• Re: OT: education

    From ....winston@winstonmvp@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Mon Sep 7 14:55:00 2026
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    On 09/07/2026 12:30 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2026-09-07 16:22, T wrote:
    On 9/7/26 5:02 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2026-09-07 09:26, T wrote:
    On 9/6/26 12:40 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    Not around here. It is against the law.

    Do you know your administrator to teacher ratio?


    Not related to the paragraph I commented on and which you deleted:


    Also not why I was asking.-a America is not at the bottom of
    education since our Education Department was created.
    Our administrator to teacher ratios is wildly out of
    control.-a-a Since your system is better and probably much
    better than ours, I was curious if you know the ratio
    in your country.

    No, I don't.

    On public schools (ie, those owned by the administration) one teacher is selected as director, and there may be administrative staff. Private
    schools try to minimize all staff.

    Then there is of course the ministry and the regional administration.




    Private school turn away folks with education degrees and
    use on the job training in place of it.

    Not around here. It is against the law.
    Has it helped or hurt?-a In America it has hurt.
    Our Education Degree are garbage, which is why
    our private schools tend to avoid them.-a Maybe
    yours are better?-a Or are the political payoff
    made work jobs like over here?

    Neither hurt nor helped, AFAIK. Generally seen as progress.

    To teach in primary school you need to pass through the teacher school, whatever is the name. And to teach on the upper levels you need the
    degree on the subject, plus two years of training to be a teacher. Prior
    it was an exam, now it is a two year course that I think includes
    practising with close supervision. Same requisites on private schools.


    In the US. the teacher to administrator level in the U.S. is 49:1
    i.e. 'T' could be drinking the MAGA/Professional Wrestling/Education Secretary McHahon koolaid lies(not much different than McHahon lying to
    the Connnecticut Board of Education that she had a degree in Education,
    when her BA was in French)

    Noted, administrator roles have grown in the past two decades(the denominator(number of students) is 10% smaller - steadily falling U.S.
    birth rate and increase in enrollment in private and charter schools.
    - which also indicates that the U.S. will never have sufficient
    enrollment in any area(public, private, charter) to meet the need of increasing demand of technical and skilled labor without an infusion of foreign talent and/or immigration.

    i.e. administration to teacher ratio is a naive, smoke-screen comment
    masking much more important issues!
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Mon Sep 7 21:41:52 2026
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    On 2026-09-07 20:55, ....winston wrote:
    On 09/07/2026 12:30 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2026-09-07 16:22, T wrote:
    On 9/7/26 5:02 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2026-09-07 09:26, T wrote:
    On 9/6/26 12:40 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    Not around here. It is against the law.

    Do you know your administrator to teacher ratio?


    Not related to the paragraph I commented on and which you deleted:


    Also not why I was asking.-a America is not at the bottom of
    education since our Education Department was created.
    Our administrator to teacher ratios is wildly out of
    control.-a-a Since your system is better and probably much
    better than ours, I was curious if you know the ratio
    in your country.

    No, I don't.

    On public schools (ie, those owned by the administration) one teacher
    is selected as director, and there may be administrative staff.
    Private schools try to minimize all staff.

    Then there is of course the ministry and the regional administration.




    Private school turn away folks with education degrees and
    use on the job training in place of it.

    Not around here. It is against the law.
    Has it helped or hurt?-a In America it has hurt.
    Our Education Degree are garbage, which is why
    our private schools tend to avoid them.-a Maybe
    yours are better?-a Or are the political payoff
    made work jobs like over here?

    Neither hurt nor helped, AFAIK. Generally seen as progress.

    To teach in primary school you need to pass through the teacher
    school, whatever is the name. And to teach on the upper levels you
    need the degree on the subject, plus two years of training to be a
    teacher. Prior it was an exam, now it is a two year course that I
    think includes practising with close supervision. Same requisites on
    private schools.


    In the US. the teacher to administrator level in the U.S. is 49:1
    -ai.e. 'T' could be drinking the MAGA/Professional Wrestling/Education Secretary McHahon koolaid lies(not much different than McHahon lying to
    the Connnecticut Board of Education that she had a degree in Education,
    when her BA was in French)

    Noted, administrator roles have grown in the past two decades(the denominator(number of students) is 10% smaller - steadily falling U.S.
    birth rate and increase in enrollment in private and charter schools.
    -a- which also indicates that the U.S. will never have sufficient enrollment in any area(public, private, charter) to meet the need of increasing demand of technical and skilled labor without an infusion of foreign talent and/or immigration.

    i.e. administration to teacher ratio is a naive, smoke-screen comment masking much more important issues!

    Here, that ratio is simply a question that I have not heard asked, so I
    asked chatgpt; I have no idea where else to search for that data. Take
    with a pinch of salt.

    Q: Do you know what would be the teacher to administrator ratio in the
    Spanish school system?

    A: Yes rCo but thererCOs an important distinction between teachers vs. all administrative/non-teaching staff and teachers vs. school management.

    For Spain's non-university school system, the Ministry reports about
    793,215 teachers in 2024rCo25: 576,786 in public schools and 216,429 in private schools.

    For the specific teacher-to-administrative-staff question, OECD data are useful. Their definition of administrative staff includes receptionists, secretaries and administrative assistants, while management staff
    includes principals/directors and their deputies.

    The OECD's comparable data for lower-secondary schools (ISCED 2) put
    Spain at roughly 0.7 administrative/management staff per 10 teachers
    around 2018 rCo in other words, approximately:

    1 administrative/management person for every 14rCo15 teachers.

    That's considerably lower than the OECD average, which was around 1.5
    per 10 teachers in that dataset.

    So, very roughly:

    Spain

    Teachers ruerueruerueruerueruerueruerueruerueruerueruerueruerueruerueruerueruerueruerueruerueruerue 100
    Admin + management ruerue ~7

    Or, expressed as a ratio:

    ~14 teachers : 1 admin/management staff member

    But I'd be cautious about treating that as the Spanish-school-system
    ratio, because it varies enormously depending on what you count. A
    school has teachers, directors, secretaries, administrative staff, counsellors, special-education personnel, cleaners, maintenance, etc.,
    and Spanish statistics don't necessarily put all of those in one "administration" category.

    If what you're trying to establish is something like "how many people in Spanish education are actually teaching children versus doing administration?", I can dig into the Ministry's latest 2024rCo25 data and calculate a much more meaningful teacher : non-teaching employee ratio, including (or excluding) principals, counsellors, support staff,
    cleaners, etc.
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Mon Sep 7 20:18:34 2026
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    On Mon, 7 Sep 2026 00:26:57 -0700, T wrote:

    On 9/6/26 12:40 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    Not around here. It is against the law.

    Do you know your administrator to teacher ratio?

    I don't know the ratio but I have observed an interesting phenomenon.
    There often are one or more mill levy proposals on the ballot for parks & recreation, the fire department, the library, and schools. Most pass by a
    wide margin except schools. The schools can try again in six months and
    do.

    The school proposals are funding everything but teachers and the people
    aren't buying it.
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  • From T@T@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Mon Sep 7 15:11:07 2026
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    On 9/7/26 12:41 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2026-09-07 20:55, ....winston wrote:
    On 09/07/2026 12:30 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2026-09-07 16:22, T wrote:
    On 9/7/26 5:02 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2026-09-07 09:26, T wrote:
    On 9/6/26 12:40 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    Not around here. It is against the law.

    Do you know your administrator to teacher ratio?


    Not related to the paragraph I commented on and which you deleted:


    Also not why I was asking.-a America is not at the bottom of
    education since our Education Department was created.
    Our administrator to teacher ratios is wildly out of
    control.-a-a Since your system is better and probably much
    better than ours, I was curious if you know the ratio
    in your country.

    No, I don't.

    On public schools (ie, those owned by the administration) one teacher
    is selected as director, and there may be administrative staff.
    Private schools try to minimize all staff.

    Then there is of course the ministry and the regional administration.




    Private school turn away folks with education degrees and
    use on the job training in place of it.

    Not around here. It is against the law.
    Has it helped or hurt?-a In America it has hurt.
    Our Education Degree are garbage, which is why
    our private schools tend to avoid them.-a Maybe
    yours are better?-a Or are the political payoff
    made work jobs like over here?

    Neither hurt nor helped, AFAIK. Generally seen as progress.

    To teach in primary school you need to pass through the teacher
    school, whatever is the name. And to teach on the upper levels you
    need the degree on the subject, plus two years of training to be a
    teacher. Prior it was an exam, now it is a two year course that I
    think includes practising with close supervision. Same requisites on
    private schools.


    In the US. the teacher to administrator level in the U.S. is 49:1
    -a-ai.e. 'T' could be drinking the MAGA/Professional Wrestling/Education
    Secretary McHahon koolaid lies(not much different than McHahon lying
    to the Connnecticut Board of Education that she had a degree in
    Education, when her BA was in French)

    Noted, administrator roles have grown in the past two decades(the
    denominator(number of students) is 10% smaller - steadily falling U.S.
    birth rate and increase in enrollment in private and charter schools.
    -a-a- which also indicates that the U.S. will never have sufficient
    enrollment in any area(public, private, charter) to meet the need of
    increasing demand of technical and skilled labor without an infusion
    of foreign talent and/or immigration.

    i.e. administration to teacher ratio is a naive, smoke-screen comment
    masking much more important issues!

    Here, that ratio is simply a question that I have not heard asked, so I asked chatgpt; I have no idea where else to search for that data. Take
    with a pinch of salt.

    Q: Do you know what would be the teacher to administrator ratio in the Spanish school system?

    A: Yes rCo but thererCOs an important distinction between teachers vs. all administrative/non-teaching staff and teachers vs. school management.

    For Spain's non-university school system, the Ministry reports about
    793,215 teachers in 2024rCo25: 576,786 in public schools and 216,429 in private schools.

    For the specific teacher-to-administrative-staff question, OECD data are useful. Their definition of administrative staff includes receptionists, secretaries and administrative assistants, while management staff
    includes principals/directors and their deputies.

    The OECD's comparable data for lower-secondary schools (ISCED 2) put
    Spain at roughly 0.7 administrative/management staff per 10 teachers
    around 2018 rCo in other words, approximately:

    1 administrative/management person for every 14rCo15 teachers.

    That's considerably lower than the OECD average, which was around 1.5
    per 10 teachers in that dataset.

    So, very roughly:

    Spain

    Teachers-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a ruerueruerueruerueruerueruerueruerueruerueruerueruerueruerueruerueruerueruerueruerueruerue-a 100
    Admin + management-a-a ruerue-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a ~7

    Or, expressed as a ratio:

    ~14 teachers : 1 admin/management staff member

    But I'd be cautious about treating that as the Spanish-school-system
    ratio, because it varies enormously depending on what you count. A
    school has teachers, directors, secretaries, administrative staff, counsellors, special-education personnel, cleaners, maintenance, etc.,
    and Spanish statistics don't necessarily put all of those in one "administration" category.

    If what you're trying to establish is something like "how many people in Spanish education are actually teaching children versus doing administration?", I can dig into the Ministry's latest 2024rCo25 data and calculate a much more meaningful teacher : non-teaching employee ratio, including (or excluding) principals, counsellors, support staff,
    cleaners, etc.


    No wonder you are kicking out asses in education!

    Thank you for looking this us an sharing it.

