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For consideration: alt.comp.retro-computing
CHARTER: alt.comp.retro-computing is to be a place where those using vintage machines can share or discuss experiences relating to the use and modification of depricated IT technologies in the modern age.
The newsgroup will not be moderated. Binary, off-topic, spam and
advertising posts are not permitted. Discussion of hacks, cracks, warez,
serial numbers or the illegal exchange of copyrighted software to be prohibited JUSTIFICATION: The retro PC community has been growing exponentially, and there is no group currently within the alt.* or any other main USENET hierarchy, which provides a forum specifically for discussing retro computing.
Numerous trade punlications and media sources confirm the growth and need for such a community.
For example: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/style/retrocomputing.html
Thank you for your consideration
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OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

For consideration: alt.comp.retro-computing

Where is your For your newsgroups file line?

This should probably be named into alt.comp.hardware.* if it were
justified, which it's not.

CHARTER: alt.comp.retro-computing is to be a place where those using vintage >machines can share or discuss experiences relating to the use and modification >of depricated IT technologies in the modern age.

The newsgroup will not be moderated. Binary, off-topic, spam and
advertising posts are not permitted. Discussion of hacks, cracks, warez, >serial numbers or the illegal exchange of copyrighted software to be prohibited

What does this boilerplate have to do with anything? Who cares if serial numbers of vintage equipment are exchanged?

In the boilerplate, you list off topic topics, including binaries and advertising. Don't say "spam" which is always off topic and not specific
to a newsgroup. When was the last time you saw warez on Usenet?

JUSTIFICATION: The retro PC community has been growing exponentially, and there
is no group currently within the alt.* or any other main USENET hierarchy, >which provides a forum specifically for discussing retro computing.

You didn't look. There's an Italian language newsgroup.

it.comp.retrocomputing

There's always a place to discuss anything on Usenet, like
alt.comp.hardware.

With Justification, you look for the discussion in the newsgroups in
which it's already taking place. This isn't justification.

Why? So you know whom to promote the group to. If no discussion is
taking place, there's no audience for the newsgroup.

Numerous trade punlications and media sources confirm the growth and need for >such a community.

For example: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/style/retrocomputing.html

Thank you for your consideration

Ok. What happens in another medium of communication isn't relevant.
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On 3/9/23 17:54, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

For consideration: alt.comp.retro-computing

Where is your For your newsgroups file line?

This should probably be named into alt.comp.hardware.* if it were
justified, which it's not.

CHARTER: alt.comp.retro-computing is to be a place where those using vintage >> machines can share or discuss experiences relating to the use and modification
of depricated IT technologies in the modern age.

The newsgroup will not be moderated. Binary, off-topic, spam and
advertising posts are not permitted. Discussion of hacks, cracks, warez,
serial numbers or the illegal exchange of copyrighted software to be prohibited

What does this boilerplate have to do with anything? Who cares if serial numbers of vintage equipment are exchanged?

In the boilerplate, you list off topic topics, including binaries and advertising. Don't say "spam" which is always off topic and not specific
to a newsgroup. When was the last time you saw warez on Usenet?

JUSTIFICATION: The retro PC community has been growing exponentially, and there
is no group currently within the alt.* or any other main USENET hierarchy, >> which provides a forum specifically for discussing retro computing.

You didn't look. There's an Italian language newsgroup.

it.comp.retrocomputing

There's always a place to discuss anything on Usenet, like
alt.comp.hardware.

With Justification, you look for the discussion in the newsgroups in
which it's already taking place. This isn't justification.

Why? So you know whom to promote the group to. If no discussion is
taking place, there's no audience for the newsgroup.

Numerous trade punlications and media sources confirm the growth and need for
such a community.

For example: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/style/retrocomputing.html

Thank you for your consideration

Ok. What happens in another medium of communication isn't relevant.

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On 2023-03-09, OldbieOne wrote:

For consideration: alt.comp.retro-computing

CHARTER: alt.comp.retro-computing is to be a place where those using vintage machines can share or discuss experiences relating to the use and modification
of depricated IT technologies in the modern age.

[...]

JUSTIFICATION: The retro PC community has been growing exponentially, and there
is no group currently within the alt.* or any other main USENET hierarchy, which provides a forum specifically for discussing retro computing.

What about alt.folklore.computers?
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On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 23:54:18 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> did make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce: <snipped>

You didn't look. There's an Italian language newsgroup.

it.comp.retrocomputing

There's always a place to discuss anything on Usenet, like
alt.comp.hardware.

Outside of Italy, no one speaks Italian, my dude.
I specifically did NOT specify it a hardware group because it would not be for hardware, but hardware, middleware, and software. The whole enchilada. Or in italian, the whole plate of spaghetti and meatballs.
Love the l@m3 attempt at trolling tho, my dude...
Are you like 12?
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 10:31:14 +0000, "Nuno Silva" <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> did make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:

On 2023-03-09, OldbieOne wrote:

For consideration: alt.comp.retro-computing

CHARTER: alt.comp.retro-computing is to be a place where those using vintage >> machines can share or discuss experiences relating to the use and modification
of depricated IT technologies in the modern age.

