• Windows 10 KB5087544 update.

    From John C.@r9jmg0@yahoo.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Thu May 14 05:31:01 2026
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    Just got a notification in my tray that my system needs to reboot in
    order to install an update. I went into Settings/Update & Security and see: _________________________________________________________________________ Restart required
    Your device will restart outside of active hours.

    2026-05 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 22H2 for x64-based
    Systems (KB5087544)
    Status: Pending restart _________________________________________________________________________

    Since I'm running W10 Pro ESU, this is a security update.

    Information about KB5087544 is here:

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/may-12-2026-kb5087544-os-builds-19045-7291-and-19044-7291-579dfaac-2664-45cc-9bd8-e6999fcc8836

    and her:

    https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-releases-windows-10-kb5087544-extended-security-update/

    If you're also running W10 ESU, you'll get this update as well.
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri May 15 00:35:09 2026
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    On 5/14/2026 8:31 PM, John C. wrote:

    2026-05 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 22H2 for x64-based
    Systems (KB5087544)
    Status: Pending restart
    ...
    If you're also running W10 ESU, you'll get this update as well.


    I disabled automatic update. So I needed to maually download it.
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  • From JJ@jj4public@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri May 15 03:20:04 2026
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    On Thu, 14 May 2026 05:31:01 -0700, John C. wrote:
    Just got a notification in my tray that my system needs to reboot in
    order to install an update. I went into Settings/Update & Security and see: _________________________________________________________________________ Restart required
    Your device will restart outside of active hours.

    2026-05 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 22H2 for x64-based
    Systems (KB5087544)
    Status: Pending restart _________________________________________________________________________

    Since I'm running W10 Pro ESU, this is a security update.

    Information about KB5087544 is here:

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/may-12-2026-kb5087544-os-builds-19045-7291-and-19044-7291-579dfaac-2664-45cc-9bd8-e6999fcc8836

    and her:

    https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-releases-windows-10-kb5087544-extended-security-update/

    If you're also running W10 ESU, you'll get this update as well.

    How to undo an update which brick Windows, anyway? In case I need to.

    And is there a way to disable auto-update from within Windows' Recovery Environment? So that the problematic update won't be redownloaded and rescheduled to be applied again after booting to normal mode.
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  • From Hank Rogers@Hank@nospam.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Thu May 14 18:52:00 2026
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    JJ wrote on 5/14/2026 3:20 PM:
    On Thu, 14 May 2026 05:31:01 -0700, John C. wrote:
    Just got a notification in my tray that my system needs to reboot in
    order to install an update. I went into Settings/Update & Security and see: >> _________________________________________________________________________
    Restart required
    Your device will restart outside of active hours.

    2026-05 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 22H2 for x64-based
    Systems (KB5087544)
    Status: Pending restart
    _________________________________________________________________________

    Since I'm running W10 Pro ESU, this is a security update.

    Information about KB5087544 is here:

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/may-12-2026-kb5087544-os-builds-19045-7291-and-19044-7291-579dfaac-2664-45cc-9bd8-e6999fcc8836

    and her:

    https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-releases-windows-10-kb5087544-extended-security-update/

    If you're also running W10 ESU, you'll get this update as well.

    How to undo an update which brick Windows, anyway? In case I need to.

    And is there a way to disable auto-update from within Windows' Recovery Environment? So that the problematic update won't be redownloaded and rescheduled to be applied again after booting to normal mode.


    Consider asking at elevenforum.com. Many knowledgeable and helpful
    folks are there.

    I'm sure they can help much more than this dying usenet group.


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  • From sticks@wolverine01@charter.net to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Thu May 14 20:19:57 2026
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    On 5/14/2026 3:20 PM, JJ wrote:
    On Thu, 14 May 2026 05:31:01 -0700, John C. wrote:
    Just got a notification in my tray that my system needs to reboot in
    order to install an update. I went into Settings/Update & Security and see: >> _________________________________________________________________________
    Restart required
    Your device will restart outside of active hours.

    2026-05 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 22H2 for x64-based
    Systems (KB5087544)
    Status: Pending restart
    _________________________________________________________________________

    Since I'm running W10 Pro ESU, this is a security update.

    Information about KB5087544 is here:

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/may-12-2026-kb5087544-os-builds-19045-7291-and-19044-7291-579dfaac-2664-45cc-9bd8-e6999fcc8836

    and her:

    https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-releases-windows-10-kb5087544-extended-security-update/

    If you're also running W10 ESU, you'll get this update as well.

    How to undo an update which brick Windows, anyway? In case I need to.

    And is there a way to disable auto-update from within Windows' Recovery Environment? So that the problematic update won't be redownloaded and rescheduled to be applied again after booting to normal mode.

    <https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/4043343/how-to-prevent-remove-a-specific-update-from-tryin>

    You can also try the tool mentioned here

    <https://community.spiceworks.com/t/how-do-i-prevent-a-specific-windows-update-from-installing/733185>
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Thu May 14 23:04:40 2026
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    On Thu, 5/14/2026 4:20 PM, JJ wrote:
    On Thu, 14 May 2026 05:31:01 -0700, John C. wrote:
    Just got a notification in my tray that my system needs to reboot in
    order to install an update. I went into Settings/Update & Security and see: >> _________________________________________________________________________
    Restart required
    Your device will restart outside of active hours.

    2026-05 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 22H2 for x64-based
    Systems (KB5087544)
    Status: Pending restart
    _________________________________________________________________________

    Since I'm running W10 Pro ESU, this is a security update.

    Information about KB5087544 is here:

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/may-12-2026-kb5087544-os-builds-19045-7291-and-19044-7291-579dfaac-2664-45cc-9bd8-e6999fcc8836

    and her:

    https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-releases-windows-10-kb5087544-extended-security-update/

    If you're also running W10 ESU, you'll get this update as well.

