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Windows 7
Firefox 115.33.0 esr

One Web site that I frequently visit suppresses both Firefox's vertical
and horizontal scroll bars. Is there a setting or preference variable
to prevent this?
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nation surrenders unconditionally. I thought the U.S.
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"David E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

Windows 7
Firefox 115.33.0 esr

One Web site that I frequently visit suppresses both Firefox's vertical
and horizontal scroll bars. Is there a setting or preference variable
to prevent this?

Firefox allows a site to define its scrollbars. That is, you see the scrollbars a website specifies, if it does (rather than use the web
client's defaults). The result is some websites have very hard to see scrollbars (very skinny, or only appear when the mouse pointer's
position is detected in specific regions of the web doc). They can even
use poorly designed scrollbar colors that make then hard to see, or even [nearly] invisible.

In Firefox, you could try going to Menu > Tools > Settings, and toggle
the "Always show scrollbars" setting (if it still exists).

If you don't want Firefox to allow websites to define the scrollbars,
force Firefox to always use its own scrollbars. Alas, I don't have
Firefox on the current desktop, so you'll have to look in about:config
to search on ".scrollbar" to see what settings Mozilla afforded to you.
For the other settings to get effected, you may have to first change the widget.non-native-theme.enabled setting, like the scrollbar settings are
under widget.non-native-theme.* group. Assuming they are still
available, you might try the following:

widget.non-native-theme.enabled True widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.size.override 10 widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.style 4

In Firefox, there used to be a setting at Settings -> General ->
Browsing -> Always show scrollbars. Mozilla had given and taken many
settings, so I don't know what it has now.

Because websites are overlaying their scrollbar elements atop the
default ones in the web client, maybe all you have to change is:

widget.windows.overlay-scrollbars.enabled False

Presumably that means Firefox will ignore any custom scrollbars a
website wants to use.
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On Sun, 22 Mar 2026 12:53:48 -0700, "David E. Ross"
<nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

Windows 7
Firefox 115.33.0 esr

One Web site that I frequently visit suppresses both Firefox's vertical
and horizontal scroll bars. Is there a setting or preference variable
to prevent this?

I use "Winaero Tweaker"... and set "Advanced Appearance Settings" > "Scrollbars" for width as "16".
Winaero Tweaker is available for Win 7
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Nobody wrote:

Winaero Tweaker is available for Win 7

But FF draws its own scrollbars, so I doubt it would have any effect ...

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On Mon, 23 Mar 2026 06:51:00 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

Nobody wrote:

Winaero Tweaker is available for Win 7

But FF draws its own scrollbars, so I doubt it would have any effect ... Weeell, I've long used Winaero Tweaker... and these show what happens

with Ffox 148.0.2 on Win 11. The first example is with the value
(presumed pixels?) hiked to 58:
<https://postimg.cc/w1v8PW2z>
The second is my normal 16:
<https://postimg.cc/NKMqVNDc>
<https://postimg.cc/gallery/qJ8GD1h>
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On 3/22/2026 12:53 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

Windows 7
Firefox 115.33.0 esr

One Web site that I frequently visit suppresses both Firefox's vertical
and horizontal scroll bars. Is there a setting or preference variable
to prevent this?

The PrefBar extension for SeaMonkey had a button to restore scroll bars
and also the menu bar. This does not work in Firefox.
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<http://www.rossde.com>

Trump wants to continue his war against Iran until that
nation surrenders unconditionally. I thought the U.S.
learned a hard lesson in Vietnam and Afghanistan.
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VanguardLH wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

Windows 7
Firefox 115.33.0 esr

One Web site that I frequently visit suppresses both Firefox's vertical
and horizontal scroll bars. Is there a setting or preference variable
to prevent this?

Firefox allows a site to define its scrollbars. That is, you see the scrollbars a website specifies, if it does (rather than use the web
client's defaults). The result is some websites have very hard to see scrollbars (very skinny, or only appear when the mouse pointer's
position is detected in specific regions of the web doc). They can even
use poorly designed scrollbar colors that make then hard to see, or even [nearly] invisible.

In Firefox, you could try going to Menu > Tools > Settings, and toggle
the "Always show scrollbars" setting (if it still exists).

