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Does anyone know where the open tabs are located. In 149 as you open
tabs they appeared in the last line of the header.

In 150 they are no where to be found.
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knuttle wrote:

Does anyone know where the open tabs are located.-a In 149 as you open
tabs they appeared in the last line of the header.

In 150 they are no where to be found.

With v149 I switched to vertical tabs, just reverted to horizontal and
new tabs appear to the right of the current tab, just like they have
since forever ...
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knuttle wrote:

Does anyone know where the open tabs are located.-a In 149 as you open
tabs they appeared in the last line of the header.

In 150 they are no where to be found.

I'm on the ESR stream, mostly to avoid surprises like that.
- does https://www.firefox.com/en-US/firefox/150.0/releasenotes/ ring
any bells?
- I'd expect "Settings" (or about:preferences - is the same) to offer a
way of configuring that, right in the General section under Tabs.

You will presumably need to have at least two tabs open in order to see
the display, someone may have decided that there is no point to the
display if only one tab is open.
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Den 21.04.2026 22:02, skrev Andy Burns:

knuttle wrote:

Does anyone know where the open tabs are located.-a In 149 as you open
tabs they appeared in the last line of the header.

In 150 they are no where to be found.

With v149 I switched to vertical tabs, just reverted to horizontal and
new tabs appear to the right of the current tab, just like they have
since forever ...

Hi. I've got the same trouble as knuttle. The upgrade to 150 "removed"
my tabs. I have never used vertical tabs. Horizontal tabs are selected.
It's just a gray line / field below my bookmarks.

As you see I have a userchrome.css file which has placed my tabs below
the bookmarks. Perhaps it is this one thats needs to be updated /
changed? I do not remember where I got it, sorry.

**************************************************************************

/* TABS: on bottom */
#navigator-toolbox toolbar:not(#nav-bar):not(#toolbar-menubar) {-moz-box-ordinal-group:10}
#TabsToolbar {-moz-box-ordinal-group:1000!important}

#TabsToolbar {
position: absolute !important;
bottom: 0 !important;
width: 100vw !important;
}

#tabbrowser-tabs {
width: 100vw !important;
}
#main-window:not([chromehidden*="toolbar"]) #navigator-toolbox
{padding-bottom: var(--tab-min-height) !important;}

/* TABS: height */
:root {
--tab-toolbar-navbar-overlap: 0px !important;
--tab-min-height: 27px !important; /* adjust to suit your needs */
}
:root #tabbrowser-tabs {
--tab-min-height: 27px !important; /* needs to be the same as above
under :root */
--tab-min-width: 80px !important;
}

#TabsToolbar {
height: var(--tab-min-height) !important;
margin-bottom: 1px !important;
box-shadow: ThreeDShadow 0 -1px inset, -moz-dialog 0 1px !important;
}

#tabbrowser-tabs,
#tabbrowser-tabs > .tabbrowser-arrowscrollbox, .tabbrowser-tabs[positionpinnedtabs] > .tabbrowser-tab[pinned] {
min-height: var(--tab-min-height) !important;
max-height: var(--tab-min-height) !important;
}

/* drag space */
.titlebar-spacer[type="pre-tabs"],
.titlebar-spacer[type="post-tabs"] {
width: 40px;
}

/* Override vertical shifts when moving a tab */
#navigator-toolbox[movingtab] > #titlebar > #TabsToolbar {
padding-bottom: unset !important;
}
#navigator-toolbox[movingtab] #tabbrowser-tabs {
padding-bottom: unset !important;
margin-bottom: unset !important;
}
#navigator-toolbox[movingtab] > #nav-bar {
margin-top: unset !important;
}

/* Tighten up drop-down/context/popup menu spacing */
menupopup > menuitem, menupopup > menu { padding-block: 2px !important; }
:root { --arrowpanel-menuitem-padding: 4px 8px !important; }

**********************************************************************************
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On 04/21/2026 4:02 PM, Andy Burns wrote:

knuttle wrote:

Does anyone know where the open tabs are located.-a In 149 as you open
tabs they appeared in the last line of the header.

In 150 they are no where to be found.

With v149 I switched to vertical tabs, just reverted to horizontal and
new tabs appear to the right of the current tab, just like they have
since forever ...

Tried that and several other things. So either I am blind, there is a
secret check box, or some other way to show the open tabs at the top of
the page.

When I click on a tab folder which in past versions would open each url
in a new tab, it only opens the one URL in the current window.

Firefox 150 no themes and a couple of addons Windows 11 fully updated,
i7 Ultra CPU and 16 GB of ram.
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Den 21.04.2026 22:20, skrev Petersen, Vegard Krog:

Den 21.04.2026 22:02, skrev Andy Burns:

knuttle wrote:

Does anyone know where the open tabs are located.-a In 149 as you open
tabs they appeared in the last line of the header.

In 150 they are no where to be found.

With v149 I switched to vertical tabs, just reverted to horizontal and
new tabs appear to the right of the current tab, just like they have
since forever ...

Hi. I've got the same trouble as knuttle. The upgrade to 150 "removed"
my tabs. I have never used vertical tabs. Horizontal tabs are selected.
It's just a gray line / field below my bookmarks.

As you see I have a userchrome.css file which has placed my tabs below
the bookmarks. Perhaps it is this one thats needs to be updated /
changed? I do not remember where I got it, sorry.

**************************************************************************

/* TABS: on bottom */
#navigator-toolbox toolbar:not(#nav-bar):not(#toolbar-menubar) {-moz-box-ordinal-group:10}
#TabsToolbar {-moz-box-ordinal-group:1000!important}

#TabsToolbar {
-aposition: absolute !important;
-abottom: 0 !important;
-awidth: 100vw !important;
}

#tabbrowser-tabs {
-a width: 100vw !important;
}
#main-window:not([chromehidden*="toolbar"]) #navigator-toolbox {padding-bottom: var(--tab-min-height) !important;}

/* TABS: height */
:root {
-a--tab-toolbar-navbar-overlap: 0px !important;
-a--tab-min-height: 27px !important; /* adjust to suit your needs */
}
:root #tabbrowser-tabs {
-a--tab-min-height: 27px !important; /* needs to be the same as above
under :root */
-a--tab-min-width: 80px !important;
}

#TabsToolbar {
-aheight: var(--tab-min-height) !important;
-amargin-bottom: 1px !important;
-abox-shadow: ThreeDShadow 0 -1px inset, -moz-dialog 0 1px !important;
}

#tabbrowser-tabs,
#tabbrowser-tabs > .tabbrowser-arrowscrollbox, .tabbrowser-tabs[positionpinnedtabs] > .tabbrowser-tab[pinned] {
-a min-height: var(--tab-min-height) !important;
-a max-height: var(--tab-min-height) !important;
}

/* drag space */
.titlebar-spacer[type="pre-tabs"],
.titlebar-spacer[type="post-tabs"] {
-a width: 40px;
}

/* Override vertical shifts when moving a tab */ #navigator-toolbox[movingtab] > #titlebar > #TabsToolbar {
-a padding-bottom: unset !important;
}
#navigator-toolbox[movingtab] #tabbrowser-tabs {
-a padding-bottom: unset !important;
-a margin-bottom: unset !important;
}
#navigator-toolbox[movingtab] > #nav-bar {
-a margin-top: unset !important;
}

/* Tighten up drop-down/context/popup menu spacing */
menupopup > menuitem, menupopup > menu { padding-block: 2px !important; } :root { --arrowpanel-menuitem-padding: 4px 8px !important; }

**********************************************************************************

I double checked and made all extensions inactive. No change.
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knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:

Does anyone know where the open tabs are located. In 149 as you open
tabs they appeared in the last line of the header.

