• Relevant - Plate Tectonics Might Only Occur on 0.003% of Planets. That Makes Earth Very Special Indeed.

    From a425couple@a425couple@hotmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Thu Jul 4 09:54:50 2024
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    Big DEAL !!
    So many times greats like Heinlein and Silverberg have written
    about us going to exoplanets, and it being like Earth.
    Sorry,,,, NO!

    from https://www.universetoday.com/167659/plate-tectonics-might-only-occur-on-0-003-of-planets-that-makes-earth-very-special-indeed/

    Plate tectonics: Image Credit: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
    Scientific Visualization Studio
    POSTED ONJULY 2, 2024 BY SCOTT ALAN JOHNSTON

    Plate Tectonics Might Only Occur on 0.003% of Planets. That Makes Earth
    Very Special Indeed.
    Plate tectonics, oceans, and continents might just be the secret
    ingredients for complex life on Earth. And if these geological features
    are rare elsewhere in the universe, then perhaps that explains why we havenrCOt yet discovered intelligent alien life. New research from
    American and Swiss Earth scientists suggests that these ingredients
    represent missing variables in the famous Drake equation, devised more
    than half a century ago to estimate the chances of finding advanced civilizations in our galaxy. Including these new variables could
    completely rewrite the probability of detecting intelligent life in the
    Milky Way.

    Go to the citation for the rest ----.
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  • From Dimensional Traveler@dtravel@sonic.net to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Thu Jul 4 12:33:02 2024
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    On 7/4/2024 9:54 AM, a425couple wrote:
    Big DEAL !!
    So many times greats like Heinlein and Silverberg have written
    about us going to exoplanets, and it being like Earth.
    Sorry,,,, NO!

    from https://www.universetoday.com/167659/plate-tectonics-might-only-occur-on-0-003-of-planets-that-makes-earth-very-special-indeed/

    Plate tectonics: Image Credit: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
    Scientific Visualization Studio
    POSTED ONJULY 2, 2024 BY SCOTT ALAN JOHNSTON

    Plate Tectonics Might Only Occur on 0.003% of Planets. That Makes Earth
    Very Special Indeed.
    Plate tectonics, oceans, and continents might just be the secret
    ingredients for complex life on Earth. And if these geological features
    are rare elsewhere in the universe, then perhaps that explains why we havenrCOt yet discovered intelligent alien life. New research from
    American and Swiss Earth scientists suggests that these ingredients represent missing variables in the famous Drake equation, devised more
    than half a century ago to estimate the chances of finding advanced civilizations in our galaxy. Including these new variables could
    completely rewrite the probability of detecting intelligent life in the Milky Way.

    Go to the citation for the rest ----.

    I went to the citation but couldn't find if that 0.003% is of ALL
    exo-planets or just the Terrestrial/Super-Terrestrial types.
    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From a425couple@a425couple@hotmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Thu Jul 4 16:49:05 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 7/4/24 12:33, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 9:54 AM, a425couple wrote:
    Big DEAL !!
    So many times greats like Heinlein and Silverberg have written
    about us going to exoplanets, and it being like Earth.
    Sorry,,,, NO!

    from
    https://www.universetoday.com/167659/plate-tectonics-might-only-occur-on-0-003-of-planets-that-makes-earth-very-special-indeed/

    Plate tectonics: Image Credit: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
    Scientific Visualization Studio
    POSTED ONJULY 2, 2024 BY SCOTT ALAN JOHNSTON

    -----------snip-------

    Go to the citation for the rest ----.

    I went to the citation but couldn't find if that 0.003% is of ALL exo-planets or just the Terrestrial/Super-Terrestrial types.


    "the rest" of the citation, did not give a lot of specific information. Hopefully we will see a lot more on this research in the future.


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  • From Dimensional Traveler@dtravel@sonic.net to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Thu Jul 4 19:25:30 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 7/4/2024 4:49 PM, a425couple wrote:
    On 7/4/24 12:33, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 9:54 AM, a425couple wrote:
    Big DEAL !!
    So many times greats like Heinlein and Silverberg have written
    about us going to exoplanets, and it being like Earth.
    Sorry,,,, NO!

    from
    https://www.universetoday.com/167659/plate-tectonics-might-only-occur-on-0-003-of-planets-that-makes-earth-very-special-indeed/

    Plate tectonics: Image Credit: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
    Scientific Visualization Studio
    POSTED ONJULY 2, 2024 BY SCOTT ALAN JOHNSTON

    -----------snip-------

    Go to the citation for the rest ----.

