• fabrication of wafer (computer chips) ... "fabrication"?

    From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.conspiracy,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Jun 21 10:36:03 2026
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    Why is the manufacturing of computer chips also called "fabrication"?

    Is it a dirty ulgy little tick to joke about the legal meaning of "fabrication"?

    FABRICATION in Traditional Chinese - Cambridge Dictionary <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english-chinese-traditional/fabrication>

    * the act of producing a product, especially in
    an industrial process

    * the act of inventing false information in order
    to deceive someone, or the false information itself
    --

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    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
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  • From Paul in Houston TX@Paul@Houston.Texas to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.conspiracy,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sat Jun 20 23:04:27 2026
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    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    Why is the manufacturing of computer chips also called "fabrication"?

    Is it a dirty ulgy little tick to joke about the legal meaning of "fabrication"?

    FABRICATION in Traditional Chinese - Cambridge Dictionary <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english-chinese-traditional/fabrication>


    * the act of producing a product, especially in
    -a an industrial process

    * the act of inventing false information in order
    -a to deceive someone, or the false information itself

    My "guess" is that fabrication probably refers to root word "fabric", so fabrication would be making something intricate and complex from a
    simple but very small starting point. i.e: silk thread.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Jun 21 05:54:16 2026
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    On Sat, 6/20/2026 10:36 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    Why is the manufacturing of computer chips also called "fabrication"?

    Is it a dirty ulgy little tick to joke about the legal meaning of "fabrication"?

    FABRICATION in Traditional Chinese - Cambridge Dictionary <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english-chinese-traditional/fabrication>

    * the act of producing a product, especially in
    -a an industrial process

    * the act of inventing false information in order
    -a to deceive someone, or the false information itself

    It takes *12 weeks* to make one of those.

    If there is an earthquake while the process is running,
    then 12 weeks worth of product can go into the garbage.
    A wafer boat which is in transit in a robotic carrier,
    that could be saved. And if one wafer is worth $10K-$20K,
    and there are a dozen wafers in the carrier, that's worth
    saving. The automation knows what steps the wafer has been
    through. A lot of the machines, will have high vacuum inside
    them while the process step runs (all the room air has to be
    purged inside a machine, before a process step starts).

    But if a wafer was in a sputtering machine, or some sort of
    doping process was being carried out, and there was an earthquake,
    the wafer is most likely spoiled and cannot be trusted by
    "just doing half a doping process". The process steps are
    considered un-stoppable, because you would not be delivering
    a precise reproduction of the behavior of the machines, if
    you stopped and started them again.

    The material is deposited in layers. It's just like building a house.

    The fab building is vibration-isolated. Ours had "bags" of some sort
    underneath the building. And what those would suppress, was vibration
    from passing traffic. You couldn't feel any vibration in the
    building. I think someone had to go underneath the building and
    check on those, once in a while. The building was far enough from
    a local stream, that flooding did not make its way to the
    building foundation. And no, the building does not wobble
    or "shake like jelly". There is no sign that there is a
    suspension system.

    But when there is an earthquake, the bags underneath the building
    would eventually transmit the earthquake energy into a shaking
    of the building. And then the wafers inside process machines are ruined.
    And likely with our clumsy staff, the odd bottle of reagent grade
    chemicals would be dropped on the floor. The building was evacuated
    a couple times, because of broken solvent bottles.

    The process also uses two poison gases (Phosphine (PH3) and arsine (AsH3)),
    so the plant has poison gas detectors. As some kind of joke,
    I was in an office area, when two guys walked diagonally through the
    room (a "shortcut") while they were wearing their Scott air packs.
    This was intended to leave the impression that any employees in the
    room were "canaries" suited to testing for any poison gas :-)
    No matter where you work, there are always asshole practical jokers.
    You're supposed to take your mask off, if you're not using it.

    In another building (an even smaller fab on site), I was having
    a beer with someone from Health & Safety, and she tells me
    that after all these years, she has just installed poison gas
    detectors in my building. What a relief! It's good to know
    I was in good hands for all the years those detectors weren't there.

    A fab then, is a place filled with fun and merriment.

    It is a place where people work, and in its way, kinda boring.

    Paul
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Jun 21 08:16:08 2026
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    On Sun, 6/21/2026 12:04 AM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    Why is the manufacturing of computer chips also called "fabrication"?

