I thought I'd asked about this in English usage NGs before, but can't
find it, and anyway have no recollection of having received an answer,
so if anyone knows, I'd like to know what is meant by "hybrid attacks"
and "hybrid warfare", which I've been seeing with inceasing frequency
online.
I thought I'd asked about this in English usage NGs before, but can't
find it, and anyway have no recollection of having received an answer,
so if anyone knows, I'd like to know what is meant by "hybrid attacks"
and "hybrid warfare", which I've been seeing with inceasing frequency
online.
I picture airborne submarines, or perhaps floating tanks, but perhaps
it's just a common or garden chimaera.
Anybody know?
Den 18.09.2026 kl. 10.36 skrev Steve Hayes:[ObAUE Question] How can something be indisputable yet not proven?
I thought I'd asked about this in English usage NGs before, but can't
find it, and anyway have no recollection of having received an answer,
so if anyone knows, I'd like to know what is meant by "hybrid attacks"
and "hybrid warfare", which I've been seeing with inceasing frequency
online.
Four examples from real life:
1. A Russian ship sent a flare against a Danish helicopter in an international area.
2. Russia (not proven but indisputable) has sent several drones into the airspace over Denmark. Some of them near military areas. I saw one myself.
3. Russian (not proven but indisputable) hackers hacked a Danish water
supply site turning up the pressure to the point where pipes broke and
sent water all over the place.
Le 18/09/2026 |a 09:36, Steve Hayes a |-crit :
I thought I'd asked about this in English usage NGs before, but can't
find it, and anyway have no recollection of having received an answer,
so if anyone knows, I'd like to know what is meant by "hybrid attacks"
and "hybrid warfare", which I've been seeing with inceasing frequency
online.
I picture airborne submarines, or perhaps floating tanks, but perhaps
it's just a common or garden chimaera.
Floating tanks have been done: <https://thumb.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/DD- Tank.jpg/1280px-DD-Tank.jpg>
Anybody know?
No, butrCa
1. "Hybrid Attacks are a kind of cyberattack where the perpetrator
blends two or more kinds of tools to carry out the assault. / A typical hybrid attack is one that merges a dictionary attack and a brute-force attack" -
<https://www.hypr.com/security-encyclopedia/hybrid-attack>
2. "Hybrid threats combine military and non-military as well as covert
and overt means, including disinformation, cyber attacks, economic
pressure, deployment of irregular armed groups and use of regular forces" - <https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/deterrence-and-defence/countering- hybrid-threats>
Le 18/09/2026 |a 09:36, Steve Hayes a |-crit :
I thought I'd asked about this in English usage NGs before, but can't
find it, and anyway have no recollection of having received an answer,
so if anyone knows, I'd like to know what is meant by "hybrid attacks"
and "hybrid warfare", which I've been seeing with inceasing frequency
online.
I picture airborne submarines, or perhaps floating tanks, but perhaps
it's just a common or garden chimaera.
Floating tanks have been done: <https://thumb.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/DD-Tank.jpg/1280px-DD-Tank.jpg>
Anybody know?
No, butrCahybrid-threats>
1. "Hybrid Attacks are a kind of cyberattack where the perpetrator
blends two or more kinds of tools to carry out the assault. / A typical hybrid attack is one that merges a dictionary attack and a brute-force attack" -
<https://www.hypr.com/security-encyclopedia/hybrid-attack>
2. "Hybrid threats combine military and non-military as well as covert
and overt means, including disinformation, cyber attacks, economic
pressure, deployment of irregular armed groups and use of regular
forces" - <https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/deterrence-and-defence/countering-
Cutting undersea pipelines and cables are a very effective type of
hybrid attack.
On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 12:37:12 +0100, Hibou wrote:
Floating tanks have been done:
<https://thumb.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/DD-Tank.jpg/1280px-DD-Tank.jpg>
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Will try again when I'm in Windows rather than Linux.
1. "Hybrid Attacks are a kind of cyberattack where the perpetratorhybrid-threats>
blends two or more kinds of tools to carry out the assault. / A typical
hybrid attack is one that merges a dictionary attack and a brute-force
attack" -
<https://www.hypr.com/security-encyclopedia/hybrid-attack>
2. "Hybrid threats combine military and non-military as well as covert
and overt means, including disinformation, cyber attacks, economic
pressure, deployment of irregular armed groups and use of regular
forces" -
<https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/deterrence-and-defence/countering-
Ah, so a combination of both "hot" and "cold" war, using both taps?