    I went to the citation but couldn't find if that 0.003% is of ALL
    exo-planets or just the Terrestrial/Super-Terrestrial types.


    "the rest" of the citation, did not give a lot of specific information. Hopefully we will see a lot more on this research in the future.

    I also think there's a flaw in their basic assumptions. If you have a
    rocky planet with a liquid core/mantle, you are going to have plate
    tectonics.
    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Paul S Person@psperson@old.netcom.invalid to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Fri Jul 5 08:18:09 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 09:54:50 -0700, a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    Big DEAL !!
    So many times greats like Heinlein and Silverberg have written
    about us going to exoplanets, and it being like Earth.
    Sorry,,,, NO!

    from >https://www.universetoday.com/167659/plate-tectonics-might-only-occur-on-0-003-of-planets-that-makes-earth-very-special-indeed/

    Plate tectonics: Image Credit: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
    Scientific Visualization Studio
    POSTED ONJULY 2, 2024 BY SCOTT ALAN JOHNSTON

    Plate Tectonics Might Only Occur on 0.003% of Planets. That Makes Earth
    Very Special Indeed.
    Plate tectonics, oceans, and continents might just be the secret
    ingredients for complex life on Earth. And if these geological features
    are rare elsewhere in the universe, then perhaps that explains why we >havenAt yet discovered intelligent alien life. New research from
    American and Swiss Earth scientists suggests that these ingredients >represent missing variables in the famous Drake equation, devised more
    than half a century ago to estimate the chances of finding advanced >civilizations in our galaxy. Including these new variables could
    completely rewrite the probability of detecting intelligent life in the >Milky Way.

    Go to the citation for the rest ----.
    Note the sequence here:
    1. Certain people believe -- firmly, passionately, and religiously
    believe -- that We Are Not Alone. This /must/ be true, they say, it
    just /must/ be true.
    2. The problem is, no actual evidence of this has been found.
    3. Indeed, no actual evidence is likely to be found until we /go out
    into the universe and see/.
    4. Since the radio frequencies /we have decided/ are the ones that
    would be used to communicate with us are silent, they are desperate
    for excuses. They, of course, call them "explanations".
    5. Lack of Plate Tectonics is simply the latest excuse.
    What I /wouldn't/ find if I bothered to read the article:
    a detailed discussion of, say, 500 planets (or even of 1 extrasolar
    planet) which we have travelled to and investigated thoroughly and how
    many of them had plate tectonics, a large natural satellite, an
    absence of Dark Matter, archaeological evidence of past (and now gone)
    Alien Civilizations, or any of the other excuses that have been
    offered.
    I wouldn't find that because the only planets we have visited are in
    our own Solar System -- and, even so, we haven't actually explored
    them enough to know for certain that a past civilization did not
    exist. All we can say is that /by the criteria we decided on
    ourselves, which may or may not be adequate/ there isn't any life on
    any of them. At least, not any that we have found to date.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
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  • From Cryptoengineer@petertrei@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Fri Jul 5 14:00:50 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 7/4/2024 10:25 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 4:49 PM, a425couple wrote:
    On 7/4/24 12:33, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 9:54 AM, a425couple wrote:
    Big DEAL !!
    So many times greats like Heinlein and Silverberg have written
    about us going to exoplanets, and it being like Earth.
    Sorry,,,, NO!

    from
    https://www.universetoday.com/167659/plate-tectonics-might-only-occur-on-0-003-of-planets-that-makes-earth-very-special-indeed/

    Plate tectonics: Image Credit: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
    Scientific Visualization Studio
    POSTED ONJULY 2, 2024 BY SCOTT ALAN JOHNSTON

    -----------snip-------

    Go to the citation for the rest ----.

    I went to the citation but couldn't find if that 0.003% is of ALL
    exo-planets or just the Terrestrial/Super-Terrestrial types.


    "the rest" of the citation, did not give a lot of specific information.
    Hopefully we will see a lot more on this research in the future.

    I also think there's a flaw in their basic assumptions.-a If you have a rocky planet with a liquid core/mantle, you are going to have plate tectonics.

    Venus, Mars, and Mercury suggest otherwise.

