• Unwanted update to 150 just happened

    From The Real Bev@bashley101@gmail.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Apr 25 08:45:01 2026
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    In spite of the policies.json file which has worked before. Is there a
    new method to stop updates, or are we just hosed?

    (I just made a similar post, but it doesn't seem to have taken.)
    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death."
    -- Hunter S. Thompson

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  • From Retirednoguilt@HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Apr 25 13:12:43 2026
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    On 4/25/2026 11:45 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
    In spite of the policies.json file which has worked before. Is there a
    new method to stop updates, or are we just hosed?

    (I just made a similar post, but it doesn't seem to have taken.)


    I've never had FF update me autonomously. I like to see when updates
    are available to install and usually wait a few days to see if folks
    report problems. Only then to I click on the small "Update" rectangle
    that appears inside the status popup with the frame title of "About
    Mozilla Firefox" that appears when I click on "Help" -> "About Firefox".

    In the Firefox settings for updates, which is fairly far down on the
    "General" tab, I've always selected, "Check for updates but let you
    choose to install them". Never have I experienced FF over ride that
    selection.
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Apr 25 18:18:07 2026
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    Retirednoguilt wrote:

    I've never had FF update me autonomously.

    I have it set for "Check for updates but let you choose to install them"
    and as best as I can remember, its never disobeyed ...

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  • From Nobody@jock@soccer.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Apr 25 10:26:25 2026
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    On Sat, 25 Apr 2026 18:18:07 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:
    Retirednoguilt wrote:

    I've never had FF update me autonomously.

    I have it set for "Check for updates but let you choose to install them"
    and as best as I can remember, its never disobeyed ...
    Should a user (for whatever reason) 'uninstall/re-install' then that
    radio button changes to 'automatically install/recommended'.
    Semi-OT, Thunderbird conversely holds the 'check for updates but lemme
    do the work' setting.
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  • From The Real Bev@bashley101@gmail.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Apr 25 11:01:36 2026
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    On 4/25/26 10:26, Nobody wrote:
    On Sat, 25 Apr 2026 18:18:07 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Retirednoguilt wrote:

    I've never had FF update me autonomously.

    I have it set for "Check for updates but let you choose to install them" >>and as best as I can remember, its never disobeyed ...

    Should a user (for whatever reason) 'uninstall/re-install' then that
    radio button changes to 'automatically install/recommended'.

    Semi-OT, Thunderbird conversely holds the 'check for updates but lemme
    do the work' setting.

    I have had that setting for decades -- and still do. Some years ago it stopped working and some kind person posted the policies.json fix --
    which worked until today. Posted herewith:

    Make a new firefox/distribution/ subdirectory which will contain the
    file policies.json which contains
    {
    -a "policies": {
    -a -a "DisableAppUpdate": true
    -a }
    }
    --
    Cheers, Bev
    Horn broken. Watch for finger.
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  • From R Daneel Olivaw@Danni@hyperspace.vogon.gov.invalid to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Apr 25 20:13:15 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    The Real Bev wrote:
    In spite of the policies.json file which has worked before. Is there a
    new method to stop updates, or are we just hosed?

    (I just made a similar post, but it doesn't seem to have taken.)


    I'd take a look at about:policies (under 149 or 150) and see what policy
    it suggests. Mozilla have changed this setting's name before and it
    would not be a total shock if they changed it again.
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  • From The Real Bev@bashley101@gmail.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Apr 25 11:25:58 2026
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    On 4/25/26 11:13, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
    The Real Bev wrote:
    In spite of the policies.json file which has worked before. Is there a
    new method to stop updates, or are we just hosed?

    (I just made a similar post, but it doesn't seem to have taken.)


    I'd take a look at about:policies (under 149 or 150) and see what policy
    it suggests. Mozilla have changed this setting's name before and it
    would not be a total shock if they changed it again.

    149 is gone. 150 says "The Enterprise Policies service is inactive."

    policies.json is listed in the Documentation List and is exactly what I
    have.

    ============
    policies.json

    {
    "policies": {
    "DisableAppUpdate": true | false
    }
    }
    =============

    Is there perhaps a different location from firefox/distribution now?
    --
    Cheers, Bev
    Horn broken. Watch for finger.
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  • From The Real Bev@bashley101@gmail.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Apr 25 11:35:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On 4/25/26 11:25, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 4/25/26 11:13, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
    The Real Bev wrote:
    In spite of the policies.json file which has worked before. Is there a
    new method to stop updates, or are we just hosed?

    (I just made a similar post, but it doesn't seem to have taken.)


    I'd take a look at about:policies (under 149 or 150) and see what policy
    it suggests. Mozilla have changed this setting's name before and it
    would not be a total shock if they changed it again.

    149 is gone. 150 says "The Enterprise Policies service is inactive."

    policies.json is listed in the Documentation List and is exactly what I
    have.

    ============
    policies.json

    {
    "policies": {
    "DisableAppUpdate": true | false
    }
    }
    =============

    Is there perhaps a different location from firefox/distribution now?


    Same location/file on FF149 on a backup from March 31 :-(
    --
    Cheers, Bev
    Horn broken. Watch for finger.
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  • From Alan K.@alan@invalid.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Apr 25 14:56:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On 4/25/26 2:35 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 4/25/26 11:25, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 4/25/26 11:13, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
    The Real Bev wrote:
    In spite of the policies.json file which has worked before. Is there a >>>> new method to stop updates, or are we just hosed?

    (I just made a similar post, but it doesn't seem to have taken.)


    I'd take a look at about:policies (under 149 or 150) and see what policy >>> it suggests. Mozilla have changed this setting's name before and it
    would not be a total shock if they changed it again.

    149 is gone. 150 says "The Enterprise Policies service is inactive."

    policies.json is listed in the Documentation List and is exactly what I
    have.

    ============
    policies.json

    {
    "policies": {
    "DisableAppUpdate": true | false
    }
    }
    =============

    Is there perhaps a different location from firefox/distribution now?


    Same location/file on FF149 on a backup from March 31 :-(


    shouldn't that be just true OR false, not both?

    And if you're on Linux, I don't think json works. You do it with update manager there.
    --
    Mint 22.3, Thunderbird 140.10.0esr, Firefox 150.0
    Alan K.
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  • From VanguardLH@V@nguard.LH to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Apr 25 14:21:17 2026
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    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    In spite of the policies.json file which has worked before. Is there a
    new method to stop updates, or are we just hosed?

    Did you go into the Help -> About menu? When you visit there to see
    what version you have, they would start an automated update. Rude! You
    wanted to see the current version, and did NOT click on anything to
    start an update. I got in the habit of visiting the about:support page
    to see the version instead of using Help -> About.
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  • From Frank Miller@miller@posteo.ee to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Apr 25 21:40:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    The Real Bev wrote:
    On 4/25/26 11:13, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
    The Real Bev wrote:
    In spite of the policies.json file which has worked before. Is there a
    new method to stop updates, or are we just hosed?

    I'd take a look at about:policies (under 149 or 150) and see what policy
    it suggests. Mozilla have changed this setting's name before and it
    would not be a total shock if they changed it again.

    149 is gone. 150 says "The Enterprise Policies service is inactive."

    policies.json is listed in the Documentation List and is exactly what I have.

    ============
    policies.json

    {
    "policies": {
    "DisableAppUpdate": true | false
    }
    }
    =============

    If this is literally what you have as "policies.json" there's no wonder
    it doesn't work. You've got to set *either* true *or* false.

    Is there perhaps a different location from firefox/distribution now?

    All that doesn't matter if you installed Firefox as a regular packet in
    a Linux system. In this case updates are managed by the system and not
    by Firefox itself. So a "policies.json" file is obsolete.
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  • From The Real Bev@bashley101@gmail.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Apr 25 12:41:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On 4/25/26 11:56, Alan K. wrote:
    On 4/25/26 2:35 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 4/25/26 11:25, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 4/25/26 11:13, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
    The Real Bev wrote:
    In spite of the policies.json file which has worked before. Is there a >>>>> new method to stop updates, or are we just hosed?

    (I just made a similar post, but it doesn't seem to have taken.)


    I'd take a look at about:policies (under 149 or 150) and see what policy >>>> it suggests. Mozilla have changed this setting's name before and it
    would not be a total shock if they changed it again.

    149 is gone. 150 says "The Enterprise Policies service is inactive."

    policies.json is listed in the Documentation List and is exactly what I
    have.

    ============
    policies.json

    {
    "policies": {
    "DisableAppUpdate": true | false
    }
    }
    =============

    Is there perhaps a different location from firefox/distribution now?


    Same location/file on FF149 on a backup from March 31 :-(


    shouldn't that be just true OR false, not both?

    Yes; That was just the listing in the documents. Why anybody would
    choose false I have no idea.>
    And if you're on Linux, I don't think json works. You do it with update manager there.

    The update manager hasn't worked for many years. Perplexity (my
    favored AI) finally came up with the answer. Basically, the update
    changed the policies.json file to match the windows syntax, which
    invalidated it and allowed the update to proceed. Perplexity's fix:

    cat -A distribution/policies.json ;reveals ^M corruption
    echo '{"policies":{"DisableAppUpdate":true}}' > policies.json ;fixes it about:policies ;confirms "Active"

    I wonder what other as-yet-undiscovered wihshit is lurking in the
    firefox/ directory.
    --
    Cheers, Bev
    All bleeding eventually stops.
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  • From The Real Bev@bashley101@gmail.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Apr 25 12:45:21 2026
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    On 4/25/26 08:45, The Real Bev wrote:
    In spite of the policies.json file which has worked before. Is there a
    new method to stop updates, or are we just hosed?

    Perplexity just solved the problem, also posted further down in the thread.

    Basically, the update changed the policies.json file to match the
    windows syntax, which invalidated it and allowed the update to proceed. Perplexity's fix:

    cat -A distribution/policies.json ;reveals ^M corruption
    echo '{"policies":{"DisableAppUpdate":true}}' > policies.json ;fixes it about:policies ;confirms "Active"
    --
    Cheers, Bev
    All bleeding eventually stops.
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  • From Alan K.@alan@invalid.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Apr 25 15:56:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On 4/25/26 3:41 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 4/25/26 11:56, Alan K. wrote:
    On 4/25/26 2:35 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 4/25/26 11:25, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 4/25/26 11:13, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
    The Real Bev wrote:
    In spite of the policies.json file which has worked before. Is there a >>>>>> new method to stop updates, or are we just hosed?