    My mother in law taught 2nd grade. She used Phonics. Her students
    were three years ahead in reading than the other 2nd grade class
    that taught look see. When the administrators show up, she
    had flip over charts to make it look like she was teaching looked
    like look see.

    Several families that had their children go through both
    2nd grade classes came to the skool and BEGGED the principle
    to transfer their other kids to her class. The principle,
    bless him, fully supported her and ran interference for
    her with the "Curriculum Consultants" that had to constantly
    change things so they could keep theirs cushy jobs.

    Oh and Phonics has been used for centuries to successfully
    teach English, but noooooooo...

    After reading your English as a second language, I would posit you
    are better at it than most of our publik skool students. I
    had to admit, better than me.


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  • From T@T@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Mon Sep 7 17:13:59 2026
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    On 9/7/26 1:18 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Sep 2026 00:26:57 -0700, T wrote:

    On 9/6/26 12:40 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    Not around here. It is against the law.

    Do you know your administrator to teacher ratio?

    I don't know the ratio but I have observed an interesting phenomenon.
    There often are one or more mill levy proposals on the ballot for parks & recreation, the fire department, the library, and schools. Most pass by a wide margin except schools. The schools can try again in six months and
    do.

    The school proposals are funding everything but teachers and the people aren't buying it.


    I would posit that the reason is the we all are aware that
    the more money we throw at publik skools the worse the
    outcome gets. It is a corruption gravy train.

    And then we find out that Utah spends the least and has
    the best outcome and more one will increase publik
    skool funding voluntarily.
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Tue Sep 8 10:17:50 2026
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    On 2026-09-08 00:11, T wrote:
    On 9/7/26 12:41 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2026-09-07 20:55, ....winston wrote:
    On 09/07/2026 12:30 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2026-09-07 16:22, T wrote:

    ...


    No wonder you are kicking out asses in education!

    Thank you for looking this us an sharing it.

    My mother in law taught 2nd grade.-a She used Phonics.-a Her students
    were three years ahead in reading than the other 2nd grade class
    that taught look see.-a When the administrators show up, she
    had flip over charts to make it look like she was teaching looked
    like look see.

    Several families that had their children go through both
    2nd grade classes came to the skool and BEGGED the principle
    to transfer their other kids to her class.-a The principle,
    bless him, fully supported her and ran interference for
    her with the "Curriculum Consultants" that had to constantly
    change things so they could keep theirs cushy jobs.

    Oh and Phonics has been used for centuries to successfully
    teach English, but noooooooo...

    My mother taught kids of 4 and 5 years old to read (maybe writing, I
    don't remember, but I guess that not all kids managed writing). She used
    a different method of her own, taking things from new methodologies (Montesori?) and traditional methods. Her success in getting most kids
    to read was known, parents in the neighbourhood choose her.

    Nobody in the administration challenged her, but they neither told other teachers to imitate my mother. Her method was a lot of work.


    After reading your English as a second language, I would posit you
    are better at it than most of our publik skool students.-a I
    had to admit, better than me.

    Thanks. I don't know if other people learn English as a foreign language
    as I did. I had to memorize both the spelling and the pronunciation of
    each word. I can not pronounce correctly a new word. And I have some
    trouble understanding movies, I miss some words and have to read subtitles.

    I did read a lot of books, so I got vocabulary. That's probably the secret.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Tue Sep 8 05:33:18 2026
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    On Tue, 9/8/2026 4:17 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2026-09-08 00:11, T wrote:
    On 9/7/26 12:41 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2026-09-07 20:55, ....winston wrote:
    On 09/07/2026 12:30 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2026-09-07 16:22, T wrote:

    ...


    No wonder you are kicking out asses in education!

    Thank you for looking this us an sharing it.

    My mother in law taught 2nd grade.-a She used Phonics.-a Her students
    were three years ahead in reading than the other 2nd grade class
    that taught look see.-a When the administrators show up, she
    had flip over charts to make it look like she was teaching looked
    like look see.

    Several families that had their children go through both
    2nd grade classes came to the skool and BEGGED the principle
    to transfer their other kids to her class.-a The principle,
    bless him, fully supported her and ran interference for
    her with the "Curriculum Consultants" that had to constantly
    change things so they could keep theirs cushy jobs.

    Oh and Phonics has been used for centuries to successfully
    teach English, but noooooooo...

    My mother taught kids of 4 and 5 years old to read (maybe writing, I don't remember, but I guess that not all kids managed writing). She used a different method of her own, taking things from new methodologies (Montesori?) and traditional methods. Her success in getting most kids to read was known, parents in the neighbourhood choose her.

    Nobody in the administration challenged her, but they neither told other teachers to imitate my mother. Her method was a lot of work.


    After reading your English as a second language, I would posit you
    are better at it than most of our publik skool students.-a I
    had to admit, better than me.

    Thanks. I don't know if other people learn English as a foreign language as I did. I had to memorize both the spelling and the pronunciation of each word. I can not pronounce correctly a new word. And I have some trouble understanding movies, I miss some words and have to read subtitles.

    I did read a lot of books, so I got vocabulary. That's probably the secret.


    Humans as plastic up to age five or so.

    Any exposure you can give your kids, to concepts or things,
    every little bit helps.

    When un-stimulated young kids from two households, play together
    in a back yard, they can invent their own language, which neither
    of the sets of parents can understand.

    Such capabilities are not complete nor are they permanent.
    Some people can understand a language after such exposure, through
    their lives, but they cannot converse in the language (because
    they likely were not trying at the time).

    A lot of parents think, you just leave your sprog in the playpen,
    until the year comes they must attend school. and like magic, a week
    passes and their true Albert Einstein will come out on display. Then
    they wonder why the other kids seem to be doing better than their
    young sprog.

    When I was in my first year of school, I didn't think it was
    particularly fair to the other kids, to being promoted to the
    next grade, after attending for two weeks. Some of the cohort
    that stayed with me, on and off through school, they got promoted
    at the same time I did. Maybe seven to ten kids, were developed
    sufficiently, to be advanced a year after only two weeks of proof.
    And that's what schooling at home, before attending school, gives you.

    In the plastic state, it doesn't matter so much what technique you
    are using. It's just the stimulus and exposure to the material that
    helps. You don't expect all the functions to be acquired at the
    same rate. Some things are easier to learn than others.

    I had to learn my times tables when I was quite young.
    That helps just a bit, with the first math concepts in school.
    Other members of my family, did not get that, and their
    math suffered for it.

    In my back yard, when I was pretty young, I had my own little world
    out there. There were roads, there were buildings, all built in the dirt.
    Sure, I probably had the odd little toy car, but the universe in the
    dirt in the back yard, was larger than a couple toy cars. I remember
    my sister coming outdoors to the dirt, and her recognizing all the
    roads and such as a universe. That ended when the sods were placed
    in the back yard. Little universe, wiped out :-) That was a setback,
    but it didn't stop me.

    Paul
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  • From Java Jive@java@evij.com.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Tue Sep 8 14:03:58 2026
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    On 2026-09-08 09:17, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    I don't know if other people learn English as a foreign language
    as I did. I had to memorize both the spelling and the pronunciation of
    each word. I can not pronounce correctly a new word. And I have some
    trouble understanding movies, I miss some words and have to read subtitles.

    I did read a lot of books, so I got vocabulary. That's probably the secret.

    Carlos, your written English is very good and understandable, probably
    much better than my pitifully few words of German, Russian, and Spanish,
    and probably better also than my French, which is easily my best second language.

    English spelling vs pronunciation is a PITA for foreigners who don't
    learn it as a second language from a very young age. Not only are many
    words which are spelt similarly pronounced completely differently, but
    people from different parts of the country, let alone other
    English-speaking nations, pronounce exactly the same words differently.

    Examples of the former must begin with words ending in -ough, -ought ...

    Word Pronounced to rhyme with
    ============================================================
    through true
    thorough uh (like borough, curragh)
    trough off
    although go
    ought sort
    bough cow
    bow (polite bending of the body) cow
    bow (a knot) slow

    Other examples too complicated to fit in a table include ...

    'Borough', also spelt 'burgh', which besides the former being a word in
    its own right meaning a locality or a branch of local administration or government, have their own confusions where they occur in place names
    where each may be pronounced like the other, depending on the particular
    place name and perhaps the particular speaker, for example Edinburgh may
    be pronounced 'Edinburruh' or 'Edinbruh'.

    The Irish word 'lough' which is pronounced similarly to the Scottish
    word 'loch', both meaning a lake or sea inlet. The most similarly
    pronounced English word is 'lock', but the last syllable is a guttural
    'h' by raising the back of the tongue close to the top of the mouth. Officially it is termed "voiceless velar fricative (represented in
    linguistics as /x/)", but if, like me, that means nothing to you, then
    it's pronounced like the "ch" in the German name "Bach" or the "j" in
    the Spanish word "jam||n".

    Examples of the same word being pronounced differently include ...

    'Garage' is usually (RP*) pronounced to rhyme with 'large', but some
    some local accents have it rhyme with 'bridge'. Both variants stress
    the first syllable.

    'Clematis' (a rather beautiful house climbing plant) is usually (RP*) pronounced 'cle'm-uh-tis' where the first syllable is stressed and the
    'a' is pronounced like the interjection 'uh', but others pronounce it 'clema'tis' where the second syllable is stressed and the a rhymes with 'bait'.

    *RP: English as spoken on TV and radio used to have to be so-called
    "Received Pronounciation" (RP) ...

    <https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+Receved+Pronounciation>

    ... but not any longer. There were/are advantages and disadvantages to
    this. The most obvious advantage was that almost anybody from any part
    of the country could understand what was spoken on the radio and TV.
    Its ubiquity started to permeate everything and regional accents started
    to fade, or at least be affected sufficiently to become more
    understandable, but this latter point can also be viewed as a
    disadvantage, because fine patterns and modes of speech, including
    actual languages such as Gaelic and Welsh, were becoming in danger of
    being lost.

    RP was also ripe for comedic , for example (Poem 7 "The 6 O'Clock News",
    and perhaps others):

    <https://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Leonard.php>

    My mother was a minor aristocrat who spoke RP, often sounding like our
    late Queen. She's the only person in the world I have ever met who
    switched an electrical appliance 'orf' rather than 'off'. As children
    we found this embarrassing - after all, while we all want parents who
    will teach us to, like, "speak proper", there is a limit - so we used
    to tease her about it in an effort to get her to be a little more common
    in her speech, but she'd merely get annoyed.

    I am very glad that I learnt English as my first language from
    childhood, it would drive me nuts trying to get my head around all the
    above at a later age!

    It's not just English though ...

    Some years back there was an excellent BBC documentary series called
    "The Secret History Of Writing". The last episode particularly covered attempts by governments to modernise ancient alphabets. For example,
    some central eurasian countries were dropping the Cyrillic alphabet in
    favour of a western-based one, and the Chinese were considering
    something similar in devising a phonetics based lettering for their
    language - it should be remembered that traditional Chinese lettering
    is extremely complex and cannot easily be used in typewriting and
    typesetting, which is a huge drawback in an industrial era. However, in
    the Chinese case, the project was dropped because attempts to codify the language in Western spelling based on phonetics kept running into
    regional dialects, where the same word would be pronounced differently
    in different parts of the country. Eventually it was decided to keep
    the Ancient script, because everyone across the country knew what it
    meant, even if they pronounced it differently. There was also a scene
    where Chinese youths, who were used to spending most of their time
    online using western scripting, were sitting around a table in a bar or
    cafe trying to remember how to write in the original ancient pictograms
    of their language.
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    Fake news kills!

