• Proposing alt.security.engineering

    From Keith@user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.config on Wed Dec 31 22:44:27 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.config


    first of all i am an amateur (that doesn't mean i'm incompetent quiz me if you want), but i feel like security engineering as a field should have a sub-hierarchy

    again i have no control group perms, so would be really cool if someone could create this :D
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  • From Keith@user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.config on Wed Dec 31 23:27:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.config


    Keith <user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:


    first of all i am an amateur (that doesn't mean i'm incompetent quiz me if you
    want), but i feel like security engineering as a field should have a sub-hierarchy

    again i have no control group perms, so would be really cool if someone could create this :D
    unmoderated btw
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  • From William Stickers@bill.stickers@innocent.com to alt.config on Fri Jan 2 10:29:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.config

    Keith wrote:

    first of all i am an amateur (that doesn't mean i'm incompetent quiz me if you
    want), but i feel like security engineering as a field should have a sub-hierarchy

    again i have no control group perms, so would be really cool if someone could create this :D

    <https://www.reddit.com/r/securityengineering/>
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  • From Keith@user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.config on Fri Jan 2 11:19:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.config


    William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> posted:

    Keith wrote:

    first of all i am an amateur (that doesn't mean i'm incompetent quiz me if you
    want), but i feel like security engineering as a field should have a sub-hierarchy

    again i have no control group perms, so would be really cool if someone could
    create this :D

    <https://www.reddit.com/r/securityengineering/>

    why can't we have both spaces?
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Keith@user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.config on Fri Jan 2 13:04:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.config


    Keith <user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:


    William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> posted:

    Keith wrote:

    first of all i am an amateur (that doesn't mean i'm incompetent quiz me if you
    want), but i feel like security engineering as a field should have a sub-hierarchy

    again i have no control group perms, so would be really cool if someone could
    create this :D

    <https://www.reddit.com/r/securityengineering/>

    why can't we have both spaces?

    i'm just going to set this shit up myself thats the best thing about this platform
    no one can censor you because you can just run everything independently, no wonder
    it has been consistently active for like 50+ years
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From William Stickers@bill.stickers@innocent.com to alt.config on Fri Jan 2 14:20:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.config

    Keith wrote:

    Keith <user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:


    William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> posted:

    Keith wrote:

    first of all i am an amateur (that doesn't mean i'm incompetent quiz me if you
    want), but i feel like security engineering as a field should have a sub-hierarchy

    again i have no control group perms, so would be really cool if someone could
    create this :D

    <https://www.reddit.com/r/securityengineering/>

    why can't we have both spaces?

    i'm just going to set this shit up myself thats the best thing about this platform
    no one can censor you because you can just run everything independently, no wonder
    it has been consistently active for like 50+ years

    I don't think you quite get it. The reason there are not half a dozen usenetters on here explaining the pros and cons of creating this group is because they have moved on. Mostly everyone has, even the spammers have given up. You've missed the party.
    Good luck with sending the newgroup cmsg. I don't know of any NSPs that allow them anymore.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Nuno Silva@nunojsilva@invalid.invalid to alt.config on Fri Jan 2 15:37:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.config

    On 2026-01-02, William Stickers wrote:

    Keith wrote:

    Keith <user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:


    William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> posted:

    Keith wrote:

    first of all i am an amateur (that doesn't mean i'm
    incompetent quiz me if you
    want), but i feel like security engineering as a field should
    have a sub-hierarchy

    again i have no control group perms, so would be really cool if someone could
    create this :D

    <https://www.reddit.com/r/securityengineering/>

    why can't we have both spaces?

    i'm just going to set this shit up myself thats the best thing about this platform
    no one can censor you because you can just run everything independently, no wonder
    it has been consistently active for like 50+ years

    I don't think you quite get it. The reason there are not half a dozen usenetters on here explaining the pros and cons of creating this group is because they have moved on. Mostly everyone has, even the spammers have given
    up. You've missed the party.
    Good luck with sending the newgroup cmsg. I don't know of any NSPs that allow
    them anymore.

    Has this changed significantly in the past couple years or so?