    (I just made a similar post, but it doesn't seem to have taken.)


    I'd take a look at about:policies (under 149 or 150) and see what policy >>>>> it suggests. Mozilla have changed this setting's name before and it >>>>> would not be a total shock if they changed it again.

    149 is gone. 150 says "The Enterprise Policies service is inactive."

    policies.json is listed in the Documentation List and is exactly what I >>>> have.

    ============
    policies.json

    {
    "policies": {
    "DisableAppUpdate": true | false
    }
    }
    =============

    Is there perhaps a different location from firefox/distribution now?


    Same location/file on FF149 on a backup from March 31 :-(


    shouldn't that be just true OR false, not both?

    Yes; That was just the listing in the documents. Why anybody would
    choose false I have no idea.>
    And if you're on Linux, I don't think json works. You do it with update manager there.

    The update manager hasn't worked for many years. Perplexity (my
    favored AI) finally came up with the answer. Basically, the update
    changed the policies.json file to match the windows syntax, which
    invalidated it and allowed the update to proceed. Perplexity's fix:

    cat -A distribution/policies.json ;reveals ^M corruption
    echo '{"policies":{"DisableAppUpdate":true}}' > policies.json ;fixes it about:policies ;confirms "Active"

    I wonder what other as-yet-undiscovered wihshit is lurking in the
    firefox/ directory.

    Tons of little undocumented things. And as you make this great cheat sheet, they change
    the rules on ya.
    --
    Mint 22.3, Thunderbird 140.10.0esr, Firefox 150.0
    Alan K.
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  • From The Real Bev@bashley101@gmail.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Apr 25 13:01:48 2026
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    On 4/25/26 12:45, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 4/25/26 08:45, The Real Bev wrote:
    In spite of the policies.json file which has worked before. Is there a
    new method to stop updates, or are we just hosed?

    Perplexity just solved the problem, also posted further down in the thread.

    Basically, the update changed the policies.json file to match the
    windows syntax, which invalidated it and allowed the update to proceed. Perplexity's fix:

    cat -A distribution/policies.json ;reveals ^M corruption
    echo '{"policies":{"DisableAppUpdate":true}}' > policies.json ;fixes it about:policies ;confirms "Active"

    Did the same to Thundirbird and made the files read-only. Belt+suspenders.
    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "I read somewhere that 77 per cent of all the mentally ill live in
    poverty. Actually, I'm more intrigued by the 23 per cent who are
    apparently doing quite well for themselves." -- Emo Philips
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  • From Frank Miller@miller@posteo.ee to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Apr 25 23:03:22 2026
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    The Real Bev wrote:
    [..snip..]
    The update manager hasn't worked for many years.

    Which one; and which Linux distribution do you use?

    Perplexity (my
    favored AI) finally came up with the answer. Basically, the update
    changed the policies.json file to match the windows syntax, which invalidated it and allowed the update to proceed. Perplexity's fix:

    cat -A distribution/policies.json ;reveals ^M corruption
    echo '{"policies":{"DisableAppUpdate":true}}' > policies.json ;fixes it about:policies ;confirms "Active"

    So frankly - do you understand this blabber? Do you know what it means?
    Or do you blindly follow the instructions of your "favored AI"?

    I wonder what other as-yet-undiscovered wihshit is lurking in the
    firefox/ directory.

    I wonder if you are willing to understand the functions and the given
    facts of a Linux system. The system that you use.
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  • From The Real Bev@bashley101@gmail.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Apr 25 14:51:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On 4/25/26 14:03, Frank Miller wrote:
    The Real Bev wrote:
    [..snip..]
    The update manager hasn't worked for many years.

    Which one; and which Linux distribution do you use?

    Perplexity (my
    favored AI) finally came up with the answer. Basically, the update
    changed the policies.json file to match the windows syntax, which
    invalidated it and allowed the update to proceed. Perplexity's fix:

    cat -A distribution/policies.json ;reveals ^M corruption
    echo '{"policies":{"DisableAppUpdate":true}}' > policies.json ;fixes it
    about:policies ;confirms "Active"

    So frankly - do you understand this blabber? Do you know what it means?
    Or do you blindly follow the instructions of your "favored AI"?

    I wonder what other as-yet-undiscovered wihshit is lurking in the
    firefox/ directory.

    I wonder if you are willing to understand the functions and the given
    facts of a Linux system. The system that you use.

    Sure, within limits. Yes, I understand that. The problem is when
    third-party entities interact with other third-party entities, doing
    things behind the scenes that are invisible to me. I have other
    problems too, of course, but my mitochondria are of little interest to
    anyone here.

    I know what cat, echo and chmod do. So does everyone reading this
    thread, probably. Why would a linux update apply windows formatting to a
    linux file? No idea, seems either stupid or malevolent. Why would
    anyone suspect such a thing?

    I'm sorry if I upset you by posting something you felt was... uh... inappropriate is always a useful word. I'll try to have a
    less-obvious-to-you problem next time.
    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death."
    -- Hunter S. Thompson
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  • From Alan K.@alan@invalid.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Apr 25 18:12:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On 4/25/26 5:51 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 4/25/26 14:03, Frank Miller wrote:
    The Real Bev wrote:
    [..snip..]
    The update manager hasn't worked for many years.

    Which one; and which Linux distribution do you use?

    Perplexity (my
    favored AI) finally came up with the answer. Basically, the update
    changed the policies.json file to match the windows syntax, which
    invalidated it and allowed the update to proceed. Perplexity's fix:

    cat -A distribution/policies.json ;reveals ^M corruption
    echo '{"policies":{"DisableAppUpdate":true}}' > policies.json ;fixes it
    about:policies ;confirms "Active"

    So frankly - do you understand this blabber? Do you know what it means?
    Or do you blindly follow the instructions of your "favored AI"?

    I wonder what other as-yet-undiscovered wihshit is lurking in the
    firefox/ directory.

    I wonder if you are willing to understand the functions and the given
    facts of a Linux system. The system that you use.

    Sure, within limits. Yes, I understand that. The problem is when third-party entities interact with other third-party entities, doing
    things behind the scenes that are invisible to me. I have other
    problems too, of course, but my mitochondria are of little interest to
    anyone here.

    I know what cat, echo and chmod do. So does everyone reading this
    thread, probably. Why would a linux update apply windows formatting to a linux file? No idea, seems either stupid or malevolent. Why would
    anyone suspect such a thing?

    I'm sorry if I upset you by posting something you felt was... uh... inappropriate is always a useful word. I'll try to have a less-obvious-to-you problem next time.


    The ^M corruption you talk about is not corruption. I'll get this wrong but read between
    the lines here. Window uses carriage-return line-feed (CRLF) in text files. Linux just
    uses carriage-return (CR). So if you grab a policies file from you window HD, and drop it
    into Linux, it's got extra characters. If you had opened it with a proper Linux text
    editor and saved it, you probably would have fixed it, but even that might not do it if
    the editor is not set for force Linux line endings.

    The echo in Linux solves the problem nicely as it writes the file in proper Linux text
    format.

    For larger files you would have to find a dos2unix script, so sed command, etc.

    Xed in Mint doesn't seem to give me any issues with Windows files.
    --
    Mint 22.3, Thunderbird 140.10.0esr, Firefox 150.0
    Alan K.
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  • From micky@NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Apr 25 19:58:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sat, 25 Apr 2026 08:45:01 -0700, The
    Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    In spite of the policies.json file which has worked before. Is there a
    new method to stop updates, or are we just hosed?

    (I just made a similar post, but it doesn't seem to have taken.)

    There is a procedure for reinstalling the previous version but I don't
    know much about it. There is a page with a long list of versions for dlownload

    I see that 150 is lurking in my future too.
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  • From The Real Bev@bashley101@gmail.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sat Apr 25 22:13:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On 4/25/26 15:12, Alan K. wrote:
    On 4/25/26 5:51 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 4/25/26 14:03, Frank Miller wrote:
    The Real Bev wrote:
    [..snip..]
    The update manager hasn't worked for many years.

    Which one; and which Linux distribution do you use?

    Perplexity (my
    favored AI) finally came up with the answer. Basically, the update
    changed the policies.json file to match the windows syntax, which
    invalidated it and allowed the update to proceed. Perplexity's fix:

    cat -A distribution/policies.json ;reveals ^M corruption
    echo '{"policies":{"DisableAppUpdate":true}}' > policies.json ;fixes it >>>> about:policies ;confirms "Active"

    So frankly - do you understand this blabber? Do you know what it means?
    Or do you blindly follow the instructions of your "favored AI"?

    I wonder what other as-yet-undiscovered wihshit is lurking in the
    firefox/ directory.

    I wonder if you are willing to understand the functions and the given
    facts of a Linux system. The system that you use.

    Sure, within limits. Yes, I understand that. The problem is when
    third-party entities interact with other third-party entities, doing
    things behind the scenes that are invisible to me. I have other
    problems too, of course, but my mitochondria are of little interest to
    anyone here.

    I know what cat, echo and chmod do. So does everyone reading this
    thread, probably. Why would a linux update apply windows formatting to a
    linux file? No idea, seems either stupid or malevolent. Why would
    anyone suspect such a thing?

    I'm sorry if I upset you by posting something you felt was... uh...
    inappropriate is always a useful word. I'll try to have a
    less-obvious-to-you problem next time.

    The ^M corruption you talk about is not corruption. I'll get this wrong but read between
    the lines here. Window uses carriage-return line-feed (CRLF) in text files. Linux just
    uses carriage-return (CR). So if you grab a policies file from you window HD, and drop it
    into Linux, it's got extra characters.

    No, I've always used linux tarballs. I created the policies.json file
    with pico, linux' trivial text editor which I just happened to use in
    1995 and never had a reason to stop. When firefox does an update it
    touches every file in the firefox/ subdirectory; at some point firefox
    must have added the LF characters (^M?) which pico can't see. Probably
    when I chose to let it update from 148 to 149; previous version was
    <100. If I had just deleted the damaged file and created a new one and
    then made it read-only it probably would have had the same effect. It
    was just easier to copy+paste the Perplexity output.