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  • From Mark Lloyd@not.email@all.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Tue Sep 8 16:21:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Mon, 7 Sep 2026 15:11:07 -0700, T wrote:

    [snip]

    My mother in law taught 2nd grade. She used Phonics. Her students were three years ahead in reading than the other 2nd grade class that taught
    look see. When the administrators show up, she had flip over charts to
    make it look like she was teaching looked like look see.

    I had 6th grade in a university town, so sometimes there were student teachers. One was teaching something she called "code 78". I have not seen that name anywhere else, but it was normally called "phonics".

    [snip]
    --
    108 days until the winter celebration (Friday, December 25, 2026 12:00
    AM for 1 day).

    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "God is not all that exists. God is all that does not exist." [Remy de
    Gourmont (1858-1915) French novelist, critic, philosopher]
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Tue Sep 8 19:30:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2026-09-08 00:11, T wrote:

    No wonder you are kicking out asses in education!

    Thank you for looking this us an sharing it.

    The latest PISA report has just come out, and it is not good for Spain.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment>

    The Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) is a worldwide
    study by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development
    (OECD) in member and non-member nations intended to evaluate educational systems by measuring 15-year-old school pupils' scholastic performance
    on mathematics, science, and reading.[1] It was first performed in 2000
    and then repeated every three years. Its aim is to provide comparable
    data to enable countries to improve their education policies and
    outcomes. It measures problem solving and cognition.[2]

    The results of the 2022 data collection were released in December 2023.[3]


    <https://www.eldiario.es/sociedad/espana-desploma-pisa-alumnos-dificultades-textos-400-palabras-culpa-pantallas_1_13492888.html>

    Spain Plummets in PISA, and Students Have rCLDifficultyrCY with Texts Longer Than 400 Words Because of Screens

    The countryrCOs scores in reading, science, and math have fallen in
    line with the rest of the world; the OECD notes that cell phones and
    social media are affecting the attention spans of 15-year-old students,
    who struggle with complex textsrCoa global trend



    Nice graph, per regionality in Spain and OCDE (same colours as next graph):

    <https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/NourA/3/>


    Evolution graph, for Spain and OCDE. Science (blue) maths (red) reading (yellow)

    <https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/bc8CL/3/>



    Graph per country - science
    <https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/DrgVC/3/>


    Notice that the USA is not in a bad position.




    <https://elpais.com/us/2026-09-08/estados-unidos-se-desploma-en-lectura-en-el-informe-pisa-2025-con-el-peor-resultado-en-su-historia.html>

    The United States Plummets in Reading on the 2025 PISA Report, Posting
    Its Worst Score Ever

    U.S. students dropped 14 points in reading comprehension, though they
    remained above average in math and science as well



    The site doesn't show graphs for the USA. Perhaps you can find a better
    link.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Tue Sep 8 19:14:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Mon, 7 Sep 2026 15:11:07 -0700, T wrote:

    My mother in law taught 2nd grade. She used Phonics. Her students were three years ahead in reading than the other 2nd grade class that taught
    look see. When the administrators show up, she had flip over charts to
    make it look like she was teaching looked like look see.

    'Look-say method'. I didn't know what you were talking about. I may have
    used the look-say method. I would sit on my father's lap and he would read
    to me. One day when he wasn't around I was reading one of my favorite
    Thorton Burgess books. 'How cute! He's pretending to be reading!' Then I
    read a passage out loud to prove I wasn't faking it.

    My father wasn't teaching phonetics and it was well before I saw a public school.
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Tue Sep 8 23:49:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2026/9/8 14:3:58, Java Jive wrote:
    On 2026-09-08 09:17, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    I don't know if other people learn English as a foreign language
    as I did. I had to memorize both the spelling and the pronunciation of
    each word. I can not pronounce correctly a new word. And I have some
    trouble understanding movies, I miss some words and have to read subtitles. >>
    I did read a lot of books, so I got vocabulary. That's probably the secret.

    Carlos, your written English is very good and understandable, probably

    Seconded.
    []
    English spelling vs pronunciation is a PITA for foreigners who don't
    learn it as a second language from a very young age. Not only are many

    Unfortunately, English is /not/ a phonetic language, unlike most others
    I have come across - certainly German, French, Dutch, Welsh, Danish,
    Norwegian, Swedish - are; you have to learn the rules, but once you have
    learnt them (only three or four for Welsh, for an English-speaker), you
    can pronounce them. you may not have a clue what they _mean_, but you
    can read them out.

    I've come across a beautiful summary of the weirdness of English
    punctuation - "The Chaos", actually written by a Dutchman in 1922: https://ncf.idallen.com/english.html (some of the pronunciations aren't
    the current ones). Listen at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfRSvTSY0d4

    words which are spelt similarly pronounced completely differently, but people from different parts of the country, let alone other
    English-speaking nations, pronounce exactly the same words differently.

    Examples of the former must begin with words ending in -ough, -ought ...

    Word Pronounced to rhyme with
    ============================================================
    through true
    thorough uh (like borough, curragh)
    trough off
    although go
    ought sort
    bough cow
    bow (polite bending of the body) cow
    bow (a knot) slow

    Then there is "ghoti" = "fish" (gh as in couGH, o as in wOmen, ti as in staTIon).


    Other examples too complicated to fit in a table include ...

    'Borough', also spelt 'burgh', which besides the former being a word in
    its own right meaning a locality or a branch of local administration or government, have their own confusions where they occur in place names
    where each may be pronounced like the other, depending on the particular place name and perhaps the particular speaker, for example Edinburgh may
    be pronounced 'Edinburruh' or 'Edinbruh'.

    And American tourists usually get it - and others - wrong, often by
    pronouncing _too_ correctly; for example, they don't get that -shire is
    usually pronounced -shu' (well, a schwa).


    The Irish word 'lough' which is pronounced similarly to the Scottish
    word 'loch', both meaning a lake or sea inlet. The most similarly pronounced English word is 'lock', but the last syllable is a guttural
    'h' by raising the back of the tongue close to the top of the mouth. Officially it is termed "voiceless velar fricative (represented in linguistics as /x/)", but if, like me, that means nothing to you, then
    it's pronounced like the "ch" in the German name "Bach" or the "j" in
    the Spanish word "jam||n".

    A lot of British folk (and Americans) genuinely seem to think it _is_ pronounced -k- - they say Lock Ness, and the composer Bak.
    []
    My mother was a minor aristocrat who spoke RP, often sounding like our
    late Queen. She's the only person in the world I have ever met who
    switched an electrical appliance 'orf' rather than 'off'. As children
    we found this embarrassing - after all, while we all want parents who
    will teach us to, like, "speak proper", there is a limit - so we used
    to tease her about it in an effort to get her to be a little more common
    in her speech, but she'd merely get annoyed.

    My mother was northern English, and taught English in Germany (nice
    symmetry: Dad taught German to the English [he had a teaching job with
    the British Army in Germany], and she taught English to the Germans [she
    always got jobs in local schools wherever we were). People said her
    students spoke with a Geordie accent. (I couldn't hear it over their
    German one; very few Germans speak English without a rather comic German accent, though they don't think they do).


    I am very glad that I learnt English as my first language from
    childhood, it would drive me nuts trying to get my head around all the
    above at a later age!

    It's not just English though ...

    Some years back there was an excellent BBC documentary series called
    "The Secret History Of Writing". The last episode particularly covered attempts by governments to modernise ancient alphabets. For example,
    some central eurasian countries were dropping the Cyrillic alphabet in favour of a western-based one, and the Chinese were considering
    something similar in devising a phonetics based lettering for their
    language - it should be remembered that traditional Chinese lettering
    is extremely complex and cannot easily be used in typewriting and typesetting, which is a huge drawback in an industrial era. However, in
    the Chinese case, the project was dropped because attempts to codify the language in Western spelling based on phonetics kept running into
    regional dialects, where the same word would be pronounced differently
    in different parts of the country. Eventually it was decided to keep

    There's also intonation; I remember being told that the words for big,
    yellow, and king (I think - ~50 years ago!) were very similar, but
    depending on whether said with a rising or falling intonation ...

    the Ancient script, because everyone across the country knew what it
    meant, even if they pronounced it differently. There was also a scene
    where Chinese youths, who were used to spending most of their time
    online using western scripting, were sitting around a table in a bar or
    cafe trying to remember how to write in the original ancient pictograms
    of their language.

    Interesting.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Often at work I wish they'd pay me what I'm worth, but sometimes I'm
    glad they don't. (BrritSki, in uk.media.radio.archers, on 2000-12-25.)
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  • From Hank Rogers@Hank@nospam.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Tue Sep 8 20:24:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    J. P. Gilliver wrote on 9/8/2026 5:49 PM:
    On 2026/9/8 14:3:58, Java Jive wrote:
    On 2026-09-08 09:17, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    I don't know if other people learn English as a foreign language
    as I did. I had to memorize both the spelling and the pronunciation of
    each word. I can not pronounce correctly a new word. And I have some
    trouble understanding movies, I miss some words and have to read subtitles. >>>
    I did read a lot of books, so I got vocabulary. That's probably the secret. >>
    Carlos, your written English is very good and understandable, probably

    Seconded.
    []
    English spelling vs pronunciation is a PITA for foreigners who don't
    learn it as a second language from a very young age. Not only are many

    Unfortunately, English is /not/ a phonetic language, unlike most others
    I have come across - certainly German, French, Dutch, Welsh, Danish, Norwegian, Swedish - are; you have to learn the rules, but once you have learnt them (only three or four for Welsh, for an English-speaker), you
    can pronounce them. you may not have a clue what they _mean_, but you
    can read them out.

    I've come across a beautiful summary of the weirdness of English
    punctuation - "The Chaos", actually written by a Dutchman in 1922: https://ncf.idallen.com/english.html (some of the pronunciations aren't
    the current ones). Listen at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfRSvTSY0d4

    words which are spelt similarly pronounced completely differently, but
    people from different parts of the country, let alone other
    English-speaking nations, pronounce exactly the same words differently.

    Examples of the former must begin with words ending in -ough, -ought ...

    Word Pronounced to rhyme with
    ============================================================
    through true
    thorough uh (like borough, curragh)
    trough off
    although go
    ought sort
    bough cow
    bow (polite bending of the body) cow
    bow (a knot) slow

    Then there is "ghoti" = "fish" (gh as in couGH, o as in wOmen, ti as in staTIon).


    Other examples too complicated to fit in a table include ...

    'Borough', also spelt 'burgh', which besides the former being a word in
    its own right meaning a locality or a branch of local administration or
    government, have their own confusions where they occur in place names
    where each may be pronounced like the other, depending on the particular
    place name and perhaps the particular speaker, for example Edinburgh may
    be pronounced 'Edinburruh' or 'Edinbruh'.

    And American tourists usually get it - and others - wrong, often by pronouncing _too_ correctly; for example, they don't get that -shire is usually pronounced -shu' (well, a schwa).


