From Newsgroup: alt.config


For your newsgroups file:
alt.magick.astrology A place where astrologers discuss magick.


CHARTER: alt.magick.astrology exists to discuss the use of astrology for working magick across cultures.

The newsgroup will not be moderated. Binary, off-topic, spam and
advertising posts are not permitted. Discussion of hacks, cracks, warez,
serial numbers or the illegal exchange of copyrighted software is banned.

JUSTIFICATION: Using astrology as a form of magick is an ancient practice
that could benefit from usenet discussion.

Thank you.
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.config

Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com> wrote:

For your newsgroups file:
alt.magick.astrology A place where astrologers discuss magick.

Hooray! A tab character!

The description should be a phrase made up of key words that don't
repeat words from the group name, ending in a period. You have no useful
key words; "place" and "discuss" should never appear in a description.

CHARTER: alt.magick.astrology exists to discuss the use of astrology for >working magick across cultures.

The newsgroup will not be moderated. Binary, off-topic, spam and
advertising posts are not permitted. Discussion of hacks, cracks, warez, >serial numbers or the illegal exchange of copyrighted software is banned.

JUSTIFICATION: Using astrology as a form of magick is an ancient practice >that could benefit from usenet discussion.

Thank you.

That's not justification. Justification is you, the proponent, looking
on Usenet for topical discussion taking place and figuring out if the
proposed group would have an audience. If there aren't 10 articles a day already that are part of on-topic discussion and not just someone
reposting articles from the Web, the group is unlikely to find an
audience.

Please note that no one in alt.config approves newsgroup proposals. You
are free to send the newgroup as you wish, or to keep looking for an
audience. I would strongly urge you to find such discussion already
taking place on Usenet so you know who might subscribe to the group.

Also: Users have to request creation of the proposed group from their
News administrator, and then subscribe to it in their newsreader.

I realize alt.magick.* is an existing second level hierarchy, so hooray!
for that. Nevertheless, there are lots of astrology newsgroups. Is
magick ever discussed in them?

I doubt the moderated groups are active but you should check.

alt.astrology Twinkle, twinkle, little planet.
alt.astrology.asian The stars as they appear over the Orient. alt.astrology.cujo Cujo the resident kook-hunter of alt.astrology alt.astrology.ghouls A place for the assholes to put their
postdictions and get flamed
alt.astrology.marketplace Astrology business; for-sale,
want-to-buy ads.
alt.astrology.metapsych Discussion of astrology
alt.astrology.metapsych.cujo Cujo kook-hunter of
alt.astrology.metapsych
alt.astrology.metapsych.moderated Metaphysical Astrology
(Moderated)
alt.astrology.moderated Study and practice of astrology. (moderated) (Moderated)
alt.astrology.moderated.metapsych No description. (Moderated) alt.astrology.pro No description.
alt.astrology.scam discussion of astrology as a con alt.astrology.toadology discussion of toadology vs. astrology alt.astrology.tropical Study & debate of tropical astrology.
(Moderated)
alt.fan.jai-maharaj A contributor to alt.astrology and
soc.culture.indian.
alt.newage.astrology No description.
free.uk.astrology No description.
relcom.astrology Round table of Astrologer.RU (Moderated)
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.config

On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 00:02:14 +0000, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com> wrote:

For your newsgroups file:
alt.magick.astrology A place where astrologers discuss magick.

Hooray! A tab character!

The description should be a phrase made up of key words that don't
repeat words from the group name, ending in a period. You have no useful
key words; "place" and "discuss" should never appear in a description.

CHARTER: alt.magick.astrology exists to discuss the use of astrology for >>working magick across cultures.

The newsgroup will not be moderated. Binary, off-topic, spam and >>advertising posts are not permitted. Discussion of hacks, cracks, warez, >>serial numbers or the illegal exchange of copyrighted software is
banned.

JUSTIFICATION: Using astrology as a form of magick is an ancient
practice that could benefit from usenet discussion.

Thank you.

That's not justification. Justification is you, the proponent, looking
on Usenet for topical discussion taking place and figuring out if the proposed group would have an audience. If there aren't 10 articles a day already that are part of on-topic discussion and not just someone
reposting articles from the Web, the group is unlikely to find an
audience.

Please note that no one in alt.config approves newsgroup proposals. You
are free to send the newgroup as you wish, or to keep looking for an audience. I would strongly urge you to find such discussion already
taking place on Usenet so you know who might subscribe to the group.

Also: Users have to request creation of the proposed group from their
News administrator, and then subscribe to it in their newsreader.

I realize alt.magick.* is an existing second level hierarchy, so hooray!
for that. Nevertheless, there are lots of astrology newsgroups. Is
magick ever discussed in them?