I thought I'd asked about this in English usage NGs before, but can't
find it, and anyway have no recollection of having received an answer,
so if anyone knows, I'd like to know what is meant by "hybrid attacks"
and "hybrid warfare", which I've been seeing with inceasing frequency
online.
I picture airborne submarines, or perhaps floating tanks, but perhaps
it's just a common or garden chimaera.
Anybody know?
Den 18.09.2026 kl. 10.36 skrev Steve Hayes:
I thought I'd asked about this in English usage NGs before, but can't
find it, and anyway have no recollection of having received an answer,
so if anyone knows, I'd like to know what is meant by "hybrid attacks"
and "hybrid warfare", which I've been seeing with inceasing frequency
online.
Four examples from real life:
1. A Russian ship sent a flare against a Danish helicopter in an >international area.
2. Russia (not proven but indisputable) has sent several drones into the >airspace over Denmark. Some of them near military areas. I saw one myself.
Le 18/09/2026 |a 09:36, Steve Hayes a |-crit :
I picture airborne submarines, or perhaps floating tanks, but perhaps
it's just a common or garden chimaera.
Floating tanks have been done: ><https://thumb.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/DD-Tank.jpg/1280px-DD-Tank.jpg>
1. "Hybrid Attacks are a kind of cyberattack where the perpetrator
blends two or more kinds of tools to carry out the assault. / A typical >hybrid attack is one that merges a dictionary attack and a brute-force >attack" -
<https://www.hypr.com/security-encyclopedia/hybrid-attack>
2. "Hybrid threats combine military and non-military as well as covert
and overt means, including disinformation, cyber attacks, economic
pressure, deployment of irregular armed groups and use of regular forces" - ><https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/deterrence-and-defence/countering-hybrid-threats>
1. A Russian ship sent a flare against a Danish helicopter in an
international area.
How is that "hybrid"?
2. Russia (not proven but indisputable) has sent several drones into the
airspace over Denmark. Some of them near military areas. I saw one myself.
Does 1+2 make it hybrid? Flare + Drone?
And was the flare an "attack", or a warning against getting too close?
Floating tanks have been done:Tank.jpg/1280px-DD-Tank.jpg>
<https://thumb.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/DD-
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Le 18/09/2026 |a 09:36, Steve Hayes a |-crit :Tank.jpg/1280px-DD-Tank.jpg>
I thought I'd asked about this in English usage NGs before, but can't
find it, and anyway have no recollection of having received an answer,
so if anyone knows, I'd like to know what is meant by "hybrid attacks"
and "hybrid warfare", which I've been seeing with inceasing frequency
online.
I picture airborne submarines, or perhaps floating tanks, but perhaps
it's just a common or garden chimaera.
Floating tanks have been done:
<https://thumb.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/DD-
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The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the
authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
Will try again when I'm in Windows rather than Linux.
hybrid-threats>
Anybody know?
No, butrCa
1. "Hybrid Attacks are a kind of cyberattack where the perpetrator
blends two or more kinds of tools to carry out the assault. / A typical
hybrid attack is one that merges a dictionary attack and a brute-force
attack" -
<https://www.hypr.com/security-encyclopedia/hybrid-attack>
2. "Hybrid threats combine military and non-military as well as covert
and overt means, including disinformation, cyber attacks, economic
pressure, deployment of irregular armed groups and use of regular
forces" -
<https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/deterrence-and-defence/countering-
Ah, so a combination of both "hot" and "cold" war, using both taps?
I don't know, but I have searched.
It seems that there are two forms of 'hybrid' attacks.
The original 'hybrid attack' refers to cyber-attacks of the sort people
use to access others' data by a mix of techniques e.g. a combination of
a dictionary attack and a brute-force attack.
https://www.hypr.com/security-encyclopedia/hybrid-attack
The more recent use - which I suspect is the reason of your query -
refers to government level incursions, which Russia is suspected of
engaging in recently. It's the use a mix of slimy tactics to probe the enemy's defences and reaction. 'Hybrid warfare' is a better term, to distinguish it from the cyber-attack term.
https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/deterrence-and-defence/countering-hybrid-threats
The helicopter was no closer than other Danish aircrafts have been
several times.
Den 19.09.2026 kl. 09.41 skrev Steve Hayes:
1. A Russian ship sent a flare against a Danish helicopter in an
international area.
How is that "hybrid"?
We use "hybrid" about hostile actions that are not real war.
2. Russia (not proven but indisputable) has sent several drones into the >>> airspace over Denmark. Some of them near military areas. I saw one myself. >>Does 1+2 make it hybrid? Flare + Drone?
Each one is hybrid by itself. Maybe my definition wasn't precise.
