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On Sat, 2 Sep 2023 14:47:24 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote in <ucvhtr$esg2$1@dont-email.me>:

On text Usenet, we post in plain text, and when writing in English, we use ASCII. Why? ASCII is universal. ASCII is never mistranslated by anybody's newsreader.

("TINW". ;) (But this post is only 7-bit.)

I'm not sure, but there might be an RFC expanding on that
definition to include usage of UTF-8...and indeed,
one GNKSAI newsreader (pan) includes the
ability to insert an emoji in its editor.

Wrote about this back in March in alt.fan.usenet:

Message-ID: <pan$c9574$eaa8c0ab$897a78a7$8b3cb66@vallor.earth>

One can also use emojis on an xfce4-terminal. I think most modern terminals will render them. The Linux tool "gnome characters" is helpful for
copying emojis to the clipboard, if your newsreader is older.
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vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:

Sat, 2 Sep 2023 14:47:24 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:

On text Usenet, we post in plain text, and when writing in English, we use >>ASCII. Why? ASCII is universal. ASCII is never mistranslated by anybody's >>newsreader.

("TINW". ;) (But this post is only 7-bit.)

I'm not sure, but there might be an RFC expanding on that
definition to include usage of UTF-8...and indeed,
one GNKSAI newsreader (pan) includes the
ability to insert an emoji in its editor.

Even you are admitting that use of emojis isn't universal because those
with other newsreaders aren't set up to insert or display them.

Wrote about this back in March in alt.fan.usenet:

Message-ID: <pan$c9574$eaa8c0ab$897a78a7$8b3cb66@vallor.earth>

One can also use emojis on an xfce4-terminal. I think most modern terminals >will render them. The Linux tool "gnome characters" is helpful for
copying emojis to the clipboard, if your newsreader is older.

Why would I want to do that if other people cannot receive it for
display?

Way to completely miss the point.
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On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:47:05 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote in <ud7f19$20qo6$1@dont-email.me>:

vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:

Sat, 2 Sep 2023 14:47:24 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:

On text Usenet, we post in plain text, and when writing in English, we >>>use ASCII. Why? ASCII is universal. ASCII is never mistranslated by >>>anybody's newsreader.

("TINW". ;) (But this post is only 7-bit.)

I'm not sure, but there might be an RFC expanding on that definition to >>include usage of UTF-8...and indeed,
one GNKSAI newsreader (pan) includes the ability to insert an emoji in
its editor.

Even you are admitting that use of emojis isn't universal because those
with other newsreaders aren't set up to insert or display them.

Wrote about this back in March in alt.fan.usenet:

Message-ID: <pan$c9574$eaa8c0ab$897a78a7$8b3cb66@vallor.earth>

One can also use emojis on an xfce4-terminal. I think most modern >>terminals will render them. The Linux tool "gnome characters" is
helpful for copying emojis to the clipboard, if your newsreader is
older.

Why would I want to do that if other people cannot receive it for
display?

_Which_ "other people" are you speaking for?

Hey, this doesn't have to be complicated. Some people like plain
ASCII. Some people enjoy emojis, and can view them with their
newsreader.

Some people like listening to the radio, some people
like watching TV.

Way to completely miss the point.

If you say so.
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vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:

Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:47:05 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:

Sat, 2 Sep 2023 14:47:24 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:

On text Usenet, we post in plain text, and when writing in English, we >>>>use ASCII. Why? ASCII is universal. ASCII is never mistranslated by >>>>anybody's newsreader.

("TINW". ;) (But this post is only 7-bit.)

I'm not sure, but there might be an RFC expanding on that definition to >>>include usage of UTF-8...and indeed,
one GNKSAI newsreader (pan) includes the ability to insert an emoji in >>>its editor.

Even you are admitting that use of emojis isn't universal because those >>with other newsreaders aren't set up to insert or display them.

Wrote about this back in March in alt.fan.usenet:

Message-ID: <pan$c9574$eaa8c0ab$897a78a7$8b3cb66@vallor.earth>

One can also use emojis on an xfce4-terminal. I think most modern >>>terminals will render them. The Linux tool "gnome characters" is
helpful for copying emojis to the clipboard, if your newsreader is
older.

