopers".

David Gerrold's "Trouble With Tribbles" Star Trek episode was definitely inspired by "Red Planet".

Do you disagree with me ? Got any more ?

My followup commences with a biographical trigger for the sake of my
readers who are unfamiliar with author Hans G Schantz. Authors John C
Wright and Theodore Beale currently populate Schantz's literary circle.

Schantz wrote a Young Adult trilogy called THE HIDDEN TRUTH. Afterward
he discovered the hidden truth about publishing's paltry pay for the preponderance of USAIDless penpushers - a literal lesson learned
by me personally decades ago. We're in good company as E A Poe also
lamented about this very topic.

For the time being, Schantz sacrifices his scribal soft spot to
financially provide for his young family. EMPIRE OF THE AIR by Tom
Lewis informs him. In my case it's THE BOY WHO INVENTED TELEVISION by
Paul Schatzkin.

We both seem to be on a coherent wavelength in regards to what we like
about Robert Heinlein:

Unfortunately, there's not much science fiction written
from the perspective of an entrepreneur or businessman.
Writing is a notoriously poorly paid line of work, and a
truly successful entrepreneur, inventor, or businessman is
unlikely to make as much from writing as from a successful
start-up. Further, the demands of entrepreneurship and
family responsibilities leave little time for writing.
Still, a few science fiction works I've come across do
touch on the inherent drama and excitement of business
and technical entrepreneurship.
Heinlein's Citizen of the Galaxy has its moments,
portraying the business dealings of interstellar Free
Traders and the inner machinations of a large corporation.

Heinlein reportedly intended the matriarchal Free Traders as an allegory
for Communism. Yet Free Trader culture is the most appealing part of the
story for me, and crony Capitalism the least.

Danke,

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On 2025-02-21, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

David Gerrold's "Trouble With Tribbles" Star Trek episode was definitely inspired by "Red Planet".

I seem to remember that Gerrold's _War Against the Chtorr_ was
influenced by Heinlein, but it's been too long for me to remember
any details. Did Jim McCarthy have a civics teacher like Rico's in
_Starship Troopers_?
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Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> writes:

On 2025-02-21, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

David Gerrold's "Trouble With Tribbles" Star Trek episode was definitely
inspired by "Red Planet".

Gerrold himself claims it was inspired by a pink fuzz on his
key ring and the australian experience with rabbit overpopulation.

And if there were RAH influences, they would have been from
_The Rolling Stones_ not _Red Planet_ with which there were
a number of similarities, enough to seek a waiver from the
RAH.
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In article <dY2uP.1040576$21T3.296083@fx18.iad>,
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:

Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> writes:

On 2025-02-21, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

David Gerrold's "Trouble With Tribbles" Star Trek episode was definitely >> inspired by "Red Planet".

Gerrold himself claims it was inspired by a pink fuzz on his
key ring and the australian experience with rabbit overpopulation.

And if there were RAH influences, they would have been from
_The Rolling Stones_ not _Red Planet_ with which there were
a number of similarities, enough to seek a waiver from the
RAH.

According to the version of this I heard, Heinlein pointed out that his inspiration was "Pigs is Pigs"
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigs_Is_Pigs), which I had read before
the initial showing of "Trouble with Tribbles".
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On 2/21/2025 10:02 AM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

On 2025-02-21, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

David Gerrold's "Trouble With Tribbles" Star Trek episode was definitely
inspired by "Red Planet".

I seem to remember that Gerrold's _War Against the Chtorr_ was
influenced by Heinlein, but it's been too long for me to remember
any details. Did Jim McCarthy have a civics teacher like Rico's in
_Starship Troopers_?

I suspect that Gerrold's "Bouncing Off The Planet" was also inspired by Heinlein. Not sure which book though.

Lynn

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On 2/21/2025 10:02 AM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

On 2025-02-21, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

David Gerrold's "Trouble With Tribbles" Star Trek episode was definitely
inspired by "Red Planet".

I seem to remember that Gerrold's _War Against the Chtorr_ was
influenced by Heinlein, but it's been too long for me to remember
any details. Did Jim McCarthy have a civics teacher like Rico's in
_Starship Troopers_?

"The War Against The Chtorr" has quotations in it by a "Soloman Short"
just like "Time Enough For Love" has quotations by "Lazarus Long".

Lynn

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On 2/21/2025 1:26 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

Is there a list of Robert Heinlein SF writer fans anywhere ?

[list snipped]

Do you disagree with me ?-a Got any more ?

E. William Brown's _Perilous Waif_ (2017) (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2453113) read like a cross
between a Heinlein juvenile and _Friday_. It built on the more enjoyable
parts of his portal fantasy series "Daniel Black" and his Naruto fan
fiction "Time Braid" (https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5193644/1/Time-Braid)
while omitting most of the less enjoyable parts.