    The Irish word 'lough' which is pronounced similarly to the Scottish
    word 'loch', both meaning a lake or sea inlet. The most similarly
    pronounced English word is 'lock', but the last syllable is a guttural
    'h' by raising the back of the tongue close to the top of the mouth.
    Officially it is termed "voiceless velar fricative (represented in
    linguistics as /x/)", but if, like me, that means nothing to you, then
    it's pronounced like the "ch" in the German name "Bach" or the "j" in
    the Spanish word "jam||n".

    A lot of British folk (and Americans) genuinely seem to think it _is_ pronounced -k- - they say Lock Ness, and the composer Bak.
    []
    My mother was a minor aristocrat who spoke RP, often sounding like our
    late Queen. She's the only person in the world I have ever met who
    switched an electrical appliance 'orf' rather than 'off'. As children
    we found this embarrassing - after all, while we all want parents who
    will teach us to, like, "speak proper", there is a limit - so we used
    to tease her about it in an effort to get her to be a little more common
    in her speech, but she'd merely get annoyed.

    My mother was northern English, and taught English in Germany (nice
    symmetry: Dad taught German to the English [he had a teaching job with
    the British Army in Germany], and she taught English to the Germans [she always got jobs in local schools wherever we were). People said her
    students spoke with a Geordie accent. (I couldn't hear it over their
    German one; very few Germans speak English without a rather comic German accent, though they don't think they do).


    I am very glad that I learnt English as my first language from
    childhood, it would drive me nuts trying to get my head around all the
    above at a later age!

    It's not just English though ...

    Some years back there was an excellent BBC documentary series called
    "The Secret History Of Writing". The last episode particularly covered
    attempts by governments to modernise ancient alphabets. For example,
    some central eurasian countries were dropping the Cyrillic alphabet in
    favour of a western-based one, and the Chinese were considering
    something similar in devising a phonetics based lettering for their
    language - it should be remembered that traditional Chinese lettering
    is extremely complex and cannot easily be used in typewriting and
    typesetting, which is a huge drawback in an industrial era. However, in
    the Chinese case, the project was dropped because attempts to codify the
    language in Western spelling based on phonetics kept running into
    regional dialects, where the same word would be pronounced differently
    in different parts of the country. Eventually it was decided to keep

    There's also intonation; I remember being told that the words for big, yellow, and king (I think - ~50 years ago!) were very similar, but
    depending on whether said with a rising or falling intonation ...


    That could come in handy today when we talk about Emperor donald trump!

    Orange and yellow are pretty close on the color circle.

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  • From T@T@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Tue Sep 8 19:10:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 9/8/26 1:17 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    Oh and Phonics has been used for centuries to successfully
    teach English, but noooooooo...

    My mother taught kids of 4 and 5 years old to read (maybe writing, I
    don't remember, but I guess that not all kids managed writing). She used
    a different method of her own, taking things from new methodologies (Montesori?) and traditional methods. Her success in getting most kids
    to read was known, parents in the neighbourhood choose her.

    Nobody in the administration challenged her, but they neither told other teachers to imitate my mother. Her method was a lot of work.

    She knew what she was doing and so did my mother in law.
    They were "boots on the ground". They did not need a
    whole stream of disconnected bureaucrats above them whose jobs
    required constantly changing things. And the corruption
    does not stop with the bureaucrats and their bloat. The
    sellers of the books and materials make a ton of money
    when things are constantly changing too.

    Good teacher know what they need to do their jobs. They are
    the ones that should be picking their materials. And it
    should be part of their job description.



    After reading your English as a second language, I would posit you
    are better at it than most of our publik skool students.-a I
    had to admit, better than me.

    Thanks. I don't know if other people learn English as a foreign language
    as I did. I had to memorize both the spelling and the pronunciation of
    each word. I can not pronounce correctly a new word. And I have some
    trouble understanding movies, I miss some words and have to read subtitles.

    One of the hardest parts about learning English is all the
    dual meaning of words and word that are pronounced the
    same but are spelled differently. It is because we shamelessly
    rip off words from other languages. It is one of the things
    that makes English so powerful at the same time is its undoing.

    Here is a good rule:
    "I" before "E" unless after "C" or the you
    are trying to spell.

    It is becasue "I" and "E" are pronounced opposite in
    German then in Anglo Saxon.


    I did read a lot of books, so I got vocabulary. That's probably the secret.

    You probably speak with that beautiful, almost musical,
    Castilian Spanish too. If so, you should be careful with
    your super powers. I have seem women's knees get weak
    when they hear it. And some might faint and hit the
    heads on the way down! You could do a lot of damage
    just by opening your mouth. But, methinks Spanish women
    would probably be immune to you.

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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Sep 9 02:31:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Tue, 8 Sep 2026 23:49:36 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    Unfortunately, English is /not/ a phonetic language, unlike most others
    I have come across - certainly German, French, Dutch, Welsh, Danish, Norwegian, Swedish - are; you have to learn the rules, but once you have learnt them (only three or four for Welsh, for an English-speaker), you
    can pronounce them. you may not have a clue what they _mean_, but you
    can read them out.

    I default to the German pronunciation when in doubt. French pronunciation escapes me. They seem to elide syllables that are there and throw in ones
    that aren't.
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Sep 9 02:40:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Tue, 8 Sep 2026 20:24:21 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote:

    'Borough', also spelt 'burgh', which besides the former being a word
    in its own right meaning a locality or a branch of local
    administration or government, have their own confusions where they
    occur in place names where each may be pronounced like the other,
    depending on the particular place name and perhaps the particular
    speaker, for example Edinburgh may be pronounced 'Edinburruh' or
    'Edinbruh'.

    I'm embarrassed to admit I thought it was Edinboro. I've seen it spelled
    but defaulted to the pronunciation I'd learned, otherwise I would
    pronounce it like Pittsburgh. In its history the 'h' sometimes has been dropped.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pittsburg_Times

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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Sep 9 02:55:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Tue, 8 Sep 2026 19:10:11 -0700, T wrote:

    It is becasue "I" and "E" are pronounced opposite in German then in
    Anglo Saxon.

    Sort of, sometimes...

    https://www.meetkleo.com/articles/ei-and-ie-pronunciation-in-german

    "ThererCOs a notable family called Stein.
    ThererCOs Gertrude, thererCOs EprCo, and thererCOs EinrCo,
    GertrCOs writings are punk,
    EprCOs statues are junk.
    CanrCOt make head or tail out of EinrCo."

    Jacob, not Jeffrey, Epstein. Maybe 'Ep's whores were drunk' ?
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  • From T@T@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Tue Sep 8 21:16:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 9/8/26 7:55 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 8 Sep 2026 19:10:11 -0700, T wrote:

    It is becasue "I" and "E" are pronounced opposite in German then in
    Anglo Saxon.

    Sort of, sometimes...

    https://www.meetkleo.com/articles/ei-and-ie-pronunciation-in-german

    "ThererCOs a notable family called Stein.
    ThererCOs Gertrude, thererCOs EprCo, and thererCOs EinrCo,
    GertrCOs writings are punk,
    EprCOs statues are junk.
    CanrCOt make head or tail out of EinrCo."

    Jacob, not Jeffrey, Epstein. Maybe 'Ep's whores were drunk' ?

    It took me years to get

    The - ir

    down. Now I always type "the" and then the rest follows.
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  • From ....winston@winstonmvp@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Sep 9 01:19:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 09/08/2026 12:21 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Sep 2026 15:11:07 -0700, T wrote:

    [snip]

    My mother in law taught 2nd grade. She used Phonics. Her students were
    three years ahead in reading than the other 2nd grade class that taught
    look see. When the administrators show up, she had flip over charts to
    make it look like she was teaching looked like look see.

    I had 6th grade in a university town, so sometimes there were student teachers. One was teaching something she called "code 78". I have not seen that name anywhere else, but it was normally called "phonics".

    [snip]


    US schools today with very few exceptions use the phonics method(Science
    of Reading -mandating explicit, phonics based decoding)
    The exceptions - use of 'look-say/see' methods are rare and primarily
    in a few, primarily southern state's charter schools but only in
    targeted frameworks

    i.e. any reference to the 'look/whole word' method as being in use or
    adopted in any U.S. State would be misinformation. Nor does it have any relevance in opinions about admin/teacher ratios in the education system.

    Only 7 states have not adopted or enacted laws supporting the Science of Reading approach.
    Alaska, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Montana, South Dakota, Vermont.
    Note: Lack of adoption though does not and has never meant the 'phonics' method is *not* in use.

    Fyi:
    Code 78 => Lesson 78 => focuses on the R-controlled vowel sound when
    the letter 'r' follows the vowel 'o' the sound(short/long form) changes
    into a new sound.
    - associative with ULFI Foundations - nationwide adoption as the core phonics program. In fact extends beyond the US to other countries(e.g.
    Canada, Australia)
    --
    ...w-i|#-o-#-n|#
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Sep 9 13:24:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2026-09-09 04:10, T wrote:
    On 9/8/26 1:17 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    Oh and Phonics has been used for centuries to successfully
    teach English, but noooooooo...

    My mother taught kids of 4 and 5 years old to read (maybe writing, I
    don't remember, but I guess that not all kids managed writing). She
    used a different method of her own, taking things from new
    methodologies (Montesori?) and traditional methods. Her success in
    getting most kids to read was known, parents in the neighbourhood
    choose her.

    Nobody in the administration challenged her, but they neither told
    other teachers to imitate my mother. Her method was a lot of work.

    She knew what she was doing and so did my mother in law.
    They were "boots on the ground".-a They did not need a
    whole stream of disconnected bureaucrats above them whose jobs
    required constantly changing things.-a And the corruption
    does not stop with the bureaucrats and their bloat.-a The
    sellers of the books and materials make a ton of money
    when things are constantly changing too.

    Good teacher know what they need to do their jobs.-a They are
    the ones that should be picking their materials.-a And it
    should be part of their job description.



    After reading your English as a second language, I would posit you
    are better at it than most of our publik skool students.-a I
    had to admit, better than me.

    Thanks. I don't know if other people learn English as a foreign
    language as I did. I had to memorize both the spelling and the
    pronunciation of each word. I can not pronounce correctly a new word.
    And I have some trouble understanding movies, I miss some words and
    have to read subtitles.

    One of the hardest parts about learning English is all the
    dual meaning of words and word that are pronounced the
    same but are spelled differently.-a It is because we shamelessly
    rip off words from other languages.-a It is one of the things
    that makes English so powerful at the same time is its undoing.

    Goes both ways.

    For instance, "bizarre". In English, it means strange. In Spanish,
    "bizarro" meant valiant. Now it means strange.



    Here is a good rule:
    -a "I" before "E" unless after "C" or the you
    -a are trying to spell.

    It is becasue "I" and "E" are pronounced opposite in
    German then in Anglo Saxon.


    I did read a lot of books, so I got vocabulary. That's probably the
    secret.

    You probably speak with that beautiful, almost musical,
    Castilian Spanish too.-a If so, you should be careful with
    your super powers.-a I have seem women's knees get weak
    when they hear it.-a And some might faint and hit the
    heads on the way down!-a You could do a lot of damage
    just by opening your mouth.-a But, methinks Spanish women
    would probably be immune to you.


    :-DD

    I think in English I have a Canadian accent (Ottawa). In Spanish my
    accent is similar to Andaluz but is not that.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Sep 9 13:19:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2026/9/9 5:16:30, T wrote:
    On 9/8/26 7:55 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 8 Sep 2026 19:10:11 -0700, T wrote:

    It is becasue "I" and "E" are pronounced opposite in German then in
    Anglo Saxon.