    Just a few years ago at least three alt.* groups were created after
    Giganews and Mozilla pulled the plug on news.mozilla.org.
    --
    Nuno Silva
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to alt.config on Fri Jan 2 15:57:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.config

    Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 2026-01-02, William Stickers wrote:

    Keith wrote:

    Keith <user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:


    William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> posted:

    Keith wrote:

    first of all i am an amateur (that doesn't mean i'm
    incompetent quiz me if you
    want), but i feel like security engineering as a field should
    have a sub-hierarchy

    again i have no control group perms, so would be really cool if >someone could
    create this :D

    <https://www.reddit.com/r/securityengineering/>

    why can't we have both spaces?

    i'm just going to set this shit up myself thats the best thing about
    this platform
    no one can censor you because you can just run everything
    independently, no wonder
    it has been consistently active for like 50+ years

    I don't think you quite get it. The reason there are not half a dozen
    usenetters on here explaining the pros and cons of creating this group is >> because they have moved on. Mostly everyone has, even the spammers have given
    up. You've missed the party.
    Good luck with sending the newgroup cmsg. I don't know of any NSPs that allow
    them anymore.

    Has this changed significantly in the past couple years or so?

    Just a few years ago at least three alt.* groups were created after
    Giganews and Mozilla pulled the plug on news.mozilla.org.

    How is that comparable? A small fraction of the users were highly
    motivated to continue communicating, choosing to start three Usenet
    groups. The move to these groups did not retain much of the old
    audience. Please don't bring up irrelevancies.

    Our Dear Proponent, who proposed two newsgroups despite never having
    posted to Usenet, effectively wants vanity froups. He has threatened to
    set up his own News server if he cannot get what he wants, because he
    believes he's being censored. He refuses to understand that if the
    Usenet community is ignorant and apathetic about his froups, which are admittedly the greatest thing since sliced bread, that he has been
    censored. He's a would-be dictator who thinks he can force others to
    talk about his topics despite no one having any idea who he is, nor do
    they give a fuck.

    Let's say by some miracle he figures out how to properly configure a
    News server and it doesn't become a major originating source of spam. He
    still won't have an audience for either of the two froups. He'll claim he's been censored and will stalk off.

    This is the true nature of Usenet. Audiences must be built. It's real
    work. There are no shortcuts. Just because one doesn't care to put in
    the work to build an audience doesn't make one the victim of censorship.
    It's because one is an uncaring lazy and worthless proponent.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From s|b@me@privacy.invalid to alt.config on Fri Jan 2 16:58:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.config

    On Fri, 2 Jan 2026 10:29:01 -0000, William Stickers wrote:

    <https://www.reddit.com/r/securityengineering/>

    I read somewhere that over 50% of the messages on Reddit come from bots
    (Dead Internet is here). I know from experience that it's a toxic
    cesspool, similar to Twitter, and the whole system of
    upvotes/downvotes/karma is broken and set up to create negative feelings towards each other.
    --
    s|b
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  • From William Stickers@bill.stickers@innocent.com to alt.config on Fri Jan 2 16:19:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.config

    Nuno Silva wrote:

    On 2026-01-02, William Stickers wrote:

    Keith wrote:

    Keith <user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:


    William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> posted:

    Keith wrote:

    first of all i am an amateur (that doesn't mean i'm
    incompetent quiz me if you
    want), but i feel like security engineering as a field should
    have a sub-hierarchy

    again i have no control group perms, so would be really cool if someone could
    create this :D

    <https://www.reddit.com/r/securityengineering/>

    why can't we have both spaces?

    i'm just going to set this shit up myself thats the best thing about this platform
    no one can censor you because you can just run everything independently, no wonder
    it has been consistently active for like 50+ years

    I don't think you quite get it. The reason there are not half a dozen usenetters on here explaining the pros and cons of creating this group is because they have moved on. Mostly everyone has, even the spammers have given
    up. You've missed the party.
    Good luck with sending the newgroup cmsg. I don't know of any NSPs that allow
    them anymore.

    Has this changed significantly in the past couple years or so?

    Just a few years ago at least three alt.* groups were created after
    Giganews and Mozilla pulled the plug on news.mozilla.org.