And was the flare an "attack", or a warning against getting too close?
That is open to interpretation. The Russians didn't say. Experts said
that a flare hitting a helicopter would have been dangerous, but it
wasn't too close.
The helicopter was no closer than other Danish aircrafts have been
several times.
Does 1+2 make it hybrid? Flare + Drone?
Each one is hybrid by itself. Maybe my definition wasn't precise.
As in a lone mule?
The helicopter was no closer than other Danish aircrafts have been
several times.
And what were the Danish aircraft doing that close, several times?
Den 19.09.2026 kl. 12.57 skrev Steve Hayes:
Does 1+2 make it hybrid? Flare + Drone?
Each one is hybrid by itself. Maybe my definition wasn't precise.
As in a lone mule?
No, I meant that flare is a hybrid attack and drones are hybrid attacks.
The helicopter was no closer than other Danish aircrafts have been
several times.
And what were the Danish aircraft doing that close, several times?
Taking photos - a perfectly normal action.
Le 19/09/2026 |a 04:45, Steve Hayes a |-crit :
On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 12:37:12 +0100, Hibou wrote:
Floating tanks have been done:
<https://thumb.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/DD-
Tank.jpg/1280px-DD-Tank.jpg>
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Cannot communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s).
(Error code: ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap)
-a-a The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the
authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
Will try again when I'm in Windows rather than Linux.
I sometimes see that sort of error. It's frustrating, but usually
temporary.
1. "Hybrid Attacks are a kind of cyberattack where the perpetratorhybrid-threats>
blends two or more kinds of tools to carry out the assault. / A typical
hybrid attack is one that merges a dictionary attack and a brute-force
attack" -
<https://www.hypr.com/security-encyclopedia/hybrid-attack>
2. "Hybrid threats combine military and non-military as well as covert
and overt means, including disinformation, cyber attacks, economic
pressure, deployment of irregular armed groups and use of regular
forces" -
<https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/deterrence-and-defence/countering-
Ah, so a combination of both "hot" and "cold" war, using both taps?
I hope that's not a plug for hybrid attacks.
On 19/09/2026 06:29, Hibou wrote:
Le 19/09/2026 |a 04:45, Steve Hayes a |-crit :
On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 12:37:12 +0100, Hibou wrote:
1. "Hybrid Attacks are a kind of cyberattack where the perpetratorhybrid-threats>
blends two or more kinds of tools to carry out the assault. / A typical >>>> hybrid attack is one that merges a dictionary attack and a brute-force >>>> attack" -
<https://www.hypr.com/security-encyclopedia/hybrid-attack>
2. "Hybrid threats combine military and non-military as well as covert >>>> and overt means, including disinformation, cyber attacks, economic
pressure, deployment of irregular armed groups and use of regular
forces" -
<https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/deterrence-and-defence/countering-
Ah, so a combination of both "hot" and "cold" war, using both taps?
I hope that's not a plug for hybrid attacks.
I read Steve's words, and concluded that SA must be a country where the >habit of having two separate taps must still exist.
So many places now use a single tap combining the hot and cold.
A useful and informative post.--
On 19/09/2026 06:29, Hibou wrote:
Le 19/09/2026 a 04:45, Steve Hayes a ocrit :
On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 12:37:12 +0100, Hibou wrote:
Floating tanks have been done:
<https://thumb.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/DD-
Tank.jpg/1280px-DD-Tank.jpg>
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Cannot communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s). >>>
(Error code: ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap)
aa The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the
authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
Will try again when I'm in Windows rather than Linux.
I sometimes see that sort of error. It's frustrating, but usually
temporary.
1. "Hybrid Attacks are a kind of cyberattack where the perpetratorhybrid-threats>
blends two or more kinds of tools to carry out the assault. / A typical >>>> hybrid attack is one that merges a dictionary attack and a brute-force >>>> attack" -
<https://www.hypr.com/security-encyclopedia/hybrid-attack>
2. "Hybrid threats combine military and non-military as well as covert >>>> and overt means, including disinformation, cyber attacks, economic
pressure, deployment of irregular armed groups and use of regular
forces" -
<https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/deterrence-and-defence/countering-
Ah, so a combination of both "hot" and "cold" war, using both taps?
I hope that's not a plug for hybrid attacks.
I read Steve's words, and concluded that SA must be a country where the >habit of having two separate taps must still exist.
So many places now use a single tap combining the hot and cold.
A useful and informative post.