    My impression is that the existance of a (relatively shallow)
    water ocean is critical. There's also a suggestion that a major
    meteor impact may have been involved in starting the process.

    pt



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  • From a425couple@a425couple@hotmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein,alt.astronomy on Fri Jul 5 13:40:20 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 7/4/24 19:25, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 4:49 PM, a425couple wrote:
    On 7/4/24 12:33, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 9:54 AM, a425couple wrote:
    Big DEAL !!
    So many times greats like Heinlein and Silverberg have written
    about us going to exoplanets, and it being like Earth.
    Sorry,,,, NO!

    from
    https://www.universetoday.com/167659/plate-tectonics-might-only-occur-on-0-003-of-planets-that-makes-earth-very-special-indeed/

    Plate tectonics: Image Credit: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
    Scientific Visualization Studio
    POSTED ONJULY 2, 2024 BY SCOTT ALAN JOHNSTON

    -----------snip-------

    Go to the citation for the rest ----.

    I went to the citation but couldn't find if that 0.003% is of ALL
    exo-planets or just the Terrestrial/Super-Terrestrial types.


    "the rest" of the citation, did not give a lot of specific information.
    Hopefully we will see a lot more on this research in the future.

    I also think there's a flaw in their basic assumptions.-a If you have a rocky planet with a liquid core/mantle, you are going to have plate tectonics.

    resending----

    Ahhh,,,, ??
    I do not know about that. Needs to get more detailed.
    Take Mars, the closest and most explored example.
    It has pretty much lost internal movement,
    thus magnetic waves that protect it from
    solar waves, and the solar wind has wiped off
    most atmosphere, and water.

    Question Does Mars have plate tectonics?

    Mars, it seems, once had active tectonic plates spreading away from
    long, narrow volcanic rifts, according to two reports in tomorrow's
    Science (pp.
    https://www.science.org rC| content rC| article rC| past-tecton...
    Past Tectonics on Mars? | Science | AAAS

    Why doesn't Mars have plate tectonics?
    Shaping the Planets: Tectonism
    Like Earth, Venus and Mars are believed to have hot interiors. This
    means that they are continuing to lose heat. While their surfaces show evidence of recent deformation rCo tectonism rCo neither planet has plate tectonic activity because neither planet has a surface divided into plates.

    Shaping the Planets: Tectonism - Lunar and Planetary Institute
    Lunar and Planetary Institute

    What planets have plate tectonics?

    Why Earth is the only planet with plate tectonics - Big Think
    Here in our Solar System, of all the known planets, only Earth rCo not Mercury, not Venus, and not Mars rCo is known to possess plate
    tectonics.Mar 27, 2023

    How Mars Lost Its Magnetic FieldrCoand Then Its Oceans - JSTOR Daily
    JSTOR Daily
    https://daily.jstor.org rC| how-mars-lost-its-magnetic-field-...
    Search for: Why did Mars lose its magnetic field?

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  • From a425couple@a425couple@hotmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Fri Jul 5 16:34:27 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 7/4/24 09:54, a425couple wrote:
    Big DEAL !!
    So many times greats like Heinlein and Silverberg have written
    about us going to exoplanets, and it being like Earth.
    Sorry,,,, NO!

    from https://www.universetoday.com/167659/plate-tectonics-might-only-occur-on-0-003-of-planets-that-makes-earth-very-special-indeed/

    Or, in summary

    rCLTwo possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe
    or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.rCY
    rCo Arthur C. Clarke

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@dtravel@sonic.net to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Fri Jul 5 17:57:31 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 7/5/2024 11:00 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 10:25 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 4:49 PM, a425couple wrote:
    On 7/4/24 12:33, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 9:54 AM, a425couple wrote:
    Big DEAL !!
    So many times greats like Heinlein and Silverberg have written
    about us going to exoplanets, and it being like Earth.
    Sorry,,,, NO!

    from
    https://www.universetoday.com/167659/plate-tectonics-might-only-occur-on-0-003-of-planets-that-makes-earth-very-special-indeed/

    Plate tectonics: Image Credit: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
    Scientific Visualization Studio
    POSTED ONJULY 2, 2024 BY SCOTT ALAN JOHNSTON

    -----------snip-------

    Go to the citation for the rest ----.

    I went to the citation but couldn't find if that 0.003% is of ALL
    exo-planets or just the Terrestrial/Super-Terrestrial types.