    This is the kind of weirdness that nobody would think of and why AI is
    so good. They do hallucinate sometimes, and they're just a bit too obsequeious, but I'm ashamed to say that I'm hooked.

    If you had opened it with a proper Linux text
    editor and saved it, you probably would have fixed it, but even that might not do it if
    the editor is not set for force Linux line endings.

    pico, a resident linux editor, has apparently worked properly for as
    long as I've used it -- 30 years. There are things it doesn't do, but
    I'm pretty sure it didn't do this.
    The echo in Linux solves the problem nicely as it writes the file in proper Linux text
    format.
    > For larger files you would have to find a dos2unix script, so sed
    command, etc.

    pico is fine. Last time I needed something more capable was when I was
    writing dBaseII shit and I can't remember what I used. Maybe WP if it
    had a text mode. Before that it was FORTRAN punch cards. If I need
    pretty stuff I use libreoffice.
    Xed in Mint doesn't seem to give me any issues with Windows files.

    I only use windows (11) on a 5-year-old laptop to do taxes. Maybe zoom
    if I ever needed to use that. Do people still use zoom?
    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "I love to go down to the schoolyard and watch all the
    little children jump up and down and run around yelling and
    screaming...They don't know I'm only using blanks." --Emo

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  • From R Daneel Olivaw@Danni@hyperspace.vogon.gov.invalid to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sun Apr 26 10:12:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    Alan K. wrote:
    On 4/25/26 2:35 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 4/25/26 11:25, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 4/25/26 11:13, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
    The Real Bev wrote:
    In spite of the policies.json file which has worked before. Is there a >>>>> new method to stop updates, or are we just hosed?

    (I just made a similar post, but it doesn't seem to have taken.)


    I'd take a look at about:policies (under 149 or 150) and see what
    policy
    it suggests.-a Mozilla have changed this setting's name before and it
    would not be a total shock if they changed it again.

    149 is gone.-a 150 says "The Enterprise Policies service is inactive."

    policies.json is listed in the Documentation List and is exactly what I
    have.

    ============
    policies.json

    {
    -a-a-a-a "policies": {
    -a-a-a-a-a-a "DisableAppUpdate": true | false
    -a-a-a-a }
    }
    =============

    Is there perhaps a different location from firefox/distribution now?


    Same location/file on FF149 on a backup from March 31 :-(


    shouldn't that be just true OR false, not both?

    He is saying what the Documentation shows.


    And if you're on Linux, I don't think json works.-a-a You do it with
    update manager there.


    Not sure what you mean there, I have /etc/firefox/policies/policies.json
    for my global settings. One of them is DisableAppUpdate but that is
    just as a backstop, I believe it is ignored (possibly that's the way it
    is compiled).
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  • From Retirednoguilt@HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sun Apr 26 07:42:34 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On 4/25/2026 7:58 PM, micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sat, 25 Apr 2026 08:45:01 -0700, The
    Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    In spite of the policies.json file which has worked before. Is there a
    new method to stop updates, or are we just hosed?

    (I just made a similar post, but it doesn't seem to have taken.)

    There is a procedure for reinstalling the previous version but I don't
    know much about it. There is a page with a long list of versions for dlownload

    I see that 150 is lurking in my future too.

    Looking at all the posts in this thread, this is one of the rare times
    that I'm glad that I use windows 11. I'm an end user and both want (and
    need) to do everything via the GUI. When I turn on my appliances, I
    expect them to be user friendly. I shouldn't have to understand what
    goes on "under the hood" to be able to start and drive my car, stop when
    I brake, and steer to the right when I turn the steering wheel
    clockwise. I've driven early model cars (Model A Ford) and had to crank
    the engine and adjust the spark advance control on the steering wheel.
    Been there, done that. Much prefer dealing with my Prius.
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  • From R Daneel Olivaw@Danni@hyperspace.vogon.gov.invalid to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sun Apr 26 18:46:15 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    Retirednoguilt wrote:
    On 4/25/2026 7:58 PM, micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sat, 25 Apr 2026 08:45:01 -0700, The
    Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    In spite of the policies.json file which has worked before. Is there a
    new method to stop updates, or are we just hosed?

    (I just made a similar post, but it doesn't seem to have taken.)

    There is a procedure for reinstalling the previous version but I don't
    know much about it. There is a page with a long list of versions for
    dlownload

    I see that 150 is lurking in my future too.

    Looking at all the posts in this thread, this is one of the rare times
    that I'm glad that I use windows 11. I'm an end user and both want (and need) to do everything via the GUI. When I turn on my appliances, I
    expect them to be user friendly. I shouldn't have to understand what
    goes on "under the hood" to be able to start and drive my car, stop when
    I brake, and steer to the right when I turn the steering wheel
    clockwise. I've driven early model cars (Model A Ford) and had to crank
    the engine and adjust the spark advance control on the steering wheel.
    Been there, done that. Much prefer dealing with my Prius.


    My impression is that Bev *is* using some form of Windows, policies.json
    works for Windows as well as *nix systems but auto-update is something
    which is basically there for Windows.
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  • From The Real Bev@bashley101@gmail.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sun Apr 26 12:11:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On 4/26/26 09:46, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
    Retirednoguilt wrote:
    On 4/25/2026 7:58 PM, micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sat, 25 Apr 2026 08:45:01 -0700, The
    Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    In spite of the policies.json file which has worked before. Is there a >>>> new method to stop updates, or are we just hosed?

    (I just made a similar post, but it doesn't seem to have taken.)

    There is a procedure for reinstalling the previous version but I don't
    know much about it. There is a page with a long list of versions for
    dlownload

    I see that 150 is lurking in my future too.

    Looking at all the posts in this thread, this is one of the rare times
    that I'm glad that I use windows 11. I'm an end user and both want (and
    need) to do everything via the GUI. When I turn on my appliances, I
    expect them to be user friendly. I shouldn't have to understand what
    goes on "under the hood" to be able to start and drive my car, stop when
    I brake, and steer to the right when I turn the steering wheel
    clockwise. I've driven early model cars (Model A Ford) and had to crank
    the engine and adjust the spark advance control on the steering wheel.
    Been there, done that. Much prefer dealing with my Prius.

    But what if you aren't given choices about things that are important to
    you? Like, for instance, typeface, size, weight, color etc. or window
    size or placement. Sorry, Citizen, we know what's good for you... In
    car terms: Sorry, Citizen, you don't need high beams or an adjustable
    driver's seat...

    My impression is that Bev *is* using some form of Windows, policies.json works for Windows as well as *nix systems but auto-update is something
    which is basically there for Windows.

    No. This computer is slackware-only. Perplexity figured that Firefox
    had somehow, in its infinite wisdom, added windows-formatting characters
    (CRLF instead of just CR) to the text file in question. That seemed to
    be the problem, and the solution given was correct.

    You can allow Firefox to auto-update, but apparently choosing to check-but-only-update-if-approved is shown but no longer works -- hence
    the need for the text file.

    I have a Win11 (sorry I upgraded to 11, 10 was better) laptop that I use
    only for taxes -- because I have to. Win3.1 was OK, as was Win95, but
    it went downhill from there.
    --
    Cheers, Bev
    Warning: Objects in mirror appear smarter than they are.

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  • From Nobody@jock@soccer.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sun Apr 26 15:47:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On Sun, 26 Apr 2026 12:11:28 -0700, The Real Bev
    <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
    I have a Win11 (sorry I upgraded to 11, 10 was better) laptop that I use >only for taxes -- because I have to.
    Aw... life's so hard, and then the door to the crematorium beckons.
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  • From The Real Bev@bashley101@gmail.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sun Apr 26 17:05:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On 4/26/26 15:47, Nobody wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Apr 2026 12:11:28 -0700, The Real Bev
    <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:


    I have a Win11 (sorry I upgraded to 11, 10 was better) laptop that I use >>only for taxes -- because I have to.

    Aw... life's so hard, and then the door to the crematorium beckons.

    If noboby every complained we'd still be living in caves and eating raw
    meat.
    --
    Cheers, Bev
    If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting
    them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for
    no good reason. - Jack Handy
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  • From Nobody@jock@soccer.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sun Apr 26 18:49:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On Sun, 26 Apr 2026 17:05:23 -0700, The Real Bev
    <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/26/26 15:47, Nobody wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Apr 2026 12:11:28 -0700, The Real Bev
    <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:


    I have a Win11 (sorry I upgraded to 11, 10 was better) laptop that I use >>>only for taxes -- because I have to.

    Aw... life's so hard, and then the door to the crematorium beckons.

    If noboby every complained we'd still be living in caves and eating raw >meat.
    But... Win 11 works correctly... Ffox 150.0 works correctly... for
    whomever.
    Win 11 is essentially souped-up Win 10 which ticked over flawlessly
    for how many? Or Ffox 150.0 for how many without
    grizzling/grumbling/bitching?
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  • From micky@NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sun Apr 26 22:27:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sun, 26 Apr 2026 17:05:23 -0700, The
    Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 4/26/26 15:47, Nobody wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Apr 2026 12:11:28 -0700, The Real Bev
    <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:


    I have a Win11 (sorry I upgraded to 11, 10 was better) laptop that I use >>>only for taxes -- because I have to.

    Aw... life's so hard, and then the door to the crematorium beckons.

    If noboby every complained we'd still be living in caves and eating raw >meat.

    Even though I have top burners, an oven, a microwave, a charcoal grill,
    and a propane grill, I still eat raw meat, but I do have a house made
    out of wood and brick.
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.comp.software.firefox on Mon Apr 27 04:07:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On Sun, 26 Apr 2026 07:42:34 -0400, Retirednoguilt wrote:

    Looking at all the posts in this thread, this is one of the rare
    times that I'm glad that I use windows 11. I'm an end user and both
    want (and need) to do everything via the GUI. When I turn on my
    appliances, I expect them to be user friendly.

    Unfortunately, Microsoft is busy eroding that rCLuser friendlyrCY aspect
    ...
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  • From The Real Bev@bashley101@gmail.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Sun Apr 26 21:48:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On 4/26/26 18:49, Nobody wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Apr 2026 17:05:23 -0700, The Real Bev
    <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 4/26/26 15:47, Nobody wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Apr 2026 12:11:28 -0700, The Real Bev
    <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:


    I have a Win11 (sorry I upgraded to 11, 10 was better) laptop that I use >>>>only for taxes -- because I have to.

