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first of all i am an amateur (that doesn't mean i'm incompetent quiz me if you want), but i feel like security engineering as a field should have a sub-hierarchy

again i have no control group perms, so would be really cool if someone could create this :D
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Keith <user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:

first of all i am an amateur (that doesn't mean i'm incompetent quiz me if you
want), but i feel like security engineering as a field should have a sub-hierarchy

again i have no control group perms, so would be really cool if someone could create this :D

unmoderated btw
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Keith wrote:

first of all i am an amateur (that doesn't mean i'm incompetent quiz me if you
want), but i feel like security engineering as a field should have a sub-hierarchy

again i have no control group perms, so would be really cool if someone could create this :D

<https://www.reddit.com/r/securityengineering/>
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William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> posted:

Keith wrote:

first of all i am an amateur (that doesn't mean i'm incompetent quiz me if you
want), but i feel like security engineering as a field should have a sub-hierarchy

again i have no control group perms, so would be really cool if someone could
create this :D

<https://www.reddit.com/r/securityengineering/>

why can't we have both spaces?
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Keith <user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:

William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> posted:

Keith wrote:

first of all i am an amateur (that doesn't mean i'm incompetent quiz me if you
want), but i feel like security engineering as a field should have a sub-hierarchy

again i have no control group perms, so would be really cool if someone could
create this :D

<https://www.reddit.com/r/securityengineering/>

why can't we have both spaces?

i'm just going to set this shit up myself thats the best thing about this platform
no one can censor you because you can just run everything independently, no wonder
it has been consistently active for like 50+ years
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Keith wrote:

Keith <user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:

William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> posted:

Keith wrote:

first of all i am an amateur (that doesn't mean i'm incompetent quiz me if you
want), but i feel like security engineering as a field should have a sub-hierarchy

again i have no control group perms, so would be really cool if someone could
create this :D

<https://www.reddit.com/r/securityengineering/>

why can't we have both spaces?

i'm just going to set this shit up myself thats the best thing about this platform
no one can censor you because you can just run everything independently, no wonder
it has been consistently active for like 50+ years

I don't think you quite get it. The reason there are not half a dozen usenetters on here explaining the pros and cons of creating this group is because they have moved on. Mostly everyone has, even the spammers have given up. You've missed the party.
Good luck with sending the newgroup cmsg. I don't know of any NSPs that allow them anymore.
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On 2026-01-02, William Stickers wrote:

Keith wrote:

Keith <user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:

William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> posted:

Keith wrote:

first of all i am an amateur (that doesn't mean i'm
incompetent quiz me if you
want), but i feel like security engineering as a field should
have a sub-hierarchy

again i have no control group perms, so would be really cool if someone could
create this :D

<https://www.reddit.com/r/securityengineering/>

why can't we have both spaces?

i'm just going to set this shit up myself thats the best thing about this platform
no one can censor you because you can just run everything independently, no wonder
it has been consistently active for like 50+ years

I don't think you quite get it. The reason there are not half a dozen usenetters on here explaining the pros and cons of creating this group is because they have moved on. Mostly everyone has, even the spammers have given
up. You've missed the party.
Good luck with sending the newgroup cmsg. I don't know of any NSPs that allow
them anymore.

Has this changed significantly in the past couple years or so?

Just a few years ago at least three alt.* groups were created after
Giganews and Mozilla pulled the plug on news.mozilla.org.
--
Nuno Silva
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Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 2026-01-02, William Stickers wrote:

Keith wrote:

Keith <user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:

William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> posted:

Keith wrote:

first of all i am an amateur (that doesn't mean i'm
incompetent quiz me if you
want), but i feel like security engineering as a field should
have a sub-hierarchy

again i have no control group perms, so would be really cool if >someone could
create this :D

<https://www.reddit.com/r/securityengineering/>

why can't we have both spaces?

i'm just going to set this shit up myself thats the best thing about

this platform

no one can censor you because you can just run everything

independently, no wonder

it has been consistently active for like 50+ years

I don't think you quite get it. The reason there are not half a dozen
usenetters on here explaining the pros and cons of creating this group is >> because they have moved on. Mostly everyone has, even the spammers have given
up. You've missed the party.
Good luck with sending the newgroup cmsg. I don't know of any NSPs that allow
them anymore.

Has this changed significantly in the past couple years or so?

Just a few years ago at least three alt.* groups were created after
Giganews and Mozilla pulled the plug on news.mozilla.org.