    "the rest" of the citation, did not give a lot of specific information.
    Hopefully we will see a lot more on this research in the future.

    I also think there's a flaw in their basic assumptions.-a If you have a
    rocky planet with a liquid core/mantle, you are going to have plate
    tectonics.

    Venus, Mars, and Mercury suggest otherwise.

    I believe Mars and Mercury's cores have solidified. Venus has ... other issues but does have active vulcanism. And considering how many it has
    may make up for the locked crustal plates.

    My impression is that the existance of a (relatively shallow)
    water ocean is critical. There's also a suggestion that a major
    meteor impact may have been involved in starting the process.

    Theia was a bit more than a meteor and yes, liquefying the entire planet
    a second time might have an effect.
    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Michael F. Stemper@michael.stemper@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Sat Jul 6 08:06:01 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 05/07/2024 19.57, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/5/2024 11:00 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 10:25 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 4:49 PM, a425couple wrote:
    On 7/4/24 12:33, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 9:54 AM, a425couple wrote:
    Big DEAL !!
    So many times greats like Heinlein and Silverberg have written
    about us going to exoplanets, and it being like Earth.
    Sorry,,,, NO!

    from
    https://www.universetoday.com/167659/plate-tectonics-might-only-occur-on-0-003-of-planets-that-makes-earth-very-special-indeed/

    Plate tectonics: Image Credit: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Scientific Visualization Studio
    POSTED ONJULY 2, 2024 BY SCOTT ALAN JOHNSTON

    -----------snip-------

    Go to the citation for the rest ----.

    I went to the citation but couldn't find if that 0.003% is of ALL exo-planets or just the Terrestrial/Super-Terrestrial types.


    "the rest" of the citation, did not give a lot of specific information. >>>> Hopefully we will see a lot more on this research in the future.

    I also think there's a flaw in their basic assumptions.-a If you have a rocky planet with a liquid core/mantle, you are going to have plate tectonics.

    Venus, Mars, and Mercury suggest otherwise.

    I believe Mars and Mercury's cores have solidified.

    I thought that, as well. It appears that, for Mars at least, that's an
    obsolete idea: <https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/mars-has-a-surprise-layer-of-molten-rock-inside/>
    --
    Michael F. Stemper
    If it isn't running programs and it isn't fusing atoms, it's just bending space.

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  • From Cryptoengineer@petertrei@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Sat Jul 6 12:36:52 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 7/4/2024 10:25 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 4:49 PM, a425couple wrote:
    On 7/4/24 12:33, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 9:54 AM, a425couple wrote:
    Big DEAL !!
    So many times greats like Heinlein and Silverberg have written
    about us going to exoplanets, and it being like Earth.
    Sorry,,,, NO!

    from
    https://www.universetoday.com/167659/plate-tectonics-might-only-occur-on-0-003-of-planets-that-makes-earth-very-special-indeed/

    Plate tectonics: Image Credit: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
    Scientific Visualization Studio
    POSTED ONJULY 2, 2024 BY SCOTT ALAN JOHNSTON

    -----------snip-------

    Go to the citation for the rest ----.

    I went to the citation but couldn't find if that 0.003% is of ALL
    exo-planets or just the Terrestrial/Super-Terrestrial types.


    "the rest" of the citation, did not give a lot of specific information.
    Hopefully we will see a lot more on this research in the future.

    I also think there's a flaw in their basic assumptions.-a If you have a rocky planet with a liquid core/mantle, you are going to have plate tectonics.

    Neither Mercury, Venus, nor Mars have plate tectonics. That's 3/4
    of the rocky planets with a liquid core/mantel, that we know about.

    pt


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  • From Cryptoengineer@petertrei@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Sat Jul 6 13:37:04 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 7/6/2024 12:36 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 10:25 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 4:49 PM, a425couple wrote:
    On 7/4/24 12:33, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 9:54 AM, a425couple wrote:
    Big DEAL !!
    So many times greats like Heinlein and Silverberg have written
    about us going to exoplanets, and it being like Earth.
    Sorry,,,, NO!

    from
    https://www.universetoday.com/167659/plate-tectonics-might-only-occur-on-0-003-of-planets-that-makes-earth-very-special-indeed/

    Plate tectonics: Image Credit: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
    Scientific Visualization Studio
    POSTED ONJULY 2, 2024 BY SCOTT ALAN JOHNSTON

    -----------snip-------

    Go to the citation for the rest ----.