I can't find that setting in FF ver. 148.0.2 (64-bit) on W10 Pro.

If you don't want Firefox to allow websites to define the scrollbars,
force Firefox to always use its own scrollbars. (snip)

I got tired of scroll bars and their sliders on some websites being so
skinny that they were difficult to use with my mouse. So I had an AI
come up with a bookmarklet that can almost always revert them to a more standardized width. I named the bookmarklet simply "SB" for Scroll Bar.
I put it on my Bookmarks Toolbar for easy access.

The code for that bookmarklet (which, of course, you can name anything
you like) is:

javascript:(function(){ const css = ` /* Force scrollbar width */
* { scrollbar-width: auto !important; } /*
Firefox-specific scrollbar styling */ *::-webkit-scrollbar {
width: 24px !important; height: 24px !important; } *::-webkit-scrollbar-thumb { background: #888%20!important;%20%20%20%20%20%20%20border-radius:%206px%20!important;%20%20%20%20%20%20%20border:%204px%20solid%20transparent%20!important;%20%20%20%20%20%20%20background-clip:%20content-box%20!important;%20%20%20%20%20}%20%20%20%20%20%20*::-webkit-scrollbar-thumb:hover%20{%20%20%20%20%20%20%20background:%20#666%20!important;%20%20%20%20%20}%20%20%20%20%20%20*::-webkit-scrollbar-track%20{%20%20%20%20%20%20%20background:%20#ddd%20!important;%20%20%20%20%20}%20%20%20%20%20%20/*%20Scrollbar%20buttons%20(if%20the%20site%20allows%20them%20to%20exist)%20*/%20%20%20%20%20*::-webkit-scrollbar-button%20{%20%20%20%20%20%20%20height:%2024px%20!important;%20%20%20%20%20%20%20width:%2024px%20!important;%20%20%20%20%20%20%20background:%20#bbb%20!important;%20%20%20%20%20}%20%20%20`;%20%20%20%20const%20style%20=%20document.createElement('style');%20%20%20style.textContent%20=%20css;%20%20%20document.documentElement.appendChild(style);%20})();
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John C. wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

Windows 7
Firefox 115.33.0 esr

One Web site that I frequently visit suppresses both Firefox's vertical
and horizontal scroll bars. Is there a setting or preference variable
to prevent this?

[..snip..]

In Firefox, you could try going to Menu > Tools > Settings, and toggle
the "Always show scrollbars" setting (if it still exists).

I can't find that setting in FF ver. 148.0.2 (64-bit) on W10 Pro.

149.0b10 (64-bit) on Linux:
Menu > Settings > General > Browsing (next-to-last chapter)
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2026 05:41:22 -0700, John C. wrote:

[snip]

In Firefox, you could try going to Menu > Tools > Settings, and toggle
the "Always show scrollbars" setting (if it still exists).

I can't find that setting in FF ver. 148.0.2 (64-bit) on W10 Pro.

I found it easily on Linux, but not on Windows (all latest FF).

[snip]
--
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http://notstupid.us/

"You can't kill the truth...Actually you can kill the truth, but it
always comes back to haunt you" Sheridan, Babylon 5. Contributed by
Larry Reyka.
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Frank Miller wrote:

John C. wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

Windows 7
Firefox 115.33.0 esr

One Web site that I frequently visit suppresses both Firefox's vertical >>>> and horizontal scroll bars. Is there a setting or preference variable >>>> to prevent this?

[..snip..]

In Firefox, you could try going to Menu > Tools > Settings, and toggle
the "Always show scrollbars" setting (if it still exists).

I can't find that setting in FF ver. 148.0.2 (64-bit) on W10 Pro.

149.0b10 (64-bit) on Linux:
Menu > Settings > General > Browsing (next-to-last chapter)

What I have is (copied and pasted here):

Browsing
Use autoscrolling
Use smooth scrolling
Show a touch keyboard when necessary
Always use the cursor keys to navigate within pages
Always underline links
Search for text when you start typing
Enable Picture-in-Picture video controls Learn more
Keep playing videos in Picture-in-Picture when switching tabs
Control media via keyboard, headset, or virtual interface Learn more
Recommend extensions as you browse Learn more
Recommend features as you browse Learn more
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In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sun, 22 Mar 2026 12:53:48 -0700, "David
E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

Windows 7
Firefox 115.33.0 esr

One Web site that I frequently visit suppresses both Firefox's vertical
and horizontal scroll bars. Is there a setting or preference variable
to prevent this?