I doubt the moderated groups are active but you should check.

alt.astrology Twinkle, twinkle, little planet.
alt.astrology.asian The stars as they appear over the Orient. alt.astrology.cujo Cujo the resident kook-hunter of alt.astrology alt.astrology.ghouls A place for the assholes to put their
postdictions and get flamed alt.astrology.marketplace Astrology business; for-sale, want-to-buy ads.
alt.astrology.metapsych Discussion of astrology
alt.astrology.metapsych.cujo Cujo kook-hunter of
alt.astrology.metapsych alt.astrology.metapsych.moderated
Metaphysical Astrology (Moderated)
alt.astrology.moderated Study and practice of astrology. (moderated) (Moderated)
alt.astrology.moderated.metapsych No description. (Moderated) alt.astrology.pro No description.
alt.astrology.scam discussion of astrology as a con alt.astrology.toadology discussion of toadology vs. astrology alt.astrology.tropical Study & debate of tropical astrology.
(Moderated)
alt.fan.jai-maharaj A contributor to alt.astrology and soc.culture.indian.
alt.newage.astrology No description.
free.uk.astrology No description.
relcom.astrology Round table of Astrologer.RU (Moderated)

I tried sending a control message from my eternal september account, but nothing happened. X)

I have two reasons that I would like to create the group. The first is because I love usenet and want to understand and experience the process of creating a group. The other is because I think it would free up space for discussion that is already on alt.magick.

I would love to get any more words of wisdom from you here on alt.config
I reads that sometimes you guys will send out the control message for
people.
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.config

On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 21:16:22 +0000, Corey White wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 00:02:14 +0000, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com> wrote:

For your newsgroups file:
alt.magick.astrology A place where astrologers discuss magick.

Hooray! A tab character!

The description should be a phrase made up of key words that don't
repeat words from the group name, ending in a period. You have no
useful key words; "place" and "discuss" should never appear in a
description.

CHARTER: alt.magick.astrology exists to discuss the use of astrology
for working magick across cultures.

The newsgroup will not be moderated. Binary, off-topic, spam and >>>advertising posts are not permitted. Discussion of hacks, cracks,
warez,
serial numbers or the illegal exchange of copyrighted software is
banned.

JUSTIFICATION: Using astrology as a form of magick is an ancient
practice that could benefit from usenet discussion.

Thank you.

That's not justification. Justification is you, the proponent, looking
on Usenet for topical discussion taking place and figuring out if the
proposed group would have an audience. If there aren't 10 articles a
day already that are part of on-topic discussion and not just someone
reposting articles from the Web, the group is unlikely to find an
audience.

Please note that no one in alt.config approves newsgroup proposals. You
are free to send the newgroup as you wish, or to keep looking for an
audience. I would strongly urge you to find such discussion already
taking place on Usenet so you know who might subscribe to the group.

Also: Users have to request creation of the proposed group from their
News administrator, and then subscribe to it in their newsreader.

I realize alt.magick.* is an existing second level hierarchy, so
hooray!
for that. Nevertheless, there are lots of astrology newsgroups. Is
magick ever discussed in them?

I doubt the moderated groups are active but you should check.

alt.astrology Twinkle, twinkle, little planet.
alt.astrology.asian The stars as they appear over the Orient.
alt.astrology.cujo Cujo the resident kook-hunter of alt.astrology
alt.astrology.ghouls A place for the assholes to put their
postdictions and get flamed alt.astrology.marketplace Astrology
business; for-sale, want-to-buy ads.
alt.astrology.metapsych Discussion of astrology
alt.astrology.metapsych.cujo Cujo kook-hunter of
alt.astrology.metapsych alt.astrology.metapsych.moderated Metaphysical
Astrology (Moderated)
alt.astrology.moderated Study and practice of astrology. (moderated)
(Moderated)
alt.astrology.moderated.metapsych No description. (Moderated)
alt.astrology.pro No description.
alt.astrology.scam discussion of astrology as a con
alt.astrology.toadology discussion of toadology vs. astrology
alt.astrology.tropical Study & debate of tropical astrology.
(Moderated)
alt.fan.jai-maharaj A contributor to alt.astrology and
soc.culture.indian.
alt.newage.astrology No description.
free.uk.astrology No description.
relcom.astrology Round table of Astrologer.RU (Moderated)

I tried sending a control message from my eternal september account, but nothing happened. X)

I have two reasons that I would like to create the group. The first is because I love usenet and want to understand and experience the process
of creating a group. The other is because I think it would free up
space for discussion that is already on alt.magick.

I would love to get any more words of wisdom from you here on alt.config
I reads that sometimes you guys will send out the control message for
people.

I got the following error when I tried to send out the control message
using my python NNTP Library:

"nntplib.NNTPTemporaryError: 441 Posting Failed. None of the groups to
which the article was posted are valid. E1"


From: Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com>
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.magick.astrology
Newsgroups: all.all.ctl, alt.magick.astrology
Control: newgroup alt.magick.astrology
Message-ID: <linux$501$59fbaad$bef1$ab337517@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 00:44:47 +0000
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


For your newsgroups file:
alt.magick.astrology Conjuring astrological forces.


CHARTER: alt.magick.astrology exists to discuss the use of astrology for working magick.

The newsgroup will not be moderated. Binary, off-topic, spam and
advertising posts are not permitted. Discussion of hacks, cracks, warez, serial numbers or the illegal$

JUSTIFICATION: There is a great deal of interest in the emerging field of astrological magick.