    How to undo an update which brick Windows, anyway? In case I need to.

    And is there a way to disable auto-update from within Windows' Recovery Environment? So that the problematic update won't be redownloaded and rescheduled to be applied again after booting to normal mode.


    When you disconnect the network cable, that reduces the incentive to be installing updates.

    *******

    wusa /uninstall /kb:4539601 /quiet # maybe that removes a completed Windows Update

    For an in-flight update that is not booting, you can use your installer DVD (for the command prompt in troubleshooting), and use

    DISM /image:c:\ /cleanup-image /revertpendingactions

    For removal of a package while booted from the installer DVD (troubleshooting, cmd prompt),
    the format of the command is similar to this.

    DISM /image:c:\ /remove-package /packagename: etc. command.

    which would require some work to determine a sufficient syntax.

    *******

    This is an old method, and since USO was added, USO likely has something
    to say about disabling updates.

    https://4sysops.com/archives/disable-windows-update-in-windows-10/

    Windows 10 - disable Windows Update

    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\Auto Update\AUOptions

    If you set AUOptions to 1, Windows 10 will never check for updates.

    Write-Host "1 -> Never check for updates (not recommended)"
    Write-Host "2 -> Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them"
    Write-Host "3 -> Download updates but let me choose whether to install them"
    Write-Host "4 -> Install updates automatically (recommended)"

    *******
    # The scheduled tasks mentioned here, are likely running at system startup, early on.
    # They could be the three command prompt windows that flash open and then disappear.

    The script performs the following actions to disable automatic updates:

    Disables the Windows Update Service (wuauserv).
    Disables the Update Orchestrator Service (UsoSvc).
    Disables the Windows Update Medic Service (WaaSMedicSvc).
    Disables all update-related scheduled tasks.
    Applies registry changes to prevent auto-updates.

    The purpose of things such as the Scheduled Tasks, is to
    undo the other conditions, if they are discovered.

    *******
    The problem with things like the following, is they do not
    necessarily last forever.
    *******

    Using the Registry Editor

    (Works on all editions, including Windows 11 Home)

    Steps:

    Press Win + R, type regedit, and hit Enter (you might need admin approval).

    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows
    WindowsUpdate
    AU
    NoAutoUpdate DWORD32 1

    https://sp-ao.shortpixel.ai/client/to_auto,q_glossy,ret_img,w_833/https://naplestech.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/registry-noautoupdate.png

    *******

    Disable driver updates.

    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows
    WindowsUpdate
    ExcludeWUDriversInQualityUpdate DWORD32 1

    Paul


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  • From John C.@r9jmg0@yahoo.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri May 15 03:18:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    John C. wrote:

    2026-05 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 22H2 for x64-based
    Systems (KB5087544)
    Status: Pending restart
    ...
    If you're also running W10 ESU, you'll get this update as well.

    I disabled automatic update. So I needed to maually download it.

    Disabling AU if you're on ESU is definitely a bad idea IMO. If you're
    not on ESU, then I perfectly understand why you would do that.
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  • From John C.@r9jmg0@yahoo.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri May 15 03:21:34 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 26/05/14 01:20 PM, JJ wrote:
    On Thu, 14 May 2026 05:31:01 -0700, John C. wrote:
    Just got a notification in my tray that my system needs to reboot in
    order to install an update. I went into Settings/Update & Security and see: >> _________________________________________________________________________
    Restart required
    Your device will restart outside of active hours.

    2026-05 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 22H2 for x64-based
    Systems (KB5087544)
    Status: Pending restart
    _________________________________________________________________________

    Since I'm running W10 Pro ESU, this is a security update.

    Information about KB5087544 is here:

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/may-12-2026-kb5087544-os-builds-19045-7291-and-19044-7291-579dfaac-2664-45cc-9bd8-e6999fcc8836

    and her:

    https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-releases-windows-10-kb5087544-extended-security-update/

    If you're also running W10 ESU, you'll get this update as well.

    How to undo an update which brick Windows, anyway? In case I need to.

    And is there a way to disable auto-update from within Windows' Recovery Environment? So that the problematic update won't be redownloaded and rescheduled to be applied again after booting to normal mode.

    Hopefully you have a Restore Point that was set before the update is
    installed. Then you could go offline by turning off your cable modem
    and-or router, boot into a Safe Mode and go back to that point before
    the update was installed.

    I had to do this recently and it saved me from all kinds of problems.
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri May 15 12:13:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2026/5/15 11:18:6, John C. wrote:
    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    John C. wrote:

    2026-05 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 22H2 for x64-based
    Systems (KB5087544)
    Status: Pending restart
    ...
    If you're also running W10 ESU, you'll get this update as well.

    I disabled automatic update. So I needed to maually download it.

    Disabling AU if you're on ESU is definitely a bad idea IMO. If you're
    not on ESU, then I perfectly understand why you would do that.

    I'm on ESU and I haven't disabled AU, but why would you say that is a
    bad idea?
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    I will let you know.
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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri May 15 15:48:01 2026
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    Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 5/14/2026 4:20 PM, JJ wrote:
    [...]
    How to undo an update which brick Windows, anyway? In case I need to.

    And is there a way to disable auto-update from within Windows' Recovery Environment? So that the problematic update won't be redownloaded and rescheduled to be applied again after booting to normal mode.

    When you disconnect the network cable, that reduces the incentive to be installing updates.

    While this thread is about Windows 10, this might still apply:

    Many systems, notably laptops, do not have network cables and often
    cannot have them and often their Wi-Fi can not be turned off while
    booting. So that leaves turning off the (modem/)router, which may or may
    not be practical.

    [Rest of useful advice deleted.]
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat May 16 00:36:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 5/15/2026 6:18 PM, John C. wrote:

    Disabling AU if you're on ESU is definitely a bad idea IMO. If you're
    not on ESU, then I perfectly understand why you would do that.