    Aw... life's so hard, and then the door to the crematorium beckons.

    If noboby every complained we'd still be living in caves and eating raw >>meat.

    But... Win 11 works correctly... Ffox 150.0 works correctly... for
    whomever.

    Win 11 is essentially souped-up Win 10 which ticked over flawlessly
    for how many?

    It works well enough, but there are things that I don't know how to make
    it do -- like show subdirectories with ALL the file info for as many
    files as I can fit on the screen. 10 did it, but 11 shows me only SOME
    stuff. Visual personalization is really important to me. I like to be
    able to move and resize windows easily. I spent a lot of time fixing
    win7 the way I wanted it, but had to stop using it this year. My heart
    just isn't up to climbing the win11 learning curve just to make my
    once-a-year tax stuff a little easier.

    < Or Ffox 150.0 for how many without grizzling/grumbling/bitching?
    Grizzling?
    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "When I was a kid my dad once joked that the best way to
    prevent being on a plane with someone carrying a bomb
    would be to bring your own bomb and not detonate it.
    Sounded convincing. What are the odds that two people
    board, each with a bomb?" -- Rowdy

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  • From Retirednoguilt@HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid to alt.comp.software.firefox on Mon Apr 27 13:24:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On 4/26/2026 3:11 PM, The Real Bev wrote:


    I have a Win11 (sorry I upgraded to 11, 10 was better) laptop that I use only for taxes -- because I have to. Win3.1 was OK, as was Win95, but
    it went downhill from there.

    Once I got used to the new GUI, and for what I use my PC for (mostly
    e-mail, USENET, web browser access and reading publications using
    Pressreader), I really don't see much difference. However, the alleged improved security and OS program size really cuts into my 8 Gb of
    physical RAM. Although I haven't noticed any slowdowns, the thing does
    crash and/or freeze up when I do something that pushes memory in use
    above about 90%. Thinking of adding another 8 Gb but the PC is already
    5 yrs old and has been updated from Win 7 - Win 10 and now Win 11.
    Probably should consider a new PC but given the huge price increases
    recently, my enthusiasm is more restrained.
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  • From Retirednoguilt@HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid to alt.comp.software.firefox on Mon Apr 27 13:42:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On 4/27/2026 12:48 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 4/26/26 18:49, Nobody wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Apr 2026 17:05:23 -0700, The Real Bev
    <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 4/26/26 15:47, Nobody wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Apr 2026 12:11:28 -0700, The Real Bev
    <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:


    I have a Win11 (sorry I upgraded to 11, 10 was better) laptop that I use >>>>> only for taxes -- because I have to.

    Aw... life's so hard, and then the door to the crematorium beckons.

    If noboby every complained we'd still be living in caves and eating raw >>> meat.

    But... Win 11 works correctly... Ffox 150.0 works correctly... for
    whomever.

    Win 11 is essentially souped-up Win 10 which ticked over flawlessly
    for how many?

    It works well enough, but there are things that I don't know how to make
    it do -- like show subdirectories with ALL the file info for as many
    files as I can fit on the screen. 10 did it, but 11 shows me only SOME stuff. Visual personalization is really important to me. I like to be
    able to move and resize windows easily. I spent a lot of time fixing
    win7 the way I wanted it, but had to stop using it this year. My heart
    just isn't up to climbing the win11 learning curve just to make my once-a-year tax stuff a little easier.

    < Or Ffox 150.0 for how many without grizzling/grumbling/bitching?
    Grizzling?

    Perhaps you should explore programs that provide more features than File Explorer. I've never done so because I still can see what I need to do
    using File Explorer.
    I did my own taxes for more than 65 years until Congress finally made
    the tax code so complicated that I could no longer answer all the
    questions that Turbo Tax now requires to deal with what my return
    requires. So I blame Congress for me finally having to spend much more
    than the price of TurboTax and use a professional tax preparer.
    Thinking back, I didn't even need Turbo Tax until about 30 years ago. I
    just used the IRS instructions, pen and paper with an occasional assist
    from a pocket calculator or desktop adding machine. I guess I'm finally
    having to pay back all the $$ I saved over all the years I was able to
    prepare my own returns.
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  • From The Real Bev@bashley101@gmail.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Mon Apr 27 11:28:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On 4/27/26 10:42, Retirednoguilt wrote:
    On 4/27/2026 12:48 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
    My heart
    just isn't up to climbing the win11 learning curve just to make my
    once-a-year tax stuff a little easier.

    < Or Ffox 150.0 for how many without grizzling/grumbling/bitching?
    Grizzling?

    Perhaps you should explore programs that provide more features than File Explorer. I've never done so because I still can see what I need to do
    using File Explorer.
    I did my own taxes for more than 65 years until Congress finally made
    the tax code so complicated that I could no longer answer all the
    questions that Turbo Tax now requires to deal with what my return
    requires. So I blame Congress for me finally having to spend much more
    than the price of TurboTax and use a professional tax preparer.
    Thinking back, I didn't even need Turbo Tax until about 30 years ago. I
    just used the IRS instructions, pen and paper with an occasional assist
    from a pocket calculator or desktop adding machine. I guess I'm finally having to pay back all the $$ I saved over all the years I was able to prepare my own returns.

    I did my own taxes with a calculator and pen and paper for a long time,
    but a friend gave me a copy of Howardsoft (text-only, better than HRB or
    TT) and I never looked back. I tried to e-file with TT, which lied to me
    about success; I sent in paper anyway, which is fortunate because TT
    did NOT submit it and I would have been late. I switched to HRBlock
    then. Clunkier and sometimes it neads to be beaten into submission, but
    it works. I get the 'Deluxe' version and have done some complicated self-employment stuff with it. The question+answer format is annoying,
    but sometimes it requires you to do that so I just gave up and use it.
    Some things would have been better done by filling in a form directly
    (do you REALLY need a whole sheet of paper for a $12.00 dividend that
    some damn company insists on sending me quarterly checks for?), but I
    didn't.

    I don't want to think about this; I just want to feed in numbers, write checks and forget about it for another year.

    Perhaps the top-level TT software would do what you need. It's gotta be cheaper than an accountant. Maybe HRBlock will work better. It will
    suck in last year's TT return, as TT will suck in last year's HRB return.
    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "To turn is to admit defeat." -- Hugh Grierson
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  • From Retirednoguilt@HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid to alt.comp.software.firefox on Mon Apr 27 16:01:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On 4/27/2026 2:28 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 4/27/26 10:42, Retirednoguilt wrote:

    I did my own taxes with a calculator and pen and paper for a long time,
    but a friend gave me a copy of Howardsoft (text-only, better than HRB or
    TT) and I never looked back. I tried to e-file with TT, which lied to me
    about success; I sent in paper anyway, which is fortunate because TT
    did NOT submit it and I would have been late. I switched to HRBlock
    then. Clunkier and sometimes it neads to be beaten into submission, but
    it works. I get the 'Deluxe' version and have done some complicated
    self-employment stuff with it. The question+answer format is annoying,
    but sometimes it requires you to do that so I just gave up and use it.
    Some things would have been better done by filling in a form directly
    (do you REALLY need a whole sheet of paper for a $12.00 dividend that
    some damn company insists on sending me quarterly checks for?), but I
    didn't.

    I don't want to think about this; I just want to feed in numbers, write checks and forget about it for another year.

    Perhaps the top-level TT software would do what you need. It's gotta be cheaper than an accountant. Maybe HRBlock will work better. It will
    suck in last year's TT return, as TT will suck in last year's HRB return.

    I can't see how the top level TT software wouldn't be asking the same
    questions (and possibly even more arcane ones) that I already found
    beyond my ability to answer. Apparently the new tax laws require those questions to be answered to properly compute taxes due. I was using the
    Deluxe version of TT, which has always required a good amount of
    calculator fingering but at least I knew what I needed to do and was
    confident I was doing it properly (never had a return questioned by the
    IRS in my entire life). But this year, TT asked new questions that I researched on the web but what I found was just as complicated if not
    more so. If it were simply interest, dividends, short and long term
    capital gains, withholding, etc. I wouldn't even bother with TT. I
    won't and can't get into details, but several years ago I ended up involuntarily owning a type of security that is totally unknown to
    probably over 95% of all taxpayers and Congress decided this past year
    to complicate taxes related to that ownership even more than it did in
    the past. Four different tax preparers I went to refused to deal with
    it. I finally had to find a CPA who specialized in tax preparation to
    do my return. As you can imagine, it wasn't cheap. In fact, it cost
    more than the profit I earned from the investment last year. I think
    I'll sell it. It will probably save me money and I can go back to using
    TT -I hope.
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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Tue Apr 28 00:23:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

    I did my own taxes with a calculator and pen and paper for a long time,
    but a friend gave me a copy of Howardsoft (text-only, better than HRB or
    TT) and I never looked back.

    I wrote a spreadsheet for the calculations then round to whole dollars
    for amounts that are entered into fields on a line of a tax return. I
    use Free Fillable Forms, which does rudimentary calculations. If a
    calculatioh doesn't match a spreadsheet calculation, I check for a data
    entry error. I then print it out and mail it.

    Mailing on time with a certified mail receipt, the post office amazingly
    took till Sunday, nearly two weeks after mailing, to place it in IRS's
    post office box.

    Is Howardsoft still a thing updated to Trump's new-style tax returns,
    which I really hate?

    . . .
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.comp.software.firefox on Tue Apr 28 01:12:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On Sun, 26 Apr 2026 17:05:23 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

    If noboby every complained we'd still be living in caves and eating
    raw meat.

    Actually, homo sapiens is quite unsuited to eating raw meat, or indeed
    a lot of other raw foods. We are born users of fire and tools.

    Or, to put it another way, it was an ancestor species that developed
    these initial skills, which in turn applied their selection pressure
    on these ancestors to turn them into us.
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.comp.software.firefox on Tue Apr 28 01:14:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On Sun, 26 Apr 2026 21:48:53 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

    My heart just isn't up to climbing the win11 learning curve just to
    make my once-a-year tax stuff a little easier.

    Here in NZ we get to do our taxes online. Nobody forces us to use
    proprietary software.
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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Tue Apr 28 02:51:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    Lawrence DOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Apr 2026 21:48:53 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

    My heart just isn't up to climbing the win11 learning curve just to
    make my once-a-year tax stuff a little easier.