Why would I want to do that if other people cannot receive it for
display?

_Which_ "other people" are you speaking for?

That would be people who are other than me, who aren't using a character
set including emojis (regardless of whether it's displayable in their
terminal emulation) and who just want to receive plain text characters.

Hey, this doesn't have to be complicated. Some people like plain
ASCII. Some people enjoy emojis, and can view them with their
newsreader.

No one not using a character set that includes emojis wants to receive
emojis. Furthermore, if they quote characters they cannot display, the
followup is messed up. Emojis are not plain text. It's not complicated
to understand.

Some people like listening to the radio, some people
like watching TV.

You're acting like someone whose has a radio can receive a television broadcast.

Way to completely miss the point.

If you say so.

You've convinced me. You didn't miss the point. You are being obtuse, willfully.
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On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 16:11:38 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote in <ud7jvq$21q0c$1@dont-email.me>:

vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:

Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:47:05 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:

Sat, 2 Sep 2023 14:47:24 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:

On text Usenet, we post in plain text, and when writing in English, >>>>>we use ASCII. Why? ASCII is universal. ASCII is never mistranslated >>>>>by anybody's newsreader.

("TINW". ;) (But this post is only 7-bit.)

I'm not sure, but there might be an RFC expanding on that definition
to include usage of UTF-8...and indeed,
one GNKSAI newsreader (pan) includes the ability to insert an emoji in >>>>its editor.

Even you are admitting that use of emojis isn't universal because those >>>with other newsreaders aren't set up to insert or display them.

Wrote about this back in March in alt.fan.usenet:

Message-ID: <pan$c9574$eaa8c0ab$897a78a7$8b3cb66@vallor.earth>

One can also use emojis on an xfce4-terminal. I think most modern >>>>terminals will render them. The Linux tool "gnome characters" is >>>>helpful for copying emojis to the clipboard, if your newsreader is >>>>older.

Why would I want to do that if other people cannot receive it for >>>display?

_Which_ "other people" are you speaking for?

That would be people who are other than me, who aren't using a character
set including emojis (regardless of whether it's displayable in their terminal emulation) and who just want to receive plain text characters.

I was pointing out "TINW". But yes, there are some newsgroups where
UTF-8 isn't welcome. I'm not suggesting posting them
to (say) comp.lang.c. (Or news.groups, where I'm studiously remaining
with ASCII emoticons. :) )

Hey, this doesn't have to be complicated. Some people like plain ASCII.
Some people enjoy emojis, and can view them with their newsreader.

No one not using a character set that includes emojis wants to receive emojis. Furthermore, if they quote characters they cannot display, the followup is messed up. Emojis are not plain text. It's not complicated
to understand.

I do see your point, that is a problem. In some groups,
they aren't appropriate. As more and more newsreaders modernize,
this will be less of a problem, I dare say.

(Last commit for pan was August 27th.)

Some people like listening to the radio, some people like watching TV.

You're acting like someone whose has a radio can receive a television broadcast.

Or someone is acting like we should stick with radio, and never have
television on any of the spectrum. :/

Or we should stick with analog TV, instead of HDTV.

Way to completely miss the point.

If you say so.

You've convinced me. You didn't miss the point. You are being obtuse, willfully.

No, I just don't share your views. And I don't think I've been
rude to you, that wouldn't be called-for -- I just disagree.

BTW, if it matters: my first newsreader was rn
on HP/UX 8. That was 1991. A lot has changed
since then: it's a new millenium.
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vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:

Tue, 5 Sep 2023 16:11:38 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:

Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:47:05 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:

Hey, this doesn't have to be complicated. Some people like plain ASCII. >>>Some people enjoy emojis, and can view them with their newsreader.

No one not using a character set that includes emojis wants to receive >>emojis. Furthermore, if they quote characters they cannot display, the >>followup is messed up. Emojis are not plain text. It's not complicated
to understand.

I do see your point, that is a problem. In some groups,
they aren't appropriate. As more and more newsreaders modernize,
this will be less of a problem, I dare say.

(Last commit for pan was August 27th.)