Le 18/09/2026 |a 09:36, Steve Hayes a |-crit :
I thought I'd asked about this in English usage NGs before, but can't
find it, and anyway have no recollection of having received an answer,
so if anyone knows, I'd like to know what is meant by "hybrid attacks"
and "hybrid warfare", which I've been seeing with inceasing frequency
online.
I picture airborne submarines, or perhaps floating tanks, but perhaps
it's just a common or garden chimaera.
Anybody know?
No, butrCa
1. "Hybrid Attacks are a kind of cyberattack where the perpetrator
blends two or more kinds of tools to carry out the assault. / A typical >hybrid attack is one that merges a dictionary attack and a brute-force >attack" -
<https://www.hypr.com/security-encyclopedia/hybrid-attack>
2. "Hybrid threats combine military and non-military as well as covert
and overt means, including disinformation, cyber attacks, economic
pressure, deployment of irregular armed groups and use of regular forces" - ><https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/deterrence-and-defence/countering-hybrid-threats>
On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 21:42:43 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 19/09/2026 06:29, Hibou wrote:
Le 19/09/2026 |a 04:45, Steve Hayes a |-crit :
On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 12:37:12 +0100, Hibou wrote:
Floating tanks have been done:
<https://thumb.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/DD-
Tank.jpg/1280px-DD-Tank.jpg>
Secure Connection Failed
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a An error occurred during a connection to thumb.wikimedia.org.
Cannot communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s). >>>>
(Error code: ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap)
-a-a The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the
authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
Will try again when I'm in Windows rather than Linux.
I sometimes see that sort of error. It's frustrating, but usually
temporary.
1. "Hybrid Attacks are a kind of cyberattack where the perpetrator
blends two or more kinds of tools to carry out the assault. / A typical >>>>> hybrid attack is one that merges a dictionary attack and a brute-force >>>>> attack" -
<https://www.hypr.com/security-encyclopedia/hybrid-attack>
2. "Hybrid threats combine military and non-military as well as covert >>>>> and overt means, including disinformation, cyber attacks, economic
pressure, deployment of irregular armed groups and use of regular
forces" -
<https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/deterrence-and-defence/countering- >>>> hybrid-threats>
Ah, so a combination of both "hot" and "cold" war, using both taps?
I hope that's not a plug for hybrid attacks.
I read Steve's words, and concluded that SA must be a country where the >>habit of having two separate taps must still exist.
So many places now use a single tap combining the hot and cold.
A useful and informative post.
What is the "tap"? Is it the knobs or handle that are moved to blend
the hot and cold water flow, or is it the entire device including the
part where the water flows out?
In older houses, each sink had two knob-controlled devices from which
water flowed. Newer houses had one device from which water flowed and
two knobs. Then there came one device with a single handle that
moves to start, stop, and blend the hot and cold water.
From the description you provided, I guess the "tap" is the knob or
the handle.
Tony Cooper wrote:
From the description you provided, I guess the "tap" is the knob or
the handle.
In MyE a tap is the whole device, handle(s) nozzle(s) and all.
Ordinary taps have one pipe, one nozzle (& one handle).
Hybrid taps have two pipes and one nozzle (the handles are irrelevant
to the hybridity of the tap).
But might be perceived as harassment by the subject if too many photos
are taken by too many aircraft flying too close, so prompting them to
fire off a flare -- the equivalent of hooting on a busy highway of
another vehicle gets too close.
I read Steve's words, and concluded that SA must be a country where the habit of having two separate taps must still exist.
So many places now use a single tap combining the hot and cold.
Hybrid taps have two pipes and one nozzle (the handles are irrelevant
to the hybridity of the tap).
Hybrid taps have two pipes and one nozzle (the handles are irrelevant
to the hybridity of the tap).
I've never heard the term "hybrid tap".
In article <vboualdr3166q4jqpc0airenj2nculpvoc@4ax.com>,
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@gmail.com> wrote:
Hybrid taps have two pipes and one nozzle (the handles are irrelevant
to the hybridity of the tap).
I've never heard the term "hybrid tap".
Le 20/09/2026 |a 05:36, Steve Hayes a |-crit :
Tony Cooper wrote:
From the description you provided, I guess the "tap" is the knob or
the handle.
In MyE a tap is the whole device, handle(s) nozzle(s) and all.
Yes. It usually works fine; there's no need to faucet.
Ordinary taps have one pipe, one nozzle (& one handle).
Hybrid taps have two pipes and one nozzle (the handles are irrelevant
to the hybridity of the tap).
I'd call that a 'mixer tap'.
In article <vboualdr3166q4jqpc0airenj2nculpvoc@4ax.com>,
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@gmail.com> wrote:
Hybrid taps have two pipes and one nozzle (the handles are irrelevant
to the hybridity of the tap).