For reference purposes, the parts that I found enjoyable in Brown's
works were:

1. World-building and the magic system in "Daniel Black"
2. "Progression fantasy" elements in "Time Braid"

The less enjoyable parts were:

1. "Harem" elements, including sex scenes
2. Mind control and torture elements in "Time Braid"

I haven't read his "gamelit" novel _The Jungles of Alabama_ (2023) (also available as a Royal Road serial at https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/62643/the-jungles-of-alabama) yet.

Finally, as I wrote a couple of months ago:

The _Worm_/_Perilous Waif_ crossover "The Visitor" which he posted
online in 2021 (https://forum.questionablequesting.com/threads/shapers-plot-bunny-farm.11318/page-8#post-4067199
, requires a free account to access) was also fun (beware of spoilers
for both universes.) His standalone _Worm_ fanfic _Moon Shot_ (https://forum.questionablequesting.com/threads/moon-shot.14085/) was
decent as well.
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On 2/21/2025 12:26 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

Is there a list of Robert Heinlein SF writer fans anywhere ?

For instance, "The Tar-Ayim Krang" by Alan Dean Foster looks to be
inspired by "Citizen Of The Galaxy".

"Red Thunder" by John Varley looks to be inspired by "Time Enough For
Love".

"Saturn's Children" by Charles Stross looks to be inspired by "Friday". Stross told me that every SF writer has a Heinlein book and this one is
his.

"Darkship Thieves" by Sarah Hoyt looks to be inspired by "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress".

"Footfall" by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle looks to be inspired by "Starship Troopers".

David Gerrold's "Trouble With Tribbles" Star Trek episode was definitely inspired by "Red Planet".

Do you disagree with me ?-a Got any more ?

Thanks,
Lynn

"Starswarm" by Jerry Pournelle looks to be inspired by Heinlein's "Red Planet", "Farmer In The Sky", or "Space Cadet".
https://www.amazon.com/Starswarm-Jerry-Pournelle/dp/0812538935/

Lynn

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In article <vq0dss$fp2n$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2/21/2025 12:26 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

Is there a list of Robert Heinlein SF writer fans anywhere ?

For instance, "The Tar-Ayim Krang" by Alan Dean Foster looks to be inspired by "Citizen Of The Galaxy".

"Red Thunder" by John Varley looks to be inspired by "Time Enough For Love".

"Saturn's Children" by Charles Stross looks to be inspired by "Friday". Stross told me that every SF writer has a Heinlein book and this one is his.

"Darkship Thieves" by Sarah Hoyt looks to be inspired by "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress".

"Footfall" by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle looks to be inspired by "Starship Troopers".

David Gerrold's "Trouble With Tribbles" Star Trek episode was definitely inspired by "Red Planet".

Do you disagree with me ?-a Got any more ?

Thanks,
Lynn

"Starswarm" by Jerry Pournelle looks to be inspired by Heinlein's "Red Planet", "Farmer In The Sky", or "Space Cadet".
https://www.amazon.com/Starswarm-Jerry-Pournelle/dp/0812538935/

It was part of a series of books published by Tor that were patterned
after Heinlein's juveniles, see (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jupiter_novels). OTOH,
Sheffield's _The Billion Dollar Boy_ bears significant similarities to Kiplings's _Captains Courageous_.
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On 3/1/2025 11:46 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:

In article <vq0dss$fp2n$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2/21/2025 12:26 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

Is there a list of Robert Heinlein SF writer fans anywhere ?

For instance, "The Tar-Ayim Krang" by Alan Dean Foster looks to be
inspired by "Citizen Of The Galaxy".

"Red Thunder" by John Varley looks to be inspired by "Time Enough For
Love".

"Saturn's Children" by Charles Stross looks to be inspired by "Friday".
Stross told me that every SF writer has a Heinlein book and this one is
his.

"Darkship Thieves" by Sarah Hoyt looks to be inspired by "The Moon Is A
Harsh Mistress".

"Footfall" by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle looks to be inspired by
"Starship Troopers".

David Gerrold's "Trouble With Tribbles" Star Trek episode was definitely >>> inspired by "Red Planet".

Do you disagree with me ?-a Got any more ?

Thanks,
Lynn

"Starswarm" by Jerry Pournelle looks to be inspired by Heinlein's "Red
Planet", "Farmer In The Sky", or "Space Cadet".
https://www.amazon.com/Starswarm-Jerry-Pournelle/dp/0812538935/

It was part of a series of books published by Tor that were patterned
after Heinlein's juveniles, see (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jupiter_novels). OTOH,
Sheffield's _The Billion Dollar Boy_ bears significant similarities to Kiplings's _Captains Courageous_.

I need to reread my Sheffields. I just found them in the garage and
moved them inside along with another bookcase in our bedroom. She was
not pleased as there are now five bookshelves in our bedroom, all for me
and none for her.

I remember when JEP released "Starswarm". He was very pleased with his
work. I or another person asked him if Heinlein would have been happy
and he thought so. I just cannot remember which book he said that he patterned it after.

Lynn

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