    I think those alt* groups were prolly made by NSP admins at the request of users following news.mozilla.org shutting down.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From William Stickers@bill.stickers@innocent.com to alt.config on Fri Jan 2 16:19:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.config

    s|b wrote:

    On Fri, 2 Jan 2026 10:29:01 -0000, William Stickers wrote:

    <https://www.reddit.com/r/securityengineering/>

    I read somewhere that over 50% of the messages on Reddit come from bots
    (Dead Internet is here). I know from experience that it's a toxic
    cesspool, similar to Twitter, and the whole system of
    upvotes/downvotes/karma is broken and set up to create negative feelings towards each other.

    I couldn't care less about upvotes or downvotes and I only believe half of what
    I read anywhere anyway. The main thing these web forums have that usenet doesn't is traffic. Also they are moderated, so no flame wars and not excessive
    off topic posting. I prefer usenet to them, but there is no point flogging a dead horse and sadly usenet is limping towards the knackers yard.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Keith@user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.config on Sun Jan 4 02:58:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.config


    William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> posted:

    Keith wrote:

    Keith <user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:


    William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> posted:

    Keith wrote:

    first of all i am an amateur (that doesn't mean i'm incompetent quiz me if you
    want), but i feel like security engineering as a field should have a sub-hierarchy

    again i have no control group perms, so would be really cool if someone could
    create this :D

    <https://www.reddit.com/r/securityengineering/>

    why can't we have both spaces?

    i'm just going to set this shit up myself thats the best thing about this platform
    no one can censor you because you can just run everything independently, no wonder
    it has been consistently active for like 50+ years

    I don't think you quite get it. The reason there are not half a dozen usenetters on here explaining the pros and cons of creating this group is because they have moved on. Mostly everyone has, even the spammers have given
    up. You've missed the party.
    Good luck with sending the newgroup cmsg. I don't know of any NSPs that allow
    them anymore.

    there's always a way :D

    or if there actually isn't why not just create a separate system that could
    be interoperable with usenet.

    i just don't understand the negativity here, something being unpopular doesn't mean there isn't inherent value in it, i am a fan of distributed nearly uncensor-
    able systems and i know i'm not the only one.

    "people have moved on" yet the protocol remains consistently active across a variety of newsgroups.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Keith@user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.config on Sun Jan 4 03:00:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.config


    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> posted:

    Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 2026-01-02, William Stickers wrote:

    Keith wrote:

    Keith <user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:


    William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> posted:

    Keith wrote:

    first of all i am an amateur (that doesn't mean i'm
    incompetent quiz me if you
    want), but i feel like security engineering as a field should
    have a sub-hierarchy

    again i have no control group perms, so would be really cool if >someone could
    create this :D

    <https://www.reddit.com/r/securityengineering/>

    why can't we have both spaces?

    i'm just going to set this shit up myself thats the best thing about >this platform
    no one can censor you because you can just run everything
    independently, no wonder
    it has been consistently active for like 50+ years

    I don't think you quite get it. The reason there are not half a dozen
    usenetters on here explaining the pros and cons of creating this group is >> because they have moved on. Mostly everyone has, even the spammers have given
    up. You've missed the party.
    Good luck with sending the newgroup cmsg. I don't know of any NSPs that allow
    them anymore.

    Has this changed significantly in the past couple years or so?

    Just a few years ago at least three alt.* groups were created after >Giganews and Mozilla pulled the plug on news.mozilla.org.

    How is that comparable? A small fraction of the users were highly
    motivated to continue communicating, choosing to start three Usenet
    groups. The move to these groups did not retain much of the old
    audience. Please don't bring up irrelevancies.

    Our Dear Proponent, who proposed two newsgroups despite never having
    posted to Usenet, effectively wants vanity froups. He has threatened to
    set up his own News server if he cannot get what he wants, because he believes he's being censored. He refuses to understand that if the
    Usenet community is ignorant and apathetic about his froups, which are admittedly the greatest thing since sliced bread, that he has been
    censored. He's a would-be dictator who thinks he can force others to
    talk about his topics despite no one having any idea who he is, nor do
    they give a fuck.

    Let's say by some miracle he figures out how to properly configure a
    News server and it doesn't become a major originating source of spam. He still won't have an audience for either of the two froups. He'll claim he's been censored and will stalk off.