In 150 they are no where to be found.

Did you press F11 to go into fullscreen mode for Firefox? The tab and
address bars are hidden in fullscreen mode (until you move the mouse
pointer to the top of the screen).

There are Firefox extensions that modify or hide tabs. Have you
disabled all extensions, and restarted Firefox to check if tabs appear?
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"Petersen, Vegard Krog" <vegard_krog_petersen@hotmail.com> wrote:

Andy Burns:

knuttle wrote:

Does anyone know where the open tabs are located.-a In 149 as you open
tabs they appeared in the last line of the header.

In 150 they are no where to be found.

With v149 I switched to vertical tabs, just reverted to horizontal and
new tabs appear to the right of the current tab, just like they have
since forever ...

Hi. I've got the same trouble as knuttle. The upgrade to 150 "removed"
my tabs. I have never used vertical tabs. Horizontal tabs are selected.
It's just a gray line / field below my bookmarks.

As you see I have a userchrome.css file which has placed my tabs below
the bookmarks. ...

I notice you putz with the tabs toolbar in your CSS. For example, to
collapse the toolbar, you could use:

#TabsToolbar
{
visibility: collapse;
}

Try renaming your .css file or moving it out of your Firefox profile
folder to see if your manipulations on the tabs toolbar by CSS is
inflicting the problem. While users can modify the chrome using that
CSS file does not mandate Mozilla will continue to honor its directives,
or they remain compatible with later versions of Firefox.

The OP did not mention he is using the userchrome.css to modify the
chrome of Firefox. Possibly the OP viewing Firefox in fullscreen mode
by pressing F11.
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On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 22:34:33 +0200, "Petersen, Vegard Krog" <vegard_krog_petersen@hotmail.com> wrote:

Den 21.04.2026 22:20, skrev Petersen, Vegard Krog:

Den 21.04.2026 22:02, skrev Andy Burns:

knuttle wrote:

Does anyone know where the open tabs are located.-a In 149 as you open >>>> tabs they appeared in the last line of the header.

In 150 they are no where to be found.

With v149 I switched to vertical tabs, just reverted to horizontal and
new tabs appear to the right of the current tab, just like they have
since forever ...

Hi. I've got the same trouble as knuttle. The upgrade to 150 "removed"
my tabs. I have never used vertical tabs. Horizontal tabs are selected.
It's just a gray line / field below my bookmarks.

As you see I have a userchrome.css file which has placed my tabs below
the bookmarks.

I run my tabs on bottom as well, using userChrome code from
MrOtherGuy's collection on Github.
Mine still works with Ffox 150.0 ***************************************************
/* Source file https://github.com/MrOtherGuy/firefox-csshacks/tree/master/chrome/tabs_on_bottom_v2.css
made available under Mozilla Public License v. 2.0
See the above repository for updates as well as full license text. */
/* This reorders toolbar to place tabs below other toolbars. Requires
Firefox 133+ */
@media -moz-pref("userchrome.force-window-controls-on-left.enabled"){
#nav-bar > .titlebar-buttonbox-container{
order: -1 !important;
> .titlebar-buttonbox{
flex-direction: row-reverse;
}
}
}
@media not -moz-pref("sidebar.verticalTabs"){
.global-notificationbox,
#tab-notification-deck,
#notifications-toolbar,
#TabsToolbar{
order: 1;
}
#TabsToolbar > :is(.titlebar-spacer,.titlebar-buttonbox-container){
display: none;
}
:root[sizemode="fullscreen"] #nav-bar >
.titlebar-buttonbox-container{
display: flex !important;
}
:root[customtitlebar] #toolbar-menubar:is([autohide=""],[autohide="true"],[collapsed]) ~
#nav-bar{
> .titlebar-buttonbox-container{
display: flex !important;
}
:root[sizemode="normal"] & {
> .titlebar-spacer{
display: flex !important;
}
}
:root[sizemode="maximized"] & {
> .titlebar-spacer[type="post-tabs"]{
display: flex !important;
}
@media
-moz-pref("userchrome.force-window-controls-on-left.enabled"),
(-moz-gtk-csd-reversed-placement),
(-moz-platform: macos){
> .titlebar-spacer[type="post-tabs"]{
display: none !important;
}
> .titlebar-spacer[type="pre-tabs"]{
display: flex !important;
}
}
}
}
}
***********************************************
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On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 15:51:54 -0400, knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Does anyone know where the open tabs are located. In 149 as you open
tabs they appeared in the last line of the header.

In 150 they are no where to be found.

I wonder if somehow you've hit the 'Add tab to taskbar' icon at the
right-hand end of the address bar? Normally, it looks like a small
elevator with a downward arrow.
But when activated the screen goes, er... well semi-fullscreen...
showing just the currrent tab... and tabs disappear.
Right-click icons on your taskbar (y'know at the very bottom of your
screen... and see if any show "Firefox" as the top possibility.
Left-cllcking that restores a 'normal' Ffox screen.
Wasn't this a Smart Feature Idea introduced back in September 2025?
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On 04/21/2026 3:51 PM, knuttle wrote:

Does anyone know where the open tabs are located.-a In 149 as you open
tabs they appeared in the last line of the header.

In 150 they are no where to be found.

After trying to get version 150 to run properly and failing, I
uninstalled it and returned to version 149.

I will install 150 when they get a work version released
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On 21-04-2026 22:34, Petersen, Vegard Krog wrote:

Den 21.04.2026 22:20, skrev Petersen, Vegard Krog:

Den 21.04.2026 22:02, skrev Andy Burns:

knuttle wrote:

Does anyone know where the open tabs are located.-a In 149 as you open >>>> tabs they appeared in the last line of the header.

In 150 they are no where to be found.

With v149 I switched to vertical tabs, just reverted to horizontal
and new tabs appear to the right of the current tab, just like they
have since forever ...

Hi. I've got the same trouble as knuttle. The upgrade to 150 "removed">> my tabs. I have never used vertical tabs. Horizontal tabs are
selected. It's just a gray line / field below my bookmarks.

As you see I have a userchrome.css file which has placed my tabs below>> the bookmarks. Perhaps it is this one thats needs to be updated /
changed? I do not remember where I got it, sorry.