How is that comparable? A small fraction of the users were highly
motivated to continue communicating, choosing to start three Usenet
groups. The move to these groups did not retain much of the old
audience. Please don't bring up irrelevancies.

Our Dear Proponent, who proposed two newsgroups despite never having
posted to Usenet, effectively wants vanity froups. He has threatened to
set up his own News server if he cannot get what he wants, because he
believes he's being censored. He refuses to understand that if the
Usenet community is ignorant and apathetic about his froups, which are admittedly the greatest thing since sliced bread, that he has been
censored. He's a would-be dictator who thinks he can force others to
talk about his topics despite no one having any idea who he is, nor do
they give a fuck.

Let's say by some miracle he figures out how to properly configure a
News server and it doesn't become a major originating source of spam. He
still won't have an audience for either of the two froups. He'll claim he's been censored and will stalk off.

This is the true nature of Usenet. Audiences must be built. It's real
work. There are no shortcuts. Just because one doesn't care to put in
the work to build an audience doesn't make one the victim of censorship.
It's because one is an uncaring lazy and worthless proponent.
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On Fri, 2 Jan 2026 10:29:01 -0000, William Stickers wrote:

<https://www.reddit.com/r/securityengineering/>

I read somewhere that over 50% of the messages on Reddit come from bots
(Dead Internet is here). I know from experience that it's a toxic
cesspool, similar to Twitter, and the whole system of
upvotes/downvotes/karma is broken and set up to create negative feelings towards each other.
--
s|b
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Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2026-01-02, William Stickers wrote:

Keith wrote:

Keith <user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:

William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> posted:

Keith wrote:

first of all i am an amateur (that doesn't mean i'm
incompetent quiz me if you
want), but i feel like security engineering as a field should
have a sub-hierarchy

again i have no control group perms, so would be really cool if someone could
create this :D

<https://www.reddit.com/r/securityengineering/>

why can't we have both spaces?

i'm just going to set this shit up myself thats the best thing about this platform
no one can censor you because you can just run everything independently, no wonder
it has been consistently active for like 50+ years

I don't think you quite get it. The reason there are not half a dozen usenetters on here explaining the pros and cons of creating this group is because they have moved on. Mostly everyone has, even the spammers have given
up. You've missed the party.
Good luck with sending the newgroup cmsg. I don't know of any NSPs that allow
them anymore.

Has this changed significantly in the past couple years or so?

Just a few years ago at least three alt.* groups were created after
Giganews and Mozilla pulled the plug on news.mozilla.org.

I think those alt* groups were prolly made by NSP admins at the request of users following news.mozilla.org shutting down.
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s|b wrote:

On Fri, 2 Jan 2026 10:29:01 -0000, William Stickers wrote:

<https://www.reddit.com/r/securityengineering/>

I read somewhere that over 50% of the messages on Reddit come from bots
(Dead Internet is here). I know from experience that it's a toxic
cesspool, similar to Twitter, and the whole system of
upvotes/downvotes/karma is broken and set up to create negative feelings towards each other.

I couldn't care less about upvotes or downvotes and I only believe half of what
I read anywhere anyway. The main thing these web forums have that usenet doesn't is traffic. Also they are moderated, so no flame wars and not excessive
off topic posting. I prefer usenet to them, but there is no point flogging a dead horse and sadly usenet is limping towards the knackers yard.
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William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> posted:

Keith wrote:

Keith <user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:

William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> posted:

Keith wrote:

first of all i am an amateur (that doesn't mean i'm incompetent quiz me if you
want), but i feel like security engineering as a field should have a sub-hierarchy

again i have no control group perms, so would be really cool if someone could
create this :D

<https://www.reddit.com/r/securityengineering/>

why can't we have both spaces?

i'm just going to set this shit up myself thats the best thing about this platform
no one can censor you because you can just run everything independently, no wonder
it has been consistently active for like 50+ years

I don't think you quite get it. The reason there are not half a dozen usenetters on here explaining the pros and cons of creating this group is because they have moved on. Mostly everyone has, even the spammers have given
up. You've missed the party.
Good luck with sending the newgroup cmsg. I don't know of any NSPs that allow
them anymore.

there's always a way :D

or if there actually isn't why not just create a separate system that could
be interoperable with usenet.

i just don't understand the negativity here, something being unpopular doesn't mean there isn't inherent value in it, i am a fan of distributed nearly uncensor-
able systems and i know i'm not the only one.