Thank you.


(I also contacted my usenet administrator on Frugal Usenet and they told
me that I should be able to do this myself.)
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.config

Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 00:02:14 +0000, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com> wrote:

For your newsgroups file:
alt.magick.astrology A place where astrologers discuss magick.

Hooray! A tab character!

The description should be a phrase made up of key words that don't
repeat words from the group name, ending in a period. You have no useful
key words; "place" and "discuss" should never appear in a description.

CHARTER: alt.magick.astrology exists to discuss the use of astrology for >>>working magick across cultures.

The newsgroup will not be moderated. Binary, off-topic, spam and >>>advertising posts are not permitted. Discussion of hacks, cracks, warez, >>>serial numbers or the illegal exchange of copyrighted software is
banned.

JUSTIFICATION: Using astrology as a form of magick is an ancient
practice that could benefit from usenet discussion.

Thank you.

That's not justification. Justification is you, the proponent, looking
on Usenet for topical discussion taking place and figuring out if the
proposed group would have an audience. If there aren't 10 articles a day
already that are part of on-topic discussion and not just someone
reposting articles from the Web, the group is unlikely to find an
audience.

Please note that no one in alt.config approves newsgroup proposals. You
are free to send the newgroup as you wish, or to keep looking for an
audience. I would strongly urge you to find such discussion already
taking place on Usenet so you know who might subscribe to the group.

Also: Users have to request creation of the proposed group from their
News administrator, and then subscribe to it in their newsreader.

I realize alt.magick.* is an existing second level hierarchy, so hooray!
for that. Nevertheless, there are lots of astrology newsgroups. Is
magick ever discussed in them?

I doubt the moderated groups are active but you should check.

alt.astrology Twinkle, twinkle, little planet.
alt.astrology.asian The stars as they appear over the Orient.
alt.astrology.cujo Cujo the resident kook-hunter of alt.astrology
alt.astrology.ghouls A place for the assholes to put their
postdictions and get flamed alt.astrology.marketplace Astrology
business; for-sale, want-to-buy ads.
alt.astrology.metapsych Discussion of astrology
alt.astrology.metapsych.cujo Cujo kook-hunter of
alt.astrology.metapsych alt.astrology.metapsych.moderated
Metaphysical Astrology (Moderated)
alt.astrology.moderated Study and practice of astrology. (moderated)
(Moderated)
alt.astrology.moderated.metapsych No description. (Moderated)
alt.astrology.pro No description.
alt.astrology.scam discussion of astrology as a con
alt.astrology.toadology discussion of toadology vs. astrology
alt.astrology.tropical Study & debate of tropical astrology.
(Moderated)
alt.fan.jai-maharaj A contributor to alt.astrology and
soc.culture.indian.
alt.newage.astrology No description.
free.uk.astrology No description.
relcom.astrology Round table of Astrologer.RU (Moderated)

I tried sending a control message from my eternal september account, but >nothing happened. X)

I have two reasons that I would like to create the group. The first is >because I love usenet and want to understand and experience the process of >creating a group. The other is because I think it would free up space for >discussion that is already on alt.magick.

Usenet doesn't work like that. The more discussion in a single
newsgroup, the better.

Sending the newgroup message doesn't create the newsgroup. Users have to request creation from their News administrators, then subscribe to it.

This is the proponent's actual role, to get discussion going in the
proposed newsgroup, to get potential users to request creation from
their own News administrators, then to subscribe and start posting. The proponent's job isn't finished till there's sustainable discussion, at
least 10 articles a day.

I would love to get any more words of wisdom from you here on alt.config
I reads that sometimes you guys will send out the control message for >people.

--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.config

Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com> wrote:

I got the following error when I tried to send out the control message
using my python NNTP Library:

"nntplib.NNTPTemporaryError: 441 Posting Failed. None of the groups to
which the article was posted are valid. E1"

From: Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com>
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.magick.astrology
Newsgroups: all.all.ctl,

Good heavens. That's not a newsgroup. Post only to the newsgroup being
created by the newgroup message and no other newsgroup.

Where did you see that?

alt.magick.astrology

Control: newgroup alt.magick.astrology

Requires an approved header with your email address in it.

Message-ID: <linux$501$59fbaad$bef1$ab337517@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 00:44:47 +0000
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

For your newsgroups file:
alt.magick.astrology Conjuring astrological forces.

Put a tab character there. You had one the first time.

CHARTER: alt.magick.astrology exists to discuss the use of astrology for >working magick.

The newsgroup will not be moderated. Binary, off-topic, spam and
advertising posts are not permitted. Discussion of hacks, cracks, warez, >serial numbers or the illegal$

JUSTIFICATION: There is a great deal of interest in the emerging field of >astrological magick.

Just leave out the justification paragraph if you aren't doing an
article count.

(I also contacted my usenet administrator on Frugal Usenet and they told
me that I should be able to do this myself.)