    This is the true nature of Usenet. Audiences must be built. It's real
    work. There are no shortcuts. Just because one doesn't care to put in
    the work to build an audience doesn't make one the victim of censorship.
    It's because one is an uncaring lazy and worthless proponent.

    i want to apologize for the threatening language and the personal attacks, you have
    much more experience than i do. i just think it's sad that long-term users of this platform don't seem to get why so many people want a return to moderation being the responsibility of users.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to alt.config on Sun Jan 4 05:34:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.config

    Keith <user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    i want to apologize for the threatening language and the personal attacks, you have
    much more experience than i do.

    I don't care. I try to tell the proponent what he needs to know. You
    aren't the first and won't be the last not to like it.

    You can still take this seriously by posting on topic in an existing engineering group, with your own words and not reposted material from
    the Web, trying to build an audience. Audience first, then determine if
    a group for the narrower topic is needed.

    i just think it's sad that long-term users of this platform don't
    seem to get why so many people want a return to moderation being the >responsibility of users.

    I don't see the relevancy to a configging discussion.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to alt.config on Sun Jan 4 05:41:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.config

    Keith <user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    or if there actually isn't why not just create a separate system that could >be interoperable with usenet.

    There are Web interfaces. I prefer a newsreader and traditional News
    server.

    i just don't understand the negativity here, something being unpopular doesn't >mean there isn't inherent value in it, i am a fan of distributed nearly uncensor-
    able systems and i know i'm not the only one.

    No one has judged the inherent value of the topic. The issue is whether
    you are motivated to build a Usenet audience. Discussion must come
    first. An empty newsgroup doesn't magically start discussion.

    "people have moved on" yet the protocol remains consistently active across a >variety of newsgroups.

    It's a wonderful but less well known medium of communication.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Keith@user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.config on Sun Jan 4 21:27:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.config


    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> posted:

    Keith <user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    or if there actually isn't why not just create a separate system that could >be interoperable with usenet.

    There are Web interfaces. I prefer a newsreader and traditional News
    server.

    i just don't understand the negativity here, something being unpopular doesn't
    mean there isn't inherent value in it, i am a fan of distributed nearly uncensor-
    able systems and i know i'm not the only one.

    No one has judged the inherent value of the topic. The issue is whether
    you are motivated to build a Usenet audience. Discussion must come
    first. An empty newsgroup doesn't magically start discussion.

    "people have moved on" yet the protocol remains consistently active across a >variety of newsgroups.

    It's a wonderful but less well known medium of communication.

    actions speak louder than words and i hope that with time my contributions will prove to be useful
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Nuno Silva@nunojsilva@invalid.invalid to alt.config on Sat Jan 17 12:21:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.config

    On 2026-01-02, William Stickers wrote:

    Nuno Silva wrote:

    On 2026-01-02, William Stickers wrote:

    [...]
    I don't think you quite get it. The reason there are not half a dozen
    usenetters on here explaining the pros and cons of creating this group is >> > because they have moved on. Mostly everyone has, even the spammers have given
    up. You've missed the party.
    Good luck with sending the newgroup cmsg. I don't know of any NSPs that allow
    them anymore.

    Has this changed significantly in the past couple years or so?

    Just a few years ago at least three alt.* groups were created after
    Giganews and Mozilla pulled the plug on news.mozilla.org.

    I think those alt* groups were prolly made by NSP admins at the request of users following news.mozilla.org shutting down.

    Then I probably confused or misremembered the means used to create these groups, I thought control messages had been used too.
    --
    Nuno Silva
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From William Stickers@bill.stickers@innocent.com to alt.config on Sat Jan 17 12:37:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.config

    Nuno Silva wrote:

    On 2026-01-02, William Stickers wrote:

    Nuno Silva wrote:

    On 2026-01-02, William Stickers wrote:

    [...]
    I don't think you quite get it. The reason there are not half a dozen >> > usenetters on here explaining the pros and cons of creating this group is
    because they have moved on. Mostly everyone has, even the spammers have given
    up. You've missed the party.
    Good luck with sending the newgroup cmsg. I don't know of any NSPs that allow
    them anymore.

    Has this changed significantly in the past couple years or so?

    Just a few years ago at least three alt.* groups were created after
    Giganews and Mozilla pulled the plug on news.mozilla.org.

