• [PROPOSAL] alt.comp.software.seamonkey

    From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to alt.config on Mon Mar 29 10:47:45 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.config

    For your newsgroups file:
    alt.comp.software.seamonkey Community support of browser/mail/news.

    CHARTER

    A group for unofficial support of Seamonkey by the community of users, discussion will include configuration, add-ons and features in new
    versions. The group will not be moderated. Advertising and binaries and multipart postings with HTML alternative parts are off-topic.

    JUSTIFICATION

    Existing discussions of Seamonkey take place on the private nntp server news.mozilla.org, the group mozilla.support.seamonkey had 3144 messages
    in the last 12 months. Unfortunately this server will be closed down
    after 3rd April 2021.

    Other available groups include alt.fan.mozilla (essentially dead in
    recent years and doesn't separate topics between seamonkey and
    thunderbird or firefox)
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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to alt.config on Mon Mar 29 16:19:39 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.config

    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    For your newsgroups file:
    This is correct.

    alt.comp.software.seamonkey Community support of browser/mail/news.

    Syntax is incorrect. Remember, it MUST be
    group.name<tab character>Description.

    CHARTER

    A group for unofficial support of Seamonkey by the community of users, >discussion will include configuration, add-ons and features in new
    versions. The group will not be moderated. Advertising and binaries and >multipart postings with HTML alternative parts are off-topic.

    JUSTIFICATION

    Existing discussions of Seamonkey take place on the private nntp server >news.mozilla.org, the group mozilla.support.seamonkey had 3144 messages
    in the last 12 months.

    I should have emphasized in the other two proposals that traditionally,
    there is a 90-day lookback, not a one year lookback. The proponent
    performs the justification FOR HIMSELF so that he knows where to
    publicize the proposed newsgroup to, and to whom. Justification isn't
    about quantity but quality of discussion. ONLY noncrossposted articles
    count that are in threads in which on-topic discussion takes place along
    the lines that the proponent wants to see in the proposed group.
    Reposted articles from the Web do not count toward justification.

    These are the people who may be subscribers to the proposed group.

    Unfortunately this server will be closed down
    after 3rd April 2021.

    Other available groups include alt.fan.mozilla (essentially dead in
    recent years and doesn't separate topics between seamonkey and
    thunderbird or firefox)

    Just a second. That a more general group has existed for a long time
    does not mean that Seamonkey-specific discussion cannot be held there.
    That the group is dead is bad for this proposal. Proposed newsgroups
    are justified based on existing Usenet discussion. You have the added difficulty here of convincing users of a non-Usenet institutional server
    to subscribe to a genuine Usenet server if they haven't already done so, request creation of the proposed group, then start posting.

    You really don't need to mention alt.fan.mozilla unless your intent was
    to revive that group as it saves the step of users requesting its
    creation locally if it's already been created.

    I will raise another concern here: Seamonkey was spun off years ago.
    Were users generally using the news.mozilla.org, or was user support
    generally on mailing lists? If the latter, can you please let the Seamonkey community know what's going on and get their input before proceeding
    here? They may want a Usenet newsgroup in addition, or they may feel that
    users of news.mozilla.org should be invited to subscribe to mailing lists,
    or however they're doing it. You can proceed without their support, but
    it's best to try to gain additional allies since a few of them may wish
    to post to the Usenet newsgroup.
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  • From Ian Neal@iann_bugzilla@blueyonder.co.uk to alt.config on Mon Mar 29 18:19:13 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.config

    On 29/03/2021 10:47 am, Andy Burns wrote:
    For your newsgroups file:
    alt.comp.software.seamonkey-a-a-a Community support of browser/mail/news.

    CHARTER

    A group for unofficial support of Seamonkey by the community of users, discussion will include configuration, add-ons and features in new versions.-a The group will not be moderated. Advertising and binaries and multipart postings with HTML alternative parts are off-topic.

    JUSTIFICATION

    Existing discussions of Seamonkey take place on the private nntp server news.mozilla.org, the group mozilla.support.seamonkey had 3144 messages
    in the last 12 months. Unfortunately this server will be closed down
    after 3rd April 2021.