I've never heard the term "hybrid tap".
On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 00:05:31 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 21:42:43 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 19/09/2026 06:29, Hibou wrote:
Le 19/09/2026 a 04:45, Steve Hayes a ocrit :
On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 12:37:12 +0100, Hibou wrote:
Floating tanks have been done:
<https://thumb.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/DD-
Tank.jpg/1280px-DD-Tank.jpg>
Secure Connection Failed
aaaaaaaaaa An error occurred during a connection to thumb.wikimedia.org. >>>>>
Cannot communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s). >>>>>
(Error code: ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap)
aa The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the
authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
Will try again when I'm in Windows rather than Linux.
I sometimes see that sort of error. It's frustrating, but usually
temporary.
1. "Hybrid Attacks are a kind of cyberattack where the perpetrator >>>>>> blends two or more kinds of tools to carry out the assault. / A typical >>>>>> hybrid attack is one that merges a dictionary attack and a brute-force >>>>>> attack" -
<https://www.hypr.com/security-encyclopedia/hybrid-attack>
2. "Hybrid threats combine military and non-military as well as covert >>>>>> and overt means, including disinformation, cyber attacks, economic >>>>>> pressure, deployment of irregular armed groups and use of regular
forces" -
<https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/deterrence-and-defence/countering- >>>>> hybrid-threats>
Ah, so a combination of both "hot" and "cold" war, using both taps?
I hope that's not a plug for hybrid attacks.
I read Steve's words, and concluded that SA must be a country where the >>>habit of having two separate taps must still exist.
So many places now use a single tap combining the hot and cold.
A useful and informative post.
What is the "tap"? Is it the knobs or handle that are moved to blend
the hot and cold water flow, or is it the entire device including the
part where the water flows out?
In older houses, each sink had two knob-controlled devices from which
water flowed. Newer houses had one device from which water flowed and
two knobs. Then there came one device with a single handle that
moves to start, stop, and blend the hot and cold water.
From the description you provided, I guess the "tap" is the knob or
the handle.
In MyE a tap is the whole device, handle(s) nozzle(s) and all.
Ordinary taps have one pipe, one nozzle (& one handle).
Hybrid taps have two pipes and one nozzle (the handles are irrelevant
to the hybridity of the tap).
In article <vboualdr3166q4jqpc0airenj2nculpvoc@4ax.com>,
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@gmail.com> wrote:
Hybrid taps have two pipes and one nozzle (the handles are irrelevant
to the hybridity of the tap).
I've never heard the term "hybrid tap".
In article <vboualdr3166q4jqpc0airenj2nculpvoc@4ax.com>,
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@gmail.com> wrote:
Hybrid taps have two pipes and one nozzle (the handles are irrelevant
to the hybridity of the tap).
I've never heard the term "hybrid tap".
Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
In article <vboualdr3166q4jqpc0airenj2nculpvoc@4ax.com>,
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@gmail.com> wrote:
Hybrid taps have two pipes and one nozzle (the handles are irrelevant
to the hybridity of the tap).
I've never heard the term "hybrid tap".
Google says:
===
A Hybrid Tap is a Diplexer-Type Device Used to tap the Satellite Feed
for a Hopper (Host) and Then Split the Connection Between the Hopper
(Host) and a Joey (Client)
===
This no doubt greatly clarifies what it is all about,
On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 06:36:06 +0200, Steve Hayes
<hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 00:05:31 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 21:42:43 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 19/09/2026 06:29, Hibou wrote:
Le 19/09/2026 |a 04:45, Steve Hayes a |-crit :
On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 12:37:12 +0100, Hibou wrote:
Floating tanks have been done:
<https://thumb.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/DD-
Tank.jpg/1280px-DD-Tank.jpg>
Secure Connection Failed
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a An error occurred during a connection to thumb.wikimedia.org.
Cannot communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s).
(Error code: ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap)
-a-a The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the
authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
Will try again when I'm in Windows rather than Linux.
I sometimes see that sort of error. It's frustrating, but usually
temporary.
1. "Hybrid Attacks are a kind of cyberattack where the perpetrator >>>>>>> blends two or more kinds of tools to carry out the assault. / A typical >>>>>>> hybrid attack is one that merges a dictionary attack and a brute-force >>>>>>> attack" -
<https://www.hypr.com/security-encyclopedia/hybrid-attack>
2. "Hybrid threats combine military and non-military as well as covert >>>>>>> and overt means, including disinformation, cyber attacks, economic >>>>>>> pressure, deployment of irregular armed groups and use of regular >>>>>>> forces" -
<https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/deterrence-and-defence/countering- >>>>>> hybrid-threats>
Ah, so a combination of both "hot" and "cold" war, using both taps? >>>>>
I hope that's not a plug for hybrid attacks.