    I am on ESU and I believe turning off AU is not a bad idea at all. :)
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  • From MikeS@MikeS@fred.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri May 15 21:40:32 2026
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    On 15/05/2026 16:48, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 5/14/2026 4:20 PM, JJ wrote:
    [...]
    How to undo an update which brick Windows, anyway? In case I need to.

    And is there a way to disable auto-update from within Windows' Recovery
    Environment? So that the problematic update won't be redownloaded and
    rescheduled to be applied again after booting to normal mode.

    When you disconnect the network cable, that reduces the incentive to be
    installing updates.

    While this thread is about Windows 10, this might still apply:

    Many systems, notably laptops, do not have network cables and often
    cannot have them and often their Wi-Fi can not be turned off while
    booting. So that leaves turning off the (modem/)router, which may or may
    not be practical.

    [Rest of useful advice deleted.]

    Better solution: keep your WiFi connection permanently set to "metered connection" unless/until you want to let Windows do its updates.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri May 15 16:59:56 2026
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    On Fri, 5/15/2026 11:48 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 5/14/2026 4:20 PM, JJ wrote:
    [...]
    How to undo an update which brick Windows, anyway? In case I need to.

    And is there a way to disable auto-update from within Windows' Recovery
    Environment? So that the problematic update won't be redownloaded and
    rescheduled to be applied again after booting to normal mode.

    When you disconnect the network cable, that reduces the incentive to be
    installing updates.

    While this thread is about Windows 10, this might still apply:

    Many systems, notably laptops, do not have network cables and often
    cannot have them and often their Wi-Fi can not be turned off while
    booting. So that leaves turning off the (modem/)router, which may or may
    not be practical.

    [Rest of useful advice deleted.]


    If you were at Michael Faradays house, this would not be a problem.

    Just carry the laptop into your walk-in Faraday cage.

    https://addpmp.slamjam.com/media/pages/posts/faraday-cage/2833558535-1642607069/faraday-cage-1920x.jpg

    The Physics building, in the basement, had a few of these. Plain copper screen type.

    At my house, there has never been a wireless router. The laptop
    is always in Airplane Mode, and the laptop gets an Ethernet
    cable like all the rest, when being used (on the kitchen table).
    There's no room on my desk for the laptop. The Wifi LED on the
    laptop, goes out when the OS has booted.

    Any Wifi experiments here, between desktops, are done point-to-point
    without a router. Which is... a lot slower. I did a Miracast that way.
    The adapters are all unplugged at the moment, as are the Bluetooth (nano) adapters.
    The Bluetooth ones are on USB cable extensions, for adjusting
    line-of-sight reception. I had some problems initially with
    transmission, because a Nano too close to a metal desktop, isn't
    all that good. They work a little better if away from the
    casing a bit.

    Paul
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  • From Hank Rogers@Hank@nospam.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri May 15 16:13:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    Paul wrote on 5/15/2026 3:59 PM:
    On Fri, 5/15/2026 11:48 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 5/14/2026 4:20 PM, JJ wrote:
    [...]
    How to undo an update which brick Windows, anyway? In case I need to.

    And is there a way to disable auto-update from within Windows' Recovery >>>> Environment? So that the problematic update won't be redownloaded and
    rescheduled to be applied again after booting to normal mode.

    When you disconnect the network cable, that reduces the incentive to be
    installing updates.

    While this thread is about Windows 10, this might still apply:

    Many systems, notably laptops, do not have network cables and often
    cannot have them and often their Wi-Fi can not be turned off while
    booting. So that leaves turning off the (modem/)router, which may or may
    not be practical.

    [Rest of useful advice deleted.]


    If you were at Michael Faradays house, this would not be a problem.

    Just carry the laptop into your walk-in Faraday cage.

    https://addpmp.slamjam.com/media/pages/posts/faraday-cage/2833558535-1642607069/faraday-cage-1920x.jpg

    The Physics building, in the basement, had a few of these. Plain copper screen type.

    At my house, there has never been a wireless router. The laptop
    is always in Airplane Mode, and the laptop gets an Ethernet
    cable like all the rest, when being used (on the kitchen table).
    There's no room on my desk for the laptop. The Wifi LED on the
    laptop, goes out when the OS has booted.

    Any Wifi experiments here, between desktops, are done point-to-point
    without a router. Which is... a lot slower. I did a Miracast that way.
    The adapters are all unplugged at the moment, as are the Bluetooth (nano) adapters.
    The Bluetooth ones are on USB cable extensions, for adjusting
    line-of-sight reception. I had some problems initially with
    transmission, because a Nano too close to a metal desktop, isn't
    all that good. They work a little better if away from the
    casing a bit.

    Paul


    I gave up on bluetooth long ago. It's just WAAY too half-assed to
    depend on.

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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri May 15 18:05:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Fri, 5/15/2026 5:13 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Paul wrote on 5/15/2026 3:59 PM:
    On Fri, 5/15/2026 11:48 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 5/14/2026 4:20 PM, JJ wrote:
    [...]
    How to undo an update which brick Windows, anyway? In case I need to. >>>>>
    And is there a way to disable auto-update from within Windows' Recovery >>>>> Environment? So that the problematic update won't be redownloaded and >>>>> rescheduled to be applied again after booting to normal mode.

    When you disconnect the network cable, that reduces the incentive to be >>>> installing updates.

    -a-a While this thread is about Windows 10, this might still apply:
    -a-a -a-a Many systems, notably laptops, do not have network cables and often
    cannot have them and often their Wi-Fi can not be turned off while
    booting. So that leaves turning off the (modem/)router, which may or may >>> not be practical.

    [Rest of useful advice deleted.]


    If you were at Michael Faradays house, this would not be a problem.