    Is it a dirty ulgy little tick to joke about the legal meaning of "fabrication"?

    FABRICATION in Traditional Chinese - Cambridge Dictionary
    <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english-chinese-traditional/fabrication>

    * the act of producing a product, especially in
    -a-a an industrial process

    * the act of inventing false information in order
    -a-a to deceive someone, or the false information itself

    My "guess" is that fabrication probably refers to root word "fabric", so fabrication would be making something intricate and complex from a simple but very small starting point. i.e: silk thread.

    You might also notice they use that in the naming of the buildings.
    Such as "FAB43".

    Paul
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Jun 21 20:33:56 2026
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    On 6/21/2026 8:16 PM, Paul wrote:

    You might also notice they use that in the naming of the buildings.
    Such as "FAB43".

    Not answering the question.

    Why add an extra meaning to the word "fabrication" in the name of
    information technology?

    Why not a new word? :)

    Because some countries have lots of great weapons? Dark magic?
    Super-duper Johm Smith the Matrix kind of thing? Well...
    --

    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Jun 21 23:06:54 2026
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    On 21/06/2026 10:16 pm, Paul wrote:
    On Sun, 6/21/2026 12:04 AM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    Why is the manufacturing of computer chips also called "fabrication"?

    Is it a dirty ulgy little tick to joke about the legal meaning of "fabrication"?

    FABRICATION in Traditional Chinese - Cambridge Dictionary
    <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english-chinese-traditional/fabrication>

    * the act of producing a product, especially in
    -a-a an industrial process

    * the act of inventing false information in order
    -a-a to deceive someone, or the false information itself

    My "guess" is that fabrication probably refers to root word "fabric", so fabrication would be making something intricate and complex from a simple but very small starting point. i.e: silk thread.

    You might also notice they use that in the naming of the buildings.
    Such as "FAB43".

    Paul

    Or even vehicles such as FAB1 ;-)
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    Daniel70
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  • From ....winston@winstonmvp@gmail.com to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.conspiracy,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Jun 21 10:51:29 2026
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    On 06/21/2026 12:04 AM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    Why is the manufacturing of computer chips also called "fabrication"?

    Is it a dirty ulgy little tick to joke about the legal meaning of
    "fabrication"?

    FABRICATION in Traditional Chinese - Cambridge Dictionary
    <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english-chinese-
    traditional/fabrication>

    * the act of producing a product, especially in
    -a-a an industrial process

    * the act of inventing false information in order
    -a-a to deceive someone, or the false information itself

    My "guess" is that fabrication probably refers to root word "fabric", so fabrication would be making something intricate and complex from a
    simple but very small starting point. i.e: silk thread.

    From the Latin word - fabricare
    construct, build, fashion
    Chips are the result of building/constructing hundreds of layers of
    circuits on a crystal of semiconducting material.
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  • From athel.cb@gmail.com@user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.conspiracy,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Jun 21 15:42:58 2026
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    "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> posted:

    On 06/21/2026 12:04 AM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    Why is the manufacturing of computer chips also called "fabrication"?

    Is it a dirty ulgy little tick to joke about the legal meaning of
    "fabrication"?

    FABRICATION in Traditional Chinese - Cambridge Dictionary
    <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english-chinese-
    traditional/fabrication>

    * the act of producing a product, especially in
    -a-a an industrial process

    * the act of inventing false information in order
    -a-a to deceive someone, or the false information itself

    My "guess" is that fabrication probably refers to root word "fabric", so fabrication would be making something intricate and complex from a
    simple but very small starting point. i.e: silk thread.

    From the Latin word - fabricare
    construct, build, fashion
    Chips are the result of building/constructing hundreds of layers of
    circuits on a crystal of semiconducting material.


    Fabrication is a perfectly ordinary word meaning "the act of producing a product, especially in
    an industrial process", with no need for a far-fetched explanation. "The
    the act of inventing false information in order to deceive someone, or the false information itself" is
    --
    athel

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    with long periods in Singapore, California, Chile and Canada
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  • From athel.cb@gmail.com@user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.english.usage on Sun Jun 21 15:44:03 2026
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    "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> posted:

    On 06/21/2026 12:04 AM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    Why is the manufacturing of computer chips also called "fabrication"?