************************************************************************** >>
/* TABS: on bottom */
#navigator-toolbox toolbar:not(#nav-bar):not(#toolbar-menubar)
{-moz-box-ordinal-group:10}
#TabsToolbar {-moz-box-ordinal-group:1000!important}

#TabsToolbar {
-a-aposition: absolute !important;
-a-abottom: 0 !important;
-a-awidth: 100vw !important;
}

#tabbrowser-tabs {
-a-a width: 100vw !important;
}
#main-window:not([chromehidden*="toolbar"]) #navigator-toolbox
{padding-bottom: var(--tab-min-height) !important;}

/* TABS: height */
:root {
-a-a--tab-toolbar-navbar-overlap: 0px !important;
-a-a--tab-min-height: 27px !important; /* adjust to suit your needs */
}
:root #tabbrowser-tabs {
-a-a--tab-min-height: 27px !important; /* needs to be the same as above
under :root */
-a-a--tab-min-width: 80px !important;
}

#TabsToolbar {
-a-aheight: var(--tab-min-height) !important;
-a-amargin-bottom: 1px !important;
-a-abox-shadow: ThreeDShadow 0 -1px inset, -moz-dialog 0 1px !important;
}

#tabbrowser-tabs,
#tabbrowser-tabs > .tabbrowser-arrowscrollbox,
.tabbrowser-tabs[positionpinnedtabs] > .tabbrowser-tab[pinned] {
-a-a min-height: var(--tab-min-height) !important;
-a-a max-height: var(--tab-min-height) !important;
}

/* drag space */
.titlebar-spacer[type="pre-tabs"],
.titlebar-spacer[type="post-tabs"] {
-a-a width: 40px;
}

/* Override vertical shifts when moving a tab */
#navigator-toolbox[movingtab] > #titlebar > #TabsToolbar {
-a-a padding-bottom: unset !important;
}
#navigator-toolbox[movingtab] #tabbrowser-tabs {
-a-a padding-bottom: unset !important;
-a-a margin-bottom: unset !important;
}
#navigator-toolbox[movingtab] > #nav-bar {
-a-a margin-top: unset !important;
}

/* Tighten up drop-down/context/popup menu spacing */
menupopup > menuitem, menupopup > menu { padding-block: 2px !important; }
:root { --arrowpanel-menuitem-padding: 4px 8px !important; }

**********************************************************************************

I double checked and made all extensions inactive. No change.

Just tried it, your userchrome.css indeed kills all tabs, a blank space
appears where they probably should be, don't blame Firefox.
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On 22-04-2026 03:50, knuttle wrote:

On 04/21/2026 3:51 PM, knuttle wrote:

Does anyone know where the open tabs are located.-a In 149 as you open
tabs they appeared in the last line of the header.

In 150 they are no where to be found.

After trying to get version 150 to run properly and failing, I
uninstalled it and returned to version 149.

I will install 150 when they get a work version released

Did you perhaps tweak your userchrome.css, like Petersen, Vegard Krog did?
The "Tabs: on bottom" fix he applied kills all tabs, a blank space
appears where they probably should be.
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Den 22.04.2026 00:14, skrev Nobody:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 22:34:33 +0200, "Petersen, Vegard Krog" <vegard_krog_petersen@hotmail.com> wrote:

Den 21.04.2026 22:20, skrev Petersen, Vegard Krog:

Den 21.04.2026 22:02, skrev Andy Burns:

knuttle wrote:

Does anyone know where the open tabs are located.-a In 149 as you open >>>>> tabs they appeared in the last line of the header.

In 150 they are no where to be found.

With v149 I switched to vertical tabs, just reverted to horizontal and >>>> new tabs appear to the right of the current tab, just like they have
since forever ...

Hi. I've got the same trouble as knuttle. The upgrade to 150 "removed"
my tabs. I have never used vertical tabs. Horizontal tabs are selected.
It's just a gray line / field below my bookmarks.

As you see I have a userchrome.css file which has placed my tabs below
the bookmarks.

I run my tabs on bottom as well, using userChrome code from
MrOtherGuy's collection on Github.

Mine still works with Ffox 150.0

***************************************************

/* Source file https://github.com/MrOtherGuy/firefox-csshacks/tree/master/chrome/tabs_on_bottom_v2.css
made available under Mozilla Public License v. 2.0
See the above repository for updates as well as full license text. */

/* This reorders toolbar to place tabs below other toolbars. Requires
Firefox 133+ */

@media -moz-pref("userchrome.force-window-controls-on-left.enabled"){
#nav-bar > .titlebar-buttonbox-container{
order: -1 !important;
> .titlebar-buttonbox{
flex-direction: row-reverse;
}
}
}
@media not -moz-pref("sidebar.verticalTabs"){
.global-notificationbox,
#tab-notification-deck,
#notifications-toolbar,
#TabsToolbar{
order: 1;
}
#TabsToolbar > :is(.titlebar-spacer,.titlebar-buttonbox-container){
display: none;
}
:root[sizemode="fullscreen"] #nav-bar >
.titlebar-buttonbox-container{
display: flex !important;
}
:root[customtitlebar] #toolbar-menubar:is([autohide=""],[autohide="true"],[collapsed]) ~
#nav-bar{
> .titlebar-buttonbox-container{
display: flex !important;
}
:root[sizemode="normal"] & {
> .titlebar-spacer{
display: flex !important;
}
}
:root[sizemode="maximized"] & {
> .titlebar-spacer[type="post-tabs"]{
display: flex !important;
}
@media
-moz-pref("userchrome.force-window-controls-on-left.enabled"),
(-moz-gtk-csd-reversed-placement),
(-moz-platform: macos){
> .titlebar-spacer[type="post-tabs"]{
display: none !important;
}
> .titlebar-spacer[type="pre-tabs"]{
display: flex !important;
}
}
}
}
}

***********************************************

Many thanks! :-)
This did the trick. All is well again.

I added this from my last file; so that it narrowed the space beetween bookmarks in the drop down.

**************************************************************************
/* Tighten up drop-down/context/popup menu spacing */
menupopup > menuitem, menupopup > menu { padding-block: 2px !important; }
:root { --arrowpanel-menuitem-padding: 4px 8px !important; } **************************************************************************

Regards from Vegard

--
Vegard Krog Petersen, Halden, Norway
https://vkp4.wordpress.com/



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Den 22.04.2026 04:28, skrev dillinger:

On 21-04-2026 22:34, Petersen, Vegard Krog wrote:

Den 21.04.2026 22:20, skrev Petersen, Vegard Krog:

Den 21.04.2026 22:02, skrev Andy Burns:

knuttle wrote:

Does anyone know where the open tabs are located.-a In 149 as you open >>>>> tabs they appeared in the last line of the header.

In 150 they are no where to be found.

With v149 I switched to vertical tabs, just reverted to horizontal
and new tabs appear to the right of the current tab, just like they
have since forever ...

Hi. I've got the same trouble as knuttle. The upgrade to 150 "removed"
my tabs. I have never used vertical tabs. Horizontal tabs are
selected. It's just a gray line / field below my bookmarks.

As you see I have a userchrome.css file which has placed my tabs below
the bookmarks. Perhaps it is this one thats needs to be updated /
changed? I do not remember where I got it, sorry.