    Sort of, sometimes...

    https://www.meetkleo.com/articles/ei-and-ie-pronunciation-in-german

    Yes, rather than I and E, it's IE and EI that are (mostly) pronounced
    the other way round in German.

    Incidentally, the old "I before E except after C" 'rule', which people
    love to find exceptions to: most people don't know it in full - it's

    I before E except after C,
    /when the sound is "ee"/.

    Yes, there are still exceptions - this is English, after all! - but the addition of the second part eliminates _most_ of them. Those remaining
    are mostly old words like wierd, and place (and other) names like Leith
    and Keith.>>
    "ThererCOs a notable family called Stein.
    ThererCOs Gertrude, thererCOs EprCo, and thererCOs EinrCo,
    GertrCOs writings are punk,
    EprCOs statues are junk.
    CanrCOt make head or tail out of EinrCo."

    Jacob, not Jeffrey, Epstein. Maybe 'Ep's whores were drunk' ?

    Well, those are all names with the German word Stein (which is
    pronounced the German way), which mostly just means stone (though it can
    mean a sort of drinking tankard). We have such names with the English
    suffix - Livingstone, Gladstone, ...


    It took me years to get

    The - ir

    down. Now I always type "the" and then the rest follows.

    How do you calm down an English teacher?

    There, their, they're.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    There is no character, howsoever good and fine, but it can be destroyed
    by ridicule, howsoever poor and witless.
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  • From ....winston@winstonmvp@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Sep 9 15:05:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 09/08/2026 4:17 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2026-09-08 00:11, T wrote:
    On 9/7/26 12:41 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2026-09-07 20:55, ....winston wrote:
    On 09/07/2026 12:30 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2026-09-07 16:22, T wrote:

    ...


    No wonder you are kicking out asses in education!

    Thank you for looking this us an sharing it.

    My mother in law taught 2nd grade.-a She used Phonics.-a Her students
    were three years ahead in reading than the other 2nd grade class
    that taught look see.-a When the administrators show up, she
    had flip over charts to make it look like she was teaching looked
    like look see.

    Several families that had their children go through both
    2nd grade classes came to the skool and BEGGED the principle
    to transfer their other kids to her class.-a The principle,
    bless him, fully supported her and ran interference for
    her with the "Curriculum Consultants" that had to constantly
    change things so they could keep theirs cushy jobs.

    Oh and Phonics has been used for centuries to successfully
    teach English, but noooooooo...

    My mother taught kids of 4 and 5 years old to read (maybe writing, I
    don't remember, but I guess that not all kids managed writing). She used
    a different method of her own, taking things from new methodologies (Montesori?) and traditional methods. Her success in getting most kids
    to read was known, parents in the neighbourhood choose her.

    Nobody in the administration challenged her, but they neither told other teachers to imitate my mother. Her method was a lot of work.


    After reading your English as a second language, I would posit you
    are better at it than most of our publik skool students.-a I
    had to admit, better than me.

    Thanks. I don't know if other people learn English as a foreign language
    as I did. I had to memorize both the spelling and the pronunciation of
    each word. I can not pronounce correctly a new word. And I have some
    trouble understanding movies, I miss some words and have to read subtitles.

    I did read a lot of books, so I got vocabulary. That's probably the secret.


    Your English is more than adequate, it's excellent.

    I suspect the numbers you provided for teacher and admin numbers and
    ratio might be better and a good reason you mentioned to be cautious
    regarding the numbers.

    Your teacher to admin ratio shows it lower than the US.
    15:1 vs 49:1
    -i.e. more than 3x admin per teacher
    => for every 49 teachers, 3.27 admin

    Not sure why one would even attempt to rate or compare the Spanish
    school system vs. U.S. school system. Neither can be claimed as
    objectively better.
    The Spanish system/model is more structured, content leaning(heavier)
    and more focused on core academics and memorization. Also career and
    academic tracks choices occur much earlier.
    The US system/model is a bit more flexible and broader, more team
    oriented, extracurricular options, maybe more critical thinking and
    diversity in learning(for specific student needs). Career and academic
    track choices usually later(collegiate vs high school).
    Also, the entire environment(family, school, infrastructure, et.c) and culture are different...leading to even more reasons that skews any type
    of comparison.

    In the U.S. a significant contributor(best and worst) may be leaving
    education methods, standard choices and approaches to the individual
    states legislatures which has proven time and time again, that politics
    and budget favoritism directly impact the direction, execution, and
    inevitably the end or desired result(both good and bad)
    - In the U.S. the blue-state/red-state correlation is present in test scores, advanced placement, drop-out rates in the entire school
    system(public, private, charter)
    Massachusetts and Connecticut, NewYork surpass(by large margin) the
    lowest ranked Oklahoma, Mississippi, Arizona, Louisiana, Texas,
    Georgia(all red states, though Arizona recently leans purple).
    Massachusetts and Connecticut(blue)
    --
    ...w-i|#-o-#-n|#
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Sep 9 21:36:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2026-09-09 00:49, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2026/9/8 14:3:58, Java Jive wrote:
    On 2026-09-08 09:17, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    I don't know if other people learn English as a foreign language
    as I did. I had to memorize both the spelling and the pronunciation of
    each word. I can not pronounce correctly a new word. And I have some
    trouble understanding movies, I miss some words and have to read subtitles. >>>
    I did read a lot of books, so I got vocabulary. That's probably the secret. >>
    Carlos, your written English is very good and understandable, probably

    Seconded.
    []
    English spelling vs pronunciation is a PITA for foreigners who don't
    learn it as a second language from a very young age. Not only are many

    Unfortunately, English is /not/ a phonetic language, unlike most others
    I have come across - certainly German, French, Dutch, Welsh, Danish, Norwegian, Swedish - are; you have to learn the rules, but once you have learnt them (only three or four for Welsh, for an English-speaker), you
    can pronounce them. you may not have a clue what they _mean_, but you
    can read them out.

    I've come across a beautiful summary of the weirdness of English
    punctuation - "The Chaos", actually written by a Dutchman in 1922: https://ncf.idallen.com/english.html (some of the pronunciations aren't
    the current ones). Listen at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfRSvTSY0d4

    words which are spelt similarly pronounced completely differently, but
    people from different parts of the country, let alone other
    English-speaking nations, pronounce exactly the same words differently.

    Examples of the former must begin with words ending in -ough, -ought ...

    Word Pronounced to rhyme with
    ============================================================
    through true
    thorough uh (like borough, curragh)
    trough off
    although go
    ought sort
    bough cow
    bow (polite bending of the body) cow
    bow (a knot) slow

    Then there is "ghoti" = "fish" (gh as in couGH, o as in wOmen, ti as in staTIon).

    <https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7338968-george-bernard-shaw-s-famous-spelling-of-fish-as-ghoti-the-first>


    I have it in a Webster encyclopedic dictionary I have, in the spelling section. Old, from the 80's.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From T@T@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Sep 9 18:26:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 9/8/26 7:55 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 8 Sep 2026 19:10:11 -0700, T wrote:

    It is becasue "I" and "E" are pronounced opposite in German then in
    Anglo Saxon.

    Sort of, sometimes...

    https://www.meetkleo.com/articles/ei-and-ie-pronunciation-in-german

    "ThererCOs a notable family called Stein.
    ThererCOs Gertrude, thererCOs EprCo, and thererCOs EinrCo,
    GertrCOs writings are punk,
    EprCOs statues are junk.
    CanrCOt make head or tail out of EinrCo."

    Jacob, not Jeffrey, Epstein. Maybe 'Ep's whores were drunk' ?


    Ah Ha! "Epstein" has been "anglicized":

    Here is chatGPT:


    is "epstein" a german origin name?
    ChatGPT said:

    Yes. Epstein is generally a German-language Jewish surname, particularly associated historically with Ashkenazi Jews.

    The name is thought to derive from Eppstein, a town in Hesse, Germany. rCLEpsteinrCY can essentially be understood as a variant/spelling associated with that place name.

    So:

    Geographic origin: German (Eppstein, Hesse)
    Surname tradition: Predominantly Ashkenazi Jewish
    Meaning: A habitational surname, referring to someone associated with
    Eppstein
    Not necessarily ethnic: Having the surname Epstein by itself doesn't
    establish someone's ethnicity or ancestry.
    You said:

    if i is german, why is the "ei" pronounces as eee and not eye
    ChatGPT said:

    Because rCLeirCY is pronounced differently depending on the language.

    In standard German, ei is normally pronounced like the English rCLeyerCY: Eppstein would be roughly pronounced with an rCLeyerCY sound.

    But Epstein as a surname has been Anglicized in English-speaking
    countries. In English, many people pronounce it with rCLeerCY rather than
    the original German diphthong.

    So you can think of it as:

    German: rCLeirCY raA rCLeyerCY
    English/American surname usage: rCLEpsteinrCY raA commonly rCLeep-steenrCY

    And thererCOs an interesting wrinkle: the surname is associated with the German place name Eppstein, which is spelled with rCLpprCY, not rCLEpstein.rCY The surname's spelling and pronunciation evolved as it spread among
    Jewish communities and into English-speaking countries.
    You said:

    how is it pronounced in german?
    ChatGPT said:

    In German, Epstein would be pronounced approximately with the rCLeirCY like English rCLeyerCY.

    So it sounds roughly like rCLEYP-shtinerCY, with the rCLprCY clearly pronounced
    and the rCLstrCY pronounced rCLshtrCY in German.

    The key difference is:

    German ei raA rCLeyerCY sound
    German st at the beginning of a syllable raA rCLshtrCY sound

    So the German pronunciation is quite different from the common American rCLEEP-steen.rCY


    Does the "stein" have anything to do with the beer mug?
    ChatGPT said:

    Yes rCo indirectly.

    German Stein literally means rCLstone.rCY The word is related to the German word for stone and appears in many German surnames and place names.

    The connection to the beer mug is a later German/English usage: Stein
    became a shortened term for a stoneware beer mug, because traditional
    German beer mugs were often made of stoneware.

    So in a surname like Epstein:

    Ep- = associated with Eppstein, the place name
    -stein = historically rCLstonerCY
    It does not mean rCLbeer mugrCY in the surname.

    And interestingly, Stein in German is pronounced roughly like rCLshtinerCY, not rCLsteen.rCY


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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Thu Sep 10 02:08:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Wed, 9 Sep 2026 18:26:01 -0700, T wrote:

    ChatGPT said:

    In German, Epstein would be pronounced approximately with the rCLeirCY like English rCLeyerCY.

    To paraphrase Goethe, ChatGPT kann mich im Arsche lecken! I do not watch
    or listen to news broadcasts so I assumed it was Epstine. I'd also assume someone chattering about Albert Eensteen or Gertrude Steen was an idiot. I won't go into Wittgenstein.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Wittgenstein

    Like US slaves Jews often took the name of their employer or the fiefdom
    where they lived. After emigrating the names tended to be Anglicized. Sometimes they were radically Anglicized like Israel Ehrenberg turning
    into Ashley Montague.