Then send it through that News server. You'd probably need Ray's
permission to send it through eternal-september.
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.config

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 02:07:16 +0000, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com> wrote:

I got the following error when I tried to send out the control message >>using my python NNTP Library:

"nntplib.NNTPTemporaryError: 441 Posting Failed. None of the groups to >>which the article was posted are valid. E1"

From: Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com>
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.magick.astrology Newsgroups: all.all.ctl,

Good heavens. That's not a newsgroup. Post only to the newsgroup being created by the newgroup message and no other newsgroup.

Where did you see that?

alt.magick.astrology

Control: newgroup alt.magick.astrology

Requires an approved header with your email address in it.

Message-ID: <linux$501$59fbaad$bef1$ab337517@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 00:44:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: >>text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

For your newsgroups file:
alt.magick.astrology Conjuring astrological forces.

Put a tab character there. You had one the first time.

CHARTER: alt.magick.astrology exists to discuss the use of astrology for >>working magick.

The newsgroup will not be moderated. Binary, off-topic, spam and >>advertising posts are not permitted. Discussion of hacks, cracks, warez, >>serial numbers or the illegal$

JUSTIFICATION: There is a great deal of interest in the emerging field
of astrological magick.

Just leave out the justification paragraph if you aren't doing an
article count.

(I also contacted my usenet administrator on Frugal Usenet and they told
me that I should be able to do this myself.)

Then send it through that News server. You'd probably need Ray's
permission to send it through eternal-september.

I get the same error with this using the frugal usenet server:


From: Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com>
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.magick.astrology
Newsgroups: alt.magick.astrology
Control: newgroup alt.magick.astrology
Approved: realityhacker@gmail.com
Message-ID: <linux$501$59fbaad$bef1$ab337517@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 00:44:47 +0000
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


For your newsgroups file:
alt.magick.astrology Conjuring astrological forces.


CHARTER: alt.magick.astrology exists to discuss the use of astrology for working magick.

Thank you.
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.config

Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 02:07:16 +0000, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com> wrote:

. . .

(I also contacted my usenet administrator on Frugal Usenet and they told >>>me that I should be able to do this myself.)

Then send it through that News server. You'd probably need Ray's
permission to send it through eternal-september.

I get the same error with this using the frugal usenet server:

You state that you have permission from your News administrator to send
a newgroup message. The syntax is correct. If the server rejects it, you
need to communicate with him directly.

For your newsgroups file:
alt.magick.astrology Conjuring astrological forces.

Again: A tab character, not a series of space, is required. You were
able to produce a genuine tab character earlier. But this has nothing to
do with the error message.

For your newsgroups file:
alt.magick.astrology<tab character>Conjuring astrological forces.
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.config

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 16:59:37 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

Again: A tab character, not a series of space, is required. You were
able to produce a genuine tab character earlier. But this has nothing to
do with the error message.

I think that happens when I copy / paste into the newsgroup. I am
using tabs.
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.config

Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com> wrote:

Thu, 27 Jan 2022 16:59:37 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>:

Again: A tab character, not a series of space, is required. You were
able to produce a genuine tab character earlier. But this has nothing to
do with the error message.

I think that happens when I copy / paste into the newsgroup. I am
using tabs.

I'm sure you're right. Maybe just edit it to put the tab character in
before sending it?
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.config

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 02:00:05 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 00:02:14 +0000, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com> wrote:

For your newsgroups file:
alt.magick.astrology A place where astrologers discuss magick.

Hooray! A tab character!

The description should be a phrase made up of key words that don't
repeat words from the group name, ending in a period. You have no useful >>> key words; "place" and "discuss" should never appear in a description.

CHARTER: alt.magick.astrology exists to discuss the use of astrology for >>>>working magick across cultures.

The newsgroup will not be moderated. Binary, off-topic, spam and >>>>advertising posts are not permitted. Discussion of hacks, cracks, warez, >>>>serial numbers or the illegal exchange of copyrighted software is >>>>banned.

JUSTIFICATION: Using astrology as a form of magick is an ancient >>>>practice that could benefit from usenet discussion.

Thank you.

That's not justification. Justification is you, the proponent, looking
on Usenet for topical discussion taking place and figuring out if the
proposed group would have an audience. If there aren't 10 articles a day >>> already that are part of on-topic discussion and not just someone
reposting articles from the Web, the group is unlikely to find an
audience.

Please note that no one in alt.config approves newsgroup proposals. You
are free to send the newgroup as you wish, or to keep looking for an
audience. I would strongly urge you to find such discussion already
taking place on Usenet so you know who might subscribe to the group.

Also: Users have to request creation of the proposed group from their
News administrator, and then subscribe to it in their newsreader.

I realize alt.magick.* is an existing second level hierarchy, so hooray! >>> for that. Nevertheless, there are lots of astrology newsgroups. Is
magick ever discussed in them?