    I think those alt* groups were prolly made by NSP admins at the request of users following news.mozilla.org shutting down.

    Then I probably confused or misremembered the means used to create these groups, I thought control messages had been used too.

    No you're right, control messages were used by those that can do it, prolly nsp
    admins.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to alt.config on Sat Jan 17 17:17:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.config

    William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> wrote:
    Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2026-01-02, William Stickers wrote:
    Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2026-01-02, William Stickers wrote:

    [...]

    Just a few years ago at least three alt.* groups were created after >>>>Giganews and Mozilla pulled the plug on news.mozilla.org.

    I think those alt* groups were prolly made by NSP admins at the request of >>>users following news.mozilla.org shutting down.

    Then I probably confused or misremembered the means used to create these >>groups, I thought control messages had been used too.

    No you're right, control messages were used by those that can do it,
    prolly nsp admins.

    The newgroup control messages were sent by the proponent, which is what is intended to be done in alt.

    Control messages do not create newsgroups. Generally, News
    administrators do not allow receipt of a control message to
    automatically create a newsgroup in alt or free.

    It is correct to assume that the News administrator won't create the
    group locally absent a user request.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Keith@user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.config on Sun Jan 18 23:50:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.config


    Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> posted:

    On 2026-01-02, William Stickers wrote:

    Nuno Silva wrote:

    On 2026-01-02, William Stickers wrote:

    [...]
    I don't think you quite get it. The reason there are not half a dozen >> > usenetters on here explaining the pros and cons of creating this group is
    because they have moved on. Mostly everyone has, even the spammers have given
    up. You've missed the party.
    Good luck with sending the newgroup cmsg. I don't know of any NSPs that allow
    them anymore.

    Has this changed significantly in the past couple years or so?

    Just a few years ago at least three alt.* groups were created after
    Giganews and Mozilla pulled the plug on news.mozilla.org.

    I think those alt* groups were prolly made by NSP admins at the request of users following news.mozilla.org shutting down.

    Then I probably confused or misremembered the means used to create these groups, I thought control messages had been used too.


    i've been hypothesizing control-level attacks and frankly i dont want to resort to them but i will because i am a stochastic terrorist :D xah lee is my daddy

    what happens when an NSP is subtly infiltrated by people much more sophisticated
    than them Lol :D

    at what point do you give up, the fact that i have to resort to this is ridiculous.
    people love this protocol they love to be able send messages and not be censored.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
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    On Fri, 2 Jan 2026 14:20:24 -0000, LO AND BEHOLD; William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> determined that the following was of great importance to William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> and
    subsequently decided to freely share it with us in <HuQ5R.71959$xpq1.57555@usenetxs.com>:

    =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Keith wrote:
    =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Keith <user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:
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    =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Keith wrote:
    =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= first of all i am an amateur (that doesn't mean i'm incompetent quiz me
    =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= if you want), but i feel like security engineering as a field should
    =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= have a sub-hierarchy again i have no control group perms, so would be
    =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= really cool if someone could create this :D
    =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= <https://www.reddit.com/r/securityengineering/>
    =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= why can't we have both spaces?
    =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= i'm just going to set this shit up myself thats the best thing about
    =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= this platform no one can censor you because you can just run everything
    =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= independently, no wonder it has been consistently active for like 50+
    =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= years =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
    =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= I don't think you quite get it. The reason there are not half a dozen
    =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= usenetters on here explaining the pros and cons of creating this group
    =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= is because they have moved on. Mostly everyone has, even the spammers
    =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= have given up. You've missed the party. Good luck with sending the
    =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= newgroup cmsg. I don't know of any NSPs that allow them anymore.
    =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=

    The Gatekeeping Edgelord hath Spaken!!!1
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    Message-ID: <MPG.439a275e15d584ba98a8fb@usnews.blocknews.net>
    From: Skeeter <invalid@none.com>

    Perhaps YOUR neighbors should know about your plastic garbage bag floor coverings held stable by turpentine and paint thinner cans on the corners so you can grow and process your "medicinal" dog shit boot floor weed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUefkJHMu3Y
    https://ibb.co/KLbt06s https://i.ibb.co/fnq31MN/Skeeters-Brick-Weed-Shitbox-Trailer-3.jpg https://ibb.co/XFXBpkX https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtIIQdaP03JS8EroV0p0WNQ https://ibb.co/zNN7mb1
    https://ibb.co/SBQc1cb

    HTH, criminal.