[...]

JUSTIFICATION: The retro PC community has been growing exponentially, and there
is no group currently within the alt.* or any other main USENET hierarchy, >> which provides a forum specifically for discussing retro computing.

What about alt.folklore.computers?

Good queston, Nuno.
alt.folklore.computers is more about general geekery and more of a chat group than a group specifically dedicated to hardware, software, and middleware.
I envision the proposed group, alt.comp.retro-computing to be a place where people can post their builds and the issues they're running into with driver conflics or installing applications, rather than a general discussion forum. Thanks for the question :)
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OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

Thu, 9 Mar 2023 23:54:18 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>:

<snipped>

You didn't look. There's an Italian language newsgroup.

it.comp.retrocomputing

There's always a place to discuss anything on Usenet, like >>alt.comp.hardware.

Outside of Italy, no one speaks Italian, my dude.

I'm pointing out the obvious that it should have come up if you had
searched properly.

I specifically did NOT specify it a hardware group because it would not be for >hardware, but hardware, middleware, and software. The whole enchilada. Or in >italian, the whole plate of spaghetti and meatballs.

Odd that it wasn't in the charter. I have no idea what middleware is
with respect to retrocomputing.

Love the l@m3 attempt at trolling tho, my dude...

Are you like 12?

This is alt.*. The proponent can do what he likes. But if you don't care
to have the proposal discussed then don't offer it for discussion.

There's always a place on Usenet to discuss a topic. The best proponents
are the ones who are well known for discussing the topic among those
already discussing the topic. The best proponents are very well
acquainted with the audience. They perform a proper justification, which
is a count of non-crossposted discussion in which the topic of the
proposed newsgroup is the main topic of the article. It's actual
discussion, not just reposted articles from the Web nor FAQ postings.

The article count is of a recent 90-day period and the proponent is
looking for an average of 10 articles a day in several newsgroups AND an audience that's motivated to move non-crossposted discussion to the
proposed group (requesting its creation locally if it's not yet
created).

If there's no audience, then there's no need for the group.
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 15:30:53 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> did make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce: >OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

Thu, 9 Mar 2023 23:54:18 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>:

<snipped>

You didn't look. There's an Italian language newsgroup.

it.comp.retrocomputing

There's always a place to discuss anything on Usenet, like >>>alt.comp.hardware.

Outside of Italy, no one speaks Italian, my dude.

I'm pointing out the obvious that it should have come up if you had
searched properly.

It's obviously not mentioned because it's a bull$hit group that does not pertain
to international discussion in English. If I'd have been proposing an Italian group, I would have made a proposal in Italian.
Example:
Proposta: alt.testa.di.pene
Un gruppo di notizie per discutere della testa del pene Adam H. Kerman che pensa
di essere indelligente fondendo una richiesta per un gruppo in inglese con un gruppo Italiano morto

I specifically did NOT specify it a hardware group because it would not be for
hardware, but hardware, middleware, and software. The whole enchilada. Or in >>italian, the whole plate of spaghetti and meatballs.

Odd that it wasn't in the charter. I have no idea what middleware is
with respect to retrocomputing.

Does *everything* have to be in a charter, or just a broad outline?
In case you didn't know, many people run virtualized instances of vintage operating system on modern hardware, which would also be allowable in this group.
Esistono cose come Dosbox, testa di cazzo!

Love the l@m3 attempt at trolling tho, my dude...

Are you like 12?

This is alt.*. The proponent can do what he likes. But if you don't care
to have the proposal discussed then don't offer it for discussion

I care for open and honest discussion, just not your snark

There's always a place on Usenet to discuss a topic. The best proponents
are the ones who are well known for discussing the topic among those
already discussing the topic. The best proponents are very well
acquainted with the audience. They perform a proper justification, which
is a count of non-crossposted discussion in which the topic of the
proposed newsgroup is the main topic of the article. It's actual
discussion, not just reposted articles from the Web nor FAQ postings.

There is no "right" or "wrong" person to form a request where none currently exists. If I'm the wrong person to make a proposal, tell me who's right, and I'll ask them offline. Otherwise, sei solo un iduita flammeggiante.

The article count is of a recent 90-day period and the proponent is
looking for an average of 10 articles a day in several newsgroups AND an >audience that's motivated to move non-crossposted discussion to the
proposed group (requesting its creation locally if it's not yet
created).

If there's no audience, then there's no need for the group.

If you would like a more comprehensive proposal to include every specific intended aspect of the group, along with numerical and empirical justification for each, please let me know.
Also let me know what language you'd like to see it in, LOL!!!
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OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 15:30:53 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>: >>OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

<snipped>

I specifically did NOT specify it a hardware group because it would
not be for hardware, but hardware, middleware, and software. The whole >>>enchilada. Or in italian, the whole plate of spaghetti and meatballs.