    I do pronounce Springsteen as 'steen' since that is how it is spelled. His heritage is Dutch and 'stone' is 'steen' in Dutch so we're back to stein.
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  • From T@T@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Sep 9 20:40:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 9/9/26 7:08 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Sep 2026 18:26:01 -0700, T wrote:

    ChatGPT said:

    In German, Epstein would be pronounced approximately with the rCLeirCY like >> English rCLeyerCY.

    To paraphrase Goethe, ChatGPT kann mich im Arsche lecken!

    That expression is kind of dirty!

    I do not watch
    or listen to news broadcasts so I assumed it was Epstine. I'd also assume someone chattering about Albert Eensteen or Gertrude Steen was an idiot. I won't go into Wittgenstein.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Wittgenstein

    Like US slaves Jews often took the name of their employer or the fiefdom where they lived. After emigrating the names tended to be Anglicized. Sometimes they were radically Anglicized like Israel Ehrenberg turning
    into Ashley Montague.

    I do pronounce Springsteen as 'steen' since that is how it is spelled. His heritage is Dutch and 'stone' is 'steen' in Dutch so we're back to stein.

    Which raises the issue with English steeling words from
    other languages. When do we know is a word has been
    "anglicized" or not?

    Now how do we pronounce "-iQue Mala!"?
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  • From T@T@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Wed Sep 9 21:45:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 9/8/26 12:14 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Sep 2026 15:11:07 -0700, T wrote:

    My mother in law taught 2nd grade. She used Phonics. Her students were
    three years ahead in reading than the other 2nd grade class that taught
    look see. When the administrators show up, she had flip over charts to
    make it look like she was teaching looked like look see.

    'Look-say method'. I didn't know what you were talking about. I may have
    used the look-say method. I would sit on my father's lap and he would read
    to me. One day when he wasn't around I was reading one of my favorite
    Thorton Burgess books. 'How cute! He's pretending to be reading!' Then I read a passage out loud to prove I wasn't faking it.

    My father wasn't teaching phonetics and it was well before I saw a public school.


    "bed" see the pillows at the head and the feet at the back.
    You visualize instead of sounding out the words.
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Thu Sep 10 04:57:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Wed, 9 Sep 2026 20:40:17 -0700, T wrote:

    On 9/9/26 7:08 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Sep 2026 18:26:01 -0700, T wrote:

    ChatGPT said:

    In German, Epstein would be pronounced approximately with the rCLeirCY
    like English rCLeyerCY.

    To paraphrase Goethe, ChatGPT kann mich im Arsche lecken!

    That expression is kind of dirty!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knnlKS7jRI4

    The 17th SS Panzergrenadier Division G||tz von Berlichingen was commonly referred to as the LMA division.
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Thu Sep 10 05:01:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Wed, 9 Sep 2026 21:45:11 -0700, T wrote:

    "bed" see the pillows at the head and the feet at the back.
    You visualize instead of sounding out the words.

    I worked with a self-taught programmer who referred to 'pair-a-meters'. So much for sounding out words. I think it was an honest mistake to start
    with but then became a way to get the senior programmer's blood pressure
    up.
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  • From Java Jive@java@evij.com.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Thu Sep 10 11:41:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2026-09-06 12:19, Paul wrote:

    For one day here, all the news articles referred to "Straight of Hormuz".
    I mean, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. That was the first
    day of reporting on the area.

    News editors used to be grumpy individuals, who would yell at
    reporters for doing stuff like that. It's "Strait of Hormuz".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_of_Hormuz
    There's also the problem of machine translation leading to Artificial Stupidity, as in the following where ...

    Washer = spacer used with nuts & bolts
    Washer = washing machine

    ... so ...

    spacer used with nuts & bolts = washing machine

    <https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0DXPV5J1V>

    "The package includes: you will receive 2 pieces of universal toilet
    screws kit, including 2 screws, 2 wing nuts, 6 flat washing machines, 2
    hex nuts, 4 rubber washing machines, 2 cone washing machines, this set
    can meet your requirements"

    But I think my favourite such story still is of the EU document that translated "hydraulic ram" as "water sheep".
    --

    Fake news kills!

    I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk

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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Thu Sep 10 11:47:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
    [...]

    I do pronounce Springsteen as 'steen' since that is how it is spelled. His heritage is Dutch and 'stone' is 'steen' in Dutch so we're back to stein.

    If you pronounce the 'steen' part the English way, then that's not the
    proper Dutch pronunciation.. That would be more like the English 'stain'.

    Here you can listen (speaker icons) to the differences in
    pronunciation:

    <https://translate.google.com/details?sl=en&tl=nl&text=steen&op=translate>
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  • From Philip Herlihy@nothing@invalid.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Thu Sep 10 13:02:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    In article <117u1ge$1tjoh$1@dont-email.me>, java@evij.com.invalid
    says...

    There's also the problem of machine translation leading to Artificial >Stupidity, as in the following where ...

    Washer = spacer used with nuts & bolts
    Washer = washing machine

    ... so ...

    spacer used with nuts & bolts = washing machine



    Famously, an early machine translator was asked to translate, into
    Russian and then back, the phrase "Out of sight, out of mind."

    Came back with: "Invisible idiot."
    --
    --
    Phil, London
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  • From Java Jive@java@evij.com.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Thu Sep 10 21:46:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2026-09-10 13:02, Philip Herlihy wrote:
    In article <117u1ge$1tjoh$1@dont-email.me>, java@evij.com.invalid
    says...

    There's also the problem of machine translation leading to Artificial
    Stupidity, as in the following where ...

    Washer = spacer used with nuts & bolts
    Washer = washing machine

    ... so ...

    spacer used with nuts & bolts = washing machine



    Famously, an early machine translator was asked to translate, into
    Russian and then back, the phrase "Out of sight, out of mind."

    Came back with: "Invisible idiot."

    LOL! Again, an unexpected trail of logic.
    --

    Fake news kills!

    I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk

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  • From Joel W. Crump@joelcrump@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Thu Sep 10 17:29:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 8/30/2026 1:08 PM, T wrote:

    Linux is a superior OS to Windows indeed.-a-a It is
    faster, far more stable, the GUI's are easier to
    use (well, not gnome, which it too weird to be
    usable)


    All very true. If one can deal with the available software for Linux,
    it offers every bit of the excellence Windows could claim, and really
    more. If I were making the choice solely based on the OS itself, it
    wouldn't even be a question that Linux would be the one.
    --
    Joel W. Crump

    Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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  • From Hank Rogers@Hank@nospam.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Thu Sep 10 17:34:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    Joel W. Crump wrote on 9/10/2026 4:29 PM:
    On 8/30/2026 1:08 PM, T wrote:

    Linux is a superior OS to Windows indeed.-a-a It is
    faster, far more stable, the GUI's are easier to
    use (well, not gnome, which it too weird to be
    usable)


    All very true.-a If one can deal with the available software for Linux,
    it offers every bit of the excellence Windows could claim, and really more.-a If I were making the choice solely based on the OS itself, it wouldn't even be a question that Linux would be the one.


    I think linux is wonderful. Maybe some day we can get a linux newsgroup.


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  • From T@T@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Thu Sep 10 16:01:14 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    Fun etymology: washer vs washer

    ChatGPT said:

    YesrCoand this is actually a really interesting etymology, because the two meanings of washer may not have the same origin, despite being spelled identically.
    1. rCLWasherrCY = the little metal ring with a hole

    The mechanical washerrCothe flat ring that goes under a nut or boltrCois recorded as far back as the mid-14th century. The Online Etymology
    Dictionary says its origin is uncertain. It has traditionally been
    considered related to wash, but the semantic connection is difficult to explain. Another possibility is that it came from the ancestor of French
    vis, meaning rCLscrewrCY or rCLvise.rCY EEtymology Online+1

    So, surprisingly, we don't know for certain why a metal ring was called
    a rCLwasher.rCY
    2. rCLWasherrCY = a washing machine

    This one is much more straightforward.

    washer raA one who/thing that washes raA washing machine

    The word washer comes from wash + the agent suffix -er, just as in
    runner (one who runs) or worker (one who works). The rCLperson who washesrCY meaning is documented by about the 1520s. Then, by 1808, washer was
    being used for a machine that washes. EEtymology Online+1

    And wash itself is extremely old. It comes from Old English wascan, rCLto cleanse, bathe,rCY from Proto-Germanic watskan, ultimately associated with
    the ancient Indo-European root *wed-, meaning rCLwaterrCY or rCLwet.rCY EEtymology Online
    So here's the fascinating part

    We have:

    WASHER (machine)
    raA wash + -er
    raA literally rCLa thing that washes.rCY

    WASHER (metal ring)
    raA first recorded in the 14th century
    raA origin uncertain; possibly related to wash, but perhaps from a
    completely different word associated with screw/vise. EEtymology Online

    And there's a fun historical wrinkle: the metal washer is actually the
    older use of the word. The mechanical sense is medieval, while washer
    meaning a person/thing that washes came later.

    So if you were wondering, rCLWhy on earth did we call that little metal
    donut a washer?rCYrCothe honest answer is: linguists aren't completely sure! That's one of those etymological mysteries where the dictionary actually
    says, essentially, we've got some theories, but we don't know.
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  • From T@T@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Thu Sep 10 17:36:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 9/10/26 3:34 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
    I think linux is wonderful.-a Maybe some day we can get a linux newsgroup.


    There was one. I have not looked lately. It was populates
    with total asses. When I need help, I just use the Fedora
    mailing list. Not a single ass. And extremely helpful.

    Also ChatGPT is pretty Windows and Linux literate
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  • From ....winston@winstonmvp@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Thu Sep 10 23:08:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 09/10/2026 7:01 PM, T wrote:
    Fun etymology: washer vs washer

    ChatGPT said:

    YesrCoand this is actually a really interesting etymology, because the two meanings of washer may not have the same origin, despite being spelled identically.
    1. rCLWasherrCY = the little metal ring with a hole

    The mechanical washerrCothe flat ring that goes under a nut or boltrCois recorded as far back as the mid-14th century. The Online Etymology Dictionary says its origin is uncertain. It has traditionally been considered related to wash, but the semantic connection is difficult to explain. Another possibility is that it came from the ancestor of French vis, meaning rCLscrewrCY or rCLvise.rCY EEtymology Online+1

    So, surprisingly, we don't know for certain why a metal ring was called
    a rCLwasher.rCY
    2. rCLWasherrCY = a washing machine

    This one is much more straightforward.

    washer raA one who/thing that washes raA washing machine

    The word washer comes from wash + the agent suffix -er, just as in
    runner (one who runs) or worker (one who works). The rCLperson who washesrCY meaning is documented by about the 1520s. Then, by 1808, washer was
    being used for a machine that washes. EEtymology Online+1

    And wash itself is extremely old. It comes from Old English wascan, rCLto cleanse, bathe,rCY from Proto-Germanic watskan, ultimately associated with the ancient Indo-European root *wed-, meaning rCLwaterrCY or rCLwet.rCY EEtymology Online
    So here's the fascinating part

    We have:

    WASHER (machine)
    raA wash + -er
    raA literally rCLa thing that washes.rCY

    WASHER (metal ring)
    raA first recorded in the 14th century
    raA origin uncertain; possibly related to wash, but perhaps from a completely different word associated with screw/vise. EEtymology Online

    And there's a fun historical wrinkle: the metal washer is actually the
    older use of the word. The mechanical sense is medieval, while washer meaning a person/thing that washes came later.