    What I do is legal. Your neighbors might think different
    about a tranny, obsessed lying gun fanatic. - Anton Eaks grows his dog shit boot garbage bag floor weed "LEGALLY", TYVM!

    --

    "The percentage of poasters with mental issues gets bigger every day as the 'sane' poasters give up on usenet." - Some insane Usenet poster

    Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2025 13:04:54 +0100
    From: onion@anon.invalid (Mr ?n!on)
    Message-ID: <1rgqzzk.2zxwu61j7n037N%onion@anon.invalid>
    I rebut his unsupported allegation that I "have made multiple
    intimidating threats in January to "post my pics". "
    A proper citation is required. I won't be holding my breath.

    Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2025 15:28:30 +0000
    From: snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)
    Message-ID: <1r5hmpt.7k31k41v4jkebN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>
    Maybe Usenet -is- ready to see those selfies again after all. [fu set]

    Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2025 00:28:07 +0000
    From: snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)
    Message-ID: <1r5k6g1.1oxpq95ksjpy2N%snipeco.2@gmail.com>
    If you keep on jumping on my poasts I'll put those selfies up.
    Fair warning, your choice.

    Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 20:27:15 +0000
    From: snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)
    Message-ID: <1r67y1d.1xu2dkypsqalhN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>
    I also have those selfies. Your choice, be warned.

    "Whereas I CAN post non-sequiturs, as I prove with my reply" - Kent Bradley Wills in Message-ID: <acpb6khjfsur6le8u914f7a37asce7hjcu@4ax.com>

    Kent/Kenito Wills is a lying fraud and a world-class K0ok:

    <https://www.facebook.com/photo.php? fbid=10226575407554944&set=pb.1339154565.-2207520000&type=3>

    "A very special Happy Son's Day to my most beloved son, Kent. This
    picture was taken before you lost over 100 lbs."

    "Ken|!to Wills (https://www.facebook.com/kwills3)
    ItrCOs not my birthday. ThatrCOs in January."

    Kent celebrating his 49th birthday after losing 100 lbs https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10226575407554944&set=pb.1339154565.-2207520000&type=3
    Fred A Wills
    A very special Happy Son's Day to my most beloved son, Kent. This picture was taken before you lost over 100 lbs.

    Vangie Hansen
    Happy Birthday Kent!!!??

    Dottie Wilkinson Dunlap
    Happy birthday!

    Ken|!to Wills
    ItrCOs not my birthday. ThatrCOs in January.

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw
    Kent Bradley Wills DOB Jan 8, 1969 Felony Garage Burglar used teen as accomplice

    AI guy in suit that Kent/Kenito identifies as: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10231572239674019&set=a.1603583254411

    https://www.facebook.com/kwills3
    Ken|!to Wills (-U-|-+-u-e-+)
    1.4K followers rCo 0 following

    "I am not a "hetero cismale"." - Steve K. Hall in <1r5hu1f.z02fkr1t8gjr5N%snipeco.2@gmail.com>

    "Claiming that I "refuse to respect pronouns" is dead wrong. I respect them with everyone but "Jen" and "their" ilk, because "they" are a phony." - Scott Doty AKA Creon AKA Vallor AKA Doc Hammerhead declares why he ironically reserves the "right" to misgender others just like his MAGA bigot cohorts are wont to in Message-ID: <l54g7pF27huU2@mid.individual.net>

    "You're stupid if you run "make" as root, numbnuts." - Scott Doty in <qgmhQ.8004$v9ff.889@fx42.iad>

    Additionally, one will be disappointed if one doesn't "sudo make install"
    after "sudo make modules_install". - Scott Doty running make as root in <nX7hQ.78395$i168.5679@fx13.iad>

    Message-ID: <nistjjhili8963p9l65oi962r3p4mktej5@4ax.com>
    " And yet, one can still see the headers.
    If you weren't so stupid, you would know how. I will try, and
    likely fail, to dumb it down to your intellectual level.
    To the right of the post there are three dots. Click on them. A
    few options will appear. Click on "Show original message" and follow
    the instructions as best your learning disability will permit.
    If you still can't see the headers, there is nothing more I can
    do. I cannot dumb this down any more than I have." - Kenito Wills, stupider than shit-stupid. (See: https://ibb.co/MVsRGqN)