    Here in NZ we get to do our taxes online. Nobody forces us to use
    proprietary software.

    How the hell did you ever get the idea that Americans are forced to use proprietary software?

    Taxes can be quite complicated and it may be worth paying to use
    software. I like Lacerte quite a lot. It's aimed at accounting firms.
    It's owned by the same company as Turbo Tax but the interface is so much
    easier to use. Data is entered into a series of schedules that sometimes
    have the same number as a schedule's form number when attached to a 1040
    or business tax return. Unlike IRS forms, Lacerte's schedules are
    organized logically. All information about automobile usage or
    depreciation are entered on one schedule but outout to appropriate
    schedules on the tax return, as an example.

    If you aren't preparing a lot of returns of a given type, the per return
    fee can be quite reasonable, often as low as $25.

    I think Turbo Tax is overpriced.

    There are competing software packages out there. This is a good thing,

    For 1040s, as I commented in the other followup, I maintain my own
    spreadsheet.
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  • From R Daneel Olivaw@Danni@hyperspace.vogon.gov.invalid to alt.comp.software.firefox on Tue Apr 28 09:15:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    The Real Bev wrote:
    On 4/26/26 09:46, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:

    No.-a This computer is slackware-only.-a Perplexity figured that Firefox
    had somehow, in its infinite wisdom, added windows-formatting characters (CRLF instead of just CR) to the text file in question.-a That seemed to
    be the problem, and the solution given was correct.


    vi policies.json
    :set ff=unix
    :wq!

    ( file policies.json . will tell you if your document is crlf )



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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.comp.software.firefox on Tue Apr 28 08:36:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:42:52 -0400, Retirednoguilt wrote:

    I did my own taxes for more than 65 years until Congress finally
    made the tax code so complicated that I could no longer answer all
    the questions that Turbo Tax now requires to deal with what my
    return requires.

    Do you get a guide booklet? We do <https://www.ird.govt.nz/en/income-tax/income-tax-for-individuals/what-happens-at-the-end-of-the-tax-year/individual-income-tax-return---ir3/complete-my-individual-income-tax-return---ir3>.
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  • From Dave Royal@dave@dave123royal.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Tue Apr 28 10:14:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

    On 4/25/26 10:26, Nobody wrote:
    On Sat, 25 Apr 2026 18:18:07 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Retirednoguilt wrote:

    I've never had FF update me autonomously.

    I have it set for "Check for updates but let you choose to install them" >>>and as best as I can remember, its never disobeyed ...

    Should a user (for whatever reason) 'uninstall/re-install' then that
    radio button changes to 'automatically install/recommended'.

    Semi-OT, Thunderbird conversely holds the 'check for updates but lemme
    do the work' setting.

    I have had that setting for decades -- and still do. Some years ago it stopped working and some kind person posted the policies.json fix --
    which worked until today. Posted herewith:

    Make a new firefox/distribution/ subdirectory which will contain the
    file policies.json which contains
    {
    "policies": {
    "DisableAppUpdate": true
    }
    }

    Did that 'kind person' provide a policies.json file for you to
    download, or did you create one - on Linux?

    Just wondering how these Windows line endings - if that was the
    problem - got there.
    --
    Remove numerics from my email address.
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  • From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Tue Apr 28 12:35:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    Lawrence DOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:42:52 -0400, Retirednoguilt wrote:

    I did my own taxes for more than 65 years until Congress finally
    made the tax code so complicated that I could no longer answer all
    the questions that Turbo Tax now requires to deal with what my
    return requires.

    Do you get a guide booklet? We do ><https://www.ird.govt.nz/en/income-tax/income-tax-for-individuals/what-happens-at-the-end-of-the-tax-year/individual-income-tax-return---ir3/complete-my-individual-income-tax-return---ir3>.

    It's novel length.

    https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf https://www.irs.gov/instructions/i1040gi

    Plus, nearly all schedules to be attached have their own instructions.

    Nevertheless, I am still filling out the form manually with the help of
    my spreadsheet to perform all calculations.
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  • From The Real Bev@bashley101@gmail.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Tue Apr 28 12:40:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On 4/28/26 02:14, Dave Royal wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

    On 4/25/26 10:26, Nobody wrote:
    On Sat, 25 Apr 2026 18:18:07 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Retirednoguilt wrote:

    I've never had FF update me autonomously.

    I have it set for "Check for updates but let you choose to install them" >>>>and as best as I can remember, its never disobeyed ...

    Should a user (for whatever reason) 'uninstall/re-install' then that
    radio button changes to 'automatically install/recommended'.

    Semi-OT, Thunderbird conversely holds the 'check for updates but lemme
    do the work' setting.

    I have had that setting for decades -- and still do. Some years ago it
    stopped working and some kind person posted the policies.json fix --
    which worked until today. Posted herewith:

    Make a new firefox/distribution/ subdirectory which will contain the
    file policies.json which contains
    {
    "policies": {
    "DisableAppUpdate": true
    }
    }

    Did that 'kind person' provide a policies.json file for you to
    download, or did you create one - on Linux?

    Someone posted about that file long ago, and the one I created with pico worked for years.
    Just wondering how these Windows line endings - if that was the
    problem - got there.
    They appeared when Firefox chose to update itself against my express
    wishes. I suspect that Firefox did it of its own volition -- or simple clumsiness. Core dump complete.
    --
    Cheers, Bev
    When you wish upon a falling star your dreams can come true. Unless
    it's really a meteorite hurtling to the earth which will destroy all
    life. Then you're pretty much hosed no matter what you wish for.
    Unless it's death by meteor. --Demotivators
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  • From Retirednoguilt@HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.invalid to alt.comp.software.firefox on Tue Apr 28 15:42:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On 4/28/2026 4:36 AM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:42:52 -0400, Retirednoguilt wrote:

    I did my own taxes for more than 65 years until Congress finally
    made the tax code so complicated that I could no longer answer all
    the questions that Turbo Tax now requires to deal with what my
    return requires.

    Do you get a guide booklet? We do <https://www.ird.govt.nz/en/income-tax/income-tax-for-individuals/what-happens-at-the-end-of-the-tax-year/individual-income-tax-return---ir3/complete-my-individual-income-tax-return---ir3>.

    Of course!
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  • From The Real Bev@bashley101@gmail.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Tue Apr 28 12:45:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On 4/27/26 13:01, Retirednoguilt wrote:
    On 4/27/2026 2:28 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

    Perhaps the top-level TT software would do what you need. It's gotta be
    cheaper than an accountant. Maybe HRBlock will work better. It will
    suck in last year's TT return, as TT will suck in last year's HRB return.

    ... I
    won't and can't get into details, but several years ago I ended up involuntarily owning a type of security that is totally unknown to
    probably over 95% of all taxpayers and Congress decided this past year
    to complicate taxes related to that ownership even more than it did in
    the past. Four different tax preparers I went to refused to deal with
    it. I finally had to find a CPA who specialized in tax preparation to
    do my return. As you can imagine, it wasn't cheap. In fact, it cost
    more than the profit I earned from the investment last year. I think
    I'll sell it. It will probably save me money and I can go back to using
    TT -I hope.

    That makes sense. Way too many exotic investment possibilities. Dump it!

    OTOH -- I wonder if you can just ignore it completely and let the IRS
    tell you how it should be handled. Some audits are simple and some
    never happen.
    --
    Cheers, Bev
    There is no such thing as a foolproof device
    because fools are so ingenious.

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  • From The Real Bev@bashley101@gmail.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Tue Apr 28 12:51:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On 4/27/26 19:51, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    I think Turbo Tax is overpriced.

    When I was using it I was always angered by their special rate for loyal customers which was higher than the price at Costco or other office-type stores. Do they think we're idiots? Do they KNOW it?
    There are competing software packages out there. This is a good thing,

    For 1040s, as I commented in the other followup, I maintain my own spreadsheet.

    I know people who do that. I'm unwilling to go to that much trouble.
    Even at minimum wage (and as a retired person my time is worthless) I'm
    ahead of the game buying HRB.

    Last time I looked through Pub17 it HURT!
    --
    Cheers, Bev
    Guns kill people like spoons make Rosie O'Donnell fat.
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  • From Dave Royal@dave@dave123royal.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Tue Apr 28 22:21:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

    On 4/28/26 02:14, Dave Royal wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

    On 4/25/26 10:26, Nobody wrote:
    On Sat, 25 Apr 2026 18:18:07 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Retirednoguilt wrote:

    I've never had FF update me autonomously.

    I have it set for "Check for updates but let you choose to install them" >>>>>and as best as I can remember, its never disobeyed ...

    Should a user (for whatever reason) 'uninstall/re-install' then that
    radio button changes to 'automatically install/recommended'.

    Semi-OT, Thunderbird conversely holds the 'check for updates but lemme >>>> do the work' setting.

    I have had that setting for decades -- and still do. Some years ago it >>> stopped working and some kind person posted the policies.json fix --
    which worked until today. Posted herewith:

    Make a new firefox/distribution/ subdirectory which will contain the
    file policies.json which contains
    {
    "policies": {
    "DisableAppUpdate": true
    }
    }

    Did that 'kind person' provide a policies.json file for you to
    download, or did you create one - on Linux?

    Someone posted about that file long ago, and the one I created with pico worked for years.
    Just wondering how these Windows line endings - if that was the
    problem - got there.
    They appeared when Firefox chose to update itself against my express
    wishes. I suspect that Firefox did it of its own volition -- or simple clumsiness. Core dump complete.

    You /found/ them after the unwanted update. Were they responsible
    for it? I doubt it: line endings - of either type - are ignored
    in a json file.
    --
    Remove numerics from my email address.
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  • From The Real Bev@bashley101@gmail.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Tue Apr 28 19:36:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On 4/28/26 14:21, Dave Royal wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

    On 4/28/26 02:14, Dave Royal wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

    On 4/25/26 10:26, Nobody wrote:
    On Sat, 25 Apr 2026 18:18:07 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> >>>>> wrote:

    Retirednoguilt wrote:

    I've never had FF update me autonomously.

    I have it set for "Check for updates but let you choose to install them" >>>>>>and as best as I can remember, its never disobeyed ...

    Should a user (for whatever reason) 'uninstall/re-install' then that >>>>> radio button changes to 'automatically install/recommended'.