    So if you were wondering, rCLWhy on earth did we call that little metal donut a washer?rCYrCothe honest answer is: linguists aren't completely sure! That's one of those etymological mysteries where the dictionary actually says, essentially, we've got some theories, but we don't know.

    Washer (metal ring)
    'Wash' meant a thin layer of coating(then, and similar today like
    whitewash and color wash)
    Early metal washers were disk(flat) or hoops referred to as a 'wash of metal) - a thin layer installed and protecting(between) two, usually
    metal, parts.
    --
    ...w-i|#-o-#-n|#
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri Sep 11 04:25:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 17:34:54 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote:

    I think linux is wonderful. Maybe some day we can get a linux
    newsgroup.

    I tried to start a thread about the upcoming kernel and Omarchy in comp.os.linux.misc. It lasted about a day. Similar attempts in the past
    have had the lifespan of a mayfly. I can argue politics with the best of
    them if that's how it is.

    Meanwhile comp.os.linux.misc has become a branch office of alt.fans.rush- limbaugh.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri Sep 11 00:54:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Thu, 9/10/2026 5:29 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:
    On 8/30/2026 1:08 PM, T wrote:

    Linux is a superior OS to Windows indeed.-a-a It is
    faster, far more stable, the GUI's are easier to
    use (well, not gnome, which it too weird to be
    usable)


    All very true.-a If one can deal with the available software for Linux,
    it offers every bit of the excellence Windows could claim, and really more. If I were making the choice solely based on the OS itself, it wouldn't
    even be a question that Linux would be the one.

    The exception to this, is the distro issue. Anyone can make a distro,
    and some are disasters. For example, something I downloaded the other day,
    the history of it claimed they had been doing releases for ten years or so.
    And the item I downloaded, had both keyboard and mouse (under X11) problems.
    In X, the mouse worked for about two minutes, before clicking stopped working, and some applications cannot fully be operated with keyboard alone (via tabbing over top of buttons and hitting return).

    Linux can offer those benefits, but only for a relatively small subset of distro ISO files. And when inviting someone to test a Linux distro, you
    mention only the ones where the quality control is there.

    This is one reason, I would pick Linux Mint over Debian. I don't
    know how many times a Debian episode has caused minor hair loss,
    and as the top level of a section of the Linux-tree, this is to be expected
    (a lot of packages, not enough helpers). Distros downstream of that,
    don't have to do the sweaty work, and can spend more time tuning and
    cleaning up stuff. And putting the quality in. But there are still
    teams who can take Debian and make a shower out of it. Think of them
    as "subtractors of a thing".

    With some other ecosystem choices, there aren't as many flavors to test.

    Paul
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  • From Carlos E. R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri Sep 11 12:24:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2026-09-11 00:34, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Joel W. Crump wrote on 9/10/2026 4:29 PM:
    On 8/30/2026 1:08 PM, T wrote:

    Linux is a superior OS to Windows indeed.-a-a It is
    faster, far more stable, the GUI's are easier to
    use (well, not gnome, which it too weird to be
    usable)


    All very true.-a If one can deal with the available software for Linux,
    it offers every bit of the excellence Windows could claim, and really
    more.-a If I were making the choice solely based on the OS itself, it
    wouldn't even be a question that Linux would be the one.


    I think linux is wonderful.-a Maybe some day we can get a linux newsgroup.


    There are plenty.
    --
    Cheers,
    Carlos E.R.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|.
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  • From Carlos E. R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri Sep 11 12:37:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2026-09-11 06:25, rbowman wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 17:34:54 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote:

    I think linux is wonderful. Maybe some day we can get a linux
    newsgroup.

    I tried to start a thread about the upcoming kernel and Omarchy in comp.os.linux.misc. It lasted about a day.

    I read that thread when it came; I don't see any problem with it.

    Similar attempts in the past
    have had the lifespan of a mayfly. I can argue politics with the best of
    them if that's how it is.

    Meanwhile comp.os.linux.misc has become a branch office of alt.fans.rush- limbaugh.
    --
    Cheers,
    Carlos E.R.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|.
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri Sep 11 19:37:40 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 12:37:09 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

    On 2026-09-11 06:25, rbowman wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 17:34:54 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote:

    I think linux is wonderful. Maybe some day we can get a linux
    newsgroup.

    I tried to start a thread about the upcoming kernel and Omarchy in
    comp.os.linux.misc. It lasted about a day.

    I read that thread when it came; I don't see any problem with it.

    No, but it didn't kick off much discussion about Omarchy, kernels, or
    anything Linux related. Too much fun talking about batteries and politics,
    I guess.
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri Sep 11 21:57:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2026-09-11 21:37, rbowman wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 12:37:09 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

    On 2026-09-11 06:25, rbowman wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 17:34:54 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote:

    I think linux is wonderful. Maybe some day we can get a linux
    newsgroup.

    I tried to start a thread about the upcoming kernel and Omarchy in
    comp.os.linux.misc. It lasted about a day.

    I read that thread when it came; I don't see any problem with it.

    No, but it didn't kick off much discussion about Omarchy, kernels, or anything Linux related. Too much fun talking about batteries and politics,
    I guess.

    Well, I know nothing about Omarchy, I can't comment.

    I don't even use Tumbleweed, too much "movement". I use Leap, but it is
    not my preferred model. It just is less effort than migration.


    More fun:

    <https://itsfoss.com/news/switzerland-replace-microssoft-pilot/>

    Switzerland's Federal Government is Replacing Microsoft on 3,000 Computers

    This is the pilot phase, with 3,000 workstations moving away from
    Microsoft 365. The federal administration has over 54,000 computers.


    <https://itsfoss.com/news/german-state-ditch-microsoft/>

    Hurray! This German State Decides to Save re415 Million Each Year By
    Kicking Out Microsoft for Open Source

    Schleswig-Holstein's migration to LibreOffice reaches 80% completion,
    with a one-time re49 million investment on cards for 2026.


    <https://itsfoss.com/news/denmark-set-to-replace-microsoft/>

    Excellent! Denmark Set to Replace Microsoft Office with Open Source Alternative

    Denmark's Digital Ministry is replacing Microsoft services with
    LibreOffice and Linux.


    <https://itsfoss.com/news/privatim-declares-international-cloud-unsuitable/>

    Swiss Data Protection Group Says US Cloud Giants Can't Meet Privacy
    Standards

    Lack of end-to-end encryption makes international cloud services
    unsuitable, privatim says.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat Sep 12 03:20:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 21:57:00 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:


    Well, I know nothing about Omarchy, I can't comment.

    It's definitely an acquired taste. It's configured to use Hyprland, a
    dynamic tiling WM. It's a lot glitzier than sway or i3. It's an
    opinionated distro and if you don't like DHH's opinions look elsewhere. I don't mean his political opinions although that's what he mostly takes
    heat for.

    He also created Ruby on Rails. I never used it but a friend did. I think
    it has improved but he found that while developing the pilot was fast it didn't scale when put into production.


    I don't even use Tumbleweed, too much "movement". I use Leap, but it is
    not my preferred model. It just is less effort than migration.

    I was running Leap 16 but did the in place switch to Tumbleweed. I hit
    what I assume is a rare problem. I use MicroPython extensions in VS Code
    and they crashed after a Code update. I thought Tumbleweed might fix the problem but it didn't. No big deal. I reverted Code to 1.127 and locked it there. No problem on Fedora or Ubuntu.

    TW does move. I'm running the Fedora 45 prerelease and a couple of days
    ago after an update it was hosed. KDE Plasma released a bug fix in 6.7.5
    on 8 September and something must have went wrong. I updated Fedora today
    and it was back to normal. TW also updated to 6.7.5 today without the
    drama. So far, so good with TW. Regular Fedora gets a lot of updates and I haven't had a problem with it except when I go to a prerelease.

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  • From T@T@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri Sep 11 20:49:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 9/11/26 8:20 PM, rbowman wrote:
    I'm running the Fedora 45 prerelease

    Welcome to the Dark Side!
    <maniacal laughter>

    I am on 44. 45 should hit general release sometime in October.
    I will wait a month or two before upgrading
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat Sep 12 06:55:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 20:49:45 -0700, T wrote:

    On 9/11/26 8:20 PM, rbowman wrote:
    I'm running the Fedora 45 prerelease

    Welcome to the Dark Side!
    <maniacal laughter>

    I am on 44. 45 should hit general release sometime in October.
    I will wait a month or two before upgrading

    That's no fun. Walk on the wild side! I haven't had many problems running
    the prerelease versions. I guess something went off the rails with the 8 September 6.7.5 KDE Plasma bug fix but it's all better now.
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  • From s|b@me@privacy.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat Sep 12 13:34:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 11 Sep 2026 04:25:03 GMT, rbowman wrote:

    Meanwhile comp.os.linux.misc has become a branch office of alt.fans.rush- limbaugh.

    Only because people let it.
    --
    s|b

    Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae.
    (Julius Caesar)
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  • From s|b@me@privacy.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat Sep 12 13:35:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 17:34:54 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote:

    I think linux is wonderful. Maybe some day we can get a linux newsgroup.

    /s
    --
    s|b

    Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae.
    (Julius Caesar)
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  • From s|b@me@privacy.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat Sep 12 13:37:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 17:36:59 -0700, T wrote:

    On 9/10/26 3:34 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
    I think linux is wonderful.-a Maybe some day we can get a linux newsgroup.

    There was one. I have not looked lately. It was populates
    with total asses. When I need help, I just use the Fedora
    mailing list. Not a single ass. And extremely helpful.

    Also ChatGPT is pretty Windows and Linux literate

    There's definitely more than one. When I search my directory of combined
    news servers I find 1.258 newsgroups with 'linux' in their name.
    --
    s|b

    Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae.
    (Julius Caesar)
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  • From s|b@me@privacy.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat Sep 12 15:32:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 21:57:00 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    More fun:

    <https://itsfoss.com/news/switzerland-replace-microssoft-pilot/>

    Switzerland's Federal Government is Replacing Microsoft on 3,000 Computers

    This is the pilot phase, with 3,000 workstations moving away from
    Microsoft 365. The federal administration has over 54,000 computers.
    8< snip >8

    Meanwhile, our minister-president (of Flanders) was very proud to
    announce that civil servants would be starting to use M365 Copilot as of
    2025. 5.000 licenses in 2025 and another 5.000 in 2026.

    (What an idiot.)
    --
    s|b

    Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae.
    (Julius Caesar)
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From T@T@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat Sep 12 12:28:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 9/11/26 11:55 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 20:49:45 -0700, T wrote:

    On 9/11/26 8:20 PM, rbowman wrote:
    I'm running the Fedora 45 prerelease

    Welcome to the Dark Side!
    <maniacal laughter>

    I am on 44. 45 should hit general release sometime in October.
    I will wait a month or two before upgrading

    That's no fun. Walk on the wild side! I haven't had many problems running the prerelease versions. I guess something went off the rails with the 8 September 6.7.5 KDE Plasma bug fix but it's all better now.


    Ha!

    I have a VM especially set up for that. Time for me to
    upgrade it!

    I like KDE, but don't use it. I have a Live ISO I can
    run when I get curious.

    My base system is Xfce by default and Mate by request.
    I like having two so I can use the other one to fix my
    screw ups.