    I went to the citation but couldn't find if that 0.003% is of ALL
    exo-planets or just the Terrestrial/Super-Terrestrial types.


    "the rest" of the citation, did not give a lot of specific information.
    Hopefully we will see a lot more on this research in the future.

    I also think there's a flaw in their basic assumptions.-a If you have a
    rocky planet with a liquid core/mantle, you are going to have plate
    tectonics.

    Neither Mercury, Venus, nor Mars have plate tectonics. That's 3/4
    of the rocky planets with a liquid core/mantel, that we know about.


    Bizzare. Thunderbird (or Eternal-September) is messing up. I didn't mean
    to duplicate the post, but I put up the same info yesterday, but didn't
    see it the first time I opened TB today, so reposted.

    pt

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  • From Cryptoengineer@petertrei@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Sat Jul 6 13:40:39 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 7/5/2024 8:57 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/5/2024 11:00 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 10:25 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 4:49 PM, a425couple wrote:
    On 7/4/24 12:33, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 9:54 AM, a425couple wrote:
    Big DEAL !!
    So many times greats like Heinlein and Silverberg have written
    about us going to exoplanets, and it being like Earth.
    Sorry,,,, NO!

    from
    https://www.universetoday.com/167659/plate-tectonics-might-only-occur-on-0-003-of-planets-that-makes-earth-very-special-indeed/

    Plate tectonics: Image Credit: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
    Scientific Visualization Studio
    POSTED ONJULY 2, 2024 BY SCOTT ALAN JOHNSTON

    -----------snip-------

    Go to the citation for the rest ----.

    I went to the citation but couldn't find if that 0.003% is of ALL
    exo-planets or just the Terrestrial/Super-Terrestrial types.


    "the rest" of the citation, did not give a lot of specific information. >>>> Hopefully we will see a lot more on this research in the future.

    I also think there's a flaw in their basic assumptions.-a If you have
    a rocky planet with a liquid core/mantle, you are going to have plate
    tectonics.

    Venus, Mars, and Mercury suggest otherwise.

    I believe Mars and Mercury's cores have solidified.-a Venus has ... other issues but does have active vulcanism.-a And considering how many it has
    may make up for the locked crustal plates.

    If you trust wikipedia, all 3 that liquid cores. I was a little
    suprised myself.


    My impression is that the existance of a (relatively shallow)
    water ocean is critical. There's also a suggestion that a major
    meteor impact may have been involved in starting the process.

    Theia was a bit more than a meteor and yes, liquefying the entire planet
    a second time might have an effect.

    Wasn't thinking of Theia, but something much later, which still make a
    big enough hole in the early crust that subduction got kickstarted, then spread.

    pt

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  • From Paul S Person@psperson@old.netcom.invalid to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein on Sun Jul 7 08:48:12 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.fan.heinlein

    On Sat, 6 Jul 2024 13:37:04 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 7/6/2024 12:36 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 10:25 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 4:49 PM, a425couple wrote:
    On 7/4/24 12:33, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 9:54 AM, a425couple wrote:
    Big DEAL !!
    So many times greats like Heinlein and Silverberg have written
    about us going to exoplanets, and it being like Earth.
    Sorry,,,, NO!

    from
    https://www.universetoday.com/167659/plate-tectonics-might-only-occur-on-0-003-of-planets-that-makes-earth-very-special-indeed/

    Plate tectonics: Image Credit: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
    Scientific Visualization Studio
    POSTED ONJULY 2, 2024 BY SCOTT ALAN JOHNSTON

    -----------snip-------

    Go to the citation for the rest ----.

    I went to the citation but couldn't find if that 0.003% is of ALL
    exo-planets or just the Terrestrial/Super-Terrestrial types.


    "the rest" of the citation, did not give a lot of specific information. >>>> Hopefully we will see a lot more on this research in the future.

    I also think there's a flaw in their basic assumptions.a If you have a
    rocky planet with a liquid core/mantle, you are going to have plate
    tectonics.

    Neither Mercury, Venus, nor Mars have plate tectonics. That's 3/4
    of the rocky planets with a liquid core/mantel, that we know about.