    Is it a dirty ulgy little tick to joke about the legal meaning of
    "fabrication"?

    FABRICATION in Traditional Chinese - Cambridge Dictionary
    <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english-chinese-
    traditional/fabrication>

    * the act of producing a product, especially in
    -a-a an industrial process

    * the act of inventing false information in order
    -a-a to deceive someone, or the false information itself

    My "guess" is that fabrication probably refers to root word "fabric", so fabrication would be making something intricate and complex from a
    simple but very small starting point. i.e: silk thread.

    From the Latin word - fabricare
    construct, build, fashion
    Chips are the result of building/constructing hundreds of layers of
    circuits on a crystal of semiconducting material.


    Fabrication is a perfectly ordinary word meaning "the act of producing a product, especially in
    an industrial process", with no need for a far-fetched explanation. "The
    the act of inventing false information in order to deceive someone, or the false information itself" is a secondary meaning.
    --
    athel

    Living in Marseilles for 39 years; mainly in England before that,
    with long periods in Singapore, California, Chile and Canada
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.conspiracy,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jun 22 13:16:57 2026
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    On 6/21/2026 11:42 PM, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:

    Fabrication is a perfectly ordinary word meaning "the act of producing a product, especially in
    an industrial process", with no need for a far-fetched explanation. "The
    the act of inventing false information in order to deceive someone, or the false information itself" is

    So computer chips are fabricated to invent false information in order to deceive the world? Look at the spams and scams inside internet!!

    Well said, then!! Well said!! :)
    --

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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.conspiracy,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jun 22 13:53:56 2026
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    On 6/21/2026 11:42 PM, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:

    Fabrication is a perfectly ordinary word meaning "the act of producing a product, especially in
    an industrial process", with no need for a far-fetched explanation. "The
    the act of inventing false information in order to deceive someone, or the false information itself" is

    So computer chips are fabricated to invent false information in order to deceive the world? Look at the spams and scams inside internet!!

    Well said, then!! Well said!! :)
    --

    @~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
    / v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
    /( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
    ^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.conspiracy,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jun 22 17:59:59 2026
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    On 22/06/2026 12:51 am, ....winston wrote:

    <Snip>

    Chips are the result of building/constructing hundreds of layers of
    circuits on a crystal of semiconducting material.

    No, Chips are the result of slicing a Potato up and then deep frying the bits!! ;-P
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From JJ@jj4public@gmail.com to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jun 22 17:39:52 2026
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    On Sun, 21 Jun 2026 20:33:56 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 6/21/2026 8:16 PM, Paul wrote:

    You might also notice they use that in the naming of the buildings.
    Such as "FAB43".

    Not answering the question.

    Why add an extra meaning to the word "fabrication" in the name of information technology?

    Why not a new word? :)

    Because some countries have lots of great weapons? Dark magic?
    Super-duper Johm Smith the Matrix kind of thing? Well...

    Language evolves over time.

    Current English is almost (if not all) completely different than the
    original Engligh - i.e. Old English.

    I'm pretty sure majority of current English speaking people, can't
    understand Old English.
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.conspiracy,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jun 22 18:50:33 2026
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    On 6/22/2026 3:59 PM, Daniel70 wrote:

    No, Chips are the result of slicing a Potato up and then deep frying the bits!! ;-P


    In American English, anything that looks like a thin slab could be
    called or labelled as "chip"?

    What about English English or British English? What is a "chip"?
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jun 22 18:58:36 2026
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    On 6/22/2026 6:39 PM, JJ wrote:

    Language evolves over time.

    Current English is almost (if not all) completely different than the
    original Engligh - i.e. Old English.

    I'm pretty sure majority of current English speaking people, can't
    understand Old English.

    I don't mind the courage and might to modify English dictionaries.
    But... BUT.... it should be done wisely with wisdom and vision.
    --

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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jun 22 12:20:55 2026
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    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    I don't mind the courage and might to modify English dictionaries.
    But... BUT.... it should be done wisely with wisdom and vision.

    English dictionaries don't prescribe how you should speak the language,
    they document how people do speak it.

    Compare that to the Acad|-mie Fran|oaise, who at least *think* they tell people how to speak French :-)
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jun 22 21:25:40 2026
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    On 22/06/2026 8:39 pm, JJ wrote:
    On Sun, 21 Jun 2026 20:33:56 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 6/21/2026 8:16 PM, Paul wrote:

    You might also notice they use that in the naming of the buildings.
    Such as "FAB43".