    Semi-OT, Thunderbird conversely holds the 'check for updates but lemme >>>>> do the work' setting.

    I have had that setting for decades -- and still do. Some years ago it >>>> stopped working and some kind person posted the policies.json fix --
    which worked until today. Posted herewith:

    Make a new firefox/distribution/ subdirectory which will contain the
    file policies.json which contains
    {
    "policies": {
    "DisableAppUpdate": true
    }
    }

    Did that 'kind person' provide a policies.json file for you to
    download, or did you create one - on Linux?

    Someone posted about that file long ago, and the one I created with pico
    worked for years.
    Just wondering how these Windows line endings - if that was the
    problem - got there.
    They appeared when Firefox chose to update itself against my express
    wishes. I suspect that Firefox did it of its own volition -- or simple
    clumsiness. Core dump complete.

    You /found/ them after the unwanted update. Were they responsible
    for it? I doubt it: line endings - of either type - are ignored
    in a json file.

    The windows endings damaged the file such that it no longer served the purpose. Fixing it worked.
    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "The last thing you want is for somebody to commit suicide
    before executing them."
    -Gary Deland, former Utah director for corrections
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  • From dillinger@dillinger@invalid.not to alt.comp.software.firefox on Wed Apr 29 15:45:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    Op 29-04-2026 om 04:36 schreef The Real Bev:
    On 4/28/26 14:21, Dave Royal wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

    On 4/28/26 02:14, Dave Royal wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

    On 4/25/26 10:26, Nobody wrote:
    On Sat, 25 Apr 2026 18:18:07 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> >>>>>> wrote:

    Retirednoguilt wrote:

    I've never had FF update me autonomously.

    I have it set for "Check for updates but let you choose to
    install them"
    and as best as I can remember, its never disobeyed ...

    Should a user (for whatever reason) 'uninstall/re-install' then that >>>>>> radio button changes to 'automatically install/recommended'.

    Semi-OT, Thunderbird conversely holds the 'check for updates but
    lemme
    do the work' setting.

    I have had that setting for decades -- and still do.-a Some years
    ago it stopped working and some kind person posted the
    policies.json fix -- which worked until today.-a Posted herewith:

    Make a new firefox/distribution/ subdirectory which will contain
    the file policies.json which contains
    {
    -a-a "policies": {
    -a-a-a-a "DisableAppUpdate": true
    -a-a }
    }

    Did that 'kind person' provide a policies.json file for you to
    -a download, or did you create one - on Linux?

    Someone posted about that file long ago, and the one I created with
    pico worked for years.
    Just wondering how these Windows line endings - if that was the
    -a problem - got there.
    They appeared when Firefox chose to update itself against my express
    wishes.-a I suspect that Firefox did it of its own volition -- or>>> simple clumsiness.-a Core dump complete.

    You /found/ them after the unwanted update. Were they responsible
    -a for it? I doubt it: line endings - of either type - are ignored>> -a in a json file.

    The windows endings damaged the file such that it no longer served the purpose.-a Fixing it worked.

    Firefox doesn't care about line endings.
    Just for the sake of it I tested it for you, I created a policies.json
    which blocks about:config and tested it with both CRLF (windows) and LF
    (unix) line endings.
    The result are the same for both, it works:
    Blocked Page, Firefox canrCOt connect to the server at about:config^M is not a corruption, this is how cat -A shows CR, your AI needs an
    update.
    CRLF (windows):
    cat -A policies.json
    {^M$
    "policies": {^M$
    "BlockAboutConfig": true^M$
    }^M$
    }^M$
    LF (unix):
    cat -A policies.json
    {$
    "policies": {$
    "BlockAboutConfig": true$
    }$
    }$
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  • From Richmond@dnomhcir@gmx.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Wed Apr 29 15:04:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> writes:

    Op 29-04-2026 om 04:36 schreef The Real Bev:
    On 4/28/26 14:21, Dave Royal wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

    On 4/28/26 02:14, Dave Royal wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

    On 4/25/26 10:26, Nobody wrote:
    On Sat, 25 Apr 2026 18:18:07 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> >>>>>>> wrote:

    Retirednoguilt wrote:

    I've never had FF update me autonomously.

    I have it set for "Check for updates but let you choose to
    install them"
    and as best as I can remember, its never disobeyed ...

    Should a user (for whatever reason) 'uninstall/re-install' then that >>>>>>> radio button changes to 'automatically install/recommended'.

    Semi-OT, Thunderbird conversely holds the 'check for updates but >>>>>>> lemme
    do the work' setting.

    I have had that setting for decades -- and still do.-a Some years
    ago it stopped working and some kind person posted the
    policies.json fix -- which worked until today.-a Posted herewith:

    Make a new firefox/distribution/ subdirectory which will contain
    the file policies.json which contains
    {
    -a-a "policies": {
    -a-a-a-a "DisableAppUpdate": true
    -a-a }
    }

    Did that 'kind person' provide a policies.json file for you to
    -a download, or did you create one - on Linux?

    Someone posted about that file long ago, and the one I created with
    pico worked for years.
    Just wondering how these Windows line endings - if that was the
    -a problem - got there.
    They appeared when Firefox chose to update itself against my express
    wishes.-a I suspect that Firefox did it of its own volition -- or
    simple clumsiness.-a Core dump complete.

    You /found/ them after the unwanted update. Were they responsible
    -a for it? I doubt it: line endings - of either type - are ignored
    -a in a json file.

    The windows endings damaged the file such that it no longer served the
    purpose.-a Fixing it worked.


    Firefox doesn't care about line endings.

    Just for the sake of it I tested it for you, I created a policies.json
    which blocks about:config and tested it with both CRLF (windows) and LF (unix) line endings.

    The result are the same for both, it works:
    Blocked Page, Firefox canrCOt connect to the server at about:config

    ^M is not a corruption, this is how cat -A shows CR, your AI needs an
    update.

    Surely that was the point, there isn't supposed to be a CR in the linux
    file.
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to alt.comp.software.firefox on Wed Apr 29 15:10:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    Richmond wrote:

    dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> writes:

    ^M is not a corruption, this is how cat -A shows CR, your AI needs an
    update.

    Surely that was the point, there isn't supposed to be a CR in the linux
    file.

    There could be zero CRs, or there could be a million of them, provided
    they're not within quoted strings e.g. "not^Mhere" which would break stuff.
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  • From Richmond@dnomhcir@gmx.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Wed Apr 29 15:21:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:

    Richmond wrote:

    dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> writes:

    ^M is not a corruption, this is how cat -A shows CR, your AI needs an
    update.
    Surely that was the point, there isn't supposed to be a CR in the
    linux
    file.

    There could be zero CRs, or there could be a million of them, provided they're not within quoted strings e.g. "not^Mhere" which would break
    stuff.

    The example shows them all at the end of the lines. So that looks like a Windows file, i.e. ^M^J instead of ^J. CRLF instead of LF. Whether it
    actually caused the problem or not is another matter, but if nobody is
    going to test it, we'll never know (and maybe not care).




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  • From dillinger@dillinger@invalid.not to alt.comp.software.firefox on Wed Apr 29 17:26:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On 29/04/2026 16:21, Richmond wrote:
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:

    Richmond wrote:

    dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> writes:

    ^M is not a corruption, this is how cat -A shows CR, your AI needs an
    update.
    Surely that was the point, there isn't supposed to be a CR in the
    linux
    file.

    There could be zero CRs, or there could be a million of them, provided
    they're not within quoted strings e.g. "not^Mhere" which would break
    stuff.

    The example shows them all at the end of the lines. So that looks like a Windows file, i.e. ^M^J instead of ^J. CRLF instead of LF. Whether it actually caused the problem or not is another matter, but if nobody is
    going to test it, we'll never know (and maybe not care).


    I tested it, it's in the part you snipped.

    Firefox doesn't care, but since we can't see Bev's original
    policies.json we'll never know what else her rewrite fixed.
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  • From Richmond@dnomhcir@gmx.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Wed Apr 29 16:47:12 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> writes:

    Op 29-04-2026 om 04:36 schreef The Real Bev:
    On 4/28/26 14:21, Dave Royal wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

    On 4/28/26 02:14, Dave Royal wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

    On 4/25/26 10:26, Nobody wrote:
    On Sat, 25 Apr 2026 18:18:07 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> >>>>>>> wrote:

    Retirednoguilt wrote:

    I've never had FF update me autonomously.

    I have it set for "Check for updates but let you choose to
    install them"
    and as best as I can remember, its never disobeyed ...

    Should a user (for whatever reason) 'uninstall/re-install' then that >>>>>>> radio button changes to 'automatically install/recommended'.

    Semi-OT, Thunderbird conversely holds the 'check for updates but >>>>>>> lemme
    do the work' setting.

    I have had that setting for decades -- and still do.-a Some years
    ago it stopped working and some kind person posted the
    policies.json fix -- which worked until today.-a Posted herewith:

    Make a new firefox/distribution/ subdirectory which will contain
    the file policies.json which contains
    {
    -a-a "policies": {
    -a-a-a-a "DisableAppUpdate": true
    -a-a }
    }

    Did that 'kind person' provide a policies.json file for you to
    -a download, or did you create one - on Linux?

    Someone posted about that file long ago, and the one I created with
    pico worked for years.
    Just wondering how these Windows line endings - if that was the
    -a problem - got there.
    They appeared when Firefox chose to update itself against my express
    wishes.-a I suspect that Firefox did it of its own volition -- or
    simple clumsiness.-a Core dump complete.

    You /found/ them after the unwanted update. Were they responsible
    -a for it? I doubt it: line endings - of either type - are ignored
    -a in a json file.

    The windows endings damaged the file such that it no longer served the
    purpose.-a Fixing it worked.


    Firefox doesn't care about line endings.

    Just for the sake of it I tested it for you, I created a policies.json
    which blocks about:config and tested it with both CRLF (windows) and LF (unix) line endings.

    The result are the same for both, it works:
    Blocked Page, Firefox canrCOt connect to the server at about:config

    ^M is not a corruption, this is how cat -A shows CR, your AI needs an
    update.