************************************************************************** >>>
/* TABS: on bottom */
#navigator-toolbox toolbar:not(#nav-bar):not(#toolbar-menubar)
{-moz-box-ordinal-group:10}
#TabsToolbar {-moz-box-ordinal-group:1000!important}

#TabsToolbar {
-a-aposition: absolute !important;
-a-abottom: 0 !important;
-a-awidth: 100vw !important;
}

#tabbrowser-tabs {
-a-a width: 100vw !important;
}
#main-window:not([chromehidden*="toolbar"]) #navigator-toolbox
{padding-bottom: var(--tab-min-height) !important;}

/* TABS: height */
:root {
-a-a--tab-toolbar-navbar-overlap: 0px !important;
-a-a--tab-min-height: 27px !important; /* adjust to suit your needs */
}
:root #tabbrowser-tabs {
-a-a--tab-min-height: 27px !important; /* needs to be the same as above >>> under :root */
-a-a--tab-min-width: 80px !important;
}

#TabsToolbar {
-a-aheight: var(--tab-min-height) !important;
-a-amargin-bottom: 1px !important;
-a-abox-shadow: ThreeDShadow 0 -1px inset, -moz-dialog 0 1px !important; >>> }

#tabbrowser-tabs,
#tabbrowser-tabs > .tabbrowser-arrowscrollbox,
.tabbrowser-tabs[positionpinnedtabs] > .tabbrowser-tab[pinned] {
-a-a min-height: var(--tab-min-height) !important;
-a-a max-height: var(--tab-min-height) !important;
}

/* drag space */
.titlebar-spacer[type="pre-tabs"],
.titlebar-spacer[type="post-tabs"] {
-a-a width: 40px;
}

/* Override vertical shifts when moving a tab */
#navigator-toolbox[movingtab] > #titlebar > #TabsToolbar {
-a-a padding-bottom: unset !important;
}
#navigator-toolbox[movingtab] #tabbrowser-tabs {
-a-a padding-bottom: unset !important;
-a-a margin-bottom: unset !important;
}
#navigator-toolbox[movingtab] > #nav-bar {
-a-a margin-top: unset !important;
}

/* Tighten up drop-down/context/popup menu spacing */
menupopup > menuitem, menupopup > menu { padding-block: 2px !important; } >>> :root { --arrowpanel-menuitem-padding: 4px 8px !important; }

**********************************************************************************

I double checked and made all extensions inactive. No change.

Just tried it, your userchrome.css indeed kills all tabs, a blank space appears where they probably should be, don't blame Firefox.

"My" userchrome.css was copied from someone else and worked through
version 149. I don't know anything about CSS. I never blamed Firefox; I
stated that the trouble probably was with this file.


Regards from Vegard

--
Vegard Krog Petersen, Halden, Norway
https://vkp4.wordpress.com/
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Den 22.04.2026 00:11, skrev VanguardLH:

"Petersen, Vegard Krog" <vegard_krog_petersen@hotmail.com> wrote:

Andy Burns:

knuttle wrote:

Does anyone know where the open tabs are located.-a In 149 as you open >>>> tabs they appeared in the last line of the header.

In 150 they are no where to be found.

With v149 I switched to vertical tabs, just reverted to horizontal and
new tabs appear to the right of the current tab, just like they have
since forever ...

Hi. I've got the same trouble as knuttle. The upgrade to 150 "removed"
my tabs. I have never used vertical tabs. Horizontal tabs are selected.
It's just a gray line / field below my bookmarks.

As you see I have a userchrome.css file which has placed my tabs below
the bookmarks. ...

I notice you putz with the tabs toolbar in your CSS. For example, to collapse the toolbar, you could use:

#TabsToolbar
{
visibility: collapse;
}

Try renaming your .css file or moving it out of your Firefox profile
folder to see if your manipulations on the tabs toolbar by CSS is
inflicting the problem. While users can modify the chrome using that
CSS file does not mandate Mozilla will continue to honor its directives,
or they remain compatible with later versions of Firefox.

The OP did not mention he is using the userchrome.css to modify the
chrome of Firefox. Possibly the OP viewing Firefox in fullscreen mode
by pressing F11.

Thank you Vanguard. Your #TabsToolbar did not work for me. But 'Nobody'
showed me a userchrome.css that worked for me.

Even better when I added the /* Tighten up drop-down/context/popup menu spacing */ from the old file - to reduce space between items in the
bookmarks drop-down.

Just for the record. I know almost nothing about CSS. :-) Every time
Firefox have borked tabs below I have I have always found the answer -
guidet to a file that works - in this newsgroup. The one I had have
worked for a long time.

I hope Firefox never makes it impossible to place the tabs below the bookmarks! :-)

Regards from Vegard

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knuttle wrote:

knuttle wrote:

Does anyone know where the open tabs are located.-a In 149 as you open
tabs they appeared in the last line of the header.

In 150 they are no where to be found.

After trying to get version 150 to run properly and failing, I
uninstalled it and returned to version 149.

I will install 150 when they get a work version released

I did the update and ran into the same problem. To correct it, I simply provided the contents of my userChrome.css file and asked Copilot to
correct it so that my tab bar showed again. It fixed it and things are
back to normal. Here's the new userChrome.css file that Copilot came up
with: __________________________________________________________________________
/* Tabs on Bottom rCo Updated for Firefox 150 */
/* Based on MrOtherGuy's tabs_on_bottom_v2.css (MPL 2.0) */

/* Window control buttons on left (if enabled) */
@media -moz-pref("userchrome.force-window-controls-on-left.enabled"){
#nav-bar > .titlebar-buttonbox-container{
order: -1 !important;
}
#nav-bar > .titlebar-buttonbox-container > .titlebar-buttonbox{
flex-direction: row-reverse !important;
}
}

/* Move TabsToolbar below navigation/bookmarks bars */
@media not -moz-pref("sidebar.verticalTabs"){
.global-notificationbox,
#tab-notification-deck,
#notifications-toolbar,
#TabsToolbar{
order: 1 !important;
}

/* Hide titlebar spacers inside TabsToolbar */
#TabsToolbar > :is(.titlebar-spacer, .titlebar-buttonbox-container){
display: none !important;
}

/* Ensure window controls appear in fullscreen */
:root[sizemode="fullscreen"] #nav-bar > .titlebar-buttonbox-container{
display: flex !important;
}

/* Fix menubar/nav-bar interactions */
:root[customtitlebar] #toolbar-menubar:is([autohide=""],[autohide="true"],[collapsed]) ~ #nav-bar{
> .titlebar-buttonbox-container{
display: flex !important;
}
:root[sizemode="normal"] & > .titlebar-spacer{
display: flex !important;
}
:root[sizemode="maximized"] & > .titlebar-spacer[type="post-tabs"]{
display: flex !important;
}
@media -moz-pref("userchrome.force-window-controls-on-left.enabled"),
(-moz-gtk-csd-reversed-placement),
(-moz-platform: macos){
:root[sizemode="maximized"] & > .titlebar-spacer[type="post-tabs"]{
display: none !important;
}
:root[sizemode="maximized"] & > .titlebar-spacer[type="pre-tabs"]{
display: flex !important;
}
}
}
}

/* ---------------- TAB SIZE & SPACING ---------------- */

:root {
--tab-toolbar-navbar-overlap: 0px !important;
--tab-min-height: 27px !important;
--tab-min-width: 80px !important;
--arrowpanel-menuitem-padding: 4px 8px !important;
}

#tabbrowser-tabs {
width: 100% !important;
min-height: var(--tab-min-height) !important;
max-height: var(--tab-min-height) !important;
}

/* Pinned tabs */
.tabbrowser-tabs[positionpinnedtabs] > .tabbrowser-tab[pinned] {
min-height: var(--tab-min-height) !important ____________________________________________________________________

I tried adding the following, which Vegard Peterson recommended to
tighten up the bookmarks dropdown:

/* Tighten up drop-down/context/popup menu spacing */
menupopup > menuitem, menupopup > menu { padding-block: 2px !important; }
:root { --arrowpanel-menuitem-padding: 4px 8px !important; }

...but unfortunately, it didn't do anything on my system.
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On 26/04/22 03:17 PM, John C. wrote:

knuttle wrote:

knuttle wrote:

Does anyone know where the open tabs are located.-a In 149 as you open
tabs they appeared in the last line of the header.