Odd that it wasn't in the charter. I have no idea what middleware is
with respect to retrocomputing.

Does *everything* have to be in a charter, or just a broad outline?

The charter is the proponent's one chance to describe on-topic
discussion. If the group doesn't fail (and nearly every single new
newsgroup fails miserably), then on-topic discussion will be determined
by what the regulars of the newsgroup discuss.

. . .

Love the l@m3 attempt at trolling tho, my dude...

Are you like 12?

This is alt.*. The proponent can do what he likes. But if you don't care
to have the proposal discussed then don't offer it for discussion

I care for open and honest discussion, just not your snark

You had better find a different medium of discussion that doesn't have
snark.

There's always a place on Usenet to discuss a topic. The best proponents >>are the ones who are well known for discussing the topic among those >>already discussing the topic. The best proponents are very well
acquainted with the audience. They perform a proper justification, which
is a count of non-crossposted discussion in which the topic of the
proposed newsgroup is the main topic of the article. It's actual >>discussion, not just reposted articles from the Web nor FAQ postings.

There is no "right" or "wrong" person to form a request where none currently >exists. If I'm the wrong person to make a proposal, tell me who's right, and >I'll ask them offline. Otherwise, sei solo un iduita flammeggiante.

Any moron can send a newgroup message; 10s of thousands have done so.
It's just a matter of getting the syntax right.

Being a good proponent is real work, which I've outlined above. A lousy proponent is someone not known for posting on topic and unaware of the community on Usenet already discussing the topic.

It's alt.*. It's up to you if you want to make the effort.

The article count is of a recent 90-day period and the proponent is
looking for an average of 10 articles a day in several newsgroups AND an >>audience that's motivated to move non-crossposted discussion to the >>proposed group (requesting its creation locally if it's not yet
created).

If there's no audience, then there's no need for the group.

If you would like a more comprehensive proposal to include every specific >intended aspect of the group, along with numerical and empirical justification >for each, please let me know.

sigh

You're the proponent. I want YOU to go through the justification process
so YOU are familiar with the audience and actually learn who is
motivated to change his posting habits in favor of the group you
propose. This is actual work, and it takes months. A good proponent's
job isn't finished till there's sustainable discussion in the group
which is, again, a minimum of 10 articles a day of genuine
non-crossposted on topic discussion.

I can't do these things for you.

. . .

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On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 18:38:06 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> did make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce: >OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 15:30:53 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

<snipped>

I specifically did NOT specify it a hardware group because it would
not be for hardware, but hardware, middleware, and software. The whole >>>>enchilada. Or in italian, the whole plate of spaghetti and meatballs.

Odd that it wasn't in the charter. I have no idea what middleware is
with respect to retrocomputing.

Does *everything* have to be in a charter, or just a broad outline?

The charter is the proponent's one chance to describe on-topic
discussion. If the group doesn't fail (and nearly every single new
newsgroup fails miserably), then on-topic discussion will be determined
by what the regulars of the newsgroup discuss.

. . .

Love the l@m3 attempt at trolling tho, my dude...

Are you like 12?

This is alt.*. The proponent can do what he likes. But if you don't care >>>to have the proposal discussed then don't offer it for discussion

I care for open and honest discussion, just not your snark

You had better find a different medium of discussion that doesn't have
snark.

There's always a place on Usenet to discuss a topic. The best proponents >>>are the ones who are well known for discussing the topic among those >>>already discussing the topic. The best proponents are very well >>>acquainted with the audience. They perform a proper justification, which >>>is a count of non-crossposted discussion in which the topic of the >>>proposed newsgroup is the main topic of the article. It's actual >>>discussion, not just reposted articles from the Web nor FAQ postings.

There is no "right" or "wrong" person to form a request where none currently >>exists. If I'm the wrong person to make a proposal, tell me who's right, and >>I'll ask them offline. Otherwise, sei solo un iduita flammeggiante.

Any moron can send a newgroup message; 10s of thousands have done so.
It's just a matter of getting the syntax right.

Being a good proponent is real work, which I've outlined above. A lousy >proponent is someone not known for posting on topic and unaware of the >community on Usenet already discussing the topic.

It's alt.*. It's up to you if you want to make the effort.