John, I like your bookmarklet, but do you, or does anyone, have a way to
make the buttons at the end of scrollbars always show, even when the
cursor is in the middle of the page?
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On 26/03/26 01:03 PM, micky wrote:

In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sun, 22 Mar 2026 12:53:48 -0700, "David
E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

Windows 7
Firefox 115.33.0 esr

One Web site that I frequently visit suppresses both Firefox's vertical
and horizontal scroll bars. Is there a setting or preference variable
to prevent this?

John, I like your bookmarklet, but do you, or does anyone, have a way to
make the buttons at the end of scrollbars always show, even when the
cursor is in the middle of the page?

I'm sorry, I don't know how to do that. However, I did find a better way
to (in almost all cases) make the scrollbars avoid being "skinnified".
This method avoids having to click on the bookmarklet to normalize the
scroll bars: ____________________________________________________________________________

Prevent websites from making scrollbars skinny

It is a common frustration when modern web design often prioritizes a "minimalist" look over usability, resulting in those tiny, hard-to-click scrollbars.
You can override these styles using the About:Config editor. This
allows you to force the browser to ignore "thin" scrollbar requests from websites and even set a custom width.

Method 1: Disable "Thin" Scrollbars - This is the most direct way to
stop websites from shrinking the scrollbar using the scrollbar-width:
thin CSS property.
1. In your Firefox address bar, type about:config and press Enter.
2. Click Accept the Risk and Continue.
3. In the search box at the top, paste: layout.css.scrollbar-width-thin.disabled
4. Double-click the result (or click the toggle button) to set it to true.
5. Refresh your open tabs to see the change.

Method 2: Force a Custom Thickness - If you want the scrollbars to be
even chunkier than the default "Auto" size, you can manually override
the pixel width.
1. Still in about:config, search for: widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.size.override
2. Click the Pencil icon to edit the value.
3. Change it from 0 to your preferred width in pixels (e.g., 20 or 24
for a very thick, easy-to-hit bar).
4. Press Enter or click the checkmark.
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On 3/27/2026 3:10 AM, John C. wrote:

On 26/03/26 01:03 PM, micky wrote:

In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sun, 22 Mar 2026 12:53:48 -0700, "David
E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

Windows 7
Firefox 115.33.0 esr

One Web site that I frequently visit suppresses both Firefox's vertical
and horizontal scroll bars. Is there a setting or preference variable
to prevent this?

John, I like your bookmarklet, but do you, or does anyone, have a way to
make the buttons at the end of scrollbars always show, even when the
cursor is in the middle of the page?

I'm sorry, I don't know how to do that. However, I did find a better way
to (in almost all cases) make the scrollbars avoid being "skinnified".
This method avoids having to click on the bookmarklet to normalize the
scroll bars: ____________________________________________________________________________

Prevent websites from making scrollbars skinny

It is a common frustration when modern web design often prioritizes a "minimalist" look over usability, resulting in those tiny, hard-to-click scrollbars.
You can override these styles using the About:Config editor. This
allows you to force the browser to ignore "thin" scrollbar requests from websites and even set a custom width.

Method 1: Disable "Thin" Scrollbars - This is the most direct way to
stop websites from shrinking the scrollbar using the scrollbar-width:
thin CSS property.
1. In your Firefox address bar, type about:config and press Enter.
2. Click Accept the Risk and Continue.
3. In the search box at the top, paste: layout.css.scrollbar-width-thin.disabled
4. Double-click the result (or click the toggle button) to set it to true.
5. Refresh your open tabs to see the change.