I read Steve's words, and concluded that SA must be a country where the >>>>habit of having two separate taps must still exist.
So many places now use a single tap combining the hot and cold.
A useful and informative post.
What is the "tap"? Is it the knobs or handle that are moved to blend
the hot and cold water flow, or is it the entire device including the >>>part where the water flows out?
In older houses, each sink had two knob-controlled devices from which >>>water flowed. Newer houses had one device from which water flowed and >>>two knobs. Then there came one device with a single handle that
moves to start, stop, and blend the hot and cold water.
From the description you provided, I guess the "tap" is the knob or
the handle.
In MyE a tap is the whole device, handle(s) nozzle(s) and all.
Ordinary taps have one pipe, one nozzle (& one handle).
Hybrid taps have two pipes and one nozzle (the handles are irrelevant
to the hybridity of the tap).
I've never come across the term "hybrid" used to describe a tap
before. I haven't seen a sink with what you call "ordinary" taps for >decades. That would be a sink where the hot water comes out of one
tap, the cold water comes out of another tap, and the person using it
to wash their hands would have to wave their hands between the flowing
taps or wash their hands using only cold or hot water. Or, fill the
bowl with both and wash their hands in the mixture.
It seems like "hybrid" is a term made up to describe a more convenient
tap that mixes the hot and cold water.
The last time I saw what you describe as an "ordinary" arrangement was
in a utility sink in a garage.
Even in very old houses, the sinks have been replaced with "hybrid"
taps. It's a simple plumbing change to feed both hot and cold water
into one faucet.
The "ordinary" taps are no longer "ordinary", as "ordinary" means what
is the most prevelant and common.
There are hybrid cars which (in one way or another) mix Internal
Combustion and electricity as the motive power.
I too have never heard the word applied to a tap, but it fits.
Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
In article <vboualdr3166q4jqpc0airenj2nculpvoc@4ax.com>,
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@gmail.com> wrote:
Hybrid taps have two pipes and one nozzle (the handles are irrelevant
to the hybridity of the tap).
I've never heard the term "hybrid tap".
Google says:
===
A Hybrid Tap is a Diplexer-Type Device Used to tap the Satellite Feed
for a Hopper (Host) and Then Split the Connection Between the Hopper
(Host) and a Joey (Client)
===
This no doubt greatly clarifies what it is all about,
Jan
On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 12:37:12 +0100, Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 18/09/2026 |a 09:36, Steve Hayes a |-crit :
I thought I'd asked about this in English usage NGs before, but can't
find it, and anyway have no recollection of having received an answer,
so if anyone knows, I'd like to know what is meant by "hybrid attacks"
and "hybrid warfare", which I've been seeing with inceasing frequency
online.
I picture airborne submarines, or perhaps floating tanks, but perhaps
it's just a common or garden chimaera.
<snip>
Anybody know?
No, butrCa
1. "Hybrid Attacks are a kind of cyberattack where the perpetrator
blends two or more kinds of tools to carry out the assault. / A typical
hybrid attack is one that merges a dictionary attack and a brute-force
attack" -
<https://www.hypr.com/security-encyclopedia/hybrid-attack>
OK, "hybrid attacks" makes sense in that context.
2. "Hybrid threats combine military and non-military as well as covert
and overt means, including disinformation, cyber attacks, economic
pressure, deployment of irregular armed groups and use of regular forces" - >> <https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/deterrence-and-defence/countering-hybrid-threats>
Thanks to everyone who responded on this usage.
After reading the various responses I've concluded that, in the words
of Bob Dylan, "Oh no, no, no, I've been through this movie before"
<https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/bobdylan/motorpsychonightmare.html>
The term "hybrid warfare" is the latest iteration of what was heard in
South Africa as the "total onslaught" back in the 1980s.
At that time South Africa underwent a hidden military coup. P.W.
Botha, the former Minister of Defence became Prime Minister (and later imperial president), and General Magnus Malan, the head o9f the army,
became Minister of Defence, and they and their coterie of securocrats
cooked up the term "total onslaught" to frighten the white people (who
back then were the only ones who had the vote).
So they tried to develop a "total strategy" to meet the "total
onslaught" -- the total strategy of course meant more power for the securocrats.