    Other available groups include alt.fan.mozilla (essentially dead in
    recent years and doesn't separate topics between seamonkey and
    thunderbird or firefox)
    I support this request.
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to alt.config on Mon Mar 29 18:22:41 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.config

    Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    Remember, it MUST be
    group.name<tab character>Description.

    Yes, copy/paste seems to change tab to spaces, but I'll make sure it's
    really a tab on the day.
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  • From frg@frgrahl@gmx.net to alt.config on Tue Mar 30 21:06:35 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.config

    Ian Neal wrote:
    On 29/03/2021 10:47 am, Andy Burns wrote:
    For your newsgroups file:
    alt.comp.software.seamonkey-a-a-a Community support of browser/mail/news.

    CHARTER

    A group for unofficial support of Seamonkey by the community of users,
    discussion will include configuration, add-ons and features in new
    versions.-a The group will not be moderated. Advertising and binaries and >> multipart postings with HTML alternative parts are off-topic.

    JUSTIFICATION

    Existing discussions of Seamonkey take place on the private nntp server
    news.mozilla.org, the group mozilla.support.seamonkey had 3144 messages in >> the last 12 months. Unfortunately this server will be closed down after 3rd >> April 2021.

    Other available groups include alt.fan.mozilla (essentially dead in recent >> years and doesn't separate topics between seamonkey and thunderbird or firefox)
    I support this request.

    If the discriptions is used for more than the proposal then Seamonkey should be changed to SeaMonkey.

    FRG
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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to alt.config on Tue Mar 30 19:38:03 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.config

    frg <frgrahl@gmx.net> wrote:
    Ian Neal wrote:
    On 29/03/2021 10:47 am, Andy Burns wrote:

    For your newsgroups file:
    alt.comp.software.seamonkey-a-a-a Community support of browser/mail/news.

    CHARTER

    A group for unofficial support of Seamonkey by the community of users, >>>discussion will include configuration, add-ons and features in new >>>versions.-a The group will not be moderated. Advertising and binaries and >>>multipart postings with HTML alternative parts are off-topic.

    JUSTIFICATION

    Existing discussions of Seamonkey take place on the private nntp server >>>news.mozilla.org, the group mozilla.support.seamonkey had 3144 messages in >>>the last 12 months. Unfortunately this server will be closed down after 3rd >>>April 2021.

    Other available groups include alt.fan.mozilla (essentially dead
    in recent years and doesn't separate topics between seamonkey and >>>thunderbird or firefox)

    I support this request.

    If the discriptions is used for more than the proposal then Seamonkey should >be changed to SeaMonkey.

    You mean SeaMonkey in the Charter.

    Letter in the group name are always all lowercase.
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  • From frg@frgrahl@gmx.net to alt.config on Tue Mar 30 22:21:17 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.config

    Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    frg <frgrahl@gmx.net> wrote:
    Ian Neal wrote:
    On 29/03/2021 10:47 am, Andy Burns wrote:

    For your newsgroups file:
    alt.comp.software.seamonkey|e-a|e-a|e-a Community support of browser/mail/news.

    CHARTER

    A group for unofficial support of Seamonkey by the community of users, >>>> discussion will include configuration, add-ons and features in new
    versions.|e-a The group will not be moderated. Advertising and binaries and
    multipart postings with HTML alternative parts are off-topic.

    JUSTIFICATION

    Existing discussions of Seamonkey take place on the private nntp server >>>> news.mozilla.org, the group mozilla.support.seamonkey had 3144 messages in >>>> the last 12 months. Unfortunately this server will be closed down after 3rd
    April 2021.

    Other available groups include alt.fan.mozilla (essentially dead
    in recent years and doesn't separate topics between seamonkey and
    thunderbird or firefox)

    I support this request.

    If the discriptions is used for more than the proposal then Seamonkey should >> be changed to SeaMonkey.

    You mean SeaMonkey in the Charter.

    Letter in the group name are always all lowercase.


    Yes, sorry for being unclear. The offical name is SeaMonkey with a capital M. Group names are of course lowercase.

    FRG
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to alt.config on Wed Mar 31 09:00:16 2021
    From Newsgroup: alt.config

    frg wrote:

    The offical name is SeaMonkey with a capital M. Group names are of
    course lowercase.

    noted, thanks.
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