For your newsgroups file:
alt.ukr.binaries Binaries Ukraine
CHARTER: alt.ukr.binaries provides a place to share binaries between >Ukrainians.
JUSTIFICATION:
There's literally no dedicated group to share binaries related to Ukraine >(e.g. movies with Ukrainian dubs/subs). Should be at least one.
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There's literally no dedicated group to share binaries related to Ukraine (e.g. movies with Ukrainian dubs/subs). Should be at least one.
Ukie <something@domain.ua> wrote:Ok.
For your newsgroups file:
alt.ukr.binaries Binaries Ukraine
No one will create this group with this name.
It's alt.binaries.*
Why are you abbreviating?
Fix the description.
CHARTER: alt.ukr.binaries provides a place to share binaries between >>Ukrainians.
Does anyone in Ukraine have access to a binary Usenet server?
JUSTIFICATION:
There's literally no dedicated group to share binaries related to
Ukraine (e.g. movies with Ukrainian dubs/subs). Should be at least one.
That's literally nonsense that doesn't belong in a proposal. That's not
what Justification means.
Thank you for your consideration.
On Sat, 13 May 2023 21:28:47 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Ukie <something@domain.ua> wrote:
For your newsgroups file:
alt.ukr.binaries Binaries Ukraine
No one will create this group with this name.
It's alt.binaries.*
Why are you abbreviating?
Fix the description.
Ok.
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For your newsgroups file:
alt.binaries.ukraine Dedicated group for binaries related to Ukraine
CHARTER: The purpose of this newsgroup is to offer a dedicated forum to >exchange files targeted for Ukrainians and those who are interested in >Ukrainian language and culture. Acceptable post will include, for example, >Ukrainian classical movies, movies/anime with Ukrainian dubs/subs,
Ukrainian music, software with Ukrainian localization, etc.
Unmarked off-topic materials, advertising (spam), excessive posting,
cancel attacks, virus infected binaries, and abusive cross postings are >prohibited.
JUSTIFICATION:
No group exists to share binaries related to Ukraine (e.g. movies with >Ukrainian dub, recordings of Ukrainian songs and so on), while interest in >Ukraine is growing (alt.current-events.ukraine is the second most popular >group in alt.current-events.* hierarchy, right after alt.current- >events.usa).
There should be at least one binary newsgroup with focus on Ukraine.
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I abbreviated, because I saw alt.ukr.* and ukr.* and thought a new group >should fit
into them. Should I create a new thread?
CHARTER: alt.ukr.binaries provides a place to share binaries between >>>Ukrainians.
Does anyone in Ukraine have access to a binary Usenet server?
I am from Ukraine and I want to upload movies with Ukrainian subs/dubs. >Uploaded something in non-binary Ukrainian group, but it doesn't feel >proper.
Ukie <something@domain.ua> wrote:
On Sat, 13 May 2023 21:28:47 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Ukie <something@domain.ua> wrote:
For your newsgroups file:
alt.ukr.binaries Binaries Ukraine
No one will create this group with this name.
It's alt.binaries.*
Why are you abbreviating?
Fix the description.
Ok.
---
For your newsgroups file:
alt.binaries.ukraine Dedicated group for binaries related to Ukraine
Description is for a phrase with additional key words that don't repeat
words from the group name. None of those words are key words, and you
don't repeat "Ukraine" as it already comes up in the search.
CHARTER: The purpose of this newsgroup is to offer a dedicated forum to >>exchange files targeted for Ukrainians and those who are interested in >>Ukrainian language and culture. Acceptable post will include, for
example,
Ukrainian classical movies, movies/anime with Ukrainian dubs/subs, >>Ukrainian music, software with Ukrainian localization, etc.
Unmarked off-topic materials, advertising (spam), excessive posting,
cancel attacks, virus infected binaries, and abusive cross postings are >>prohibited.
Don't bother with boilerplate.
JUSTIFICATION:
No group exists to share binaries related to Ukraine (e.g. movies with >>Ukrainian dub, recordings of Ukrainian songs and so on), while interest
in Ukraine is growing (alt.current-events.ukraine is the second most >>popular group in alt.current-events.* hierarchy, right after
alt.current- events.usa).
There should be at least one binary newsgroup with focus on Ukraine.
This isn't what justification means, which is a count. Just skip it.
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I abbreviated, because I saw alt.ukr.* and ukr.* and thought a new group >>should fit into them. Should I create a new thread?
No
CHARTER: alt.ukr.binaries provides a place to share binaries between >>>>Ukrainians.
Does anyone in Ukraine have access to a binary Usenet server?