    Not answering the question.

    Why add an extra meaning to the word "fabrication" in the name of
    information technology?

    Why not a new word? :)

    Because some countries have lots of great weapons? Dark magic?
    Super-duper Johm Smith the Matrix kind of thing? Well...

    Language evolves over time.

    Current English is almost (if not all) completely different than the
    original Engligh - i.e. Old English.

    Sorry, shouldn't that be "Olde English"?? ;-P

    I'm pretty sure majority of current English speaking people, can't
    understand Old English.

    Correct. ;-P
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From Graham J@nobody@nowhere.co.uk to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.conspiracy,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jun 22 12:57:22 2026
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    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 6/22/2026 3:59 PM, Daniel70 wrote:

    No, Chips are the result of slicing a Potato up and then deep frying the
    bits!! ;-P


    In American English, anything that looks like a thin slab could be
    called or labelled as "chip"?

    What about English English or British English? What is a "chip"?

    What's this "American English" rubbish? American is what many people
    speak in America; it has a passing resemblance to English but is largely misunderstood by English-speaking people. See the example above where a
    chip in American is a crisp in English, and chips in Britain are "French Fries" or something similar in American.

    English is what must people speak in Great Britain, with a variety of
    regional accents; and some totally distinct languages like Welsh or Gaelic

    Australian "Strine" is what most speak in Australia.
    --
    Graham J
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  • From David Samuel Barr@dsbarr@mindspring.com to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jun 22 08:29:55 2026
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    On 6/22/2026 7:20 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    I don't mind the courage and might to modify English dictionaries.
    But... BUT.... it should be done wisely with wisdom and vision.

    English dictionaries don't prescribe how you should speak the language,
    they document how people do speak it.

    Compare that to the Acad|-mie Fran|oaise, who at least *think* they tell people how to speak French :-)

    Originally English dictionaries were in fact
    "prescriptive", guiding users to the proper
    spelling and definitions of words. Only in
    more recent decades did many switch to becoming
    "descriptive" and thereby giving credence to
    erroneous words and definitions, such as the
    non-existent "proactive" that was invented by
    people who didn't remember that opposite of
    "reactive" is simply "active", or any number
    of non-existent verbs that were back-constructed
    from nouns by the ignorant, such as "conversate"
    (instead of the correct "converse"). As for
    "fabrication", it basically refers to the
    creation or construction of something, whether
    physical (chips, buildings) or intangible
    (misinformation), though in the latter it has
    [also] taken the form of the noun describing
    the result of the action.
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.conspiracy,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jun 22 22:51:41 2026
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    On 22/06/2026 9:57 pm, Graham J wrote:
    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 6/22/2026 3:59 PM, Daniel70 wrote:

    No, Chips are the result of slicing a Potato up and then deep frying the >>> bits!! ;-P


    In American English, anything that looks like a thin slab could be
    called or labelled as "chip"?

    What about English English or British English? What is a "chip"?

    What's this "American English" rubbish?-a American is what many people
    speak in America; it has a passing resemblance to English but is largely misunderstood by English-speaking people. See the example above where a
    chip in American is a crisp in English, and chips in Britain are "French Fries" or something similar in American.

    English is what must people speak in Great Britain, with a variety of regional accents; and some totally distinct languages like Welsh or Gaelic

    My Scottish Brother-in-Law might disagree with that. ;-p

    Australian "Strine" is what most speak in Australia.

    No, here in Australia, we speak English.
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    Daniel70
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jun 22 21:38:55 2026
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    On 6/22/2026 8:29 PM, David Samuel Barr wrote:

    (instead of the correct "converse"). As for
    "fabrication", it basically refers to the
    creation or construction of something, whether
    physical (chips, buildings) or intangible
    (misinformation), though in the latter it has
    [also] taken the form of the noun describing
    the result of the action.

    Because of the "root" of the word is "fabric"? "cloth or material" are physical, are NOT intangible. They are NOT fairy tale creatures!!