I doubt the moderated groups are active but you should check.

alt.astrology Twinkle, twinkle, little planet.
alt.astrology.asian The stars as they appear over the Orient.
alt.astrology.cujo Cujo the resident kook-hunter of alt.astrology
alt.astrology.ghouls A place for the assholes to put their
postdictions and get flamed alt.astrology.marketplace Astrology
business; for-sale, want-to-buy ads.
alt.astrology.metapsych Discussion of astrology
alt.astrology.metapsych.cujo Cujo kook-hunter of
alt.astrology.metapsych alt.astrology.metapsych.moderated
Metaphysical Astrology (Moderated)
alt.astrology.moderated Study and practice of astrology. (moderated)
(Moderated)
alt.astrology.moderated.metapsych No description. (Moderated)
alt.astrology.pro No description.
alt.astrology.scam discussion of astrology as a con
alt.astrology.toadology discussion of toadology vs. astrology
alt.astrology.tropical Study & debate of tropical astrology.
(Moderated)
alt.fan.jai-maharaj A contributor to alt.astrology and
soc.culture.indian.
alt.newage.astrology No description.
free.uk.astrology No description.
relcom.astrology Round table of Astrologer.RU (Moderated)

I tried sending a control message from my eternal september account, but >>nothing happened. X)

I have two reasons that I would like to create the group. The first is >>because I love usenet and want to understand and experience the process of >>creating a group. The other is because I think it would free up space for >>discussion that is already on alt.magick.

Usenet doesn't work like that. The more discussion in a single
newsgroup, the better.

Sending the newgroup message doesn't create the newsgroup. Users have to >request creation from their News administrators, then subscribe to it.

This is the proponent's actual role, to get discussion going in the
proposed newsgroup, to get potential users to request creation from
their own News administrators, then to subscribe and start posting. The >proponent's job isn't finished till there's sustainable discussion, at
least 10 articles a day.

So Frugal Usenet has the new group on their server now:
alt.magick.astrology

If you could offer any help getting the new group to propagate I would
be happy. X)
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.config

On Friday, January 28, 2022 06:21 PM Corey White wrote:

If you could offer any help getting the new group to propagate I would
be happy.

Back in the bad old days (good ones were before my time) proponents* would sometimes request each others group(s) on their own server. You seem to be
the lone proponent at the moment so convincing potential users of the group
to request it is your only option.
--
William

*And yes I did;-) Hi Adam!
--- Synchronet 3.21d-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: alt.config

Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 02:00:05 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 00:02:14 +0000, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com> wrote:

For your newsgroups file:
alt.magick.astrology A place where astrologers discuss magick.

Hooray! A tab character!

The description should be a phrase made up of key words that don't
repeat words from the group name, ending in a period. You have no useful >>>> key words; "place" and "discuss" should never appear in a description. >>>>

CHARTER: alt.magick.astrology exists to discuss the use of astrology for >>>>>working magick across cultures.

The newsgroup will not be moderated. Binary, off-topic, spam and >>>>>advertising posts are not permitted. Discussion of hacks, cracks, warez, >>>>>serial numbers or the illegal exchange of copyrighted software is >>>>>banned.

JUSTIFICATION: Using astrology as a form of magick is an ancient >>>>>practice that could benefit from usenet discussion.

Thank you.

That's not justification. Justification is you, the proponent, looking >>>> on Usenet for topical discussion taking place and figuring out if the
proposed group would have an audience. If there aren't 10 articles a day >>>> already that are part of on-topic discussion and not just someone
reposting articles from the Web, the group is unlikely to find an
audience.

Please note that no one in alt.config approves newsgroup proposals. You >>>> are free to send the newgroup as you wish, or to keep looking for an
audience. I would strongly urge you to find such discussion already
taking place on Usenet so you know who might subscribe to the group.

Also: Users have to request creation of the proposed group from their
News administrator, and then subscribe to it in their newsreader.

I realize alt.magick.* is an existing second level hierarchy, so hooray! >>>> for that. Nevertheless, there are lots of astrology newsgroups. Is
magick ever discussed in them?

I doubt the moderated groups are active but you should check.

alt.astrology Twinkle, twinkle, little planet.
alt.astrology.asian The stars as they appear over the Orient.
alt.astrology.cujo Cujo the resident kook-hunter of alt.astrology >>>> alt.astrology.ghouls A place for the assholes to put their
postdictions and get flamed alt.astrology.marketplace Astrology
business; for-sale, want-to-buy ads.
alt.astrology.metapsych Discussion of astrology
alt.astrology.metapsych.cujo Cujo kook-hunter of
alt.astrology.metapsych alt.astrology.metapsych.moderated
Metaphysical Astrology (Moderated)
alt.astrology.moderated Study and practice of astrology. (moderated)
(Moderated)
alt.astrology.moderated.metapsych No description. (Moderated)
alt.astrology.pro No description.
alt.astrology.scam discussion of astrology as a con
alt.astrology.toadology discussion of toadology vs. astrology
alt.astrology.tropical Study & debate of tropical astrology.
(Moderated)
alt.fan.jai-maharaj A contributor to alt.astrology and
soc.culture.indian.
alt.newage.astrology No description.
free.uk.astrology No description.
relcom.astrology Round table of Astrologer.RU (Moderated)

I tried sending a control message from my eternal september account, but >>>nothing happened. X)

I have two reasons that I would like to create the group. The first is >>>because I love usenet and want to understand and experience the process of >>>creating a group. The other is because I think it would free up space for >>>discussion that is already on alt.magick.