    You want to live on the bleeding edge and are feeling
    particularly masochistic, try "Arch"


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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat Sep 12 15:28:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Sat, 9/12/2026 9:32 AM, s|b wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 21:57:00 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    More fun:

    <https://itsfoss.com/news/switzerland-replace-microssoft-pilot/>

    Switzerland's Federal Government is Replacing Microsoft on 3,000 Computers >>
    This is the pilot phase, with 3,000 workstations moving away from
    Microsoft 365. The federal administration has over 54,000 computers.
    8< snip >8

    Meanwhile, our minister-president (of Flanders) was very proud to
    announce that civil servants would be starting to use M365 Copilot as of 2025. 5.000 licenses in 2025 and another 5.000 in 2026.

    (What an idiot.)


    I would think that would be mostly about token-charges.
    That's more of a subscription service (otherwise, Microsoft
    could be giving away tokens, if it just had a one time
    licensing fee and that was the only charge).

    You should realize, that Linux will also be getting the
    LLM-AI treatment. The browsers will get them fitted.
    And so on. There is no escape from the times. Then,
    it's all a matter of where the tokens come from
    (local computation, or faster datacenter computation).

    As an example, I asked my local AI to write me a summary,
    of a USENET thread that had 111 posts in it. It took
    over an hour, maybe an hour and a half, to do that.
    The first attempt failed when the context was too small.
    I set the context to 32K and then it finished. And the
    summary ? Not really acceptable. It's just a summary,
    with no value added by the machine. It would take
    another hour and a half run, to improve the content
    of the summary. Everything is approximate with AI,
    in an effort to increase the token consumption.
    It may be a helpful assistant, but it's not a
    very clever assistant.

    Only a guy working on a two trillion dollar IPO,
    and making claims about his latest "spooky AI",
    believes the machines are clever. They are clever,
    when there are a thousand of them, and they can
    work faster to defeat humans, than humans can respond.
    Thus, Skynet. That's the only way, apparently, they
    can be approximately-clever, is working as a pack of
    hounds. Now, you got clever. Or, you've got a lot
    of barking and biting.

    Paul
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  • From T@T@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat Sep 12 12:30:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 9/12/26 12:28 PM, T wrote:
    On 9/11/26 11:55 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 20:49:45 -0700, T wrote:

    On 9/11/26 8:20 PM, rbowman wrote:
    I'm running the Fedora 45 prerelease

    Welcome to the Dark Side!
    <maniacal laughter>

    I am on 44.-a 45 should hit general release sometime in October.
    I will wait a month or two before upgrading

    That's no fun. Walk on the wild side!-a I haven't had many problems
    running
    the prerelease versions. I guess something went off the rails with the 8
    September 6.7.5 KDE Plasma bug fix but it's all better now.


    Ha!

    I have a VM especially set up for that.-a Time for me to
    upgrade it!

    I like KDE, but don't use it.-a I have a Live ISO I can
    run when I get curious.

    My base system is Xfce by default and Mate by request.
    I like having two so I can use the other one to fix my
    screw ups.

    You want to live on the bleeding edge and are feeling
    particularly masochistic, try "Arch"



    ChatGTP's take:

    for when one is feeling particularly masochistic
    ChatGPT said:

    Exactly. Efye

    Arch Linux: for when you want to suffer with documentation.

    Gentoo: for when you want to compile your suffering from source.

    Linux From Scratch: for when you look at Gentoo and think, rCLThis is far
    too automated.rCY

    Fedora Rawhide: for when you want your suffering to arrive via
    continuous integration.

    And then there's TempleOS, for when you've decided the operating system
    itself should be part of the experience. Efye

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  • From T@T@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat Sep 12 12:32:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 9/12/26 6:32 AM, s|b wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 21:57:00 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    More fun:

    <https://itsfoss.com/news/switzerland-replace-microssoft-pilot/>

    Switzerland's Federal Government is Replacing Microsoft on 3,000 Computers >>
    This is the pilot phase, with 3,000 workstations moving away from
    Microsoft 365. The federal administration has over 54,000 computers.
    8< snip >8

    Meanwhile, our minister-president (of Flanders) was very proud to
    announce that civil servants would be starting to use M365 Copilot as of 2025. 5.000 licenses in 2025 and another 5.000 in 2026.

    (What an idiot.)


    So much so, I'd check his finances and see if he has
    any large deposits recently. Any fancy houses, Any
    fancy cars, etc.
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat Sep 12 20:06:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Sat, 12 Sep 2026 12:28:18 -0700, T wrote:


    My base system is Xfce by default and Mate by request.
    I like having two so I can use the other one to fix my screw ups.

    I hav MX/Xfce up in a VM. Their tweaks of Xfce are nice. I had Debian/Xfce
    on my work Linux box. It got the job done but Xfce seemed a bit primitive.
    I don't do much if any customization so it's interesting what a distro
    does to configure a DE. I can sort of live with Ubuntu's GNOME since it
    has a taskbar. I loaded Leap's GNOME into a VM. That lasted about 5
    minutes before I tried again with KDE. I had no intention of messing
    around with GNOME extensions and 'dash to dock' or whatever you have to do
    to get a taskbar.

    You want to live on the bleeding edge and are feeling particularly masochistic, try "Arch"

    I have EndeavourOS on the laptop, which is Arch without the installation hassles. The thrill of that 'learning experience' wore off decades ago. I
    like it until it failed to boot after an update. After messing around with
    a live USB boot, chroot, and getting into the depths of dracut I said the
    hell with it and installed Leap 16. I've since upgraded that to
    Tumbleweed.

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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat Sep 12 20:11:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Sat, 12 Sep 2026 13:37:28 +0200, s|b wrote:

    There's definitely more than one. When I search my directory of combined
    news servers I find 1.258 newsgroups with 'linux' in their name.

    Most of which are deader than Kelsey's nuts.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat Sep 12 18:30:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Sat, 9/12/2026 3:30 PM, T wrote:
    On 9/12/26 12:28 PM, T wrote:
    On 9/11/26 11:55 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 20:49:45 -0700, T wrote:

    On 9/11/26 8:20 PM, rbowman wrote:
    I'm running the Fedora 45 prerelease

    Welcome to the Dark Side!
    <maniacal laughter>

    I am on 44.-a 45 should hit general release sometime in October.
    I will wait a month or two before upgrading

    That's no fun. Walk on the wild side!-a I haven't had many problems running >>> the prerelease versions. I guess something went off the rails with the 8 >>> September 6.7.5 KDE Plasma bug fix but it's all better now.


    Ha!

    I have a VM especially set up for that.-a Time for me to
    upgrade it!

    I like KDE, but don't use it.-a I have a Live ISO I can
    run when I get curious.

    My base system is Xfce by default and Mate by request.
    I like having two so I can use the other one to fix my
    screw ups.

    You want to live on the bleeding edge and are feeling
    particularly masochistic, try "Arch"



    ChatGTP's take:

    for when one is feeling particularly masochistic
    ChatGPT said:

    Exactly. Efye

    Arch Linux: for when you want to suffer with documentation.

    Gentoo: for when you want to compile your suffering from source.

    Linux From Scratch: for when you look at Gentoo and think, rCLThis is far too automated.rCY

    Fedora Rawhide: for when you want your suffering to arrive via continuous integration.

    And then there's TempleOS, for when you've decided the operating system itself should be part of the experience. Efye


    That's funny. I don't get answers like that from mine.

    Tell us what your interface method is. Are you using
    a microphone ? Or a webcam ? Are you using the single-line
    text input ? I use Notepad and paste rather large
    texts into the single line input, then click the up-arrow
    on the right. I might do about three queries a week,
    all disconnected from one another.

    The other day, I fed it a large amount of text for
    analysis, and it ran out of context and printed
    out an error. That's a setup that has a file input
    dialog, for large texts. The machine eats
    text from a file input, via "chunking". And I could
    actually see, via the status line on the screen,
    that it was doing it via "chunking", until it
    ran out of context to keep the summaries. Eating a
    meal in small bites like that, prevents "instantaneous overload"
    if the entire file of text was fed in through the
    single-line text input.

    Paul
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  • From s|b@me@privacy.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sun Sep 13 18:46:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 12 Sep 2026 20:11:11 GMT, rbowman wrote:

    On Sat, 12 Sep 2026 13:37:28 +0200, s|b wrote:

    There's definitely more than one. When I search my directory of combined news servers I find 1.258 newsgroups with 'linux' in their name.

    Most of which are deader than Kelsey's nuts.

    No doubt. So really not much use in creating yet another one.
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    s|b

    Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae.
    (Julius Caesar)
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  • From Java Jive@java@evij.com.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Mon Sep 14 14:33:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2026-09-10 11:41, Java Jive wrote:

    <https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0DXPV5J1V>

    "The package includes: you will receive 2 pieces of universal toilet
    screws kit, including 2 screws, 2 wing nuts, 6 flat washing machines, 2
    hex nuts, 4 rubber washing machines, 2 cone washing machines, this set
    can meet your requirements"

    Some more online humour, this time intentional ...

    This is the actual product ...

    Harbour Housewares 5-Tier Steel Garage Shelving Units Set - Galvanised <https://www.amazon.co.uk/Harbour-Housewares-5-Tier-Garage-Shelving/dp/B0FC6Q712Z>

    ... and this is the sort of review I wish I'd written, I think he's
    trying to win the Nobel Prize For Literature. Note that his
    inventiveness might even include an appropriate nym, or perhaps that
    much is just coincidence, but anyway what a wonderful line in sarcasm:

    <https://www.amazon.co.uk/portal/customer-reviews/srp/-/RNBHXWJENU2WB/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_rvw_ttl>

    "Sh|ikey64

    1 out of 5 stars

    Avoid at all costs!

    Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 30 July 2026
    Colour Name: GalvanisedSize Name: 75 x 30 x 150cm
    Verified Purchase

    This might genuinely be the worst thing IrCOve ever bought on Amazon, and
    I once accidentally ordered a bag of rCLmystery screws,rCY so thatrCOs saying something. IrCOve built similar items beforerCoproper ones, made of actual materialsrCoand this thing doesnrCOt even pretend to be in the same league. The moment I joined the two side supports (which, for reasons known only
    to the manufacturer, come in 2 flimsy pieces connected by another flimsy piece), I realised IrCOd essentially purchased a wobbly metal
    interpretation of disappointment.

    The instructions? Oh, theyrCOre glorious. They show you the parts, but not
    how they go together, or what orientation anything should be in. ItrCOs
    like they were illustrated by someone whorCOs never seen a shelf, a
    diagram, or possibly even daylight. They list rCLsuggested tools,rCY but unless yourCOve got a screwdriver, a hammer/mallet, and maybe a small
    prayer circle, yourCOre in for a treat.

    The whole thing feels like a science experiment where cheap metal was
    mixed with Play-Doh and then left out in the rain. Once you finally
    wrestle it into something vaguely shelf-shaped, it does technically
    stand uprCojust about. I might put a feather on it. Maybe a single sock. Anything heavier and IrCOm convinced itrCOll collapse out of sheer embarrassment.

    I nearly gave up after five minutes, but apparently you canrCOt return it
    once yourCOve started building it, which is a bold policy for a product
    that disintegrates emotionally as you assemble it. So yes, lesson
    learned: you get what you pay for, and in this case, you get even less.

    9 people found this helpful"
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    Fake news kills!

    I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk

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