    FABRIC in Traditional Chinese - Cambridge Dictionary <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english-chinese-traditional/fabric?

    cloth or material for making clothes, covering furniture, etc.
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.conspiracy,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jun 22 21:42:11 2026
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    On 6/22/2026 7:57 PM, Graham J wrote:
    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 6/22/2026 3:59 PM, Daniel70 wrote:

    No, Chips are the result of slicing a Potato up and then deep frying the >>> bits!! ;-P

    What's this "American English" rubbish? American is what many people
    speak in America; it has a passing resemblance to English but is largely
    ....
    English is what must people speak in Great Britain, with a variety of regional accents; and some totally distinct languages like Welsh or Gaelic

    Australian "Strine" is what most speak in Australia.
    In American version of english, anything that looks like a thin slab
    could be called or labelled as "chip"??

    Are you a North American or a South American? Australian?

    Indian? African?
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.conspiracy,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jun 22 21:43:10 2026
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    On 6/22/2026 8:51 PM, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 22/06/2026 9:57 pm, Graham J wrote:
    On 6/22/2026 3:59 PM, Daniel70 wrote:

    Both of you are NOT answering my question about "chip" and "thin slab"!!
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Jun 23 01:40:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.english.usage

    On 6/22/2026 7:25 PM, Daniel70 wrote:

    Sorry, shouldn't that be "Olde English"?? ;-P

    I'm pretty sure majority of current English speaking people, can't
    understand Old English.

    Correct. ;-P

    Oldie English?

    Did you mean noble class or peasant class? The royal?? ;)
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  • From ....winston@winstonmvp@gmail.com to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jun 22 14:14:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.english.usage

    On 06/22/2026 9:38 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 6/22/2026 8:29 PM, David Samuel Barr wrote:

    (instead of the correct "converse"). As for
    "fabrication", it basically refers to the
    creation or construction of something, whether
    physical (chips, buildings) or intangible
    (misinformation), though in the latter it has
    [also] taken the form of the noun describing
    the result of the action.

    Because of the "root" of the word is "fabric"? "cloth or material" are physical, are NOT intangible. They are NOT fairy tale creatures!!

    FABRIC in Traditional Chinese - Cambridge Dictionary <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english-chinese- traditional/fabric?

    cloth or material for making clothes, covering furniture, etc.


    Those types of responses might remind some to paraphrase Ming's(the
    Merciless) comment to Klytus's after his men/guards failed to defeat and capture Flash.
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Jun 23 02:52:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.english.usage

    On 6/23/2026 2:14 AM, ....winston wrote:

    Those types of responses might remind some to paraphrase Ming's(the Merciless) comment to Klytus's after his men/guards failed to defeat and capture Flash.


    Another assassin just hop in and BANG!! BANG!! Well... :)
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.english.usage,alt.conspiracy,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt on Tue Jun 23 02:57:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.english.usage

    On 6/23/2026 1:51 AM, John wrote:
    On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 21:43:10 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"

    Both of you are NOT answering my question about "chip" and "thin slab"!!

    Yes, "chip" means "a thin slab cut from something"....

    What the English often use the word "chip" for is "fried potato chip"
    or "fried chip from a potato".....

    In England, in general conversation, much of the time "chips" means a
    small meal made up of deep-fried potato wedges, salt and vinegar. It
    is roughly 1/3rd part of each ingredient.

    The comedy sketch making fun of "spam" as an ingredient was just substituting "spam" for chips. If you replace "spam" with "chips" then
    it becomes simply a normal caf|- menu and all alleged humour vanishes.


    It's obvious nobody (notbaly the nobles and the rich) gave a dime about computer chip making. That's why they linked computer chip(wafer) making
    with "fabrication" in the dictionaries, to joke about it? They only
    cared about shapes and colors, like fashion. :)
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Jun 23 03:22:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.english.usage

    On 6/23/2026 2:52 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 6/23/2026 2:14 AM, ....winston wrote:

    Those types of responses might remind some to paraphrase Ming's(the
    Merciless) comment to Klytus's after his men/guards failed to defeat and
    capture Flash.


    Another assassin just hop in and BANG!! BANG!! Well... :)


    Analyst Team, red line, Assassin Team... Well... Oldie tactic.
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  • From KenitoBenito@Kenito@Benito.too to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.conspiracy,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jun 22 17:17:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.english.usage

    On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 12:57:22 +0100, Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk>
    wrote:

    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 6/22/2026 3:59 PM, Daniel70 wrote:

    No, Chips are the result of slicing a Potato up and then deep frying the >>> bits!! ;-P


    In American English, anything that looks like a thin slab could be
    called or labelled as "chip"?