I am from Ukraine and I want to upload movies with Ukrainian subs/dubs. >>Uploaded something in non-binary Ukrainian group, but it doesn't feel >>proper.
You must not upload binaries into text newsgroups.
The point I'm making is that there are a mere handful of binary servers
these days. I don't even know what's still out there.
Text-only Usenet news servers do not create binary newsgroups,
especially ones that are meant for movies.
For your newsgroups file:
alt.binaries.ukraine Movies, music, e-books in Ukrainian, software with >Ukrainian localization
Ukie <something@domain.ua> wrote:
For your newsgroups file:
alt.binaries.ukraine Movies, music, e-books in Ukrainian, software with >>Ukrainian localization
Keep it under 80 characters. group.name<tab>description
On Sun, 14 May 2023 00:30:03 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Ukie <something@domain.ua> wrote:
For your newsgroups file:
alt.binaries.ukraine Movies, music, e-books in Ukrainian, software with >>>Ukrainian localization
Keep it under 80 characters. group.name<tab>description
Ok, so this should work:
alt.binaries.ukraine Movies, music, e-books, software in Ukrainian
The point I'm making is that there are a mere handful of binary servers
these days. I don't even know what's still out there.
On May 13, 2023 at 6:11:10 PM CDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
The point I'm making is that there are a mere handful of binary servers >>these days. I don't even know what's still out there.
A lot more than you seem to think, certainly a lot more than a handful. While >they aren't published neatly on Top1000, I would argue there are more servers >involved than exchanging binaries than there are servers exchanging text >articles. You just don't see them from your view point of Usenet.
There's literally no dedicated group to share binaries related to Ukraine (e.g. movies with Ukrainian dubs/subs). Should be at least one.
Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> wrote:
On May 13, 2023 at 6:11:10 PM CDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
The point I'm making is that there are a mere handful of binary servers
these days. I don't even know what's still out there.
A lot more than you seem to think, certainly a lot more than a handful. While
they aren't published neatly on Top1000, I would argue there are more servers
involved than exchanging binaries than there are servers exchanging text
articles. You just don't see them from your view point of Usenet.
That Ukrainians would use? You're not addressing anything relevant to
this proposal.
On May 14, 2023 at 11:29:09 AM CDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> wrote:
On May 13, 2023 at 6:11:10 PM CDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
The point I'm making is that there are a mere handful of binary servers >>>>these days. I don't even know what's still out there.
A lot more than you seem to think, certainly a lot more than a
handful. While they aren't published neatly on Top1000, I would argue >>>there are more servers involved than exchanging binaries than there
are servers exchanging text articles. You just don't see them from
your view point of Usenet.
That Ukrainians would use? You're not addressing anything relevant to
this proposal.
Is the Internet in Ukraine limited to only Ukraine providers?
I'm thinking that the country is at war and has much bigger problems.
"War is father of all, and king of all. He renders some gods, others men;he makes some slaves, others free."
That Ukrainians would use? You're not addressing anything relevant to
this proposal.
Ukie <something@domain.ua> wrote:
There's literally no dedicated group to share binaries related to
Ukraine (e.g. movies with Ukrainian dubs/subs). Should be at least one.
On news.tambov.ru there's already a ukr.comp.binaries group, so if it's official (you'd have to find out where the official list of groups in
the ukr.* hierachy lives to be sure), then you might want to look at
getting your news server to carry that one if it doesn't already.
Oh actually I see you've already posted there (and to a "ukr.binf" group that's not carried by news.tambov.ru), from the same server you're using here, so why do you want to split posts between two (three?) groups?
On Mon, 15 May 2023 00:33:44 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman wrote:
I'm thinking that the country is at war and has much bigger problems.
That's a weak argument from a person who never experienced war in their >country. War doesn't mean that life stopped, especially for regions far
way from the frontline.
Moreover,
"War is father of all, and king of all. He renders some gods, others men; >he makes some slaves, others free."
Ukrainians would like to preserve and share their culture even more as a >result of existential threat, Usenet is the option.
Finally, many Ukrainian live in EU, especially after February 24, 2022.
Why are you so focused on Ukrainian political borders?
On Sun, 14 May 2023 16:29:09 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman wrote:
That Ukrainians would use? You're not addressing anything relevant to
this proposal.
Ukrainians are the prominent users of BitTorrent. What's the problem with >the Usenet? It's even more reliable.
There are Ukrainian content uploads, simply check bin indexes. Would be
fair to have a dedicated group for that.