Usenet doesn't work like that. The more discussion in a single
newsgroup, the better.

Sending the newgroup message doesn't create the newsgroup. Users have to >>request creation from their News administrators, then subscribe to it.

This is the proponent's actual role, to get discussion going in the >>proposed newsgroup, to get potential users to request creation from
their own News administrators, then to subscribe and start posting. The >>proponent's job isn't finished till there's sustainable discussion, at >>least 10 articles a day.

So Frugal Usenet has the new group on their server now:
alt.magick.astrology

If you could offer any help getting the new group to propagate I would
be happy. X)

You've get to send that newgroup message, as most News servers require
that there be an archived newgroup message first. You've got to find users currently discussing the topic who will request creation of the group
locally, and then post to it, otherwise this isn't going anywhere.
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William Bagwell <321nospam@tds.net> wrote:

On Friday, January 28, 2022 06:21 PM Corey White wrote:

If you could offer any help getting the new group to propagate I would
be happy.

Back in the bad old days (good ones were before my time) proponents* would >sometimes request each others group(s) on their own server. You seem to be >the lone proponent at the moment so convincing potential users of the group >to request it is your only option.

*And yes I did;-) Hi Adam!

It's great to see you on Usenet.
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On 2022-01-26, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com> wrote:

For your newsgroups file:
alt.magick.astrology A place where astrologers discuss magick.

Hooray! A tab character!

I thought they were extinct. Now we need a breeding pair to release into
the wild.

<...>
--
PJR :-)
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On 2022-01-25, Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com> wrote:

JUSTIFICATION: Using astrology as a form of magick is an ancient practice that could benefit from usenet discussion.

As Adam has explained, this isn't justification. However, "ancient"
could be one of the keywords in your short description.

Question: Given that there are almost no posts in either alt.astrology
or alt.magick, what leads you to believe that there will be any posts
in your new group?

Please don't send any more attempts at control messages until discussion
here has ended.
--
PJR :-)
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On 2022-01-26, Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com> wrote:

I have two reasons that I would like to create the group. The first is because I love usenet and want to understand and experience the process of creating a group.

I understand the temptation, but it ought to be resisted. New groups
damage existing discussion unless there's public demand for them.

The other is because I think it would free up space for
discussion that is already on alt.magick.

I don't think either alt.astrology or alt.magick is going to run out of
space any time soon. Both of them are very nearly dead.

I would love to get any more words of wisdom from you here on alt.config
I reads that sometimes you guys will send out the control message for people.

Adam doesn't do that. I used to, but only if there was no other way of
making the proponent shut up and go away.

For further basic advice, see here:

http://alt-config.net/
--
PJR :-)
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On 2022-01-28, Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com> wrote:

So Frugal Usenet has the new group on their server now:
alt.magick.astrology

If you could offer any help getting the new group to propagate I would
be happy. X)

The group won't propagate unless there's an archived control message,
which there isn't.

(See control.newgroup for recent control messages.)
--
PJR :-)
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On 2022-01-29, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

William Bagwell <321nospam@tds.net> wrote:

On Friday, January 28, 2022 06:21 PM Corey White wrote:

If you could offer any help getting the new group to propagate I would
be happy.

Back in the bad old days (good ones were before my time) proponents* would >>sometimes request each others group(s) on their own server. You seem to be >>the lone proponent at the moment so convincing potential users of the group >>to request it is your only option.

*And yes I did;-) Hi Adam!

It's great to see you on Usenet.

Ditto!
--
PJR :-)
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On 2022-01-28, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com> wrote:

Thu, 27 Jan 2022 16:59:37 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>:

Again: A tab character, not a series of space, is required. You were
able to produce a genuine tab character earlier. But this has nothing to >>>do with the error message.

I think that happens when I copy / paste into the newsgroup. I am
using tabs.

I'm sure you're right. Maybe just edit it to put the tab character in
before sending it?

Who are you and what have you done with the real Adam?

The real Adam would advise the proponent to try discussing the topic in alt.astrology and alt.magic, resorting to the arduous process of
trying to bring a new newsgroup to life only when a large number of
posts demonstrated that it was needed.
--
PJR :-)
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On Saturday, January 29, 2022 10:04 AM Peter J Ross wrote:

Adam doesn't do that. I used to, but only if there was no other way of
making the proponent shut up and go away.

I have not had an account allowing control messages for a decade or more.

For further basic advice, see here:

http://alt-config.net/

Be aware the propagation search is way out of date and no longer maintained. Cron only runs once a year and only about 9 of the 50 servers /appeared/ to update this year. No guarantee they actually did...
--
William
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On Saturday, January 29, 2022 10:08 AM Peter J Ross wrote:

On 2022-01-29, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

William Bagwell <321nospam@tds.net> wrote:

On Friday, January 28, 2022 06:21 PM Corey White wrote:

If you could offer any help getting the new group to propagate I would >>>>be happy.