I didn't realize I was in the presence of such greatness! :O https://groups.google.com/g/aus.hi-fi/c/ed7QqoXSLr8
You're so vain, I bet you think this newsgroup's about you: alt.adam-h-kerman.config
I've done a lot of things in my time, but I've never been a dick to so many people that they've created a group purely to trash me, my dude.
Seems quite a lot of admins have chosen to include the group in their feeds worldwide. Must be nice to have so many friends, eh?
ROFLMAO!
As I just posted in your eponymous group, in the spirit of wishing to offer constructive criticism on your behavior, I would like to offer the following suggestion:
Adam, instead of telling people what they, to your mind, did "wrong", how about reframing the discussion like this, for example:
"Hello ____
I see you have made a proposal. Let me help you. If you want a positive result, you might want to consider adding x or y, maybe re-wording part b to include this, or exclude that, and possibly adding a section to go over this other thing.
If you'd like some help with it, feel free to send me an email, or see this handy-dandy guide here ________ which may be able to help"
Instead of
"I AM A SNARKY LITTLE BITCH AND WILL SNARK AND MORE SNARK TO TELL YOU WHAT I THINK YOU DID WRONG HERE AND MORE SNARK AT THE END CAUSE I WANT YOU TO RESPECT MY SELF-GRANTED AUTHORITY"
Just a thought.
But then again, I don't have my own newsgroup, so.......
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 18:38:06 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> did make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:
<snip>

Any moron can send a newgroup message; 10s of thousands have done so.
It's just a matter of getting the syntax right.

Being a good proponent is real work, which I've outlined above. A lousy >proponent is someone not known for posting on topic and unaware of the >community on Usenet already discussing the topic.

I'm going to address this comment separately, since you keep coming back to it, despite
1) Il gruppo e Italiano
2) Italy has a low population compared to the English speaking world
2) It doesn't address the topics I mentioned in the proposal
What I want to know is since when is everyone supposed to speak Italian on here now? ROFLMAO!
Never in my days on USENET (and I've been back and forth for literally decades) was a foreign language group used to deny an English language group. And I've created several groups in the past under the alt.* heirarchy as well as others. I've just never met an asshole like you in alt.config before.
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OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

I didn't realize I was in the presence of such greatness! :O

https://groups.google.com/g/aus.hi-fi/c/ed7QqoXSLr8

You never were a serious proponent. I'm not explaining the history of
that as you sure as hell were well aware of it.

You're so vain, I bet you think this newsgroup's about you:

alt.adam-h-kerman.config

I've done a lot of things in my time, but I've never been a dick to so many >people that they've created a group purely to trash me, my dude.

Oh, there were a good half dozen revenge froups started.

Seems quite a lot of admins have chosen to include the group in their feeds >worldwide. Must be nice to have so many friends, eh?

ROFLMAO!

Ray created it. I asked him to create the others, but he hasn't. All
that's important is that I have more revenge froups than Peter J Ross.

As I just posted in your eponymous group, in the spirit of wishing to offer >constructive criticism on your behavior, I would like to offer the following >suggestion:

Adam, instead of telling people what they, to your mind, did "wrong", how >about reframing the discussion like this, for example:

What you did wrong was refuse to post on the topic, and refuse to find
the audience for the group. The proposal itself is irrelevant since
you've got your fingers in your ears, but you do need to get syntax correct
if you send the newgroup message.

This is alt.*. The proponent gets to do what he wants. Have fun. Maybe
the group won't be a spamtrap.

. . .

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OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

. . .

Never in my days on USENET (and I've been back and forth for literally >decades) was a foreign language group used to deny an English language
group.

My ghod you are stupid. alt.config is for proposal discussion, not for
approval nor denial. You don't want there to be any proposal discussion
since you can't take criticism of the fact that you aren't going to try
to find an audience and haven't posted on the topic yourself.

You don't need my help to deny you a newsgroup of your very own. You'll
succeed in that by yourself.

And I've created several groups in the past under the alt.*
heirarchy as well as others.

Speaking of massive egos, the proponent sends the newgroup message but
DOES NOT create the newsgroup. That's what the News administrator does.
Any moron can send a newgroup message; 10s of thousands have done so.
It's not an act of creation.

You can't force any News administrator to create a newsgroup and you
can't force anyone to post to it. That's why a proponent needs to find
the audience for the proposed group. A potential user of the group has
to be the one to request its creation from his News administrator.

I've just never met an asshole like you in alt.config before.

And yet you knew exactly who I was. It's a bizarre thing to lie about.
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 22:07:08 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> did make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce: >OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

. . .

Never in my days on USENET (and I've been back and forth for literally >>decades) was a foreign language group used to deny an English language >>group.

My ghod you are stupid. alt.config is for proposal discussion, not for >approval nor denial.

Missed my sarcasm, eh? Maybe you're not so smart after all, lol!!!!

ou don't want there to be any proposal discussion
since you can't take criticism of the fact that you aren't going to try
to find an audience and haven't posted on the topic yourself.

Critique is different from snark. But it seems you're unable to respond to anyone with constructive commentary without the snark. There's no need for it anymore, it's not the eternal september!
Although, I did just see you responding to someone in the hilarously named ES groups.....

You don't need my help to deny you a newsgroup of your very own. You'll >succeed in that by yourself.

Exactly. But the attitute you responded to the proposal made it seem that you would like people to believe that you have that power....
And THAT is why I have taken an equal tone in my responses to you, my dude. >>And I've created several groups in the past under the alt.*

heirarchy as well as others.