    "It's just like you to read all that, and come up a sick and clueless response like that one, totally unrelated to the point. It must get confusing to be intelligent enough to "sit at the best reading table in school," and fail to cobble together a basic understanding of what you've just read. The nasty side of you always manages to take control to guard your fragile ego, which explains why you never get along with people, and get visitors like Red Elephant who take the time and trouble to come by and embarrass you..." - <MPG.41696ec8ecc18ea4989796@usnews.blocknews.net> Jimbo responds to a yes/no question exactly as one might expect him to.

    "Bullshit! You salivate over every word I write, then beg for more. Then when you realize that I've put you in another hole you can't worm your way out of... even if you did "sit at the best reading table in elementary school," YOU revert to pedo lames, because that's the best you can do. In fact, no one here has any interest in your obsession with pedo lames but you, because you're intellectually weak. In fact, you seem suspiciously obsessed with that topic. Maybe some day we'll find out why." - <MPG.4169de194a070345989798@usnews.blocknews.net> No Jim, I am not "obsessed" with what you did and concealed and continue to backpedal from.

    https://groups.google.com/g/misc.legal/c/6FaoS9bawDI/m/Wdupq7BHaSkJ
    "I've spoken against CPS many times. That I realize that they were 100% correct in regards to you doesn't mean I'm pro-CPS." - Kent Wills doesn't like Child Protection Services getting in his way of abusing children.

    https://groups.google.com/g/misc.legal/c/AmluvRraNjg/m/gufYNdgK3E8J
    "Greg has made it very clear he likes little girls. And not in a sexually healthy way." - Kent Wills believes that there's a "sexually healthy" way to be a pedophile.

    "I'm actually glad it's out in the open now, it's a lot of weight to bear. Some will graciously accept that, and some probably won't. It makes it real easy to know who's worth regarding as a friend. Those few remaining haters hide behind socks... I wonder why?" - Checkmate AKA Auntie Tranny <youdaman@betamail.corn> AKA "Rick Sabian" AKA "Morphing Fuckwit" AKA "automatic tranny" AKA "jen der queer" AKA "livelong@and.prosper" AKA "FOAD <foad@grnail.corn>" AKA "Destiny <faghaitur@bucket.list>" AKA "DAVID KEETING <Squiggles@ass.worm>" AKA "f4c3411 <f3c4L@f37l5h.corn>" AKA "<"Hunter's Dildo <RumPPumPPa@uPPa.yOOaSS>" >" AKA "Mustafa Sheboygan" AKA "Peter, the Booty Judge" <root@127.0.0.1> AKA "Mund Harmonika <root@127.0.0.1>" AKA "Mundharmonika <root@127.0.0.1>" AKA "% <%@hotmale.com>" AKA "Checkmate <trouble@soon.corn>" AKA "Mundharmonika <R00T@MOUTH.ORGAN>" AKA "Mundharmonika <R00T@127.O.O.1>" AKA "Tard Wrangler <youknowit@alphamale.corn>" hates when people hate pedo rapists. He wants friends who like pedo rapists. Write that down and don't forget it! <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.checkmate/c/2VcCBNwMdeo/m/A0wpvxZRAAAJ>

    "I think we should destroy every last fucking mosque in America." - "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> proves for us that white males are violent in Message-ID: <MPG.32c5bfefd18c9a698f0a8@news.altopia.com>