    Just carry the laptop into your walk-in Faraday cage.

    -a-a-a https://addpmp.slamjam.com/media/pages/posts/faraday-cage/2833558535-1642607069/faraday-cage-1920x.jpg

    The Physics building, in the basement, had a few of these. Plain copper screen type.

    At my house, there has never been a wireless router. The laptop
    is always in Airplane Mode, and the laptop gets an Ethernet
    cable like all the rest, when being used (on the kitchen table).
    There's no room on my desk for the laptop. The Wifi LED on the
    laptop, goes out when the OS has booted.

    Any Wifi experiments here, between desktops, are done point-to-point
    without a router. Which is... a lot slower. I did a Miracast that way.
    The adapters are all unplugged at the moment, as are the Bluetooth (nano) adapters.
    The Bluetooth ones are on USB cable extensions, for adjusting
    line-of-sight reception. I had some problems initially with
    transmission, because a Nano too close to a metal desktop, isn't
    all that good. They work a little better if away from the
    casing a bit.

    -a-a-a Paul


    I gave up on bluetooth long ago.-a It's just WAAY too half-assed to depend on.


    What's cool now, is you can run a TCP/IP stack across Bluetooth.
    I never thought I'd see the day where they finished that.
    But it works now. 75KB/sec or so :-) One bit of minor amusement,
    is Microsoft cannot seem to measure the bandwidth across it
    properly, so some displays show 4X the rate of others. Maybe
    they've fixed that by now.

    On a remote machine then, you could web surf over Bluetooth, but
    it would likely take an hour for a web page to load.

    The setup of that profile, is not automatic or anything.
    You'll have to think about it for a moment, to figure out
    which control panel exposes it for you.

    I don't know what the "purpose" of Bluetooth is, but it is
    certainly the source of lots of "Bar Bets" and demos. But
    not practically useful. If I want audio, the sound is a
    lot better if I use a copper wire.

    Paul
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  • From John C.@r9jmg0@yahoo.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri May 15 22:42:34 2026
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    J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    John C. wrote:
    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    John C. wrote:

    2026-05 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 22H2 for x64-based
    Systems (KB5087544)
    Status: Pending restart
    ...
    If you're also running W10 ESU, you'll get this update as well.

    I disabled automatic update. So I needed to maually download it.

    Disabling AU if you're on ESU is definitely a bad idea IMO. If you're
    not on ESU, then I perfectly understand why you would do that.

    I'm on ESU and I haven't disabled AU, but why would you say that is a
    bad idea?

    Since your device is enrolled in the paid Extended Security Updates
    (ESU) program, updates must be downloaded and installed through the
    automated Windows Update mechanism. If you turn off the update service,
    your machine will remain vulnerable to new threats.
    --
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  • From John C.@r9jmg0@yahoo.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri May 15 22:44:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    John C. wrote:

    Disabling AU if you're on ESU is definitely a bad idea IMO. If you're
    not on ESU, then I perfectly understand why you would do that.

    I am on ESU and I believe turning off AU is not a bad idea at all. :)

    Since your device is enrolled in the paid Extended Security Updates
    (ESU) program, updates must be downloaded and installed through the
    automated Windows Update mechanism. If you turn off the update service,
    your machine will remain vulnerable to new threats. Or am I missing
    something? The whole point to the ESU program is to help keep W10 secure.
    --
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    makes this newsgroup easier to read & more on-topic. Take back the tech companies from India & industry from China.

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  • From John C.@r9jmg0@yahoo.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Fri May 15 23:04:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    JJ wrote:
    John C. wrote:
    Just got a notification in my tray that my system needs to reboot in
    order to install an update. I went into Settings/Update & Security and see: >> _________________________________________________________________________
    Restart required
    Your device will restart outside of active hours.

    2026-05 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 22H2 for x64-based
    Systems (KB5087544)
    Status: Pending restart
    _________________________________________________________________________

    Since I'm running W10 Pro ESU, this is a security update.

    Information about KB5087544 is here:

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/may-12-2026-kb5087544-os-builds-19045-7291-and-19044-7291-579dfaac-2664-45cc-9bd8-e6999fcc8836

    and her:

    https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-releases-windows-10-kb5087544-extended-security-update/

    If you're also running W10 ESU, you'll get this update as well.

    How to undo an update which brick Windows, anyway? In case I need to.

    And is there a way to disable auto-update from within Windows' Recovery Environment? So that the problematic update won't be redownloaded and rescheduled to be applied again after booting to normal mode.

    Conversation I just had with Gemini (and I actually have used this tool
    - it works):

    I asked:
    In W10, what is the best way to prevent a problematic update from
    being installed? That is, once you've dealt with the issues and also
    removed the update, how can you prevent it from being reinstalled?

    Gemini replied:
    Once yourCOve successfully removed a problematic update from Windows
    10, the OS will immediately want to download and reinstall it the next
    time it checks for updates. Because Windows 10 Home and Pro don't allow
    you to simply "uncheck" an update from a list like older versions of
    Windows did, you have to use a specific workaround.
    The Best Graphical Way (Microsoft's "Show or Hide Updates" Tool) -
    Microsoft created a standalone, official troubleshooting tool called wushowhide.diagcab. It works by scanning for pending updates and
    allowing you to "hide" the one causing issues so Windows Update ignores it.

    To use it:

    Step 1: Pause Windows Update (Crucial) - Before running the tool, you
    need to make sure Windows doesn't sneakily reinstall the update while
    you are trying to block it.
    a. Go to Settings > Update & Security > Windows Update.
    b. Click Pause updates for 7 days.

    Step 2: Run the Tool
    a. Download the tool directly from Microsoft's servers: https://download.microsoft.com/download/f/2/2/f22d5fdb-59cd-4275-8c95-1be17bf70b21/wushowhide.diagcab
    b. Open the file and click Next.
    c. Click Hide updates.