    Bizzare. Thunderbird (or Eternal-September) is messing up. I didn't mean
    to duplicate the post, but I put up the same info yesterday, but didn't
    see it the first time I opened TB today, so reposted.
    I don't seem to have that problem with Agent 8 and Eternal September,
    so perhaps Thunderbird needs investigation.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
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  • From Kualinar@kuakinar@videotron.ca to rec.arts.sf.written,alt.fan.heinlein,alt.astronomy on Mon Jul 8 12:32:01 2024
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    Le 2024-07-05 |a 16:40, a425couple a |-crit-a:
    On 7/4/24 19:25, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 4:49 PM, a425couple wrote:
    On 7/4/24 12:33, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/4/2024 9:54 AM, a425couple wrote:
    Big DEAL !!
    So many times greats like Heinlein and Silverberg have written
    about us going to exoplanets, and it being like Earth.
    Sorry,,,, NO!

    from
    https://www.universetoday.com/167659/plate-tectonics-might-only-occur-on-0-003-of-planets-that-makes-earth-very-special-indeed/

    Plate tectonics: Image Credit: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
    Scientific Visualization Studio
    POSTED ONJULY 2, 2024 BY SCOTT ALAN JOHNSTON

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    Go to the citation for the rest ----.

    I went to the citation but couldn't find if that 0.003% is of ALL
    exo-planets or just the Terrestrial/Super-Terrestrial types.


    "the rest" of the citation, did not give a lot of specific information.
    Hopefully we will see a lot more on this research in the future.

    I also think there's a flaw in their basic assumptions.-a If you have a
    rocky planet with a liquid core/mantle, you are going to have plate
    tectonics.

    resending----

    Ahhh,,,, ??
    I do not know about that.-a Needs to get more detailed.
    Take Mars, the closest and most explored example.
    It has pretty much lost internal movement,
    thus magnetic waves that protect it from
    solar waves, and the solar wind has wiped off
    most atmosphere, and water.

    Question Does Mars have plate tectonics?

    Mars, it seems, once had active tectonic plates spreading away from
    long, narrow volcanic rifts, according to two reports in tomorrow's
    Science (pp.
    https://www.science.org rC| content rC| article rC| past-tecton...
    Past Tectonics on Mars? | Science | AAAS

    Why doesn't Mars have plate tectonics?
    Shaping the Planets: Tectonism
    Like Earth, Venus and Mars are believed to have hot interiors. This
    means that they are continuing to lose heat. While their surfaces show evidence of recent deformation rCo tectonism rCo neither planet has plate tectonic activity because neither planet has a surface divided into plates.

    Shaping the Planets: Tectonism - Lunar and Planetary Institute
    Lunar and Planetary Institute

    What planets have plate tectonics?

    Why Earth is the only planet with plate tectonics - Big Think
    Here in our Solar System, of all the known planets, only Earth rCo not Mercury, not Venus, and not Mars rCo is known to possess plate
    tectonics.Mar 27, 2023

    How Mars Lost Its Magnetic FieldrCoand Then Its Oceans - JSTOR Daily
    JSTOR Daily
    https://daily.jstor.org rC| how-mars-lost-its-magnetic-field-...
    Search for: Why did Mars lose its magnetic field?

    Mars have about the same average density as the Earth, BUT, the radius
    of Mars is about 0.6 Earth radius.
    That mean about 0.216 Earth mass and about 0.36 of the surface. This
    resulted in a much faster cooling. It should be noted that the initial temperature of the inside of Mars was probably lower as it accumulated
    less energy during it's accretion. That also mean a lot less heat from
    nuclear decay. So, it's interior cooled, causing the core to become
    thick, thus stopping the magnetic field generating process.
    The loss of it's magnetic field only accelerated the loss of it's
    atmosphere. Remember that the Martian escape velocity is about a third
    of Earth's escape velocity. That alone mean loosing it's atmosphere.

    For Earth, we now have reasons to think that plate tectonics got
    initiated by the collision that formed the Moon. Then, the tidal pull
    from the Moon may have helped kipping it running.
    Venus seems to never experience such a collision, so, nothing to kick
    start it's plate tectonics. The Venusian crust it possibly thinner than Earth's crust, as the insulation provided by it's very thick atmosphere
    must slow down it's cooling.

    There is a model where Mercury would be the core of an Uranus like
    planet that evaporated due to it's proximity to the Sun.
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