• vacancy proposal - alt.religion.watchtower - convert vacant group to unmoderated

    From NightBulb.net@nospam@nightbulb.net to alt.config on Wed Dec 28 11:28:35 2022
    From Newsgroup: alt.config

    For your newsgroups file:
    alt.religion.watchtower Watchtower Society - Jehovah's Witnesses

    COMMENTS:

    The newsgroup (alt.religion.watchtower) was first established as a
    moderated group. See Message-ID <3144be27.181494@news1.deltanet.com> for information. The moderation of this group has been abandoned for a very
    long time. All moderation email addresses are defunct. Moderation is no
    longer necessary nor desirable.

    There is constant, ongoing discussion of the Watchtower Society in other
    alt.* groups that are off-topic. This group would provide a proper focal
    point for those unmoderated discussions.

    These off-topic discussions have continued for years unabated while the
    group founded for this very subject has been abandoned, dormant and inaccessible due to the moderation lock and absence of moderators.

    Removal of the moderation lock will permit these discussions to be
    separated into the group that was initially created for them.

    CHARTER:

    This formerly vacated group is re-activated for discussion and debate of
    the teaching, doctrine, activities, and news of the Watchtower Society,
    also known as Jehovah's Witnesses. Spam, commercial advertisements, and illegal activity are prohibited.

    {MODERATION POLICY: unmoderated}

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to alt.config on Wed Dec 28 20:21:26 2022
    From Newsgroup: alt.config

    NightBulb.net <nospam@nightbulb.net> wrote:

    For your newsgroups file:
    alt.religion.watchtower Watchtower Society - Jehovah's Witnesses

    COMMENTS:

    The newsgroup (alt.religion.watchtower) was first established as a
    moderated group. See Message-ID <3144be27.181494@news1.deltanet.com> for >information. The moderation of this group has been abandoned for a very
    long time. All moderation email addresses are defunct. Moderation is no >longer necessary nor desirable.

    There is constant, ongoing discussion of the Watchtower Society in other >alt.* groups that are off-topic. This group would provide a proper focal >point for those unmoderated discussions.

    These off-topic discussions have continued for years unabated while the >group founded for this very subject has been abandoned, dormant and >inaccessible due to the moderation lock and absence of moderators.

    Removal of the moderation lock will permit these discussions to be
    separated into the group that was initially created for them.

    CHARTER:

    This formerly vacated group is re-activated for discussion and debate of
    the teaching, doctrine, activities, and news of the Watchtower Society,
    also known as Jehovah's Witnesses. Spam, commercial advertisements, and >illegal activity are prohibited.

    {MODERATION POLICY: unmoderated}

    Sorry, dude, but there's no way to force all the world's News
    administrators to convert a moderated newsgroup to an unmoderated
    newsgroup just by proposing it and sending a newgroup control message.
    If any convert the group, you'll then have a mix of News sites with the Moderation flag set to "yes" and others on which it's set to "no". That
    makes a bad situation worse.

    Please withdraw the proposal and do not send a newgroup message.

    Find an appropriate existing unmoderated religion newsgroup in which to
    hold your discussions.
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  • From NightBulb.net@nospam@nightbulb.net to alt.config on Thu Dec 29 07:30:37 2022
    From Newsgroup: alt.config

    On 12/28/22 14:21, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    NightBulb.net <nospam@nightbulb.net> wrote:

    For your newsgroups file:
    alt.religion.watchtower Watchtower Society - Jehovah's Witnesses

    COMMENTS:

    The newsgroup (alt.religion.watchtower) was first established as a
    moderated group. See Message-ID <3144be27.181494@news1.deltanet.com> for
    information. The moderation of this group has been abandoned for a very
    long time. All moderation email addresses are defunct. Moderation is no
    longer necessary nor desirable.

    There is constant, ongoing discussion of the Watchtower Society in other
    alt.* groups that are off-topic. This group would provide a proper focal
    point for those unmoderated discussions.

    These off-topic discussions have continued for years unabated while the
    group founded for this very subject has been abandoned, dormant and
    inaccessible due to the moderation lock and absence of moderators.

    Removal of the moderation lock will permit these discussions to be
    separated into the group that was initially created for them.

    CHARTER:

    This formerly vacated group is re-activated for discussion and debate of
    the teaching, doctrine, activities, and news of the Watchtower Society,
    also known as Jehovah's Witnesses. Spam, commercial advertisements, and
    illegal activity are prohibited.

    {MODERATION POLICY: unmoderated}

    Sorry, dude, but there's no way to force all the world's News
    administrators to convert a moderated newsgroup to an unmoderated
    newsgroup just by proposing it and sending a newgroup control message.
    If any convert the group, you'll then have a mix of News sites with the Moderation flag set to "yes" and others on which it's set to "no". That
    makes a bad situation worse.