In 150 they are no where to be found.

After trying to get version 150 to run properly and failing, I
uninstalled it and returned to version 149.

I will install 150 when they get a work version released

I did the update and ran into the same problem. To correct it, I simply provided the contents of my userChrome.css file and asked Copilot to
correct it so that my tab bar showed again. It fixed it and things are
back to normal. Here's the new userChrome.css file that Copilot came up
with:

Scratch that. I made a mistake and left out a close bracket. Here is the corrected userchrome.css including Vegard's suggestion which now DOES work: ____________________________________________________________________________________
/* Tabs on Bottom rCo Updated for Firefox 150 */
/* Based on MrOtherGuy's tabs_on_bottom_v2.css (MPL 2.0) */

/* Window control buttons on left (if enabled) */
@media -moz-pref("userchrome.force-window-controls-on-left.enabled"){
#nav-bar > .titlebar-buttonbox-container{
order: -1 !important;
}
#nav-bar > .titlebar-buttonbox-container > .titlebar-buttonbox{
flex-direction: row-reverse !important;
}
}

/* Move TabsToolbar below navigation/bookmarks bars */
@media not -moz-pref("sidebar.verticalTabs"){
.global-notificationbox,
#tab-notification-deck,
#notifications-toolbar,
#TabsToolbar{
order: 1 !important;
}

/* Hide titlebar spacers inside TabsToolbar */
#TabsToolbar > :is(.titlebar-spacer, .titlebar-buttonbox-container){
display: none !important;
}

/* Ensure window controls appear in fullscreen */
:root[sizemode="fullscreen"] #nav-bar > .titlebar-buttonbox-container{
display: flex !important;
}

/* Fix menubar/nav-bar interactions */
:root[customtitlebar] #toolbar-menubar:is([autohide=""],[autohide="true"],[collapsed]) ~ #nav-bar{
> .titlebar-buttonbox-container{
display: flex !important;
}
:root[sizemode="normal"] & > .titlebar-spacer{
display: flex !important;
}
:root[sizemode="maximized"] & > .titlebar-spacer[type="post-tabs"]{
display: flex !important;
}
@media -moz-pref("userchrome.force-window-controls-on-left.enabled"),
(-moz-gtk-csd-reversed-placement),
(-moz-platform: macos){
:root[sizemode="maximized"] & > .titlebar-spacer[type="post-tabs"]{
display: none !important;
}
:root[sizemode="maximized"] & > .titlebar-spacer[type="pre-tabs"]{
display: flex !important;
}
}
}
}

/* ---------------- TAB SIZE & SPACING ---------------- */

:root {
--tab-toolbar-navbar-overlap: 0px !important;
--tab-min-height: 27px !important;
--tab-min-width: 80px !important;
--arrowpanel-menuitem-padding: 4px 8px !important;
}

#tabbrowser-tabs {
width: 100% !important;
min-height: var(--tab-min-height) !important;
max-height: var(--tab-min-height) !important;
}

/* Pinned tabs */
.tabbrowser-tabs[positionpinnedtabs] > .tabbrowser-tab[pinned] {
min-height: var(--tab-min-height) !important
}

/* Tighten up drop-down/context/popup menu spacing */
menupopup > menuitem, menupopup > menu { padding-block: 2px !important; }
:root { --arrowpanel-menuitem-padding: 4px 8px !important; }
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On 26/04/22 03:27 PM, John C. wrote:

On 26/04/22 03:17 PM, John C. wrote:

knuttle wrote:

knuttle wrote:

Does anyone know where the open tabs are located.-a In 149 as you open >>>> tabs they appeared in the last line of the header.

In 150 they are no where to be found.

After trying to get version 150 to run properly and failing, I
uninstalled it and returned to version 149.

I will install 150 when they get a work version released

I did the update and ran into the same problem. To correct it, I simply
provided the contents of my userChrome.css file and asked Copilot to
correct it so that my tab bar showed again. It fixed it and things are
back to normal. Here's the new userChrome.css file that Copilot came up
with:

Scratch that. I made a mistake and left out a close bracket. Here is the corrected userchrome.css including Vegard's suggestion which now DOES work: ____________________________________________________________________________________
/* Tabs on Bottom rCo Updated for Firefox 150 */
/* Based on MrOtherGuy's tabs_on_bottom_v2.css (MPL 2.0) */

/* Window control buttons on left (if enabled) */
@media -moz-pref("userchrome.force-window-controls-on-left.enabled"){
#nav-bar > .titlebar-buttonbox-container{
order: -1 !important;
}
#nav-bar > .titlebar-buttonbox-container > .titlebar-buttonbox{
flex-direction: row-reverse !important;
}
}

/* Move TabsToolbar below navigation/bookmarks bars */
@media not -moz-pref("sidebar.verticalTabs"){
.global-notificationbox,
#tab-notification-deck,
#notifications-toolbar,
#TabsToolbar{
order: 1 !important;
}

/* Hide titlebar spacers inside TabsToolbar */
#TabsToolbar > :is(.titlebar-spacer, .titlebar-buttonbox-container){
display: none !important;
}

/* Ensure window controls appear in fullscreen */
:root[sizemode="fullscreen"] #nav-bar > .titlebar-buttonbox-container{
display: flex !important;
}

/* Fix menubar/nav-bar interactions */
:root[customtitlebar] #toolbar-menubar:is([autohide=""],[autohide="true"],[collapsed]) ~ #nav-bar{
> .titlebar-buttonbox-container{
display: flex !important;
}
:root[sizemode="normal"] & > .titlebar-spacer{
display: flex !important;
}
:root[sizemode="maximized"] & > .titlebar-spacer[type="post-tabs"]{
display: flex !important;
}
@media -moz-pref("userchrome.force-window-controls-on-left.enabled"),
(-moz-gtk-csd-reversed-placement),
(-moz-platform: macos){
:root[sizemode="maximized"] & > .titlebar-spacer[type="post-tabs"]{
display: none !important;
}
:root[sizemode="maximized"] & > .titlebar-spacer[type="pre-tabs"]{
display: flex !important;
}
}
}
}

/* ---------------- TAB SIZE & SPACING ---------------- */

:root {
--tab-toolbar-navbar-overlap: 0px !important;
--tab-min-height: 27px !important;
--tab-min-width: 80px !important;
--arrowpanel-menuitem-padding: 4px 8px !important;
}

#tabbrowser-tabs {
width: 100% !important;
min-height: var(--tab-min-height) !important;
max-height: var(--tab-min-height) !important;
}

/* Pinned tabs */
.tabbrowser-tabs[positionpinnedtabs] > .tabbrowser-tab[pinned] {
min-height: var(--tab-min-height) !important
}

/* Tighten up drop-down/context/popup menu spacing */
menupopup > menuitem, menupopup > menu { padding-block: 2px !important; } :root { --arrowpanel-menuitem-padding: 4px 8px !important; }

