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On Sun, 01 Mar 2026 19:09:58 +0100, s|b wrote:

On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 13:16:18 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

When I'm in portrait mode on the tablet, and I "unfurl" the More
and Extensions sections, it does take pretty much the whole screen
(9.1" 1440x2304).

Now imagine this on a smartphone.

Remember that it was the Android ecosystem that created the rCLphabletrCY concept ...
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On Sun, 01 Mar 2026 11:17:51 -0800, Nobody wrote:

The Province of British Columbia has a (supposedly secure) app as a
gateway into government services, including some federal programs;
ditto with a specific app for my major bank.

Thankfully, there doesnrCOt seem to be much of that here in NZ. I can
access my banking, the tax department, and various online shops on the
occasion I need/want to order things online, all through a regular PC
browser like Firefox.

The tax department are a bit odd, though. On the one hand, they donrCOt
like me opening multiple tabs while logged in to their site; on the
other hand, they want me to enable popups (blocked by default in
Firefox) to show me letters, statements etc.
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On 2026-03-03 00:57, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Sun, 01 Mar 2026 11:17:51 -0800, Nobody wrote:

The Province of British Columbia has a (supposedly secure) app as a
gateway into government services, including some federal programs;
ditto with a specific app for my major bank.

Thankfully, there doesnrCOt seem to be much of that here in NZ. I can
access my banking, the tax department, and various online shops on the occasion I need/want to order things online, all through a regular PC
browser like Firefox.

The tax department are a bit odd, though. On the one hand, they donrCOt
like me opening multiple tabs while logged in to their site; on the
other hand, they want me to enable popups (blocked by default in
Firefox) to show me letters, statements etc.

When there is a peculiar site like that, you can create a new profile,
and use it thus (Linux)

firefox -P Taxes &

There you can have different settings, and have only one tab.
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On 26/03/02 06:45 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Thread drift:]

I do know that yesterday or the day before, there was a change on my
Samsung phone that makes it impossible to go back to an earlier version
of an "app". *That* sucks.

It it's an add-on (i.e. not pre-installed) non-paid app, you can
probably 'sideload' an older version from one of the many third-party app-stores. I mainly use(d) apkpure.com.

If this concerns one specific app, then please give the 'id=...'
identifier (or full URL) of the apps entry on the Google Play website.

No, it didn't concern one specific app. The information came from a notification when I updated Android AND Samsung things. AI says:

"Recent Android and Samsung updates (including One UI 6 and later)
strengthen security by preventing downgrades to older app versions,
often resulting in an INSTALL_FAILED_VERSION_DOWNGRADE error. This
restriction is designed to stop security vulnerabilities, potential
privilege escalation, and data exfiltration. While some system apps can
be reverted to factory settings, third-party apps are generally locked
to the updated version."

Also: __________________________________________________________________________________
Key Reasons and Limitations:

Security Restrictions: The update prevents downgrading to prevent, bugs, stability issues, and security vulnerabilities, as noted by users and
experts on Samsung Community (https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/samsung-lounge/can-i-revert-one-ui-6-0-update/td-p/8790916)
and Esper.io (https://www.esper.io/blog/android-system-app-downgrade-vulnerability-fix).

System Apps: You can often only roll back to the "factory version" of a
system app by going to Settings > Apps, selecting the app, and choosing "Uninstall updates" from the three-dot menu, as explained in this
AirDroid article.

Third-Party Apps: Downgrading is generally not supported for
user-installed apps. Attempts to do so often fail.

Alternatives: If you must use an older version, you would have to
uninstall the app, find an older version (APK) on a site like APKMirror,
and install it, though this can cause issues. __________________________________________________________________________________

I hope this answers your question.
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John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 26/03/02 06:45 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Thread drift:]

I do know that yesterday or the day before, there was a change on my
Samsung phone that makes it impossible to go back to an earlier version
of an "app". *That* sucks.

It it's an add-on (i.e. not pre-installed) non-paid app, you can
probably 'sideload' an older version from one of the many third-party app-stores. I mainly use(d) apkpure.com.

If this concerns one specific app, then please give the 'id=...' identifier (or full URL) of the apps entry on the Google Play website.

No, it didn't concern one specific app. The information came from a notification when I updated Android AND Samsung things. AI says:

Thanks. So much for 'AI'.

"Recent Android and Samsung updates (including One UI 6 and later)
strengthen security by preventing downgrades to older app versions,
often resulting in an INSTALL_FAILED_VERSION_DOWNGRADE error. This restriction is designed to stop security vulnerabilities, potential
privilege escalation, and data exfiltration. While some system apps can
be reverted to factory settings, third-party apps are generally locked
to the updated version."

The reference you gave

(https://www.esper.io/blog/android-system-app-downgrade-vulnerability-fix).o

*actually* says:

"Failure [INSTALL_FAILED_VERSION_DOWNGRADE: System app:
com.google.android.apps.wellbeing cannot be downgraded to older than
its preloaded version on the system image. Update version code 439367
is older than 452937"

So a *pre-installed* (factory supplied) app can not be downgraded to
an older version than originally came with the device. Duh!