Method 2: Force a Custom Thickness - If you want the scrollbars to be
even chunkier than the default "Auto" size, you can manually override
the pixel width.
1. Still in about:config, search for: widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.size.override
2. Click the Pencil icon to edit the value.
3. Change it from 0 to your preferred width in pixels (e.g., 20 or 24
for a very thick, easy-to-hit bar).
4. Press Enter or click the checkmark.

I tried your #1. It did not help. I think the Web page completely
disabled scroll bars. Furthermore, the positioning arrows on my
keyboard are non-working on this page. I can vertically scroll only by dragging my cursor. I cannot scroll horizontally although the page has
content beyond the right edge of the window.
--

David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com>

Trump wants to continue his war against Iran until that
nation surrenders unconditionally. I thought the U.S.
learned a hard lesson in Vietnam and Afghanistan.
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In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 08:30:55 -0700, "David
E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

On 3/27/2026 3:10 AM, John C. wrote:

On 26/03/26 01:03 PM, micky wrote:

In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sun, 22 Mar 2026 12:53:48 -0700, "David >>> E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

Windows 7
Firefox 115.33.0 esr

One Web site that I frequently visit suppresses both Firefox's vertical >>>> and horizontal scroll bars. Is there a setting or preference variable >>>> to prevent this?

John, I like your bookmarklet, but do you, or does anyone, have a way to >>> make the buttons at the end of scrollbars always show, even when the
cursor is in the middle of the page?

I'm sorry, I don't know how to do that. However, I did find a better way
to (in almost all cases) make the scrollbars avoid being "skinnified".
This method avoids having to click on the bookmarklet to normalize the
scroll bars:
____________________________________________________________________________ >>
Prevent websites from making scrollbars skinny

It is a common frustration when modern web design often prioritizes a
"minimalist" look over usability, resulting in those tiny, hard-to-click
scrollbars.
You can override these styles using the About:Config editor. This
allows you to force the browser to ignore "thin" scrollbar requests from
websites and even set a custom width.

Method 1: Disable "Thin" Scrollbars - This is the most direct way to
stop websites from shrinking the scrollbar using the scrollbar-width:
thin CSS property.
1. In your Firefox address bar, type about:config and press Enter.
2. Click Accept the Risk and Continue.
3. In the search box at the top, paste:
layout.css.scrollbar-width-thin.disabled
4. Double-click the result (or click the toggle button) to set it to true. >> 5. Refresh your open tabs to see the change.

Method 2: Force a Custom Thickness - If you want the scrollbars to be
even chunkier than the default "Auto" size, you can manually override
the pixel width.
1. Still in about:config, search for:
widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.size.override
2. Click the Pencil icon to edit the value.
3. Change it from 0 to your preferred width in pixels (e.g., 20 or 24
for a very thick, easy-to-hit bar).
4. Press Enter or click the checkmark.

I tried your #1. It did not help. I think the Web page completely
disabled scroll bars. Furthermore, the positioning arrows on my
keyboard are non-working on this page. I can vertically scroll only by >dragging my cursor. I cannot scroll horizontally although the page has >content beyond the right edge of the window.

For this and other reasons, I think the golden age of computers is gone.
The golden age of TV lasted much longer.
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On Fri, 27 Mar 2026 08:30:55 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:

I think the Web page completely disabled scroll bars. Furthermore,
the positioning arrows on my keyboard are non-working on this page.
I can vertically scroll only by dragging my cursor. I cannot scroll horizontally although the page has content beyond the right edge of
the window.

Does the cursor wheel work?

Also try shift-cursor-wheel for horizontal scrolling.
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On 4/3/2026 10:38 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Fri, 27 Mar 2026 08:30:55 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:

I think the Web page completely disabled scroll bars. Furthermore,
the positioning arrows on my keyboard are non-working on this page.
I can vertically scroll only by dragging my cursor. I cannot scroll
horizontally although the page has content beyond the right edge of
the window.

Does the cursor wheel work?

Also try shift-cursor-wheel for horizontal scrolling.

Yes, I can scroll vertically via my mouse wheel. However, I cannot
scroll horizontally with it; shift-wheel does nothing.
--
David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com>
Trump wants to continue his war against Iran until that
nation surrenders unconditionally. I thought the U.S.
learned a hard lesson in Vietnam and Afghanistan.
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