    CRLF (windows):
    cat -A policies.json
    {^M$
    "policies": {^M$
    "BlockAboutConfig": true^M$
    }^M$
    }^M$

    LF (unix):
    cat -A policies.json
    {$
    "policies": {$
    "BlockAboutConfig": true$
    }$
    }$

    You tested whether it blocked about:config, but you didn't test whether
    it blocked an update, or if the update altered the json file.
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to alt.comp.software.firefox on Wed Apr 29 16:52:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    Richmond wrote:

    You tested whether it blockedabout:config, but you didn't test whether
    it blocked an update, or if the update altered the json file.

    I think dilinger did more than his bit to test stuff, at this point if
    Bev is happy, nobody is likely to go back and find what actually
    happened, but it doesn't sound to me like a stray CR or LF would be the
    cause ...


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  • From Richmond@dnomhcir@gmx.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Wed Apr 29 16:54:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:

    Richmond wrote:

    You tested whether it blockedabout:config, but you didn't test whether
    it blocked an update, or if the update altered the json file.

    I think dilinger did more than his bit to test stuff, at this point if
    Bev is happy, nobody is likely to go back and find what actually
    happened, but it doesn't sound to me like a stray CR or LF would be
    the cause ...

    But how does firefox process json? it may be different code that
    processes the update part from the block part.
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to alt.comp.software.firefox on Wed Apr 29 17:00:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    Richmond wrote:

    But how does firefox process json? it may be different code that
    processes the update part from the block part.

    I haven't checked, but I would expect the FF devs to use a decently
    supported library (probably libjson) to save reinventing the wheel.
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  • From dillinger@dillinger@invalid.not to alt.comp.software.firefox on Wed Apr 29 18:11:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On 29/04/2026 17:47, Richmond wrote:
    dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> writes:

    Op 29-04-2026 om 04:36 schreef The Real Bev:
    On 4/28/26 14:21, Dave Royal wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

    On 4/28/26 02:14, Dave Royal wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

    On 4/25/26 10:26, Nobody wrote:
    On Sat, 25 Apr 2026 18:18:07 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    Retirednoguilt wrote:

    I've never had FF update me autonomously.

    I have it set for "Check for updates but let you choose to
    install them"
    and as best as I can remember, its never disobeyed ...

    Should a user (for whatever reason) 'uninstall/re-install' then that >>>>>>>> radio button changes to 'automatically install/recommended'.

    Semi-OT, Thunderbird conversely holds the 'check for updates but >>>>>>>> lemme
    do the work' setting.

    I have had that setting for decades -- and still do.-a Some years >>>>>>> ago it stopped working and some kind person posted the
    policies.json fix -- which worked until today.-a Posted herewith: >>>>>>>
    Make a new firefox/distribution/ subdirectory which will contain >>>>>>> the file policies.json which contains
    {
    -a-a "policies": {
    -a-a-a-a "DisableAppUpdate": true
    -a-a }
    }

    Did that 'kind person' provide a policies.json file for you to
    -a download, or did you create one - on Linux?

    Someone posted about that file long ago, and the one I created with
    pico worked for years.
    Just wondering how these Windows line endings - if that was the
    -a problem - got there.
    They appeared when Firefox chose to update itself against my express >>>>> wishes.-a I suspect that Firefox did it of its own volition -- or
    simple clumsiness.-a Core dump complete.

    You /found/ them after the unwanted update. Were they responsible
    -a for it? I doubt it: line endings - of either type - are ignored
    -a in a json file.

    The windows endings damaged the file such that it no longer served the
    purpose.-a Fixing it worked.


    Firefox doesn't care about line endings.

    Just for the sake of it I tested it for you, I created a policies.json
    which blocks about:config and tested it with both CRLF (windows) and LF
    (unix) line endings.

    The result are the same for both, it works:
    Blocked Page, Firefox canrCOt connect to the server at about:config

    ^M is not a corruption, this is how cat -A shows CR, your AI needs an
    update.

    CRLF (windows):
    cat -A policies.json
    {^M$
    "policies": {^M$
    "BlockAboutConfig": true^M$
    }^M$
    }^M$

    LF (unix):
    cat -A policies.json
    {$
    "policies": {$
    "BlockAboutConfig": true$
    }$
    }$

    You tested whether it blocked about:config, but you didn't test whether
    it blocked an update, or if the update altered the json file.

    I tested policies.json, which was reported corrupted, with both CRLF and
    LF, any policy will do, we don't need to wait for the next update. Policies.json is not included by default, updates will either not touch
    it at all or remove it completely, depending on how you update.
    Since we can't see the original file there is no way to tell how it was changed.
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  • From Dave Royal@dave@dave123royal.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Wed Apr 29 20:20:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> Wrote in message:

    On 29/04/2026 17:47, Richmond wrote:
    dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> writes:

    Op 29-04-2026 om 04:36 schreef The Real Bev:
    On 4/28/26 14:21, Dave Royal wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

    On 4/28/26 02:14, Dave Royal wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

    On 4/25/26 10:26, Nobody wrote:
    On Sat, 25 Apr 2026 18:18:07 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    Retirednoguilt wrote:

    I've never had FF update me autonomously.

    I have it set for "Check for updates but let you choose to >>>>>>>>>> install them"
    and as best as I can remember, its never disobeyed ...

    Should a user (for whatever reason) 'uninstall/re-install' then that >>>>>>>>> radio button changes to 'automatically install/recommended'. >>>>>>>>>
    Semi-OT, Thunderbird conversely holds the 'check for updates but >>>>>>>>> lemme
    do the work' setting.

    I have had that setting for decades -- and still do. Some years >>>>>>>> ago it stopped working and some kind person posted the
    policies.json fix -- which worked until today. Posted herewith: >>>>>>>>
    Make a new firefox/distribution/ subdirectory which will contain >>>>>>>> the file policies.json which contains
    {
    "policies": {
    "DisableAppUpdate": true
    }
    }

    Did that 'kind person' provide a policies.json file for you to
    download, or did you create one - on Linux?

    Someone posted about that file long ago, and the one I created with >>>>>> pico worked for years.
    Just wondering how these Windows line endings - if that was the
    problem - got there.
    They appeared when Firefox chose to update itself against my express >>>>>> wishes. I suspect that Firefox did it of its own volition -- or
    simple clumsiness. Core dump complete.

    You /found/ them after the unwanted update. Were they responsible
    for it? I doubt it: line endings - of either type - are ignored
    in a json file.

    The windows endings damaged the file such that it no longer served the >>>> purpose. Fixing it worked.


    Firefox doesn't care about line endings.

    Just for the sake of it I tested it for you, I created a policies.json
    which blocks about:config and tested it with both CRLF (windows) and LF
    (unix) line endings.

    The result are the same for both, it works:
    Blocked Page, Firefox canrCOt connect to the server at about:config

    ^M is not a corruption, this is how cat -A shows CR, your AI needs an
    update.

    CRLF (windows):
    cat -A policies.json
    {^M$
    "policies": {^M$
    "BlockAboutConfig": true^M$
    }^M$
    }^M$

    LF (unix):
    cat -A policies.json
    {$
    "policies": {$
    "BlockAboutConfig": true$
    }$
    }$

    You tested whether it blocked about:config, but you didn't test whether
    it blocked an update, or if the update altered the json file.

    I tested policies.json, which was reported corrupted, with both CRLF and
    LF, any policy will do, we don't need to wait for the next update. Policies.json is not included by default, updates will either not touch
    it at all or remove it completely, depending on how you update.
    Since we can't see the original file there is no way to tell how it was changed.

    Why might an update remove policies.json? I assume that the
    firefox updater will read it if it's there but never write to it.
    The point of it is that it's user, or organisation,
    controlled.

    I did wonder if updates might /update/ policies.json, for changes
    in format say, in the way they update a profile. But I doubt
    it.

    On Debian I have tarballs of Fx nightly and TB beta, in addtion to
    packaged versions for regular use. They do not include a
    distribution/ directory or a template policies.json.
    --
    Remove numerics from my email address.
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  • From The Real Bev@bashley101@gmail.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Wed Apr 29 19:41:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On 4/29/26 07:21, Richmond wrote:
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:

    Richmond wrote:

    dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> writes:

    ^M is not a corruption, this is how cat -A shows CR, your AI needs an
    update.
    Surely that was the point, there isn't supposed to be a CR in the
    linux
    file.

    There could be zero CRs, or there could be a million of them, provided
    they're not within quoted strings e.g. "not^Mhere" which would break
    stuff.

    The example shows them all at the end of the lines. So that looks like a Windows file, i.e. ^M^J instead of ^J. CRLF instead of LF. Whether it actually caused the problem or not is another matter, but if nobody is
    going to test it, we'll never know (and maybe not care).

    With the ^Ms in the file the 'help' screen said I was updated, which is
    true. When I recreated the file without the ^Ms I was told that updates
    had been blocked by my organization.

    I'm unwilling to put the ^Ms back to do a second test. If it ain't
    broke don't fix it. I'm happy with what I did.
    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "Life is actually fair. It just doesn't seem to be common
    knowledge that 'fair' sometimes sucks." -- Jim Cook

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  • From The Real Bev@bashley101@gmail.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Wed Apr 29 20:30:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    On 4/29/26 12:20, Dave Royal wrote:
    dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> Wrote in message:

    On 29/04/2026 17:47, Richmond wrote:
    dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> writes:

    Op 29-04-2026 om 04:36 schreef The Real Bev:
    On 4/28/26 14:21, Dave Royal wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

    On 4/28/26 02:14, Dave Royal wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

    On 4/25/26 10:26, Nobody wrote:
    On Sat, 25 Apr 2026 18:18:07 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    Retirednoguilt wrote:

    I've never had FF update me autonomously.

    I have it set for "Check for updates but let you choose to >>>>>>>>>>> install them"
    and as best as I can remember, its never disobeyed ...

    Should a user (for whatever reason) 'uninstall/re-install' then that >>>>>>>>>> radio button changes to 'automatically install/recommended'. >>>>>>>>>>
    Semi-OT, Thunderbird conversely holds the 'check for updates but >>>>>>>>>> lemme
    do the work' setting.

    I have had that setting for decades -- and still do. Some years >>>>>>>>> ago it stopped working and some kind person posted the
    policies.json fix -- which worked until today. Posted herewith: >>>>>>>>>
    Make a new firefox/distribution/ subdirectory which will contain >>>>>>>>> the file policies.json which contains
    {
    "policies": {
    "DisableAppUpdate": true
    }
    }

    Did that 'kind person' provide a policies.json file for you to >>>>>>>> download, or did you create one - on Linux?