See here:
<https://dsae.co.za/entry/total%20onslaught/e07268>
and here:
<https://omalley.nelsonmandela.org/index.php/site/q/03lv00017/04lv01495/05lv01506.htm>
And the use of such terms is the manifestation of a war psychosis.
The most outstanding example of war psychosis in a political leader
back then was, of course, Enver Hoxha of Albania, who covered the
hills of Albania with concrete bunkers, one to every four families, to
resist an invasion that never happened.
The Cold War was itself a manifestation of such a psychosis.
It appears that such a war psychosis is now gripping the European
members of Nato, who are trying to develop their own "total strategy"
to meet the perceived "total onslaught" and demanding that more money
be spent on killing people than curing them.
In South Africa the war psychosis fizzled out after P.W. Botha was
removed from the scene by a stroke, and was replaced by F.W. de Klerk,
who thought that diplomacy and talking was better than military sabre-rattling.
Perhaps Nato and the EU need to try it too.
.
In article <rvVrS.1607$z51.612@fx12.ams1>, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
There are hybrid cars which (in one way or another) mix Internal
Combustion and electricity as the motive power.
I too have never heard the word applied to a tap, but it fits.
As we already have the term "mixer tap", I'd expect a hybrid tap to
provide something a bit more interesting. Water and wine, perhaps.
On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 10:40:05 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 06:36:06 +0200, Steve Hayes
<hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 00:05:31 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 21:42:43 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 19/09/2026 06:29, Hibou wrote:
Le 19/09/2026 |a 04:45, Steve Hayes a |-crit :
On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 12:37:12 +0100, Hibou wrote:
Floating tanks have been done:
<https://thumb.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/DD-
Tank.jpg/1280px-DD-Tank.jpg>
Secure Connection Failed
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a An error occurred during a connection to thumb.wikimedia.org.
Cannot communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s).
(Error code: ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap)
-a-a The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the >>>>>>> authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
Will try again when I'm in Windows rather than Linux.
I sometimes see that sort of error. It's frustrating, but usually
temporary.
1. "Hybrid Attacks are a kind of cyberattack where the perpetrator >>>>>>>> blends two or more kinds of tools to carry out the assault. / A typical
hybrid attack is one that merges a dictionary attack and a brute-force >>>>>>>> attack" -
<https://www.hypr.com/security-encyclopedia/hybrid-attack>
2. "Hybrid threats combine military and non-military as well as covert >>>>>>>> and overt means, including disinformation, cyber attacks, economic >>>>>>>> pressure, deployment of irregular armed groups and use of regular >>>>>>>> forces" -
<https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/deterrence-and-defence/countering- >>>>>>> hybrid-threats>
Ah, so a combination of both "hot" and "cold" war, using both taps? >>>>>>
I hope that's not a plug for hybrid attacks.
I read Steve's words, and concluded that SA must be a country where the >>>>> habit of having two separate taps must still exist.
So many places now use a single tap combining the hot and cold.
A useful and informative post.
What is the "tap"? Is it the knobs or handle that are moved to blend
the hot and cold water flow, or is it the entire device including the
part where the water flows out?
In older houses, each sink had two knob-controlled devices from which
water flowed. Newer houses had one device from which water flowed and >>>> two knobs. Then there came one device with a single handle that
moves to start, stop, and blend the hot and cold water.
From the description you provided, I guess the "tap" is the knob or
the handle.
In MyE a tap is the whole device, handle(s) nozzle(s) and all.
Ordinary taps have one pipe, one nozzle (& one handle).
Hybrid taps have two pipes and one nozzle (the handles are irrelevant
to the hybridity of the tap).
I've never come across the term "hybrid" used to describe a tap
before. I haven't seen a sink with what you call "ordinary" taps for
decades. That would be a sink where the hot water comes out of one
tap, the cold water comes out of another tap, and the person using it
to wash their hands would have to wave their hands between the flowing
taps or wash their hands using only cold or hot water. Or, fill the
bowl with both and wash their hands in the mixture.
It seems like "hybrid" is a term made up to describe a more convenient
tap that mixes the hot and cold water.
The last time I saw what you describe as an "ordinary" arrangement was
in a utility sink in a garage.
Even in very old houses, the sinks have been replaced with "hybrid"
taps. It's a simple plumbing change to feed both hot and cold water
into one faucet.
The "ordinary" taps are no longer "ordinary", as "ordinary" means what
is the most prevelant and common.
Your are reasing an awful lot into a simple analogy and a pun, have
written several paragraphs analysing it.
As, I think Hibou said, don't faucet.
I was asking about English usage, not plumbing.