DAMN it! Under the /* Pinned tabs */ at the bottom, add a semicolon
after the !important so that section now looks like:

/* Pinned tabs */
.tabbrowser-tabs[positionpinnedtabs] > .tabbrowser-tab[pinned] {
min-height: var(--tab-min-height) !important;
}

In other words, THIS is the correct, full version:

______________________________________________________________________
/* Tabs on Bottom rCo Updated for Firefox 150 */
/* Based on MrOtherGuy's tabs_on_bottom_v2.css (MPL 2.0) */

/* Window control buttons on left (if enabled) */
@media -moz-pref("userchrome.force-window-controls-on-left.enabled"){
#nav-bar > .titlebar-buttonbox-container{
order: -1 !important;
}
#nav-bar > .titlebar-buttonbox-container > .titlebar-buttonbox{
flex-direction: row-reverse !important;
}
}

/* Move TabsToolbar below navigation/bookmarks bars */
@media not -moz-pref("sidebar.verticalTabs"){
.global-notificationbox,
#tab-notification-deck,
#notifications-toolbar,
#TabsToolbar{
order: 1 !important;
}

/* Hide titlebar spacers inside TabsToolbar */
#TabsToolbar > :is(.titlebar-spacer, .titlebar-buttonbox-container){
display: none !important;
}

/* Ensure window controls appear in fullscreen */
:root[sizemode="fullscreen"] #nav-bar > .titlebar-buttonbox-container{
display: flex !important;
}

/* Fix menubar/nav-bar interactions */
:root[customtitlebar] #toolbar-menubar:is([autohide=""],[autohide="true"],[collapsed]) ~ #nav-bar{
> .titlebar-buttonbox-container{
display: flex !important;
}
:root[sizemode="normal"] & > .titlebar-spacer{
display: flex !important;
}
:root[sizemode="maximized"] & > .titlebar-spacer[type="post-tabs"]{
display: flex !important;
}
@media -moz-pref("userchrome.force-window-controls-on-left.enabled"),
(-moz-gtk-csd-reversed-placement),
(-moz-platform: macos){
:root[sizemode="maximized"] & > .titlebar-spacer[type="post-tabs"]{
display: none !important;
}
:root[sizemode="maximized"] & > .titlebar-spacer[type="pre-tabs"]{
display: flex !important;
}
}
}
}

/* ---------------- TAB SIZE & SPACING ---------------- */

:root {
--tab-toolbar-navbar-overlap: 0px !important;
--tab-min-height: 27px !important;
--tab-min-width: 80px !important;
--arrowpanel-menuitem-padding: 4px 8px !important;
}

#tabbrowser-tabs {
width: 100% !important;
min-height: var(--tab-min-height) !important;
max-height: var(--tab-min-height) !important;
}

/* Pinned tabs */
.tabbrowser-tabs[positionpinnedtabs] > .tabbrowser-tab[pinned] {
min-height: var(--tab-min-height) !important;
}

/* Tighten up drop-down/context/popup menu spacing */
menupopup > menuitem, menupopup > menu { padding-block: 2px !important; }
:root { --arrowpanel-menuitem-padding: 4px 8px !important; }
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In article <10savat$2dpoj$1@dont-email.me>,
"Petersen, Vegard Krog" <vegard_krog_petersen@hotmail.com> wrote:

I hope Firefox never makes it impossible to place the tabs below the bookmarks! :-)

And so say many of us!

Ugly abortion having Tabs on top. :-(

It should be made configurable from within Firefox itself.

D.

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Dnews wrote:

Petersen, Vegard Krog wrote:

I hope Firefox never makes it impossible to place the tabs below the
bookmarks! :-)

And so say many of us!

Ugly abortion having Tabs on top. :-(

It should be made configurable from within Firefox itself.

Remember it used to be configurable within settings, then Mozilla
removed the tabs on top/bottom setting, and since then it's been obvious
they don't pay any attention to people who tweak their CSS to move the
tabs ...

I'm not one of them, but I'm always surprised that those who do choose
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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Dnews wrote:

Petersen, Vegard Krog wrote:

I hope Firefox never makes it impossible to place the tabs below the
bookmarks! :-)

And so say many of us!

Ugly abortion having Tabs on top. :-(

It should be made configurable from within Firefox itself.

Remember it used to be configurable within settings, then Mozilla
removed the tabs on top/bottom setting, and since then it's been obvious they don't pay any attention to people who tweak their CSS to move the
tabs ...

I'm not one of them, but I'm always surprised that those who do choose
the tweaks seem to forget that whenever it breaks, that is the likely cause?

User employs userchrome.css to modify or move tabs. Encounters [new]
problem with tabs. Then user edits userchrome.css trying to "fix" the
new problem with tabs. Works, but user is still modifying the chrome
via CSS.

That's why I suggested getting userchrome.css completely out of the
scenario by renaming or moving it, so it no longer has any effect on
Firefox's chrome. Test what Mozilla supplied (return to base), not how
you modified it. I don't see Vegard or knuttle have hidden the
userchrome.css file from Firefox to test a base scenario to see that the product actually does. Instead they are testing on a modified product
hence compounding the effects. Vegard uses userchrome.css, but am still waiting to see if knuttle mentions he does, too.

<Aside>
knuttle did submit a reply to you (Andy), but I filter out Base64
encoded articles (Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64). This is a
text-only newsgroup, no binaries, so there is no need to encode its
messages. Base 64 encoding is not required to submit UTF-8 messages.
His opening post used:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

but his reply to Andy (and to himself) used:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

In both cases the User-Agent header said he used Thunderbird; however,
Mozilla castrated the UA header to remove info, like version. Tis
possible knuttle used different instances of Tbird, or something in
his Tbird config uses 7-bit in his starter posts but Base64 in his
replies.
</Aside>

While knuttle reports reverting back to version 149 returned the
expected tab behavior, unknown is if he was or is still using the same
Firefox profile, and if that profile has a userchrome.css file. I'd
still move or rename userchrome.css to see a base scenario of behavior
of just the product (Firefox) instead of how the product behaves after modification.
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VanguardLH wrote:

knuttle did submit a reply to you (Andy), but I filter out Base64
encoded articles

When sending, thunderbird gets easily 'tricked' into converting plain
text encoding to base64, thankfully when receiving it decodes and
displays without me even knowing ...

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In article <n4u4ucFtdfkU1@mid.individual.net>,
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Dnews wrote:

Petersen, Vegard Krog wrote:

I hope Firefox never makes it impossible to place the tabs below the
bookmarks! :-)

And so say many of us!

Ugly abortion having Tabs on top. :-(

It should be made configurable from within Firefox itself.

Remember it used to be configurable within settings, then Mozilla
removed the tabs on top/bottom setting, and since then it's been obvious they don't pay any attention to people who tweak their CSS to move the
tabs ...

I'm not one of them, but I'm always surprised that those who do choose
the tweaks seem to forget that whenever it breaks, that is the likely
cause?

Yup! I've been using Firefox since the very early days but...

It's been a very long time since Moz took any notice of us folks out here
using the Browser. :-(

If they'd put back the config to have tabs where We/I want them, be it top
or bottom, the CSS problem wouldn't exist.

Even after all these years, I still don't understand why they need to have
the Tabs above the tool bar.

D.