What front? The Russians have been destroying civilian infrastructure
and residences and hospitals and business and government areas far far
away from the portions of Ukraine they occupy. There is no military
purpose, just inflicting misery.
Communication is less reliable to nonexistent. No, life for those who
aren't dead hasn't stopped but it's surely miserable.
Why would you downplay this?
It doesn't magically repair lines of communication.
It's possible this newsgroup could get created on binary servers and
it's possible that a few of the world's Ukrainian speakers will find it.
It's ridiculous to argue with me that within Ukraine, any significant
number of people are able to use Usenet or any other form of
communication without severe outages that the rest of us who aren't
living with constant attacks from Russia take for granted.
Very well. If you're a serious proponent, then you'll need to identify
the potential users and promote the group to them. That's your actual
job as proponent, and you stick with it till there are plenty of people
using the newsgroup. Don't just tell me that potential users exist. You actually have to find them.
All that happens in alt.config is proposal discussion. No promotion
takes place in this newsgroup.
You should post a final draft of the proposal before issuing the
newgroup message so it's free of syntax errors.
Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> wrote:
On May 14, 2023 at 11:29:09 AM CDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> wrote:
On May 13, 2023 at 6:11:10 PM CDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
The point I'm making is that there are a mere handful of binary servers >>>>> these days. I don't even know what's still out there.
A lot more than you seem to think, certainly a lot more than a
handful. While they aren't published neatly on Top1000, I would argue
there are more servers involved than exchanging binaries than there
are servers exchanging text articles. You just don't see them from
your view point of Usenet.
That Ukrainians would use? You're not addressing anything relevant to
this proposal.
Is the Internet in Ukraine limited to only Ukraine providers?
I'm thinking that the country is at war and has much bigger problems.
On Mon, 15 May 2023 17:57:47 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman wrote:
What front? The Russians have been destroying civilian infrastructure
and residences and hospitals and business and government areas far far
away from the portions of Ukraine they occupy. There is no military >>purpose, just inflicting misery.
Communication is less reliable to nonexistent. No, life for those who >>aren't dead hasn't stopped but it's surely miserable.
Why would you downplay this?
So, how do I communicate with you? I must be posting from my shoes.
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On Mon, 15 May 2023 18:03:15 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman wrote:
You should post a final draft of the proposal before issuing the
newgroup message so it's free of syntax errors.
The request is finalized in one of the messages above. Once a week passes >and we discuss all the details, I will send the request to my provider and >see what happens.
Ukie <something@domain.ua> wrote:
On Mon, 15 May 2023 00:33:44 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman wrote:
I'm thinking that the country is at war and has much bigger problems.
That's a weak argument from a person who never experienced war in their
country. War doesn't mean that life stopped, especially for regions far
way from the frontline.
What front? The Russians have been destroying civilian infrastructure
and residences and hospitals and business and government areas far far
away from the portions of Ukraine they occupy. There is no military
purpose, just inflicting misery.
Communication is less reliable to nonexistent. No, life for those who
aren't dead hasn't stopped but it's surely miserable.
Why would you downplay this?
Moreover,
"War is father of all, and king of all. He renders some gods, others men; >> he makes some slaves, others free."
It doesn't magically repair lines of communication.
Ukrainians would like to preserve and share their culture even more as a
result of existential threat, Usenet is the option.
Ok.
Finally, many Ukrainian live in EU, especially after February 24, 2022.
Why are you so focused on Ukrainian political borders?
Ok.
It's possible this newsgroup could get created on binary servers and
it's possible that a few of the world's Ukrainian speakers will find
it. It's ridiculous to argue with me that within Ukraine, any
significant number of people are able to use Usenet or any other form of communication without severe outages that the rest of us who aren't
living with constant attacks from Russia take for granted.
A final draft is encapsulated within a followup article posted in this thread. You don't have to do this but I would urge you to let me look it
over and comment on the syntax. There is a proper layout and necessary
syntax of standard headers.
You're the one who sends the newgroup message, not your provider. After
it's sent and you verify that it's been archived at ftp.isc.org,
you request creation from your provider and urge others to do the same. Creation is never automatic.
On Mon, 15 May 2023 19:25:06 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman wrote:
A final draft is encapsulated within a followup article posted in this
thread. You don't have to do this but I would urge you to let me look it
over and comment on the syntax. There is a proper layout and necessary
syntax of standard headers.
You're the one who sends the newgroup message, not your provider. After
it's sent and you verify that it's been archived at ftp.isc.org,
you request creation from your provider and urge others to do the same.
Creation is never automatic.
I'm afraid I'm not permitted to send control messages, only admins are.
I've already tried.
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