    Someone posted about that file long ago, and the one I created with >>>>>>> pico worked for years.
    Just wondering how these Windows line endings - if that was the >>>>>>>> problem - got there.
    They appeared when Firefox chose to update itself against my express >>>>>>> wishes. I suspect that Firefox did it of its own volition -- or >>>>>>> simple clumsiness. Core dump complete.

    You /found/ them after the unwanted update. Were they responsible
    for it? I doubt it: line endings - of either type - are ignored >>>>>> in a json file.

    The windows endings damaged the file such that it no longer served the >>>>> purpose. Fixing it worked.


    Firefox doesn't care about line endings.

    Just for the sake of it I tested it for you, I created a policies.json >>>> which blocks about:config and tested it with both CRLF (windows) and LF >>>> (unix) line endings.

    The result are the same for both, it works:
    Blocked Page, Firefox canrCOt connect to the server at about:config

    ^M is not a corruption, this is how cat -A shows CR, your AI needs an
    update.

    CRLF (windows):
    cat -A policies.json
    {^M$
    "policies": {^M$
    "BlockAboutConfig": true^M$
    }^M$
    }^M$

    LF (unix):
    cat -A policies.json
    {$
    "policies": {$
    "BlockAboutConfig": true$
    }$
    }$

    You tested whether it blocked about:config, but you didn't test whether
    it blocked an update, or if the update altered the json file.

    I tested policies.json, which was reported corrupted, with both CRLF and
    LF, any policy will do, we don't need to wait for the next update.
    Policies.json is not included by default, updates will either not touch
    it at all or remove it completely, depending on how you update.
    Since we can't see the original file there is no way to tell how it was
    changed.

    Why might an update remove policies.json? I assume that the
    firefox updater will read it if it's there but never write to it.
    The point of it is that it's user, or organisation,
    controlled.

    I did wonder if updates might /update/ policies.json, for changes
    in format say, in the way they update a profile. But I doubt
    it.

    On Debian I have tarballs of Fx nightly and TB beta, in addtion to
    packaged versions for regular use. They do not include a
    distribution/ directory or a template policies.json.

    No, they're not included with the tarball. "Some kind person" posted
    the fix at some point in the past (earliest I have is Firefox 72, July
    7,2020) posted how to do it. If I want to use a newer version I don't
    update. I download the tarball, untar it into its own subdirectory and
    run it from within that subdirectory (/blabla/firefox/firefox -P &).
    After running it once I exit and copy over (cp -rf *) my previous
    profile into the newly created profile. Accordingly, I have at least a
    dozen fully functional firefoxes. TMI, but there it is.

    Worked fine until somebody said that FF148 had some sort of security
    problem, at which point I did an update to 149 rather than building a
    whole new installation. I think I renamed the policies.json file, which
    would have been the simplest thing. Sorry I can't be more certain. Then
    I would have renamed it back. And then I got the unwanted surprise of
    the 150 update. I turned the problem over to Perplexity, which provided
    the solution. If anyone is interested I can have Perplexity generate a
    nice pdf file of the entire interchange.

    I assume that firefox does some variant of cp -rf * when it updates and
    then does some profile-creation stuff and god knows what else. It must
    also use some touch-like command, becuase the date of the policies.json
    file was the same as the date on all the other FF 150 subdirectories and files. I don't remember looking at the FF149/firefox files because I
    would have had no reason to. And that must be when the mischief occurred.

    AH-HAH! At some point when I first heard about the policies.json thing
    I was unsure about where to put it, so I put one in the /firefox
    subdirectory. It's still there, and contains the ^M characters. They
    seem to be M- instead of ^M, for what it's worth. Its date is the same
    as all the others -- April 24 19:37.

    cat -A policies.json
    {$
    M- "policies": {$
    M- M- "DisableAppUpdate": true$
    M- }$
    }$
    $
    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "Nothing in the universe can withstand the relentless application
    of brute force and ignorance." -- Frd, via Dennis (evil)
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  • From Richmond@dnomhcir@gmx.com to alt.comp.software.firefox on Thu Apr 30 09:10:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> writes:

    On 4/29/26 12:20, Dave Royal wrote:
    dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> Wrote in message:

    On 29/04/2026 17:47, Richmond wrote:
    dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> writes:

    Op 29-04-2026 om 04:36 schreef The Real Bev:
    On 4/28/26 14:21, Dave Royal wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

    On 4/28/26 02:14, Dave Royal wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

    On 4/25/26 10:26, Nobody wrote:
    On Sat, 25 Apr 2026 18:18:07 +0100, Andy Burns
    <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Retirednoguilt wrote:

    I've never had FF update me autonomously.

    I have it set for "Check for updates but let you choose to >>>>>>>>>>>> install them" and as best as I can remember, its never >>>>>>>>>>>> disobeyed ...

    Should a user (for whatever reason) 'uninstall/re-install' >>>>>>>>>>> then that radio button changes to 'automatically
    install/recommended'.

    Semi-OT, Thunderbird conversely holds the 'check for updates >>>>>>>>>>> but lemme do the work' setting.

    I have had that setting for decades -- and still do. Some >>>>>>>>>> years ago it stopped working and some kind person posted the >>>>>>>>>> policies.json fix -- which worked until today. Posted
    herewith:

    Make a new firefox/distribution/ subdirectory which will
    contain the file policies.json which contains { "policies": { >>>>>>>>>> "DisableAppUpdate": true } }

    Did that 'kind person' provide a policies.json file for you to >>>>>>>>> download, or did you create one - on Linux?

    Someone posted about that file long ago, and the one I created >>>>>>>> with pico worked for years. > Just wondering how these Windows >>>>>>>> line endings - if that was the > problem - got there. They
    appeared when Firefox chose to update itself against my express >>>>>>>> wishes. I suspect that Firefox did it of its own volition --
    or simple clumsiness. Core dump complete.

    You /found/ them after the unwanted update. Were they
    responsible for it? I doubt it: line endings - of either type >>>>>>> - are ignored in a json file.

    The windows endings damaged the file such that it no longer
    served the purpose. Fixing it worked.


    Firefox doesn't care about line endings.

    Just for the sake of it I tested it for you, I created a
    policies.json which blocks about:config and tested it with both
    CRLF (windows) and LF (unix) line endings.

    The result are the same for both, it works: Blocked Page, Firefox
    canrCOt connect to the server at about:config

    ^M is not a corruption, this is how cat -A shows CR, your AI needs
    an update.

    CRLF (windows): cat -A policies.json {^M$ "policies": {^M$
    "BlockAboutConfig": true^M$ }^M$ }^M$

    LF (unix): cat -A policies.json {$ "policies": {$
    "BlockAboutConfig": true$ }$ }$ >>>> You tested whether it blocked
    about:config, but you didn't test >>>> whether >>>> it blocked an
    update, or if the update altered the json file. >>> I tested
    policies.json, which was reported corrupted, with both >>> CRLF
    and LF, any policy will do, we don't need to wait for the next >>>
    update. >>> Policies.json is not included by default, updates
    will either not >>> touch it at all or remove it completely,
    depending on how you >>> update. >>> Since we can't see the
    original file there is no way to tell how it >>> was changed. >>
    Why might an update remove policies.json? I assume that the >>
    firefox updater will read it if it's there but never write to it.
    The point of it is that it's user, or organisation, >>
    controlled. >> I did wonder if updates might /update/
    policies.json, for changes >> in format say, in the way they
    update a profile. But I doubt >> it. >> On Debian I have tarballs
    of Fx nightly and TB beta, in addtion to >> packaged versions for
    regular use. They do not include a >> distribution/ directory or a
    template policies.json.

    No, they're not included with the tarball. "Some kind person" posted
    the fix at some point in the past (earliest I have is Firefox 72, July 7,2020) posted how to do it. If I want to use a newer version I don't update. I download the tarball, untar it into its own subdirectory
    and run it from within that subdirectory (/blabla/firefox/firefox -P
    &). After running it once I exit and copy over (cp -rf *) my previous
    profile into the newly created profile. Accordingly, I have at least
    a dozen fully functional firefoxes. TMI, but there it is.

    Worked fine until somebody said that FF148 had some sort of security
    problem, at which point I did an update to 149 rather than building a
    whole new installation. I think I renamed the policies.json file,
    which would have been the simplest thing. Sorry I can't be more
    certain. Then I would have renamed it back. And then I got the
    unwanted surprise of the 150 update. I turned the problem over to Perplexity, which provided the solution. If anyone is interested I
    can have Perplexity generate a nice pdf file of the entire
    interchange.

    I assume that firefox does some variant of cp -rf * when it updates
    and then does some profile-creation stuff and god knows what else. It
    must also use some touch-like command, becuase the date of the
    policies.json file was the same as the date on all the other FF 150 subdirectories and files. I don't remember looking at the
    FF149/firefox files because I would have had no reason to. And that
    must be when the mischief occurred.

    AH-HAH! At some point when I first heard about the policies.json
    thing I was unsure about where to put it, so I put one in the /firefox subdirectory. It's still there, and contains the ^M characters. They
    seem to be M- instead of ^M, for what it's worth. Its date is the same
    as all the others -- April 24 19:37.

    cat -A policies.json {$ M- "policies": {$ M- M- "DisableAppUpdate":
    true$ M- }$ }$ $

    The plot thickens. Here is what my favourite AI said:

    "In your case, the indentation uses UTF-8 encoded non-breaking spaces
    (or similar Unicode whitespace) instead of regular ASCII spaces
    (0x20). For example, M- is likely a non-breaking space (U+00A0, encoded
    as 0xC2 0xA0 in UTF-8).

    Why this matters for a JSON file: Most JSON parsers only treat ASCII
    whitespace (regular space, tab, newline) as insignificant
    whitespace. Non-breaking spaces can cause parse errors depending on the
    parser. "
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to alt.comp.software.firefox on Thu Apr 30 10:03:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.software.seamonk

    Richmond wrote:

    Most JSON parsers only treat ASCII
    whitespace (regular space, tab, newline) as insignificant
    whitespace. Non-breaking spaces can cause parse errors depending on the parser.

    Yeah, that'd b0rk it ...


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