This has nothing to do with add-on apps, i.e. the apps you installed
later.

Also: __________________________________________________________________________________
Key Reasons and Limitations:

Security Restrictions: The update prevents downgrading to prevent, bugs, stability issues, and security vulnerabilities, as noted by users and
experts on Samsung Community (https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/samsung-lounge/can-i-revert-one-ui-6-0-update/td-p/8790916)

This is about not being able to downgrade Samsung's One UI, which is
indeed true. Just like you can not downgrade Android to an earlier
version.

I have never had a problem with either, but not being able to
downgrade One UI and Android is indeed a fact of life.

It's basically the same for most OSs, including Windows. But with
non-mobile OSs, you can sometimes *re-install* (not downgrade to) an
older version, which is (very) hard to 'impossible' on a monbile-OS.

[...]

I hope this answers your question.

I hope this eases your concerns! :-)
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On 2026-03-02 3:57 p.m., Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Sun, 01 Mar 2026 11:17:51 -0800, Nobody wrote:

The Province of British Columbia has a (supposedly secure) app as a
gateway into government services, including some federal programs;
ditto with a specific app for my major bank.

Thankfully, there doesnrCOt seem to be much of that here in NZ. I can
access my banking, the tax department, and various online shops on the occasion I need/want to order things online, all through a regular PC
browser like Firefox.

The tax department are a bit odd, though. On the one hand, they donrCOt
like me opening multiple tabs while logged in to their site; on the
other hand, they want me to enable popups (blocked by default in
Firefox) to show me letters, statements etc.

Ah, you admit to being Kiwi. Kia ora.

My comments referenced Android as is the discussion here. Anything
'serious' I do involves what you call 'a regular PC browser like Firefox'.

NZ and Aussie are w-a-y ahead of North America in the field of 'open
banking'.

Canaduh, I suspect, is better for trusted access to on-line
federal/provincial inter-action (income tax info, for one), mostly the
result of response to serious hacks a year or three back.

<signed> Rat who fled Aotearoa's sinking ship eons ago.


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On 26/03/03 11:06 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 26/03/02 06:45 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Thread drift:]

I do know that yesterday or the day before, there was a change on my
Samsung phone that makes it impossible to go back to an earlier version >>>> of an "app". *That* sucks.

It it's an add-on (i.e. not pre-installed) non-paid app, you can
probably 'sideload' an older version from one of the many third-party
app-stores. I mainly use(d) apkpure.com.

If this concerns one specific app, then please give the 'id=...'
identifier (or full URL) of the apps entry on the Google Play website.

No, it didn't concern one specific app. The information came from a
notification when I updated Android AND Samsung things. AI says:

Thanks. So much for 'AI'.

"Recent Android and Samsung updates (including One UI 6 and later)
strengthen security by preventing downgrades to older app versions,
often resulting in an INSTALL_FAILED_VERSION_DOWNGRADE error. This
restriction is designed to stop security vulnerabilities, potential
privilege escalation, and data exfiltration. While some system apps can
be reverted to factory settings, third-party apps are generally locked
to the updated version."

The reference you gave

(https://www.esper.io/blog/android-system-app-downgrade-vulnerability-fix).o

*actually* says:

"Failure [INSTALL_FAILED_VERSION_DOWNGRADE: System app:
com.google.android.apps.wellbeing cannot be downgraded to older than
its preloaded version on the system image. Update version code 439367
is older than 452937"

So a *pre-installed* (factory supplied) app can not be downgraded to
an older version than originally came with the device. Duh!

This has nothing to do with add-on apps, i.e. the apps you installed
later.

Also:
__________________________________________________________________________________
Key Reasons and Limitations:

Security Restrictions: The update prevents downgrading to prevent, bugs,
stability issues, and security vulnerabilities, as noted by users and
experts on Samsung Community
(https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/samsung-lounge/can-i-revert-one-ui-6-0-update/td-p/8790916)

This is about not being able to downgrade Samsung's One UI, which is
indeed true. Just like you can not downgrade Android to an earlier
version.

I have never had a problem with either, but not being able to
downgrade One UI and Android is indeed a fact of life.

It's basically the same for most OSs, including Windows. But with non-mobile OSs, you can sometimes *re-install* (not downgrade to) an
older version, which is (very) hard to 'impossible' on a monbile-OS.

[...]

I hope this answers your question.

I hope this eases your concerns! :-)

The problem, Frank, is that the message I saw disappeared when I bought
the bullet and went ahead with the update on my phone. I don't have an
eidetic memory, so I can't tell you verbatim what it said.

Regardless, yes, you've eased my concern. Thanks for that.
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makes this newsgroup easier to read & more on-topic. Take back the tech companies from India & industry from China.

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