On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 20:19:52 +0100, Sam Plusnet wrote:
Cutting undersea pipelines and cables are a very effective type of
hybrid attack.
But presumably only when combined with some other kind of attack?
"Hybrid" suggests *both* fish and fowl.
What is the "tap"? Is it the knobs or handle that are moved to blend
the hot and cold water flow, or is it the entire device including the
part where the water flows out?
In older houses, each sink had two knob-controlled devices from which
water flowed. Newer houses had one device from which water flowed
and two knobs. Then there came one device with a single handle that
moves to start, stop, and blend the hot and cold water.
From the description you provided, I guess the "tap" is the knob or
the handle.
On 19/09/26 13:49, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 20:19:52 +0100, Sam Plusnet wrote:
Cutting undersea pipelines and cables are a very effective type of
hybrid attack.
But presumably only when combined with some other kind of attack?
"Hybrid" suggests *both* fish and fowl.
I'm getting the impression that somebody has invented a new meaning for >"hybrid", one that is unrelated to the usual meaning.
Do we know anything about the native language of the inventor?
Perhaps Nato and the EU need to try it too.
Well, perhaps you can report about the talks being mediated between
Putin and the Ukranians. They've been going on for a while.
Someone suggested the analogy with hybrid attacks on computer serversNo. That is real (and illegal) warfare.
-- the use of two or more different methods, and I am leaning towards
that explanation of "hybrid warfare" or "hybrid attacks". If that is
the case, then Benjamin Netanyahu must be the acknowledged master in
our day, using bombing *and* starvation; shooting people *and*
destroying the hospitals where their wounds could be treated, etc.
Den 21.09.2026 kl. 05.27 skrev Steve Hayes:
Someone suggested the analogy with hybrid attacks on computer servers
-- the use of two or more different methods, and I am leaning towards
that explanation of "hybrid warfare" or "hybrid attacks". If that is
the case, then Benjamin Netanyahu must be the acknowledged master in
our day, using bombing *and* starvation; shooting people *and*
destroying the hospitals where their wounds could be treated, etc.
No. That is real (and illegal) warfare.
No. That is real (and illegal) warfare.
I think the distinction is in methods. If one bombs the enemy's-a front line, fuel depots, and hospitals, that's three targets but only one
method. Bombing and a simultaneous cyberattack on the power grid would,
I think, be a hybrid attack.
Den 21.09.2026 kl. 09.52 skrev Hibou:
I think the distinction is in methods. If one bombs the enemy's-afront
line, fuel depots, and hospitals, that's three targets but only one
method. Bombing and a simultaneous cyberattack on the power grid
would, I think, be a hybrid attack.
That is not how I use the word, and I think that most Danes agree in
this. There's real warfare and there's hybrid warfare. In real war you
try to kill soldiers and civilians (targeted or collateral damage) and military installations. In hybrid war the intention is not to kill
anyone. The purpose is spread of fear, insecurity, confusion and such.
Le 21/09/2026 |a 09:38, Bertel Lund Hansen a |-crit :
Den 21.09.2026 kl. 09.52 skrev Hibou:
I think the distinction is in methods. If one bombs the enemy's front
line, fuel depots, and hospitals, that's three targets but only one
method. Bombing and a simultaneous cyberattack on the power grid
would, I think, be a hybrid attack.
That is not how I use the word, and I think that most Danes agree in
this. There's real warfare and there's hybrid warfare. In real war you
try to kill soldiers and civilians (targeted or collateral damage) and
military installations. In hybrid war the intention is not to kill
anyone. The purpose is spread of fear, insecurity, confusion and such.
I know nothing of Danish usage, but I don't see how that is hybrid ("a mixture of two very different things" - Cambridge dictionary).
I know nothing of Danish usage, but I don't see how that is hybrid ("a mixture of two very different things" - Cambridge dictionary).
Le 21/09/2026 |a 08:37, Bertel Lund Hansen a |-crit :
Den 21.09.2026 kl. 05.27 skrev Steve Hayes:
Someone suggested the analogy with hybrid attacks on computer servers
-- the use of two or more different methods, and I am leaning towards
that explanation of "hybrid warfare" or "hybrid attacks". If that is
the case, then Benjamin Netanyahu must be the acknowledged master in
our day, using bombing *and* starvation; shooting people *and*
destroying the hospitals where their wounds could be treated, etc.
No. That is real (and illegal) warfare.
I think the distinction is in methods. If one bombs the enemy's front
line, fuel depots, and hospitals, that's three targets but only one
method. Bombing and a simultaneous cyberattack on the power grid would,
I think, be a hybrid attack.
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