    What about English English or British English? What is a "chip"?

    What's this "American English" rubbish? American is what many people
    speak in America;

    Nah. The number of people who speak Apache is limited.
    The majority speak the American dialect of English.

    it has a passing resemblance to English but is largely
    misunderstood by English-speaking people. See the example above where a
    chip in American is a crisp in English, and chips in Britain are "French >Fries" or something similar in American.

    So they got it wrong in England. Your point? :)


    English is what must people speak in Great Britain, with a variety of >regional accents; and some totally distinct languages like Welsh or Gaelic

    Australian "Strine" is what most speak in Australia.

    Most speak the Australian dialect of English.
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  • From KenitoBenito@Kenito@Benito.too to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.conspiracy,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jun 22 17:17:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.english.usage

    On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 22:51:41 +1000, Daniel70
    <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    [...]

    What about English English or British English? What is a "chip"?

    What's this "American English" rubbish?a American is what many people
    speak in America; it has a passing resemblance to English but is largely
    misunderstood by English-speaking people. See the example above where a
    chip in American is a crisp in English, and chips in Britain are "French
    Fries" or something similar in American.

    English is what must people speak in Great Britain, with a variety of
    regional accents; and some totally distinct languages like Welsh or Gaelic

    My Scottish Brother-in-Law might disagree with that. ;-p


    A fair number in Scotland can, and surely do, speak Scots.

    Australian "Strine" is what most speak in Australia.

    No, here in Australia, we speak English.

    More specific, the Australian dialect of English.
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    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.conspiracy,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Jun 23 20:24:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.english.usage

    On 23/06/2026 10:17 am, KenitoBenito wrote:
    On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 22:51:41 +1000, Daniel70
    <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    [...]

    What about English English or British English? What is a "chip"?

    What's this "American English" rubbish?-a American is what many people
    speak in America; it has a passing resemblance to English but is largely >>> misunderstood by English-speaking people. See the example above where a
    chip in American is a crisp in English, and chips in Britain are "French >>> Fries" or something similar in American.

    English is what must people speak in Great Britain, with a variety of
    regional accents; and some totally distinct languages like Welsh or Gaelic >>
    My Scottish Brother-in-Law might disagree with that. ;-p

    A fair number in Scotland can, and surely do, speak Scots.

    I can't say I've ever heard my Brother-in-Law (who has lived here in
    Australia for almost 40 years) speak Scottish!! Well, a couple of words
    now and again (his 'party trick'!!), but not a real conversational piece.

    Australian "Strine" is what most speak in Australia.

    No, here in Australia, we speak English.

    More specific, the Australian dialect of English.

    Well, we would have called it 'The Queens English' .... until a couple
    of years ago!!
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From KenitoBenito@Kenito@Benito.too to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.conspiracy,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Jun 23 19:25:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.english.usage

    On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 20:24:42 +1000, Daniel70
    <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 23/06/2026 10:17 am, KenitoBenito wrote:
    On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 22:51:41 +1000, Daniel70
    <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    [...]

    What about English English or British English? What is a "chip"?

    What's this "American English" rubbish?a American is what many people
    speak in America; it has a passing resemblance to English but is largely >>>> misunderstood by English-speaking people. See the example above where a >>>> chip in American is a crisp in English, and chips in Britain are "French >>>> Fries" or something similar in American.

    English is what must people speak in Great Britain, with a variety of
    regional accents; and some totally distinct languages like Welsh or Gaelic >>>
    My Scottish Brother-in-Law might disagree with that. ;-p

    A fair number in Scotland can, and surely do, speak Scots.

    I can't say I've ever heard my Brother-in-Law (who has lived here in >Australia for almost 40 years) speak Scottish!! Well, a couple of words
    now and again (his 'party trick'!!), but not a real conversational piece.


    If there is no one with whom to speak in the language, there
    wouldn't be much motivation to use it.

    Australian "Strine" is what most speak in Australia.

    No, here in Australia, we speak English.

    More specific, the Australian dialect of English.

    Well, we would have called it 'The Queens English' .... until a couple
    of years ago!!