    The tool will display a list of pending updates. Find the specific
    update or driver (look for its KB number) that you just uninstalled,
    check the box next to it, and click Next.

    d. Close the tool.

    Step 3: Resume Updates - Go back to your Windows Update settings and
    click Resume updates. The troublesome update will now be completely
    bypassed.

    Note: If you ever want to install that update in the future (perhaps
    after Microsoft releases a fix), just run the tool again, choose Show
    hidden updates, and uncheck it.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat May 16 04:13:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Sat, 5/16/2026 2:04 AM, John C. wrote:
    JJ wrote:
    John C. wrote:
    Just got a notification in my tray that my system needs to reboot in
    order to install an update. I went into Settings/Update & Security and see: >>> _________________________________________________________________________ >>> Restart required
    Your device will restart outside of active hours.

    2026-05 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 22H2 for x64-based
    Systems (KB5087544)
    Status: Pending restart
    _________________________________________________________________________ >>>
    Since I'm running W10 Pro ESU, this is a security update.

    Information about KB5087544 is here:

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/may-12-2026-kb5087544-os-builds-19045-7291-and-19044-7291-579dfaac-2664-45cc-9bd8-e6999fcc8836

    and her:

    https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-releases-windows-10-kb5087544-extended-security-update/

    If you're also running W10 ESU, you'll get this update as well.

    How to undo an update which brick Windows, anyway? In case I need to.

    And is there a way to disable auto-update from within Windows' Recovery
    Environment? So that the problematic update won't be redownloaded and
    rescheduled to be applied again after booting to normal mode.

    Conversation I just had with Gemini (and I actually have used this tool
    - it works):

    I asked:
    In W10, what is the best way to prevent a problematic update from
    being installed? That is, once you've dealt with the issues and also
    removed the update, how can you prevent it from being reinstalled?

    Gemini replied:
    Once yourCOve successfully removed a problematic update from Windows
    10, the OS will immediately want to download and reinstall it the next
    time it checks for updates. Because Windows 10 Home and Pro don't allow
    you to simply "uncheck" an update from a list like older versions of
    Windows did, you have to use a specific workaround.
    The Best Graphical Way (Microsoft's "Show or Hide Updates" Tool) - Microsoft created a standalone, official troubleshooting tool called wushowhide.diagcab. It works by scanning for pending updates and
    allowing you to "hide" the one causing issues so Windows Update ignores it.

    To use it:

    Step 1: Pause Windows Update (Crucial) - Before running the tool, you
    need to make sure Windows doesn't sneakily reinstall the update while
    you are trying to block it.
    a. Go to Settings > Update & Security > Windows Update.
    b. Click Pause updates for 7 days.

    Step 2: Run the Tool
    a. Download the tool directly from Microsoft's servers: https://download.microsoft.com/download/f/2/2/f22d5fdb-59cd-4275-8c95-1be17bf70b21/wushowhide.diagcab
    b. Open the file and click Next.
    c. Click Hide updates.

    The tool will display a list of pending updates. Find the specific
    update or driver (look for its KB number) that you just uninstalled,
    check the box next to it, and click Next.

    d. Close the tool.

    Step 3: Resume Updates - Go back to your Windows Update settings and
    click Resume updates. The troublesome update will now be completely
    bypassed.

    Note: If you ever want to install that update in the future (perhaps
    after Microsoft releases a fix), just run the tool again, choose Show
    hidden updates, and uncheck it.


    As I understand it (could be wrong):

    Updates have version numbers, the versions are hidden, the
    wushowhide is only going to block one version.

    KB890830 Version 51
    KB890830 Version 52

    You would want to block one of the recurring ones, and see if
    they keep coming in.

    Looking in your History on the WU page of "Settings", should give
    you some Recurring candidates for test.

    Another example of a tool. But these things come and go, as the OS
    already has attempts at multiple levels of protection for Windows Update.
    I haven't tested this, and do not know what side effects it might cause.

    https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/windows_update_minitool.html

    Paul
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  • From MikeS@MikeS@fred.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat May 16 09:43:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 16/05/2026 06:44, John C. wrote:
    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    John C. wrote:

    Disabling AU if you're on ESU is definitely a bad idea IMO. If you're
    not on ESU, then I perfectly understand why you would do that.

    I am on ESU and I believe turning off AU is not a bad idea at all. :)

    Since your device is enrolled in the paid Extended Security Updates
    (ESU) program, updates must be downloaded and installed through the
    automated Windows Update mechanism. If you turn off the update service,
    your machine will remain vulnerable to new threats. Or am I missing something? The whole point to the ESU program is to help keep W10 secure.

    Multiple versions of the KB5087544 update are available to download from
    the Microsoft Update Catalogue. https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB5087544
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat May 16 05:24:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Sat, 5/16/2026 4:43 AM, MikeS wrote:
    On 16/05/2026 06:44, John C. wrote:
    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    John C. wrote:

    Disabling AU if you're on ESU is definitely a bad idea IMO. If you're
    not on ESU, then I perfectly understand why you would do that.

    I am on ESU and I believe turning off AU is not a bad idea at all. :)

    Since your device is enrolled in the paid Extended Security Updates
    (ESU) program, updates must be downloaded and installed through the
    automated Windows Update mechanism. If you turn off the update service,
    your machine will remain vulnerable to new threats. Or am I missing
    something? The whole point to the ESU program is to help keep W10 secure.

    Multiple versions of the KB5087544 update are available to download from the Microsoft Update Catalogue.
    https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB5087544

    It's Secure Boot materials, so could be related to PCA2011 and PCA2023.

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/may-12-2026-kb5087544-os-builds-19045-7291-and-19044-7291-579dfaac-2664-45cc-9bd8-e6999fcc8836

    If your machine is Secure Booted, then it could eventually stop if
    the maintenance activity for it isn't finished.