    Please withdraw the proposal and do not send a newgroup message.

    Find an appropriate existing unmoderated religion newsgroup in which to
    hold your discussions.

    The newsgroup is inaccessible on all news servers at the moment because
    the moderation is permanently broken. This means that no one is able to
    post to it, at all, ever. How you can make that "worse" is by trolling
    about it.

    Any server that sets it to unmoderated will simply carry the feed, which
    is then made accessible on some servers, which is less worse than
    currently. That doesn't make a bad situation worse. It makes a hopeless situation better. Any server that does not change the moderation, that
    has a user who wants to post, will get flack from their users, which
    they will deserve.

    Who cares if some admins don't change the moderation? At least some
    servers will then have a reason for including the group in their list.

    I will eventually send a cmsg, after I have seen some responses from
    server admins or someone from the Big8 acknowledges they are aware of
    the request.

    Will a sysop please declare the group vacant? It is vacant. Then we can
    move on.
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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to alt.config on Thu Dec 29 16:45:21 2022
    From Newsgroup: alt.config

    NightBulb.net <nospam@nightbulb.net> wrote:
    On 12/28/22 14:21, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    NightBulb.net <nospam@nightbulb.net> wrote:

    For your newsgroups file:
    alt.religion.watchtower Watchtower Society - Jehovah's Witnesses

    COMMENTS:

    The newsgroup (alt.religion.watchtower) was first established as a >>>moderated group. See Message-ID <3144be27.181494@news1.deltanet.com>for >>>information. The moderation of this group has been abandoned for a very >>>long time. All moderation email addresses are defunct. Moderation is no >>>longer necessary nor desirable.

    There is constant, ongoing discussion of the Watchtower Society in other >>>alt.* groups that are off-topic. This group would provide a proper focal >>>point for those unmoderated discussions.

    These off-topic discussions have continued for years unabated while the >>>group founded for this very subject has been abandoned, dormant and >>>inaccessible due to the moderation lock and absence of moderators.

    Removal of the moderation lock will permit these discussions to be >>>separated into the group that was initially created for them.

    CHARTER:

    This formerly vacated group is re-activated for discussion and debate of >>>the teaching, doctrine, activities, and news of the Watchtower Society, >>>also known as Jehovah's Witnesses. Spam, commercial advertisements, and >>>illegal activity are prohibited.

    {MODERATION POLICY: unmoderated}

    Sorry, dude, but there's no way to force all the world's News >>administrators to convert a moderated newsgroup to an unmoderated
    newsgroup just by proposing it and sending a newgroup control message.
    If any convert the group, you'll then have a mix of News sites with the >>Moderation flag set to "yes" and others on which it's set to "no". That >>makes a bad situation worse.

    Please withdraw the proposal and do not send a newgroup message.

    Find an appropriate existing unmoderated religion newsgroup in which to >>hold your discussions.

    The newsgroup is inaccessible on all news servers at the moment because
    the moderation is permanently broken. This means that no one is able to
    post to it, at all, ever. How you can make that "worse" is by trolling
    about it.

    Wow. You came here for advice. I explained the reality of the situation
    to you. You didn't hear what you wanted to hear, so you insulted me.

    I will explain once more.

    YOU don't run Usenet. News administrators do. YOU cannot order any News administrator to change the moderation flag for this newsgroup on his
    News server merely by sending a newgroup message. YOU certainly cannot
    force all the world's remaining News administrators to act
    simultaneously. Even if one News administrator acts on your request, no
    user of a News server that has not changed the moderation flag will
    receive article nor will he be able to post articles.

    News administrators act upon user request. There is no user to request of
    his News adminstrator to change the moderation flag on this newsgroup.
    No user would even think to do that.

    There is no audience to discuss this topic that has any interest in
    reviving a moderated newsgroup whose moderator abandoned it. You cannot communicate with anyone possibly interested in discussing the topic to
    make such a reuqest.

    Listen to me. There are many little used unmoderated religion
    newsgroups. Choose one for your discussion and post there.

    . . .

    I will eventually send a cmsg, after I have seen some responses from
    server admins or someone from the Big8 acknowledges they are aware of
    the request.

    Ah. You've got your fingers in your ears. You didn't hear what you want
    to hear and now you are throwing a tantrum. "You can't force me not to
    send a newgroup message." Yeah, we know.

    Will a sysop please declare the group vacant? It is vacant. Then we can
    move on.

    You are an idiot. This is alt.*. The hierarchy is unadministered.
    There is no such person as a "sysop" that declares a newsgroup vacant.
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