It's not really about a newsreader modernizing. It's about whether one
is communicating in plain text. If one requires an emoji to communicate,
that's not plain text communication.

Some people like listening to the radio, some people like watching TV.

You're acting like someone whose has a radio can receive a television >>broadcast.

Or someone is acting like we should stick with radio, and never have >television on any of the spectrum. :/

Or we should stick with analog TV, instead of HDTV.

Radio and television are two entirely different media of communication.
I listen to radio comedies and dramas from decades ago because it was entertaining. I watch television because it can be entertaining
(although all too rarely these days). I listen to modern radio
broadcasts. It's not either/or.

Way to completely miss the point.

If you say so.

You've convinced me. You didn't miss the point. You are being obtuse, >>willfully.

No, I just don't share your views. And I don't think I've been
rude to you, that wouldn't be called-for -- I just disagree.

Change doesn't require anybody to change well-known definitions nor to
throw out existing media of communications just because other people communicate differently.

BTW, if it matters: my first newsreader was rn
on HP/UX 8. That was 1991. A lot has changed
since then: it's a new millenium.

Of course the world has changed. That doesn't require me to stop
listening to radio or stop watching tv. You're clearly around my age, as
you ignore that kids today DO NOT watch tv. Everything they watch is on
the smart phone screen. They don't even use laptop computers and have no
idea what a desktop computer is, let alone a work station or (gasp) a minicomputer or a mainframe. But because they use smart phone screens
doesn't require you to dispose of your tv sets.

Plain text is its own medium of communication. It uses words to
communicate. It doesn't rely on specific fonts nor enhancements like bold
and italic and underline. Emojis are something else entirely. So many
are created so quickly that it eludes me how anybody uses them to
communicate.
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vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> writes:

Hey, this doesn't have to be complicated. Some people like plain
ASCII. Some people enjoy emojis, and can view them with their
newsreader.

Some people like listening to the radio, some people
like watching TV.

And other people like Fakebook and TicTack.
I'll stick to 7 bits, myself...
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It is ASCII ! usenet originally is TEXT ASCII CHR



On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 12:58:09 GMT, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:

On Sat, 2 Sep 2023 14:47:24 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> >wrote in <ucvhtr$esg2$1@dont-email.me>:

On text Usenet, we post in plain text, and when writing in English, we use >> ASCII. Why? ASCII is universal. ASCII is never mistranslated by anybody's
newsreader.

("TINW". ;) (But this post is only 7-bit.)

I'm not sure, but there might be an RFC expanding on that
definition to include usage of UTF-8...and indeed,
one GNKSAI newsreader (pan) includes the
ability to insert an emoji in its editor.

Wrote about this back in March in alt.fan.usenet:

Message-ID: <pan$c9574$eaa8c0ab$897a78a7$8b3cb66@vallor.earth>

One can also use emojis on an xfce4-terminal. I think most modern terminals >will render them. The Linux tool "gnome characters" is helpful for
copying emojis to the clipboard, if your newsreader is older.

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On 03/03/24 7:36 am, floffy@gallaxial.com wrote:

It is ASCII ! usenet originally is TEXT ASCII CHR

On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 12:58:09 GMT, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:

On Sat, 2 Sep 2023 14:47:24 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> >> wrote in <ucvhtr$esg2$1@dont-email.me>:

On text Usenet, we post in plain text, and when writing in English, we use >>> ASCII. Why? ASCII is universal. ASCII is never mistranslated by anybody's >>> newsreader.

("TINW". ;) (But this post is only 7-bit.)

I'm not sure, but there might be an RFC expanding on that
definition to include usage of UTF-8...and indeed,
one GNKSAI newsreader (pan) includes the
ability to insert an emoji in its editor.

Wrote about this back in March in alt.fan.usenet:

Message-ID: <pan$c9574$eaa8c0ab$897a78a7$8b3cb66@vallor.earth>

One can also use emojis on an xfce4-terminal. I think most modern terminals >> will render them. The Linux tool "gnome characters" is helpful for
copying emojis to the clipboard, if your newsreader is older.

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That is a very Anglo-centric perspective. ASCII is fine, but UTF-8
support is necessary, not just for emojis, but other character sets and languages as well.
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