Back in the bad old days (good ones were before my time) proponents* >>>would sometimes request each others group(s) on their own server. You >>>seem to be the lone proponent at the moment so convincing potential users >>>of the group to request it is your only option.

*And yes I did;-) Hi Adam!

It's great to see you on Usenet.

Ditto!

Hard drive in my beloved Mandriva 2008 Spring computer failed about 15
months ago. Jumped over to my 'new' <cough> Mageia 5.0 rig. Getting back on Usenet has been a bit low on my priority list.
--
William

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Peter J Ross <pjr@example.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-01-28, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com> wrote:

Thu, 27 Jan 2022 16:59:37 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>:

Again: A tab character, not a series of space, is required. You were >>>>able to produce a genuine tab character earlier. But this has nothing to >>>>do with the error message.

I think that happens when I copy / paste into the newsgroup. I am
using tabs.

I'm sure you're right. Maybe just edit it to put the tab character in >>before sending it?

Who are you and what have you done with the real Adam?

The real Adam would advise the proponent to try discussing the topic in >alt.astrology and alt.magic, resorting to the arduous process of
trying to bring a new newsgroup to life only when a large number of
posts demonstrated that it was needed.

I seem to recall saying all that earlier, and providing a list of
newsgroups in which discussion the proponent wanted would be on topic.
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On 2022-01-29, William Bagwell <UseOther@sThisOne.Invalid> wrote:

On Saturday, January 29, 2022 10:04 AM Peter J Ross wrote:

Adam doesn't do that. I used to, but only if there was no other way of
making the proponent shut up and go away.

I have not had an account allowing control messages for a decade or more.

The server I used for control messages no longer exists. I know of an alternative that might work, but I'm not going to mention it when a trigger-happy proponent is listening.

For further basic advice, see here:

http://alt-config.net/

Be aware the propagation search is way out of date and no longer maintained. Cron only runs once a year and only about 9 of the 50 servers /appeared/ to update this year. No guarantee they actually did...

Death of Usenet. Film at 11.

Would you be willing to upgrade validator.php? I notice that it catches "discuss" and "discussion" only as the first word of the short
description, and doesn't catch words like "place" and "forum" at all.

These are the relevant parts of the existing code:

#v+

$warningDiscuss = $warningString1 . "Words such as \"discuss\" or \"discussion\" are superfluous in a newsgroup description; all newsgroups are intended for discussion." . $warningString2;


if (preg_match('/^[Dd]iscuss(ion)*/', $groupDesc)) {
$warn = TRUE;
echo $warningDiscuss;
}

#v-

But is it worth the effort?
--
PJR :-)
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On 2022-01-29, William Bagwell <UseOther@sThisOne.Invalid> wrote:

On Saturday, January 29, 2022 10:08 AM Peter J Ross wrote:

On 2022-01-29, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

William Bagwell <321nospam@tds.net> wrote:

On Friday, January 28, 2022 06:21 PM Corey White wrote:

If you could offer any help getting the new group to propagate I would >>>>>be happy.

Back in the bad old days (good ones were before my time) proponents* >>>>would sometimes request each others group(s) on their own server. You >>>>seem to be the lone proponent at the moment so convincing potential users >>>>of the group to request it is your only option.

*And yes I did;-) Hi Adam!

It's great to see you on Usenet.

Ditto!

Hard drive in my beloved Mandriva 2008 Spring computer failed about 15 months ago. Jumped over to my 'new' <cough> Mageia 5.0 rig. Getting back on Usenet has been a bit low on my priority list.

Nobody cares or even notices when *I'm* absent for 15 months or more,
because you're one of the nice guys and I am not!

Mageia is a new name to me. I used Mandrake for a while circa 2001,
because I couldn't get X working on Debian Potato, and I liked it. I'm
not happy with modern Debian or Ubuntu, so perhaps I ought to try
Mageia.

Meanwhile, I have Windows 2000 running in VirtualBox, so, if you'll
excuse me, I have to bash some Ice Drakes in Exile 3.
--
PJR :-)
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On 2022-01-29, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

Peter J Ross <pjr@example.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-01-28, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com> wrote:

Thu, 27 Jan 2022 16:59:37 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>:

Again: A tab character, not a series of space, is required. You were >>>>>able to produce a genuine tab character earlier. But this has nothing to >>>>>do with the error message.

I think that happens when I copy / paste into the newsgroup. I am >>>>using tabs.

I'm sure you're right. Maybe just edit it to put the tab character in >>>before sending it?

Who are you and what have you done with the real Adam?

The real Adam would advise the proponent to try discussing the topic in >>alt.astrology and alt.magic, resorting to the arduous process of
trying to bring a new newsgroup to life only when a large number of
posts demonstrated that it was needed.

I seem to recall saying all that earlier, and providing a list of
newsgroups in which discussion the proponent wanted would be on topic.