Speaking of massive egos, the proponent sends the newgroup message but
DOES NOT create the newsgroup. That's what the News administrator does.
Any moron can send a newgroup message; 10s of thousands have done so.
It's not an act of creation.

You clearly didn't comprehend that which you had just read....nowhere did I claim or imply that making a proposal NEEDED a vote or anyone's consent, nor did
I claim or imply that sending a proposal for a group would result in the creation of said groups, you numpty! LOL!!
I used to be a news admin prior to the shakedown in the mid 2000's..... I was clear in my statement:
"I have created several groups under the alt.* hierarchy and others over the years"

You can't force any News administrator to create a newsgroup and you
can't force anyone to post to it. That's why a proponent needs to find
the audience for the proposed group. A potential user of the group has
to be the one to request its creation from his News administrator.

Most of the alt.* groups we created for users on my service, we didn't even bother having them post proposals for. There seemed little point in involving the children who liked to pick apart everything. Rather than instructing them to
post proposals, we used to simply use our judgement as to whether or not the group would be a worthy addition. Of course we had red lines, and if what we were being asked would have crossed those, we'd just suggest they make a post. I recently came back to USENET after more than a decade away from it, and thought that things may have changed, and coming from a user perspective, I thought I'd try and play nice. I see that nothing has changed, and actually gotten worse.

I've just never met an asshole like you in alt.config before.

And yet you knew exactly who I was. It's a bizarre thing to lie about.

A quick search told me all I needed to know about you that I didn't know before.
You know, searching is easy.. I'm no n00b. It's right in my sig ;)
Serious question: have you ever just tried to be nice instead of snarky?
You might actually like it. It's not a weakness, my dude
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 21:57:21 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> did make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce: >OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

I didn't realize I was in the presence of such greatness! :O

https://groups.google.com/g/aus.hi-fi/c/ed7QqoXSLr8

You never were a serious proponent. I'm not explaining the history of

I was, but my post was half-assed because I thought nobody even bothered.

that as you sure as hell were well aware of it.

Now that much *IS* true! Yes, I've been around.....

You're so vain, I bet you think this newsgroup's about you:

alt.adam-h-kerman.config

I've done a lot of things in my time, but I've never been a dick to so many >>people that they've created a group purely to trash me, my dude.

Oh, there were a good half dozen revenge froups started.

What's a froup? And how would one get one started? What hierarchy is that in? rec.*? Do you mean "frop"?

Seems quite a lot of admins have chosen to include the group in their feeds >>worldwide. Must be nice to have so many friends, eh?

ROFLMAO!

Ray created it. I asked him to create the others, but he hasn't. All
that's important is that I have more revenge froups than Peter J Ross.

I'm sure *you* didn't ask for it to be created..... your ego is clearly too big to allow yourself to be the butt of a joke.

As I just posted in your eponymous group, in the spirit of wishing to offer >>constructive criticism on your behavior, I would like to offer the following >>suggestion:

Adam, instead of telling people what they, to your mind, did "wrong", how >>about reframing the discussion like this, for example:

What you did wrong was refuse to post on the topic, and refuse to find
the audience for the group. The proposal itself is irrelevant since
you've got your fingers in your ears, but you do need to get syntax correct >if you send the newgroup message.

What I did wrong was try to be nice on my return and post a simplified proposal as a token gesture, for which I did not expect the response I received, especially as few people actually bother to post one in the first place. But whatever! I can haz snark too ;)

This is alt.*. The proponent gets to do what he wants. Have fun. Maybe
the group won't be a spamtrap.

It's 2023. The vast majority of groups are now spamtraps. Active moderated groups seem to be few and far between in the other hierarchies these days, and as we both know, alt.* is its own special hellscape and always has been.
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OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 21:57:21 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>: >>OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

I didn't realize I was in the presence of such greatness! :O

https://groups.google.com/g/aus.hi-fi/c/ed7QqoXSLr8

You never were a serious proponent. I'm not explaining the history of

I was, but my post was half-assed because I thought nobody even bothered.

That wasn't my post, but you knew that. There were hundreds of
thousands, if not millions, of those sent in a massive Denial of Service
attack by a Hipclone.

that as you sure as hell were well aware of it.

Now that much *IS* true! Yes, I've been around.....

It's truly an odd thing for you to lie about.

You're so vain, I bet you think this newsgroup's about you:

alt.adam-h-kerman.config

I've done a lot of things in my time, but I've never been a dick to so many >>>people that they've created a group purely to trash me, my dude.

Oh, there were a good half dozen revenge froups started.

What's a froup? And how would one get one started? What hierarchy is that in? >rec.*? Do you mean "frop"?

Seems quite a lot of admins have chosen to include the group in their feeds >>>worldwide. Must be nice to have so many friends, eh?

ROFLMAO!

Ray created it. I asked him to create the others, but he hasn't. All
that's important is that I have more revenge froups than Peter J Ross.

I'm sure *you* didn't ask for it to be created..... your ego is clearly
too big to allow yourself to be the butt of a joke.