    "Yeah, but you think everybody's Greg. There are a couple people here who can't resist responding to everything the aSSwurm or the Pussy Willow says. It does me no good to plonk aSSwurm and Pussy Willow if I still have to wade through a hundred inane posts a day involving those two assholes, so now I've plonked the chronic responders as well. They'll figure it out, and then they can make a choice... exchange stupid drivel with those two, or have more intelligent and interesting conversations with me. I know damned well Greg got sick of all that shit, and now I'm sick of it too. Those who choose to get led around by the lowest common denominator are fucking up AC and every other group they play that game in. If that's the kind of Usenet they want, they can wallow in the same slop as the two retards elsewhere, because they're only contributing to fucking this group up too. I can take or leave this shit, because I have plenty to keep me occupied with my room addition project, and it's a hell of a lot more rewarding than exchanging baby talk with the likes of the aSSwurm. May his fucking worthless AIDS-infested carcass drop fucking dead ASAP and quit wasting oxygen. To sum it up, talk to those two idiots elsewhere, or they'll probably be the only people left to talk to here." One can only presume that Jim and Creon/Vallor have solved this problem and are together in a private chat "having more intelligent and interesting conversations" instead of these "Civil" calls for shunning and authoritative control of discussion. As Seen on TV : <MPG.35cd7d50e1b224b1994604@news.altopia.com>

    "I'm pretty sure all gods are fictional, I'm smart enough to not proclaim I know this." - Kwills is only smart enough to doubt himself while arguing that a belief in imaginary made-up gods can't just be ignored as "mental illness" in <mo4q0j9tcqjt68s039loiacrbarihsh9i5@4ax.com>

    "If you worried half as much about your own personal life as you do everyone else's, you might almost be tolerable, obsessed stalker." -James "Checkmate" Gorman, in perhaps the most ironic and mentally-challenged statement ever made on Usenet. <MPG.4001ba2c14cace6c98cb6f@usnews.blocknews.net>

    "Trying to diminish others doesn't make you look any better. In fact, it does quite the opposite. Why are you always so bitter and angry? Do you have AIDS or something like so many other tranny girls do?" -James "Checkmate" Gorman in <MPG.405409befd41f28898969d@test.blocknews.net>

    "You should see my archive on you" -James "Checkmate" Gorman teases us with his "dosser" in <MPG.3eea81b23145043b98c338@usnews.blocknews.net>

    "Sorry, nothing to see here. The joint wasn't as bad as they say, but I'm not looking to go back. I'm a model citizen, clean as a whistle. I've owned my own home for 12 years, owned my own business almost as long, don't bother anyone and they don't bother me. You have nothing in any "police report" pertaining to me. Don't you think they would have "come a-knockin" a long time ago if they had any reason to? You're delusional and paranoid, and I have to wonder why.

    Oh... I should mention that there are a LOT of trannies in prison. I don't know why, but there are. The State even has to give them hormone shots for their tiddies at taxpayer's expense, and they wear bras and panties. I found everything about them revolting. That's why the whole "Bubba" thing is almost completely a myth, except in cell living. That shit wouldn't fly in a 100-man dorm, but trust me, those little trollops find ways to serve the willing when the lights go out. You see something, you keep your mouth shut about it because that way you don't get in a wreck. I never partook in such activities because the whole idea is just repulsive. I think that's a big part of what I don't like about you. I've seen how they act and I've talked to a few... total drama queens in every sense." -James "Checkmate" Gorman reminisces about prison in <MPG.3ceb37c2eddbaff98b07a@usnews.blocknews.net>

    "Not true. I've seen square waves on the oscilloscope from some certain generator. Square waves can be created from other than sine waves. Sine waves aren't everything (or anything you sick pervert %), I think that's the point you are missing. - Mathemagician "Lane Larson" in <939d6741-df96-5f2e-a444-b6dfd77de09e@stoat.inhoin.edu> seems to argue that square wave generators must use Fourier transforms "of course" to generate "almost" square waves... in his feeble attempt to quash my assertion that "square waves do not exist in reality" in post <=3D?U=3D?UTF-8?Q?T?=3DF-8?Q?=3DF0=3D9F=3D8C=3DBA?=3DKWuXdYTXCQ5ApC$@88.203.236.221=3D?U=3D?UTF-8?Q?T?=3DF-8?Q?=3DF0=3D9F=3D8C=3DBA?=3D>.

    "Colour me fanboi, oh yes indeed. I'm a fanboi who is proudly content to be just that." - snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) in <1qx4ikk.c8jzw919si6cmN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>

    Golden Killfile, June 2005
    KOTM, November 2006
    Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, November 2006
    Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, November 2006
    Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, September 2007
    Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006
    Busted Urinal Award, April 2007
    Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007
    Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006
    Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008
    Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007
    AUK Mascot, September 2007
    Putting the Awards Out of Order to Screw With the OCD Fuckheads, March 2016

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