    Things like this, try to run on my 4th gen (4930K) Test Machine with
    no TPM, attestation only for version 1 of a TPM, so there is
    likely a place for MOK, DB, DBX... storage in the UEFI BIOS.
    Attempting to do such maintenance on the machine, is on the
    off-chance, a miracle happens, a TPM 2.0 is connected (BIOS
    does not support it), Attestation for version 2 of TPM is available
    (BIOS does not support it), so all this fuss is for nothing really.
    The machine has neither TPM nor fTPM nor NVMe nor NVMe driver in UEFI.
    It's an old machine, with a lot of PCIe lanes (42 or so), and
    eight sticks of RAM (quad channel).

    The PCA2011 can be removed or it can expire based on the end-date
    of the certificate. This might be part of "Black Lotus"?

    If I were to run Ubuntu on the Test Machine, it would pick
    at a scab in the certificates as well. And just seeing various
    notifications right after Ubuntu boot, annoys the hell out of me. I DO NOT
    like OSes fucking with that stuff, as my greatest fear is they
    brick a machine with all that enthusiasm they've got. This is one
    reason regular usage of Ubuntu is not allowed here. It used to
    try to run MOKutil at boot, tell you it was updating one thing...
    when in fact it was updating or doing two things.

    Paul
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  • From J. P. Gilliver@G6JPG@255soft.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat May 16 15:18:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2026/5/16 6:42:34, John C. wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    John C. wrote:
    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    John C. wrote:

    2026-05 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 22H2 for x64-based>>>>> Systems (KB5087544)
    Status: Pending restart
    ...
    If you're also running W10 ESU, you'll get this update as well.

    I disabled automatic update. So I needed to maually download it.

    Disabling AU if you're on ESU is definitely a bad idea IMO. If you're>>> not on ESU, then I perfectly understand why you would do that.

    I'm on ESU and I haven't disabled AU, but why would you say that is a
    bad idea?

    Since your device is enrolled in the paid Extended Security Updates
    (ESU) program, updates must be downloaded and installed through the
    automated Windows Update mechanism. If you turn off the update service,> your machine will remain vulnerable to new threats.

    I'm not paying anything. I joined ESU using the method mentioned here
    (though I believe shortly after I did, it was made widely available anyway).
    --
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat May 16 13:21:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Sat, 5/16/2026 10:18 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2026/5/16 6:42:34, John C. wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    John C. wrote:
    Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    John C. wrote:

    2026-05 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 22H2 for x64-based >>>>>> Systems (KB5087544)
    Status: Pending restart
    ...
    If you're also running W10 ESU, you'll get this update as well.

    I disabled automatic update. So I needed to maually download it.

    Disabling AU if you're on ESU is definitely a bad idea IMO. If you're
    not on ESU, then I perfectly understand why you would do that.

    I'm on ESU and I haven't disabled AU, but why would you say that is a
    bad idea?

    Since your device is enrolled in the paid Extended Security Updates
    (ESU) program, updates must be downloaded and installed through the
    automated Windows Update mechanism. If you turn off the update service,
    your machine will remain vulnerable to new threats.

    I'm not paying anything. I joined ESU using the method mentioned here
    (though I believe shortly after I did, it was made widely available anyway).

    No, it's not widely available. After you did yours, Microsoft may have
    plugged or partially plugged the hole :-)

    Where it may have been "widely available", was in the EU :-)
    There was some deal in the news about it. My reception filters
    are custom tuned to ignore regional foolishness. If California
    wants me to type in extra personal information so I can use
    any software here at all, then fuck them. I'm not interested
    in disgorging the political policies of Togo here on a daily basis,
    or "other backwaters" for that matter. Are we to be ruled by
    eccentrics who haven't thought things through ? And you know
    what the answer to *that* is.

    Paul


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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat May 16 18:19:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> wrote:
    On 15/05/2026 16:48, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 5/14/2026 4:20 PM, JJ wrote:
    [...]
    How to undo an update which brick Windows, anyway? In case I need to.

    And is there a way to disable auto-update from within Windows' Recovery >>> Environment? So that the problematic update won't be redownloaded and
    rescheduled to be applied again after booting to normal mode.

    When you disconnect the network cable, that reduces the incentive to be
    installing updates.

    While this thread is about Windows 10, this might still apply:

    Many systems, notably laptops, do not have network cables and often cannot have them and often their Wi-Fi can not be turned off while
    booting. So that leaves turning off the (modem/)router, which may or may not be practical.

    [Rest of useful advice deleted.]

    Better solution: keep your WiFi connection permanently set to "metered connection" unless/until you want to let Windows do its updates.

    Yes, I did that on our extended holidays (upto three months at a
    time), when I didn't want to waste expensive mobile data on Windows
    updates (and didn't want to be bothered by them). I also set the
    bandwidth setting to their minimum value and paused the updates. That
    shut them up! :-)
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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat May 16 18:38:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Paul wrote on 5/15/2026 3:59 PM:
    [...]

    At my house, there has never been a wireless router. The laptop
    is always in Airplane Mode, and the laptop gets an Ethernet
    cable like all the rest, when being used (on the kitchen table).
    There's no room on my desk for the laptop. The Wifi LED on the
    laptop, goes out when the OS has booted.

    Any Wifi experiments here, between desktops, are done point-to-point without a router. Which is... a lot slower. I did a Miracast that way.
    The adapters are all unplugged at the moment, as are the Bluetooth (nano) adapters.
    The Bluetooth ones are on USB cable extensions, for adjusting
    line-of-sight reception. I had some problems initially with
    transmission, because a Nano too close to a metal desktop, isn't
    all that good. They work a little better if away from the
    casing a bit.