Allow myself? Anyone moron can send a newgroup message, including
newgroup message for revenge froups.

. . .

This is alt.*. The proponent gets to do what he wants. Have fun. Maybe
the group won't be a spamtrap.

It's 2023. The vast majority of groups are now spamtraps. Active moderated >groups seem to be few and far between in the other hierarchies these days, and >as we both know, alt.* is its own special hellscape and always has been.

Wow. You intend to fail. It was always your intent to fail. Congrats in
your success.
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OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

Critique is different from snark.

It wasn't snark. Actually, I was calling you a liar. You hadn't searched the list of newsgroups.
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 23:05:16 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> did make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce: >OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 21:57:21 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

I didn't realize I was in the presence of such greatness! :O

https://groups.google.com/g/aus.hi-fi/c/ed7QqoXSLr8

You never were a serious proponent. I'm not explaining the history of

I was, but my post was half-assed because I thought nobody even bothered.

That wasn't my post, but you knew that. There were hundreds of
thousands, if not millions, of those sent in a massive Denial of Service >attack by a Hipclone.

I did not say that it was your post. Why project so much in your responses? What is it that you might be hiding? Hmmmm?

that as you sure as hell were well aware of it.

Now that much *IS* true! Yes, I've been around.....

It's truly an odd thing for you to lie about.

Again, I was not lying about not knowing. I was stating that it's true I am not a n00b. I simply looked you up. I want to know who's flaming me before I respond
whenever possible.

You're so vain, I bet you think this newsgroup's about you:

alt.adam-h-kerman.config

I've done a lot of things in my time, but I've never been a dick to so many >>>>people that they've created a group purely to trash me, my dude.

Oh, there were a good half dozen revenge froups started.

What's a froup? And how would one get one started? What hierarchy is that in? >>rec.*? Do you mean "frop"?

And you corrected my spelling over i eternal-september. You must be so proud! lol!

Seems quite a lot of admins have chosen to include the group in their feeds >>>>worldwide. Must be nice to have so many friends, eh?

ROFLMAO!

Ray created it. I asked him to create the others, but he hasn't. All >>>that's important is that I have more revenge froups than Peter J Ross.

I'm sure *you* didn't ask for it to be created..... your ego is clearly
too big to allow yourself to be the butt of a joke.

Allow myself? Anyone moron can send a newgroup message, including
newgroup message for revenge froups.

You know what I mean, foupsloops.

This is alt.*. The proponent gets to do what he wants. Have fun. Maybe >>>the group won't be a spamtrap.

It's 2023. The vast majority of groups are now spamtraps. Active moderated >>groups seem to be few and far between in the other hierarchies these days, and
as we both know, alt.* is its own special hellscape and always has been.

Wow. You intend to fail. It was always your intent to fail. Congrats in
your success.

I intend to be honest. I'm not here to make friends. Neither are you. If you're looking for people to suck your d***, you're out of luck.
Pretty sure you spend enough time sucking your own you don't need anyone else to
do it for you anyway, lol!!
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 23:08:49 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> did make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce: >OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

Critique is different from snark.

It wasn't snark. Actually, I was calling you a liar. You hadn't searched the >list of newsgroups.

I had looked it up. I know how to do that, you know. I didn't know it would get you triggered.
So let me get this straight...
I'm a clueless n00b who doesn't know what the hell I'm talking about, yet I've also been here forever so knew that you were trolled and brought it up to somehow trigger you?
I'm sorry I don't follow your logic here, I'm not schizophrenic....
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On Friday, March 10, 2023 05:44 PM OldbieOne wrote:

your ego is clearly too big
to allow yourself to be the butt of a joke.

Hell, we (that is a collective we) had songs wrote about us. http://alt-config.net/alt-config.mp3
Time stamp when I first downloaded that was 09/09/02. Think it was several years old even then...
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OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 23:05:16 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>: >>OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 21:57:21 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

I didn't realize I was in the presence of such greatness! :O

https://groups.google.com/g/aus.hi-fi/c/ed7QqoXSLr8

You never were a serious proponent. I'm not explaining the history of

I was, but my post was half-assed because I thought nobody even bothered.

That wasn't my post, but you knew that. There were hundreds of
thousands, if not millions, of those sent in a massive Denial of Service >>attack by a Hipclone.

I did not say that it was your post.

So you knew who I was, which you lied about, and you knew of the
circumstances in which that article and others like it were part
of a massive Denial of Service attack.

massive crapsnip
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 20:13:14 -0500, William Bagwell <UseOther@sThisOne.Invalid> did make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:

On Friday, March 10, 2023 05:44 PM OldbieOne wrote:

your ego is clearly too big
to allow yourself to be the butt of a joke.

Hell, we (that is a collective we) had songs wrote about us. >http://alt-config.net/alt-config.mp3
Time stamp when I first downloaded that was 09/09/02. Think it was several >years old even then...