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Den 23.04.2026 11:56, skrev VanguardLH:

I don't see Vegard or knuttle have hidden the
userchrome.css file from Firefox to test a base scenario to see that the product actually does.

Of course I tested. No userchrome.css put the tabs above the boopkmarks.
As Firefox wants it. Not me :-)

Regards from Vegard
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"Petersen, Vegard Krog" <vegard_krog_petersen@hotmail.com> wrote:

VanguardLH:

I don't see Vegard or knuttle have hidden the
userchrome.css file from Firefox to test a base scenario to see that the
product actually does.

Of course I tested. No userchrome.css put the tabs above the boopkmarks.
As Firefox wants it. Not me :-)

You said "I've got the same trouble as knuttle". knuttle reported the *absence* of tabs, not where they were positioned in the chrome. Since
without userchrome.css, or even with it, you see tabs, so your tweaking
is a different issue than knuttle. In FF 150, do you see tabs, or not?
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Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Dnews wrote:

Petersen, Vegard Krog wrote:

I hope Firefox never makes it impossible to place the tabs below the
bookmarks! :-)

And so say many of us!

Ugly abortion having Tabs on top. :-(

It should be made configurable from within Firefox itself.

Remember it used to be configurable within settings, then Mozilla
removed the tabs on top/bottom setting, and since then it's been obvious
they don't pay any attention to people who tweak their CSS to move the
tabs ...

I'm not one of them, but I'm always surprised that those who do choose
the tweaks seem to forget that whenever it breaks, that is the likely
cause?

Yup! I've been using Firefox since the very early days but...

It's been a very long time since Moz took any notice of us folks out here using the Browser. :-(

I remember when using Firefox that I had disabled its telemetry. There
were times Mozilla would make a change that some of us didn't like, but
their excuse was the telemetry showed the vast majority of users were
not using a feature, so they removed it. Remember when it was a lot
easier to enable/disable Javascript without the use of an extension? It
was a setting. Then it changed to allow only progammatic configuration.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/technical-and-interaction-data

https://github.com/K3V1991/Disable-Firefox-Telemetry-and-Data-Collection

Disabling telemetry also means not just disabling diagnostic and usage
data to Mozilla, but also disabling sending crash reports to Mozilla.

Maybe enough users also disabled Firefox's telemetry, and other
tracking, so Mozilla cannot see how we're using Firefox. With the
spying, Mozilla can't see our trends. While most web browser users
don't do much tweaking, the Firefox user community seems more active in tweaking Firefox.

For those tweak-leaning users, my suggestion is to create a new Firefox
profile that doesn't get used for anything other than testing of *just* Firefox. A fresh or base profile eliminates add-ons, all user-mode
tweaks in the config screens, and all the about:config tweaks. Use the
profile manager to switch between your normal and base profiles. Then
you're testing how Firefox works, and not how you modified it.
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 17:31:05 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

"Petersen, Vegard Krog" <vegard_krog_petersen@hotmail.com> wrote:

VanguardLH:

I don't see Vegard or knuttle have hidden the
userchrome.css file from Firefox to test a base scenario to see that the >>> product actually does.

Of course I tested. No userchrome.css put the tabs above the boopkmarks.
As Firefox wants it. Not me :-)

You said "I've got the same trouble as knuttle". knuttle reported the >*absence* of tabs, not where they were positioned in the chrome. Since >without userchrome.css, or even with it, you see tabs, so your tweaking
is a different issue than knuttle. In FF 150, do you see tabs, or not? Coincidental?

My Ffox updated to 150.0 unhassled/normally with tabs still visible,
while engaging a userChrome file asking for 'tabs on bottom'.
Vegard Krog Peterson's existing .css entry apparently did not... but
was restored with the MrOtherGuy's GitHub code.
QUOTE
The upgrade to 150 "removed" my tabs.
UNQUOTE
If I remove my userChrome 'interference', Ffox 150.0 still displays
tabs, albeit not where I want them.
Ergo, one could speculate that Knuttle has an un-related problem...
and has expressed reluctance to pursue the issue.
Given lack of similar grumbles here and at Reddit r/Firefox, he might
be waiting a while.
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Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:

On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 17:31:05 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

"Petersen, Vegard Krog" <vegard_krog_petersen@hotmail.com> wrote:

VanguardLH:

I don't see Vegard or knuttle have hidden the
userchrome.css file from Firefox to test a base scenario to see that the >>>> product actually does.

Of course I tested. No userchrome.css put the tabs above the boopkmarks. >>> As Firefox wants it. Not me :-)

You said "I've got the same trouble as knuttle". knuttle reported the >>*absence* of tabs, not where they were positioned in the chrome. Since >>without userchrome.css, or even with it, you see tabs, so your tweaking
is a different issue than knuttle. In FF 150, do you see tabs, or not?

Coincidental?

My Ffox updated to 150.0 unhassled/normally with tabs still visible,
while engaging a userChrome file asking for 'tabs on bottom'.

Vegard Krog Peterson's existing .css entry apparently did not... but
was restored with the MrOtherGuy's GitHub code.

QUOTE

The upgrade to 150 "removed" my tabs.

UNQUOTE

If I remove my userChrome 'interference', Ffox 150.0 still displays
tabs, albeit not where I want them.

Ergo, one could speculate that Knuttle has an un-related problem...
and has expressed reluctance to pursue the issue.

Given lack of similar grumbles here and at Reddit r/Firefox, he might
be waiting a while.

I'm not interested in modifying Firefox using userchrome.css, but then
I'm not motivated to tweak it. However, since you do use
userchrome.css, and one version didn't work, and another did, do you
know what was different in MrOtherGuy's version that caused the fix?

I won't implement, but I and others might be curious as to the fix. I
know many parts of a car engine, but I'm not buying the requisite tools
to take one down to replace internal parts, like piston rings. But I'm
still curious to know.
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2026 01:51:46 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:

On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 17:31:05 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

"Petersen, Vegard Krog" <vegard_krog_petersen@hotmail.com> wrote:

VanguardLH:

I don't see Vegard or knuttle have hidden the
userchrome.css file from Firefox to test a base scenario to see that the >>>>> product actually does.

Of course I tested. No userchrome.css put the tabs above the boopkmarks. >>>> As Firefox wants it. Not me :-)

You said "I've got the same trouble as knuttle". knuttle reported the >>>*absence* of tabs, not where they were positioned in the chrome. Since >>>without userchrome.css, or even with it, you see tabs, so your tweaking >>>is a different issue than knuttle. In FF 150, do you see tabs, or not?

Coincidental?

My Ffox updated to 150.0 unhassled/normally with tabs still visible,
while engaging a userChrome file asking for 'tabs on bottom'.

Vegard Krog Peterson's existing .css entry apparently did not... but
was restored with the MrOtherGuy's GitHub code.

QUOTE

The upgrade to 150 "removed" my tabs.

UNQUOTE

If I remove my userChrome 'interference', Ffox 150.0 still displays
tabs, albeit not where I want them.

Ergo, one could speculate that Knuttle has an un-related problem...
and has expressed reluctance to pursue the issue.

Given lack of similar grumbles here and at Reddit r/Firefox, he might
be waiting a while.

I'm not interested in modifying Firefox using userchrome.css...

Thank you...

... do you know what was different in MrOtherGuy's version that caused
the fix?