    I gave up on bluetooth long ago. It's just WAAY too half-assed to
    depend on.

    Indeed, especially if one or both sides do not have a display/keyboard
    to allow/setup the connection. Example: A headset and a Bluetooth
    transmitter. The headphone often connects to another, unwanted, source,
    because it just happens to see that earlier/closer/<whatever>. :-( Sigh!

    The only positive example/use I have is a 'nearby share' between
    computer and smartphone and between smartphones.

    I use Samsung's/Google's 'QuickShare' between my Windows laptop and my Android smartphone and between our (my and my wife's) smartphones to
    quickly share files/folders. So no need to use an USB cable. (Between
    our computers, I just use Windows file sharing.)

    I believe QuickShare only uses Bluetooth to find the other nearby
    device and then uses the normal network (Wi-Fi/mobile) to do the actual transfer. For me, it is just one of these few 'It just works!'
    facilities.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat May 16 16:12:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Sat, 5/16/2026 2:38 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Paul wrote on 5/15/2026 3:59 PM:
    [...]

    At my house, there has never been a wireless router. The laptop
    is always in Airplane Mode, and the laptop gets an Ethernet
    cable like all the rest, when being used (on the kitchen table).
    There's no room on my desk for the laptop. The Wifi LED on the
    laptop, goes out when the OS has booted.

    Any Wifi experiments here, between desktops, are done point-to-point
    without a router. Which is... a lot slower. I did a Miracast that way.
    The adapters are all unplugged at the moment, as are the Bluetooth (nano) adapters.
    The Bluetooth ones are on USB cable extensions, for adjusting
    line-of-sight reception. I had some problems initially with
    transmission, because a Nano too close to a metal desktop, isn't
    all that good. They work a little better if away from the
    casing a bit.

    I gave up on bluetooth long ago. It's just WAAY too half-assed to
    depend on.

    Indeed, especially if one or both sides do not have a display/keyboard
    to allow/setup the connection. Example: A headset and a Bluetooth transmitter. The headphone often connects to another, unwanted, source, because it just happens to see that earlier/closer/<whatever>. :-( Sigh!

    The only positive example/use I have is a 'nearby share' between
    computer and smartphone and between smartphones.

    I use Samsung's/Google's 'QuickShare' between my Windows laptop and my Android smartphone and between our (my and my wife's) smartphones to
    quickly share files/folders. So no need to use an USB cable. (Between
    our computers, I just use Windows file sharing.)

    I believe QuickShare only uses Bluetooth to find the other nearby
    device and then uses the normal network (Wi-Fi/mobile) to do the actual transfer. For me, it is just one of these few 'It just works!'
    facilities.


    I nominate you Bluetooth Ambassador for the group :-)

    CoPilot says:

    "No. Windows does not include Samsung Quick Share or Google Quick Share as native OS features.

    They are provided as separate apps:

    Samsung Quick Share for Windows (from Microsoft Store).
    Supported on Windows 10 version 2004+ and Windows 11.

    Google Quick Share for Windows (downloaded from Google)
    Works on Windows 10 and Windows 11.

    https://support.google.com/android/answer/13801258

    Both rely on Bluetooth + WirCaFi Direct for discovery and transfer."

    Which suggests it doesn't go through your Wifi router and
    may use the slower Wifi transfer method (which is a lot faster
    than Bluetooth in any case).

    The Windows motto is:

    "It works... if you spend all morning on it"

    If you are not a lather of sweat from the effort,
    then "you haven't earned it".

    It would be interesting to see if you could do this.

    -------- Bluetooth -------
    +------- Wifi-Direct ------+
    | |
    x86-PC x86-PC
    W10 W10
    Goog-QS Goog-QS

    Paul

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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sat May 16 16:33:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Sat, 5/16/2026 2:38 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Paul wrote on 5/15/2026 3:59 PM:
    [...]

    At my house, there has never been a wireless router. The laptop
    is always in Airplane Mode, and the laptop gets an Ethernet
    cable like all the rest, when being used (on the kitchen table).
    There's no room on my desk for the laptop. The Wifi LED on the
    laptop, goes out when the OS has booted.

    Any Wifi experiments here, between desktops, are done point-to-point
    without a router. Which is... a lot slower. I did a Miracast that way.
    The adapters are all unplugged at the moment, as are the Bluetooth (nano) adapters.
    The Bluetooth ones are on USB cable extensions, for adjusting
    line-of-sight reception. I had some problems initially with
    transmission, because a Nano too close to a metal desktop, isn't
    all that good. They work a little better if away from the
    casing a bit.

    I gave up on bluetooth long ago. It's just WAAY too half-assed to
    depend on.

    Indeed, especially if one or both sides do not have a display/keyboard
    to allow/setup the connection. Example: A headset and a Bluetooth transmitter. The headphone often connects to another, unwanted, source, because it just happens to see that earlier/closer/<whatever>. :-( Sigh!

    The only positive example/use I have is a 'nearby share' between
    computer and smartphone and between smartphones.

    I use Samsung's/Google's 'QuickShare' between my Windows laptop and my Android smartphone and between our (my and my wife's) smartphones to
    quickly share files/folders. So no need to use an USB cable. (Between
    our computers, I just use Windows file sharing.)

    I believe QuickShare only uses Bluetooth to find the other nearby
    device and then uses the normal network (Wi-Fi/mobile) to do the actual transfer. For me, it is just one of these few 'It just works!'
    facilities.


    There is also a

    Settings : System : Nearby Sharing

    which I haven't used.

    There is bound to be a catch in there, somewhere.

    Paul
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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sun May 17 18:05:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 5/16/2026 2:38 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    [...]
    I gave up on bluetooth long ago. It's just WAAY too half-assed to
    depend on.