"people have moved on" yet the protocol remains consistently active across a variety of newsgroups.
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"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> posted:

Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 2026-01-02, William Stickers wrote:

Keith wrote:

Keith <user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:

William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> posted:

Keith wrote:

first of all i am an amateur (that doesn't mean i'm
incompetent quiz me if you
want), but i feel like security engineering as a field should
have a sub-hierarchy

again i have no control group perms, so would be really cool if >someone could
create this :D

<https://www.reddit.com/r/securityengineering/>

why can't we have both spaces?

i'm just going to set this shit up myself thats the best thing about >this platform
no one can censor you because you can just run everything

independently, no wonder

it has been consistently active for like 50+ years

I don't think you quite get it. The reason there are not half a dozen
usenetters on here explaining the pros and cons of creating this group is >> because they have moved on. Mostly everyone has, even the spammers have given
up. You've missed the party.
Good luck with sending the newgroup cmsg. I don't know of any NSPs that allow
them anymore.

Has this changed significantly in the past couple years or so?

Just a few years ago at least three alt.* groups were created after >Giganews and Mozilla pulled the plug on news.mozilla.org.

How is that comparable? A small fraction of the users were highly
motivated to continue communicating, choosing to start three Usenet
groups. The move to these groups did not retain much of the old
audience. Please don't bring up irrelevancies.

Our Dear Proponent, who proposed two newsgroups despite never having
posted to Usenet, effectively wants vanity froups. He has threatened to
set up his own News server if he cannot get what he wants, because he believes he's being censored. He refuses to understand that if the
Usenet community is ignorant and apathetic about his froups, which are admittedly the greatest thing since sliced bread, that he has been
censored. He's a would-be dictator who thinks he can force others to
talk about his topics despite no one having any idea who he is, nor do
they give a fuck.

Let's say by some miracle he figures out how to properly configure a
News server and it doesn't become a major originating source of spam. He still won't have an audience for either of the two froups. He'll claim he's been censored and will stalk off.

This is the true nature of Usenet. Audiences must be built. It's real
work. There are no shortcuts. Just because one doesn't care to put in
the work to build an audience doesn't make one the victim of censorship.
It's because one is an uncaring lazy and worthless proponent.

i want to apologize for the threatening language and the personal attacks, you have
much more experience than i do. i just think it's sad that long-term users of this platform don't seem to get why so many people want a return to moderation being the responsibility of users.
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Keith <user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

i want to apologize for the threatening language and the personal attacks, you have
much more experience than i do.

I don't care. I try to tell the proponent what he needs to know. You
aren't the first and won't be the last not to like it.

You can still take this seriously by posting on topic in an existing engineering group, with your own words and not reposted material from
the Web, trying to build an audience. Audience first, then determine if
a group for the narrower topic is needed.

i just think it's sad that long-term users of this platform don't
seem to get why so many people want a return to moderation being the >responsibility of users.

I don't see the relevancy to a configging discussion.
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Keith <user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

or if there actually isn't why not just create a separate system that could >be interoperable with usenet.

There are Web interfaces. I prefer a newsreader and traditional News
server.

i just don't understand the negativity here, something being unpopular doesn't >mean there isn't inherent value in it, i am a fan of distributed nearly uncensor-
able systems and i know i'm not the only one.

No one has judged the inherent value of the topic. The issue is whether
you are motivated to build a Usenet audience. Discussion must come
first. An empty newsgroup doesn't magically start discussion.

"people have moved on" yet the protocol remains consistently active across a >variety of newsgroups.

It's a wonderful but less well known medium of communication.
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"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> posted:

Keith <user13263@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

or if there actually isn't why not just create a separate system that could >be interoperable with usenet.

There are Web interfaces. I prefer a newsreader and traditional News
server.

i just don't understand the negativity here, something being unpopular doesn't
mean there isn't inherent value in it, i am a fan of distributed nearly uncensor-
able systems and i know i'm not the only one.

No one has judged the inherent value of the topic. The issue is whether
you are motivated to build a Usenet audience. Discussion must come
first. An empty newsgroup doesn't magically start discussion.

"people have moved on" yet the protocol remains consistently active across a >variety of newsgroups.

It's a wonderful but less well known medium of communication.

actions speak louder than words and i hope that with time my contributions will prove to be useful
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