Yes, but now you're encouraging him to send a newgroup message for an unjustified newsgroup. Why such haste? Has -=Hawk=- hypnotised you?
--
PJR :-)
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On Saturday, January 29, 2022 12:22 PM Peter J Ross wrote:

On 2022-01-29, William Bagwell <UseOther@sThisOne.Invalid> wrote:

On Saturday, January 29, 2022 10:04 AM Peter J Ross wrote:

Adam doesn't do that. I used to, but only if there was no other way of
making the proponent shut up and go away.

I have not had an account allowing control messages for a decade or more.

The server I used for control messages no longer exists. I know of an alternative that might work, but I'm not going to mention it when a trigger-happy proponent is listening.

Used Newsguy for my very first booster 22 years ago, then switched to "Alt"
as in "alt.net" for the next few. No idea if either still allow? Altopia
used to send them on behalf of customers. Never bothered him all the years I had an account.

For further basic advice, see here:

http://alt-config.net/

Be aware the propagation search is way out of date and no longer
maintained. Cron only runs once a year and only about 9 of the 50 servers
/appeared/ to update this year. No guarantee they actually did...

Death of Usenet. Film at 11.

Would you be willing to upgrade validator.php? I notice that it catches "discuss" and "discussion" only as the first word of the short
description, and doesn't catch words like "place" and "forum" at all.

Time permitting, willing to update anything except Mike's perl in the core. Ain't never going to mess with that headache inducing mess again!

These are the relevant parts of the existing code:

#v+

$warningDiscuss = $warningString1 . "Words such as \"discuss\" or \"discussion\" are superfluous in a newsgroup description; all newsgroups
are intended for discussion." . $warningString2;

if (preg_match('/^[Dd]iscuss(ion)*/', $groupDesc)) {
$warn = TRUE;
echo $warningDiscuss;
}

#v-

But is it worth the effort?

Probably not. But might be more enthusiastic in a few years. Counting down until I can retire!
--
William

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Peter J Ross <pjr@example.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-01-29, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

Peter J Ross <pjr@example.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-01-28, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

Corey White <realityhacker@gmail.com> wrote:

Thu, 27 Jan 2022 16:59:37 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>:

Again: A tab character, not a series of space, is required. You were >>>>>>able to produce a genuine tab character earlier. But this has nothing to >>>>>>do with the error message.

I think that happens when I copy / paste into the newsgroup. I am >>>>>using tabs.

I'm sure you're right. Maybe just edit it to put the tab character in >>>>before sending it?

Who are you and what have you done with the real Adam?

The real Adam would advise the proponent to try discussing the topic in >>>alt.astrology and alt.magic, resorting to the arduous process of
trying to bring a new newsgroup to life only when a large number of
posts demonstrated that it was needed.

I seem to recall saying all that earlier, and providing a list of >>newsgroups in which discussion the proponent wanted would be on topic.

Yes, but now you're encouraging him to send a newgroup message for an >unjustified newsgroup. Why such haste? Has -=Hawk=- hypnotised you?

At the moment, I'm discussing syntax.

Fine.

Proponent: Please get discussion going on topic in the existing
newsgroup alt.magick FIRST before sending the newgroup message. Once
discussion is taking place, then you can make an informed decision about whether a separate newsgroup is warranted, paying attention to whether
those discussing the topic actually want to move discussion to the
proposed newsgroup.
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On 2022-01-29, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

Proponent: Please get discussion going on topic in the existing
newsgroup alt.magick FIRST before sending the newgroup message. Once discussion is taking place, then you can make an informed decision about whether a separate newsgroup is warranted, paying attention to whether
those discussing the topic actually want to move discussion to the
proposed newsgroup.

I agree. Dear Corey, this is the consensus of alt.config. You asked, we answered. And it's nice to discuss a proposal without idiots buggering
it up!
--
PJR :-)
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On Saturday, January 29, 2022 12:55 PM Peter J Ross wrote:

On 2022-01-29, William Bagwell <UseOther@sThisOne.Invalid> wrote:

On Saturday, January 29, 2022 10:08 AM Peter J Ross wrote:

On 2022-01-29, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

It's great to see you on Usenet.

Ditto!

Hard drive in my beloved Mandriva 2008 Spring computer failed about 15
months ago. Jumped over to my 'new' <cough> Mageia 5.0 rig. Getting back
on Usenet has been a bit low on my priority list.

Nobody cares or even notices when *I'm* absent for 15 months or more,
because you're one of the nice guys and I am not!

Aww, you are o... Never mind, nice try though;-)

Mageia is a new name to me. I used Mandrake for a while circa 2001,
because I couldn't get X working on Debian Potato, and I liked it. I'm
not happy with modern Debian or Ubuntu, so perhaps I ought to try
Mageia.

One of the two early forks of Mandriva, PC Linux OS being the other. If you are fluent in Russian or Portuguese Mandriva might still be a choice. Died
for English language users years ago.

Oh, tried Warty Warthog (still have the disc) and never touched Ubuntu
again.

Meanwhile, I have Windows 2000 running in VirtualBox, so, if you'll
excuse me, I have to bash some Ice Drakes in Exile 3.

Gives me an idea. Need to do some homework and will get back to this in two
or three years.
--
William

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