Still into alpacas these days?
I never did figure out the difference between a llama and an alpaca myself
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On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 03:47:55 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> did make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce: >OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 23:05:16 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 21:57:21 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>:

OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

I didn't realize I was in the presence of such greatness! :O

https://groups.google.com/g/aus.hi-fi/c/ed7QqoXSLr8

You never were a serious proponent. I'm not explaining the history of

I was, but my post was half-assed because I thought nobody even bothered.

That wasn't my post, but you knew that. There were hundreds of
thousands, if not millions, of those sent in a massive Denial of Service >>>attack by a Hipclone.

I did not say that it was your post.

So you knew who I was, which you lied about, and you knew of the >circumstances in which that article and others like it were part
of a massive Denial of Service attack.

I did not know the circumstances in which those posts were made, until you divulged that here, in this group, in response to me.
I admit that I didn't look at the datestamps. I wouldn't have deliberately stooped quite so low as to pick out fish from a barrel. You deserve better than that ;)
.
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OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 03:47:55 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>: >>OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 23:05:16 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

Fri, 10 Mar 2023 21:57:21 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>>>OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

I didn't realize I was in the presence of such greatness! :O

https://groups.google.com/g/aus.hi-fi/c/ed7QqoXSLr8

You never were a serious proponent. I'm not explaining the history of

I was, but my post was half-assed because I thought nobody even bothered.

That wasn't my post, but you knew that. There were hundreds of >>>>thousands, if not millions, of those sent in a massive Denial of Service >>>>attack by a Hipclone.

I did not say that it was your post.

So you knew who I was, which you lied about, and you knew of the >>circumstances in which that article and others like it were part
of a massive Denial of Service attack.

I did not know the circumstances in which those posts were made, until you >divulged that here, in this group, in response to me.

Divulged?

You claimed you had something to do with customer service at an ISP
offering a News server around that time. Everybody on Usenet knew about
the incident, which took place starting at the end of 2001 and well into
2002. It was the largest Hipclone Denial of Service attack on Usenet
mostly through open proxies among Bell Canada Internet subscribers.

Everybody saw the articles as they were posted to every newsgroup
probably in the millions.

It wasn't the first such attack and it wasn't the last, but it was by
far the largest.

The real Hipcrime was the one who went after tale with Denial of Service attacks with newgroup messages. This led to signed control messages. Tim Skirvin attempted to appease him by starting the free.* hierarchy as
Hipcrime thought alt.* had rules on starting newsgroups, but Hipcrime
was objecting to the "trusted rmgroupers". Rmgroup messages weren't
allowed in free.* or certain spam countermeasures.

If you claim that you were unaware of the circumstances of this massive Hipclone Denial-of-Service attack and you don't know who any of these
people were, you utterly lack credibility.

. . .

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William Bagwell <UseOther@sThisOne.Invalid> wrote:

On Friday, March 10, 2023 05:44 PM OldbieOne wrote:

your ego is clearly too big
to allow yourself to be the butt of a joke.

Hell, we (that is a collective we) had songs wrote about us. >http://alt-config.net/alt-config.mp3

Oh, that's marvelous.

Time stamp when I first downloaded that was 09/09/02. Think it was several >years old even then...

Glad you saved it.
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On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 05:30:54 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> did make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce: >OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 03:47:55 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 23:05:16 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>:

OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

Fri, 10 Mar 2023 21:57:21 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>>>>OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

I didn't realize I was in the presence of such greatness! :O

https://groups.google.com/g/aus.hi-fi/c/ed7QqoXSLr8

You never were a serious proponent. I'm not explaining the history of

I was, but my post was half-assed because I thought nobody even bothered.

That wasn't my post, but you knew that. There were hundreds of >>>>>thousands, if not millions, of those sent in a massive Denial of Service >>>>>attack by a Hipclone.

I did not say that it was your post.

So you knew who I was, which you lied about, and you knew of the >>>circumstances in which that article and others like it were part
of a massive Denial of Service attack.

I did not know the circumstances in which those posts were made, until you >>divulged that here, in this group, in response to me.

Divulged?

You claimed you had something to do with customer service at an ISP
offering a News server around that time. Everybody on Usenet knew about
the incident, which took place starting at the end of 2001 and well into >2002. It was the largest Hipclone Denial of Service attack on Usenet
mostly through open proxies among Bell Canada Internet subscribers.

Everybody saw the articles as they were posted to every newsgroup
probably in the millions.

It wasn't the first such attack and it wasn't the last, but it was by
far the largest.

And still the largest to this day. Yes, yes, I know. I just didn't look at when it was posted.
Sorry I inadvertently triggered you, my dude....
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OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

. . .

Sorry I inadvertently triggered you, my dude....

Usenet history is not "triggering". Since you brought it up, I pointed
out the actual events which had somehow escaped your attention. You're obviously a liar.
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On 3/11/23 15:11, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

. . .

Sorry I inadvertently triggered you, my dude....