    I always thought that was in the posh parts of London. But I'm
    not an expert, so take what I thought for what little it's worth.
    --
    Kenito Benito
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.conspiracy,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Wed Jun 24 02:40:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.english.usage

    On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 20:24:42 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:

    On 23/06/2026 10:17 am, KenitoBenito wrote:
    On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 22:51:41 +1000, Daniel70
    <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    [...]

    What about English English or British English? What is a "chip"?

    What's this "American English" rubbish?-a American is what many people >>>> speak in America; it has a passing resemblance to English but is
    largely misunderstood by English-speaking people. See the example
    above where a chip in American is a crisp in English, and chips in
    Britain are "French Fries" or something similar in American.

    English is what must people speak in Great Britain, with a variety of
    regional accents; and some totally distinct languages like Welsh or
    Gaelic

    My Scottish Brother-in-Law might disagree with that. ;-p

    A fair number in Scotland can, and surely do, speak Scots.

    I can't say I've ever heard my Brother-in-Law (who has lived here in Australia for almost 40 years) speak Scottish!! Well, a couple of words
    now and again (his 'party trick'!!), but not a real conversational
    piece.

    Australian "Strine" is what most speak in Australia.

    No, here in Australia, we speak English.

    More specific, the Australian dialect of English.

    Well, we would have called it 'The Queens English' .... until a couple
    of years ago!!

    Perhaps they are not representative but I find it easier to understand the dialog in Australian movies and shows than British ones.
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  • From Steve Hayes@hayesstw@telkomsa.net to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.conspiracy,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Wed Jun 24 05:30:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.english.usage

    On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 18:50:33 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 6/22/2026 3:59 PM, Daniel70 wrote:

    No, Chips are the result of slicing a Potato up and then deep frying the
    bits!! ;-P


    In American English, anything that looks like a thin slab could be
    called or labelled as "chip"?

    What about English English or British English? What is a "chip"?

    A chip off the old block.

    A chip on one's shoulder.
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.conspiracy,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Wed Jun 24 15:13:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.english.usage

    On 6/24/2026 11:30 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:

    What about English English or British English? What is a "chip"?

    A chip off the old block.

    A chip on one's shoulder.

    A piece of paper with a magic seal? Meow... :)
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.conspiracy,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Wed Jun 24 22:00:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.english.usage

    On 24/06/2026 12:40 pm, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 20:24:42 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:

    On 23/06/2026 10:17 am, KenitoBenito wrote:
    On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 22:51:41 +1000, Daniel70
    <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    [...]

    <Snip>

    Australian "Strine" is what most speak in Australia.

    No, here in Australia, we speak English.

    More specific, the Australian dialect of English.

    Well, we would have called it 'The Queens English' .... until a couple
    of years ago!!

    Perhaps they are not representative but I find it easier to understand the dialog in Australian movies and shows than British ones.

    WOW!! Really??
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    Daniel70
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.english.usage,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.conspiracy,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Wed Jun 24 19:06:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.english.usage

    On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 22:00:44 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:

    On 24/06/2026 12:40 pm, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 20:24:42 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:

    On 23/06/2026 10:17 am, KenitoBenito wrote:
    On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 22:51:41 +1000, Daniel70
    <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    [...]

    <Snip>

    Australian "Strine" is what most speak in Australia.

    No, here in Australia, we speak English.

    More specific, the Australian dialect of English.

    Well, we would have called it 'The Queens English' .... until a couple
    of years ago!!

    Perhaps they are not representative but I find it easier to understand
    the dialog in Australian movies and shows than British ones.

    WOW!! Really??

    Ones that come to mind are the Mystery Road and Troppo series. MR left me with the feeling if you dropped me in WA I would say 'Okay. Montana with kangaroos.'

    The UK series are variable. In 'Shetland' Henshall was easy to understand, some of the more Scottish accents were hard. Ken Loach's 'The Navigators'
    was mostly in the Yorkshire accent and unintelligible. 'Sexy Beast',
    whatever it was, was difficult to understand except for Kingsley's
    'Fuck!'.

    Other shows are easier to understand although it takes a while for my ears
    to adapt. I never found the original but there is a rumor the first 'Mad
    Max' was dubbed for the US audience. Maybe the heavily Strine productions don't get picked up in the US.


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