    Indeed, especially if one or both sides do not have a display/keyboard
    to allow/setup the connection. Example: A headset and a Bluetooth transmitter. The headphone often connects to another, unwanted, source, because it just happens to see that earlier/closer/<whatever>. :-( Sigh!

    The only positive example/use I have is a 'nearby share' between
    computer and smartphone and between smartphones.

    I use Samsung's/Google's 'QuickShare' between my Windows laptop and my Android smartphone and between our (my and my wife's) smartphones to quickly share files/folders. So no need to use an USB cable. (Between
    our computers, I just use Windows file sharing.)

    I believe QuickShare only uses Bluetooth to find the other nearby
    device and then uses the normal network (Wi-Fi/mobile) to do the actual transfer. For me, it is just one of these few 'It just works!'
    facilities.

    I nominate you Bluetooth Ambassador for the group :-)

    Well, I'm quite slow as well, so that Ambassadorship is quite fitting!

    CoPilot says:

    "No. Windows does not include Samsung Quick Share or Google Quick Share as native OS features.

    They are provided as separate apps:

    Samsung Quick Share for Windows (from Microsoft Store).
    Supported on Windows 10 version 2004+ and Windows 11.

    Google Quick Share for Windows (downloaded from Google)
    Works on Windows 10 and Windows 11.

    https://support.google.com/android/answer/13801258

    Both rely on Bluetooth + Wi?Fi Direct for discovery and transfer."

    Which suggests it doesn't go through your Wifi router and
    may use the slower Wifi transfer method (which is a lot faster
    than Bluetooth in any case).

    I think CoPilot is hallucinating or at least not telling the full
    picture, because the Help of the Windows Quick Share program says

    "Connect to the same Wi-Fi

    Make sure that your computer and the device that you want
    to share with are connected to the same Wi-Fi network"

    which implies that at least for a computer<-->smartphone connection, it
    is *not* using Wi-Fi Direct.

    The Windows motto is:

    "It works... if you spend all morning on it"

    If you are not a lather of sweat from the effort,
    then "you haven't earned it".

    The story of my life since the November Windows Update updates! :-(

    It would be interesting to see if you could do this.

    -------- Bluetooth -------
    +------- Wifi-Direct ------+
    | |
    x86-PC x86-PC
    W10 W10
    Goog-QS Goog-QS

    If I have the time, I will try, but don't hold your breath.

    I think it is *not* possible, because the Settings of the Windows
    Quick Share program says

    "Device visibility

    Only devices nearby that are signed into <my Google account> can share
    with this device."

    but another Windows computer is not signed into a *Google* account, but
    only into a local account or a Microsoft Account. (Of course the
    (Google) Chrome *browser* can be sinned into a Google account, but
    that's a/the browser, not the OS/system.)
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  • From Frank Slootweg@this@ddress.is.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sun May 17 18:19:40 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 5/16/2026 2:38 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

    [About 'Quick Share' on Windows and Android.]

    There is also a

    Settings : System : Nearby Sharing

    which I haven't used.

    There is bound to be a catch in there, somewhere.

    That's Windows <--> Windows. I've never used it either, but the 'How
    to improve nearly sharing speed' link on that screen (at least on
    Windows 11) points to a troubleshooting page, which in turn points to
    this page which describes what 'Nearby sharing' is and how to use it:

    'Share things with nearby devices in Windows' <https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/share-things-with-nearby-devices-in-windows-0efbfe40-e3e2-581b-13f4-1a0e9936c2d9>

    The page explains that 'Nearby sharing' can use Wi-Fi *or* Bluetooth,
    but as this Bluetooth Ambassador denies having more than one Windows
    computer, it's over to the Bluetooth Ambassador in Central Canada. But
    of course posters from South, West and North Canada can chip in.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Sun May 17 16:21:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Sun, 5/17/2026 2:19 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 5/16/2026 2:38 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

    [About 'Quick Share' on Windows and Android.]

    There is also a

    Settings : System : Nearby Sharing

    which I haven't used.

    There is bound to be a catch in there, somewhere.

    That's Windows <--> Windows. I've never used it either, but the 'How
    to improve nearly sharing speed' link on that screen (at least on
    Windows 11) points to a troubleshooting page, which in turn points to
    this page which describes what 'Nearby sharing' is and how to use it:

    'Share things with nearby devices in Windows' <https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/share-things-with-nearby-devices-in-windows-0efbfe40-e3e2-581b-13f4-1a0e9936c2d9>

    The page explains that 'Nearby sharing' can use Wi-Fi *or* Bluetooth,
    but as this Bluetooth Ambassador denies having more than one Windows computer, it's over to the Bluetooth Ambassador in Central Canada. But
    of course posters from South, West and North Canada can chip in.


    You can dig up two Bluetooth adapters, make sure the second
    one is different-enough that you can spot it in VirtualBox,
    then use VirtualBox USB Passthrough for the second Bluetooth Nano adapter :-)

    Now, you can do Bluetooth transfer tests, on a single machine,
    between the Host and a VM. The Host runs one Bluetooth adapter, the
    Guest runs the other.

    You need enough RAM, to run both OSes at the same time (whatever
    the OSes happen to be). Which isn't all that much.

    Things like this were more fun, when RAM was cheap. That's why I
    stocked up, but the RAM isn't all that fast, as these things go.

    Paul
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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@toylet.toylet@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10 on Mon May 18 18:57:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 5/16/2026 1:44 PM, John C. wrote:

    Since your device is enrolled in the paid Extended Security Updates
    (ESU) program, updates must be downloaded and installed through the
    automated Windows Update mechanism. If you turn off the update service,
    your machine will remain vulnerable to new threats. Or am I missing something? The whole point to the ESU program is to help keep W10 secure.

    This "principle" thing applies to all software of anyone, not just my
    Win 10 ESU. :)

    I think my personal Win 10 is not in a danger zone, unless daemons
    suddenly noticed me. :)
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