Usenet history is not "triggering". Since you brought it up, I pointed
out the actual events which had somehow escaped your attention. You're obviously a liar.

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OldbieOne wrote:

What's a froup?

You've never noticed the hilarity that ensues by pretending you
accidentally hit an adjacent key on the keyboard? zOMG! you've never
lived ...
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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

OldbieOne wrote:

What's a froup?

You've never noticed the hilarity that ensues by pretending you
accidentally hit an adjacent key on the keyboard? zOMG! you've never
lived ...

The OldbieOne sockpuppet isn't whom it's pretending to be, obviously.

Yes, "froup" began as a spelling mistake that caught on.

A text newsgroup is meant for discussion. A froup isn't; it's frivolous.
The purpose is to add an entry into the newsfroups file with a witty brief description to show how clever the newfrouper was being. Having revenge
froups is a matter of pride; my enemies were feeding my ego. It's very upsetting that some of the revenge froups are no longer listed in the
archived newsfroups file.
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 14:14:23 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> did make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

OldbieOne wrote:

What's a froup?

You've never noticed the hilarity that ensues by pretending you >>accidentally hit an adjacent key on the keyboard? zOMG! you've never >>lived ...

The OldbieOne sockpuppet isn't whom it's pretending to be, obviously.

You need to revisit the definition of a sockpuppet, my dude.
A sock puppet, in the context of online communications, is a fake identity created to promote someone or something....
What am I promoting? And where's any evidence that I have another account? (which I don't. I've been using OldbieOne, albeit not continually, for decades).
And let me remind you, that you were the one who replied with derision and snark
to a genuine request for discussion..not me.
But like every other interweb snowflake, you can dish it out, but can't take it in retrun without getting your feels hurt.
.

Yes, "froup" began as a spelling mistake that caught on.

Gretchen, stop trying to make 'froup' happen! it's not going to happen.
Grow the fuck up. You've had years to do so, yet have not shown any signs of doing so as of yet.
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OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 14:14:23 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> did
make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

OldbieOne wrote:

What's a froup?

You've never noticed the hilarity that ensues by pretending you >>>accidentally hit an adjacent key on the keyboard? zOMG! you've never >>>lived ...

The OldbieOne sockpuppet isn't whom it's pretending to be, obviously.

You need to revisit the definition of a sockpuppet, my dude.
A sock puppet, in the context of online communications, is a fake identity >created to promote someone or something....

What am I promoting? And where's any evidence that I have another account? >(which I don't. I've been using OldbieOne, albeit not continually, for decades).

And let me remind you, that you were the one who replied with derision and snark
to a genuine request for discussion..not me.

There are not requests for discussion in alt.*. We discuss proposals in
this newsgroup. It's not the same thing at all.

I gave you feedback. You didn't wanna listen. Your choice.

But like every other interweb snowflake, you can dish it out, but can't take it
in retrun without getting your feels hurt.
.

You've declared victory. Again. Congratulations on your fine
achievement.

Yes, "froup" began as a spelling mistake that caught on.

Gretchen, stop trying to make 'froup' happen! it's not going to happen.

Grow the fuck up. You've had years to do so, yet have not shown any signs of >doing so as of yet.

Still lying, I see.

"froup" has been around a lot longer than I've been on Usenet. It's
already happened.
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On 17/03/2023 14:14, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

The OldbieOne sockpuppet isn't whom it's pretending to be, obviously.

CAN YOU JUST FUCK OFF. WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU HANGING OUT ON ALT.CONFIG?
GET A PROPER JOB. TROLLING IS NOT CONSIDERED A PROPER JOB.

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On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 20:46:55 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> did make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce: >OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:

On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 14:14:23 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> did
make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

OldbieOne wrote:

What's a froup?

You've never noticed the hilarity that ensues by pretending you >>>>accidentally hit an adjacent key on the keyboard? zOMG! you've never >>>>lived ...

The OldbieOne sockpuppet isn't whom it's pretending to be, obviously.

You need to revisit the definition of a sockpuppet, my dude.
A sock puppet, in the context of online communications, is a fake identity >>created to promote someone or something....

What am I promoting? And where's any evidence that I have another account? >>(which I don't. I've been using OldbieOne, albeit not continually, for decades).

And let me remind you, that you were the one who replied with derision and snark
to a genuine request for discussion..not me.

There are not requests for discussion in alt.*. We discuss proposals in
this newsgroup. It's not the same thing at all.

I gave you feedback. You didn't wanna listen. Your choice.

But like every other interweb snowflake, you can dish it out, but can't take it
in retrun without getting your feels hurt.
.

You've declared victory. Again. Congratulations on your fine
achievement.

Yes, "froup" began as a spelling mistake that caught on.

Gretchen, stop trying to make 'froup' happen! it's not going to happen.

Grow the fuck up. You've had years to do so, yet have not shown any signs of >>doing so as of yet.

Still lying, I see.

"froup" has been around a lot longer than I've been on Usenet. It's
already happened.

*yawn*
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