No, as I don't have the knowledge/inclination to assemble it, relying
on the GitHub repository.
My 'success' was that having upgraded to 150.0 without losing Tabs On
Bottom and spotting Vegard's problem, I swapped out my code for his as
an experiment. His caused tabs to disappear.
Thus I was able to 'help' by suggesting MrOtherGuy's version, which
obviously performed to the satisfaction of both of us.
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Den 24.04.2026 00:31, skrev VanguardLH:

"Petersen, Vegard Krog" <vegard_krog_petersen@hotmail.com> wrote:

VanguardLH:

I don't see Vegard or knuttle have hidden the
userchrome.css file from Firefox to test a base scenario to see that the >>> product actually does.

Of course I tested. No userchrome.css put the tabs above the boopkmarks.
As Firefox wants it. Not me :-)

You said "I've got the same trouble as knuttle". knuttle reported the *absence* of tabs, not where they were positioned in the chrome. Since without userchrome.css, or even with it, you see tabs, so your tweaking
is a different issue than knuttle. In FF 150, do you see tabs, or not?

I see. Then I probably mistook and thought knuttle was having the same
problem as me. Since we both upgraded to Firefox 150. I have already
answered the other issues. "Roger Out" :-)

Regards from Vegard
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On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 20:39:48 +0100, Dnews wrote:

It should be made configurable from within Firefox itself.

Back in the day, Firefox had a UI theming engine built-in called
rCLChromerCY ...
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On 04/21/2026 3:51 PM, knuttle wrote:

Does anyone know where the open tabs are located.-a In 149 as you open
tabs they appeared in the last line of the header.

In 150 they are no where to be found.

I wish to thank all who responded to my request. I finally updated to Version 150 and changed the userChrome as instructed. I works and the
open tabs are where they are suppose to be.

Interestingly if you search you will find a fix on the Firefox page that
says it puts the tabs on the bottom for version 150, but it does not work.

Why do the Firefox programmers fight logic and their users on this issue
and keep changing it back.
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 16:01:04 -0400, knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On 04/21/2026 3:51 PM, knuttle wrote:

Does anyone know where the open tabs are located.-a In 149 as you open
tabs they appeared in the last line of the header.

In 150 they are no where to be found.

I wish to thank all who responded to my request. I finally updated to >Version 150 and changed the userChrome as instructed. I works and the
open tabs are where they are suppose to be.

So now (after all the palavra) you've admitted to fiddling via
userChrome dot css...
Previously:
QUOTE
Firefox 150 no themes and a couple of addons Windows 11 fully
updated,
i7 Ultra CPU and 16 GB of ram.
UNQUOTE

Interestingly if you search you will find a fix on the Firefox page that >says it puts the tabs on the bottom for version 150, but it does not work.

Why do the Firefox programmers fight logic and their users on this issue
and keep changing it back.

It takes yer userChrome to do it. Firefox has tabs natively above the
address bar... and has had for years.
f ram.
UNQUOTE
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In article <ueovuklnatfh9na2en9eek5u6jmmqkvs4u@4ax.com>,
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
[Snippy]

It takes yer userChrome to do it. Firefox has tabs natively above the address bar... and has had for years.

But it has been noted many, many times over the years... Many of us for a variety of reasons Don't want tabs on top.

And as has also been noted many times, "Wunce" upon a time, we had a
choice.

They made the wrong choice by making on Top disconnected Tabs the default.

Thus human ingenuity forced us to the userChrome solution.

D.

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Nobody wrote:

Firefox has tabs natively above the address bar... and has had for
years.

I've never understood why tabs on top is apparently an existential
threat to some users? I'm sure if they stopped trying to piss into the
wind the new normal would feel fine after a couple of days of living
with it ...
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On 04/28/2026 5:06 AM, Andy Burns wrote:

Nobody wrote:

Firefox has tabs natively above the address bar... and has had for
years.

I've never understood why tabs on top is apparently an existential
threat to some users?-a I'm sure if they stopped trying to piss into the wind the new normal would feel fine after a couple of days of living
with it ...

Tabs on top is not logical. As it separates the open window from its identification, the tab.

When you are working with tabs, it is more logical to have the tab ID
attached to the open window. It is like putting the id plate on you car
on the top of the car instead of on the side where it can be quickly
found. Putting the tabs above breaks that close association with open
window
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knuttle wrote:

Tabs on top is not logical.-a As it separates the open window from its identification, the tab.

Don't think of the tab as being separated from the page, think of the
tab as being joined to the page by the URL bar for that page?

When you are working with tabs, it is more logical to have the tab ID attached to the open window.

It's only moved by about 3/8"

It is like putting the id plate on you car on the top of the car
instead of on the side where it can be quickly found. Putting the
tabs above breaks that close association with open window

I don't have tabs anywhere near the top at all, but on the right hand
side (which fits the shape of 16:9 or wider screens).
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On 04/28/2026 7:42 AM, Andy Burns wrote:

knuttle wrote:

Tabs on top is not logical.-a As it separates the open window from its
identification, the tab.

Don't think of the tab as being separated from the page, think of the
tab as being joined to the page by the URL bar for that page?

When you are working with tabs, it is more logical to have the tab ID
attached to the open window.

It's only moved by about 3/8"

It is like putting the id plate on you car on the top of the car
instead of on the side where it can be quickly found.-a-a Putting the
tabs above breaks that close association with open window

I don't have tabs anywhere near the top at all, but on the right hand
side (which fits the shape of 16:9 or wider screens).

When you are working with a series of tabs, what is more important, the
URL or the identification of the window you are working with.

I very rarely open a URL from the Search area.

For me, I select a folder with URL's on the Bookmark Toolbar and press
the mouse scroll wheel to open all of the URL's in that folder.

Now the most important thing is using the Open URL tabs to work with the information in the Window id by that tab.

They are making a big deal about grouped tabs. My tabs have been
grouped in folders on the Bookmark Toolbar for well over a decade. If
I want the news URL's I open the folder on the Bookmark toolbar with
news URL's. I then look at the open tab tool bar and select the the
ABC, CBS, etc Open URL tab.

When I am done with the URL's they are closed and I open the Bookmark
Toolbar folder with the url's for the forums, and repeat the process.
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2026 10:06:51 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

Nobody wrote:

Firefox has tabs natively above the address bar... and has had for
years.

I've never understood why tabs on top is apparently an existential
threat to some users? I'm sure if they stopped trying to piss into the
wind the new normal would feel fine after a couple of days of living
with it ...

I like the tabs where they are. The address bar seems to be a subset of
that particular tab.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think
and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because
of, the lack of evidence." -- Richard Dawkins
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2026 10:06:51 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

Nobody wrote:

Firefox has tabs natively above the address bar... and has had for
years.

I've never understood why tabs on top is apparently an existential
threat to some users?

As you'll have noted, I prefer Tabs On My Bottom... though I don't
consider their positioning to be a threat wherever. I have my
Bookmarks prompt as the far left 'tab' so to speak.
It's a visual preference dating from w-a-y back. Certainly I wouldn't
venture to the stage of obscene ranting on the other thread about 150
updating.

I'm sure if they stopped trying to piss into the wind the new normal
would feel fine after a couple of days of living with it...

Dang! And I thought I was drooling.
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